Self-consciousness comes and goes. Like the self.

Everybody has had this sort of experience:

Walking into the house after driving home, I'm carrying the car keys in my hand. A few minutes later I'm wandering around the living room, kitchen, bathroom, and bedroom, muttering Where the hell are my damn car keys?!

I was conscious the entire time after I came in the front door. I didn't black out. I didn't suffer amnesia. At every moment I was aware of where I was. Yet at some point I became divided into a "me" who had put down the keys somewhere, and a "me" who had no idea where the keys are.

Today I listened to a Point of Inquiry podcast about consciousness and near-death experiences which featured an interview with psychologist Susan Blackmore

I've read several of Blackmore's books. I've enjoyed them. Listening to her talk with the host, Indre Viskontas, helped me to understand some points Blackmore has emphasized in her books which I didn't grasp very clearly before. 

She asked Viskontas, "Are you conscious right now?" The answer, "Yes… I think so." Blackmore said she's asked this question of many hundreds, even thousands, of people. That's the typical answer. 

Seems straightforward.

But the interesting thing is, what happens when the question is asked? What shift in consciousness occurs when we hear, "Are you conscious?" Basically, we shift from being simply conscious to being more complexly self-conscious.

Yet that word "self"…

Blackmore doesn't believe we humans have a self, or are a self. Rather, what we refer to as "self" pops in and out of existence many times a day as we shift from just doing what we're doing to being aware of "This is what I'm doing."

(For sure, I'm mangling the finer points of what Blackmore said, since I'm writing from my fallible memory. Still, I think I'm conveying her basic message.)

She said that when we're asked to recollect what we were doing/thinking a minute, five minutes, an hour, or whenever ago, we have no idea whether what we remember is close to what we actually were conscious of.

This seems to be akin to my experience after a colonoscopy, when I was given an anesthetic that I was told could produce some memory loss. I came home and did some things on my to-do list. I was awake, aware, and conscious the entire time. However, a few days later, when I called someone to order a vegetarian meal for a lunch meeting I planned to attend, the woman who answered the phone said, "You've already ordered one."

On the afternoon of my colonoscopy.

Yet I have no recollection, none at all, of doing that. This is a lot like what happens when I put my car keys down while being awake, aware, and conscious of what I'm doing, then wander around for a long time looking for them.

Blackmore said that our "self" is a transitory, ever-changing phenomenon which basically comes into existence when we look for it. It doesn't exist, though it seems real. Someone asks me, "Are you conscious?" and I say, "Yes, I am." 

At that moment there's an "I" who feels distinct from my "am." Later, that "I" can disappear and the "am" lays my car keys on a refrigerator shelf next to the milk carton that I brought home from the store. "I'm" clueless about that, because there was no I/self in existence when I did the absent-minded deed.

Near the end of the interview Blackmore said that realizing there's nobody home in the brain, so to speak, can feel scary to many people. On the other hand, this can be a liberating, even enlightening, realization. 

All there is, is a single cosmos with countless interconnected parts, she said (more or less). No independent selves. Each of us is part of the whole, not a distinct part.

The interviewer then commented that this can be reassuring to people. It gives them a sense that after they die, something of them will carry on. Blackmore responded as I intuitively thought she would, after I heard Viskontas say what struck me as a discordant observation.

That's a wrong view, Blackmore said.

This is what religions want us to believe, that there's some sort of soul which continues to exist after death. No-self doesn't imply yes-soul. Realizing there's no distinct "me" doesn't mean "I" am everything. 

How could there be, if there's no "I"?


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5 Comments

  1. I read one of Blackmore’s books, can’t recall title, something that took off on Dawkin’s idea of memes. Was really enthralled with it for a while. Any way, she seems to be one of those people who is really on the cutting edge of the modern discussion of existentialism. I totally agree with this concept that the self is a wispy, transitory construct, a thing that can be momentarily self aware or in thought and not self aware (as when working a Sudoku or doing anything) or off (as when asleep) or shut down (when in a coma). When one is in the zone, playing basketball or pingpong, one is focused on the activity to the exclusion of self. This state of being without self consciousness is generally a good state. Self consciousness is generally not so good a state, as it generates various undesireable side effects, gloating, over-confidence, egotism, or alternatively shyness, insecurity, worry. However, to be the master of one’s fate one must be self aware; one must have a manager self who writes the to-do list for the actor self.
    THe self and the soul. Nearly identical ideas. I suppose the soul is the immortal self, a god child, a dissembodied spirit. make believe stuff like that.
    Me-ness, identity, what is it? Well, the brain, stupid. A necessary part of an organism with a nervous system.
    Ergo, I think therefore I am, therefore Cartsian Duality? No! Ergo, I think therefore I am an amimal. Ha! I like that.
    I think therefore I have animalistic brain existence (ABE) aka self. A thing also possessed by a nematodes, but not a fungus and not a computer. Or so it seems to me at this moment as I type this, now that I am being self aware and no longer in the thinking zone.

  2. David C. Lane

    Loved your post Brian…. I think Gerald Edelman’s notion of first nature (just awareness) and second nature (self awareness) dovetails nicely with Blackmore here.
    Her book the Meme Machine memed me when I read it and I like your summation here.

  3. The Saints are Egotists
    Saints make a big deal out of humility.
    They suppress their vanity, like pushing
    down on a spring. After awhile, their arms
    get tired and the spring pops back up.
    Their egos are whitewashed. They use
    all types of methods to still the mind.
    Temporary effect does not last long.
    Those who realize they have no self, can
    think as fast and as much as they want.
    The mind can fly.
    Yet, they cannot be vain.
    Stilling the mind for the jnani is not
    necessary.
    Because the mind will no longer act
    to wax the false idea of a self.
    Why wax a self that doesn’t exist ?
    So, the jnani laughs at the Saints
    false humility.
    Only a Saint can be called great, or hazur,
    or sant, or maharaj. Because only the Saint
    believes he has accomplished something.
    The jnani knows he has accomplished nothing
    and is nobody for a fact.
    The Saint fights the self. The jnani laughs
    and toys with it, like a cat with a mouse.
    taken from post by zakk mar 27
    rs studies
    —————————————–

  4. George

    Mike,
    Can you just please explain the difference between a guru and a jnani again?
    thank you kindly in advance.

  5. Hi George,
    A Guru is one whom suppresses desires and the self vanity.
    The Guru has a coat of whitewash and has not changed.
    The jnani has realized the state of no self. With no
    self, the jnani cannot have vanity, or selfishness.
    The jnani is harmless to other people. Except
    if the jnani is uninformed of some fact,
    or has been tricked. The jnani is still human.
    Enlightenment means the person has no self.
    But, that does not mean the enlightened are
    always right, if they have faulty knowledge.
    They can be doing things far worse then the
    unenlightened if they have substandard
    knowledge. But, they do it by honest mistake.
    There is a state of Being above enlightenment
    which takes care of the knowledge problem,
    but I don’t want to talk about it here.

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