Religion makes Arab-Israeli conflict much tougher to solve

Tonight, during a wine tasting event, I chatted with a guy about the dismal state of national and international politics.

Opposing positions have gotten absurdly extreme. Republicans have almost nothing in common with Democrats. Israelis have almost nothing in common with Palestinians. With such little common ground, there's no room for two parties at odds with each other to negotiate a mutually acceptable deal.

We talked about how both Jewish Israelis and Muslim Palestinians have an absurd belief that the territory Israel occupied in the 1967 war is "holy" or a "promised land." Absurd, because these religious claims are based on Jewish and Muslim dogmas.

So the supposed truth that Jews are entitled to ownership of the "Holy Land" is founded on statements in a Jewish holy book. Ditto with Palestinian claims to their own holy places, though these don't seem as extreme to me as hard line Israeli faith-based political positions.

There seems to be no end to the haggling over whether, or how, Palestinian statehood should be accomplished. Tomorrow it looks like the Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, will ask the U.N. General Assembly for recognition.

That request likely won't succeed, partly because the United States has tied itself so tightly to Israel (every president lusts after Jewish votes and political contributions), it isn't possible for this country to forcefully push for the "two state" solution reasonable people recognize as the only fair way to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

My wine-tasting companion and I agreed that religion makes the problem much worse. Jews and Christians feel that the "Holy Land" has to stay in the hands of Israel, because this is what the Bible demands, or at least strongly implies.

Where, then, is the wiggle-room for negotiating land swaps with the Palestinian Authority, if fundamentalist Jewish and Christian organizations are convinced that Israel is doing God's will by holding on to land that supposedly is a divine promise to the Jews?

I don't get it when people say, "Religion is a force for good, not for harm."

Just look at Israel and Palestine. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have taken over sixty years, and coiunting, to resolve their conflicts if religious dogma wasn't making both sides feel that their position is divinely inspired.

John Lennon got it right.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace


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5 Comments

  1. Willie R

    A question that never seems to be proposed is: how have Jews managed to remain so enormously successful and yet be among the most despised of human beings? Some conspiracy theorists contend that Jews actually foster that ongoing resentment as a means of maintaining control.
    So what IS that advantage that Jews seem to have? Do you suppose that some supernatural entity has a stake in this situation, as a lot of Jews would be wont to proffer? Hmmm?

  2. Mike Williams

    Hi Willie,
    As Napoleon noted, Jews are a religion, not a race.
    The reason they were so disliked was because Christians
    could not loan money at interest, because of what Jesus
    said.
    The Pope exempted Jews. Therefore, the Jews became rich
    off other people.
    Remember, Jesus tipped over the tables of the money
    changers in the temple in an outburst.

  3. Willie R

    In a sense, the sawed-off French dictator was right – the Jews are a religion rather than a race. However, their religious leanings must stem from a genetic predisposition of some sort. They cannot help but feel the way they feel and do what they do – the compulsion is deep-rooted.
    The mapping of the human genome will eventually reveal the reason why Jews are Jews. However, we are not likely to ever find out why such particular genetic sequencing occurred.

  4. Mike Williams

    Hi Willie,
    That’s Jew’s are smarter than anyone else
    is a myth.
    For, example, Einstein did not win the Nobel
    Prize for E=MC sq.
    A French woman scientist in late 1700’s
    discovered the MC sq equation.
    The human DNA pattern was also unlocked by
    a woman scientist and stole by two men.
    They think Polish aren’t smart and
    make jokes of them.
    Some of the greatest scientists to ever live were Polish.
    I.E. Copernicus and Marie Curie.
    Einstein did little after his initial
    discoveries and was quickly surpassed
    by other scientists in his field with far
    greater insight.
    The Rothschilds have a wealth of 500 Trillion Dollars.
    But, they own most major
    media and newspapers. So, they tell you
    Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.
    Thr Rothschilds invented fractional banking
    which unleashed tremendous wealth.
    When J. P. Morgan died they found 85% of his
    assets were owned by Rothchilds.
    Today the central banks of the world are owned by Jews.
    The Jews absolutely control movie production.
    “Give me the power to print money and I
    care not whom makes the laws”.
    A. Rothschild

  5. Mike Williams

    This post is now monitored by the Federal
    Reserve Bank, no kidding.
    Here Comes FIATtackWatch: Ben “Big Brother” Bernanke Goes Watergate, Prepares To Eavesdrop On Everything Mentioning The Fed
    by Tyler Durdan, Reporter
    The Federal Reserve Bank of the United States, which in a Request for Proposals filed to companies that are Fed vendors, is requesting the creation of a “Social Listening Platform” whose function is to “gather data from various social media outlets and news sources.” It will “monitor billions of conversations and generate text analytics based on predefined criteria.” The Fed’s desired product should be able to “determine the sentiment [ED:LOL] of a speaker or writer with respect to some topic or document”… “The solution must be able to gather data from the primary social media platforms – Facebook, Twitter, Blogs, Forums and YouTube. It should also be able to aggregate data from various media outlets such as: CNN, WSJ, Factiva etc.” Most importantly, the “Listening Platform” should be able to “Handle crisis situations, Continuously monitor conversations, and Identify and reach out to key bloggers and influencers.” Said otherwise, the Fed has just entered the counterespionage era and will be monitoring everything written about it anywhere in the world. After all, why ask others to snitch for you and anger everyone as Obama found out the hard way, when you can pay others to create the supreme FIATtack WatchTM using money you yourself can print in unlimited amounts. And once the Internet is completely “transparent”, the Fed will next focus on telephone conversations, and finally will simply bug each and every otherwise “private” location in the world. Because very soon saying that “printing money is treason” will be treason, and such terrorist thoughts must be pre-crimed before they even occur.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/

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