Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)

Below is a video of Prem Rawat being fat and dancing. Back in the day he was considered God by the same sorts of people who defend Gurinder now.
Previously Prem was “Lord of the Universe” and “Guru Maharaj Ji” etc just like all of them. Now he’s just a low key public speaker who wears a suit.
Your gurus may or may not get demoted by their respective sangats, but it’s only cause they haven’t been caught in enough drama yet. All of this stuff is a massive scam, and basically you’re a fool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veH9A_NaElA

Nice idea to make this blog useful
and make inapt trump lose in 2020
We could all write the Pope ( in Rome )
to declare each catholic voter for this planet destroyer
excommunicated
Now it said openly himself was like epstein
for the second time ( Billy Bush > 1st time )
Pence each day more loud & clear silent
7

Seems I’m not allowed to give any ‘straight talk’ back to those who deserve it. Probably still the case, oh well so much for free speech, I couldn’t care less

Georgy Porgy
Always make a copy before posting
Then U can place it here
It’s cosy here. 🙂
7

Georgy your banned? 😳I wonder what got you banned

7
Yep I wasn’t allowed on here either
Anon
I think it’s cos I gave some ‘straight talk’ to the disciples which GIBF (god in blogger form) Baba Hinesey didn’t like. So no go.

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
That’s how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied

Hey Anon, it’s been long. Did you receive any update on the question you asked to Mr. Puri regarding Faqir Chand? Thanks.

Georgy
What straight talk? Share it here. Looks like your comments are coming through.
Seeker
No I never heard back from Mr Puri. Don’t be disappointed. You be a good deciple that’s what matters.

Seeker
This is indeed a hazardous question or fact
With such initiation one gives his total avaiable love
to the Guru, . . whosoever that might be
But if God will take that seriously ….. I think Not
unless the actor has seen Him for real
That’s another ballgame
and for seeing that the actor must stop his thoughts, deactivate his mind for say few minutes or an hour
777
Promises of lifelong companionship in marriage can’t almost taken seriously, not the facts Jim but also the thoughts
but eternal binding, total integration, 100% resonancing for ever
it can’t be taken seriously without a test at least
In this respect, I can understand our exers
What I do not get is the agitation
I Brians case, . . . he one loved Charan, who Himself said :
“If you find a better Path, please warn me ”
777
So, what Puri says is not very important

CoC is my favorite sangat ever!
Radha Soami and Blogger Bloggy!

Now I’ve heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you don’t really care for music, do you?
It goes like this, the fourth, the fifth
The minor fall, the major lift
The baffled king composing “Hallelujah”
…..
I don’t even know the name
But if I did, well really, what’s it to you?
There’s a blaze of light in every word
It doesn’t matter which you heard
The holy or the broken Hallelujah
-Leonard Cohen, Hallelujah

MAGIC CARPET SPELL (C)
Now shut your eyes
So very tight,
And wish and wish
With all your might.
Upon this carpet
You will fly
Through many worlds
Within the sky.
Past thoughts of then
And now and when,
To bring you
Right back home again.
To hear once more
Inside your head,
The sweetest music
From your bed.
The carpet floats
In your mind’s eye
And lifts you up
So very high,
To hear an Angel’s
Song that’s sung,
Om Mani Padme Hum.
By Fairy Gyani 1999 (From Gyani And Friends)

Hilarious, Jessie. This video of the “Godman” Swami Nitwitnanda “disproving” Einstein’s E=MC2 is also a must-see.
http://www.nithyananda.org/video/emc2-intensity-continuity-excerpt-original-satsang#gsc.tab=0
There’s another one where he tells his disciples he’s invented a device to translate animals’ thoughts. :-/
Can you believe this bozo is considered by many to be God as well? His disciples too lay claim to profound “experiences” that they attribute to him (or should I say, “Him”).
The amazing thing is that a lot of hyper educated people fall for this stuff. It’s not just villagers. The ranks of many of these godmen movements are filled to the brim with pedigreed and professional people.
So glad to be done with this godman crap. 🙂

About Godmen
We are ALL God
in different states of amnesia
So is His Will ( Mauj )
So, in most cases, while being in doubt and not knowing,
best is to consider another individual nearer
to God ( less amnesia )
than our own state
Good Luck
777
Between ourself and Gogmen are so many steps

Correction
Gogmen must be Gggmen
777

777
Yes I suspect a rare few humans can achieve this godlike state, not the fakes but the real deals.
I wonder if other beings on other planets in other universes are closer or further away from such states and union with the Shabd?

@Curious & @Georgy
This is a great question, especially when you inject some ‘time’ into it
Under really myriads of species, even those in the third rssb Heaven (time_space_environment_4_consciousness) with IQ 999
are species without a 7th chakra
So many aliens ( Angels included ) and many of them aim about how to obtain
this 7 chakra matrix to build some flesh on it
Nobody found out up to now another method than re-incarnation
with all the limitations that it demonstrates and we see everywhere
So the answer is YES
Most galaxies have several such specimen c.q. ‘in the making,
because it is the MauJ°°
Every atom, quark, neutrino boson will ultimately re-gain the God_Status again.
Simply because there is no other place to go.
Therefore Gurinder repeats often “There is only ONE” ( The One )
YOU Curious & Georgy are THAT ONE each following the MauJ
So “in other universes” . . . good reasoning
I explained in other comments, . . God is specialized in this , ha ha,
I think HE can’t remember when HE started all this
S/HE sees the result and is addicted to that
Myriads of Saints ( LOVE Packets ) inbound per nanosecond
This Earth is a fabulous place
where the terrible ( self inflicted ) karmas from one can generate love in another
who can learn Love and what it does
Even helping an old guy crossing the street is part of this scheme
Only ONE Law in all these universes: “Don’t harm
Don’t steal . . . because you have to give it back
There is no punishment – there is only ‘giving back’
A smile (Charan’s favourite example ), an apple, a car, a house, a country
even a planet a universe
It is a super terrific scheme where death doesn’t exist and Love prevails
So many Aliens seek to participate
777
btw
you asked are there
YES, Millions on this planet . . . can’t read or write
which is such a handicap

Half a century ago. my wife signed the initiation forms
and the representative gave it personally to Charan in Beas
who said: “No, . . she’s eating eggs . . wait until she stops that”
Then He ( Lional ) said : “No MaharaJi, . . She doesn’t – I know her well”
MaharaJI : ” Just tell her!”
—-
In Holland then she said she didn’t check always, in fact never
and this refusal was a big boost to her confidence
She was initiated 3 months after myself
___
Mrs Wood ( UK representative told us:
There was a famous singer in the UK initiated and
she. bought eggs at a very big supermarket
thinking: No cock inside,. . ever
First egg she broke at home, . . there was an embryo in it
a miracle like the one of the virgin Mary?
These Masters are awesome
What they do is karma_less
The bang is the ‘redo’ outside of ‘time’ as we know it . . of the last supernova
applying a slightly tiny difference
for just one disciple
777

Speaking of Prem Rawat (Guru Maharaj ji), I have a friend who’s been his devotee for 40 + years. I was surprised to learn that Rawat still has a huge following in India and elsewhere. He’s also fabulously wealthy.
It’s sort of hard to listen to my friend speak glowingly of Rawat without offering some kind of criticism. But his devotion is obviously so deep and sincere, I refrain from saying anything. And what would it accomplish? Probably nothing except to drive a rift between us.

“””. But his devotion is obviously so deep and sincere, I refrain from saying anything. And what would it accomplish? Probably nothing except to drive a rift between us. “””
This is why authentic Masters never critisize or let do that by their disciples.
It brings us back to that part of the teachings ( Johnson even ) where is explained that we have 7 chakras and they can all be energized by a professional of the level concerned.
And the 14 year old boy , I remember, was perhaps still is a professional
on a certain level
He is an offspring of the Agra department I believe and
like Sawan did sometimes initiations UNTIL the second region ( think Ishwar )
these initiations are not for nothing and they work .
Parallel, think off dancing derwishers, think of voodoo, think of christion pentecote practises where energizing take place and often the leaders don’t know what they are applying, think of Allester Crowley
think of malafide hypnotizers . . . .
they all use partly or even effectively ( acc to karmas) methods
for letting swell the rotations and accumulations of these chakras
which are compared to the flesh our real body
but of course not really
All of our seven bodies which can function in one of the seven
time_space_environmental_”heavens” are perishable , . . so not real
the word perishable very relative because
it seems there are no words for these “circumstances”
and SoamiJI Seth Shiv Dayal stated that the RS 4th and 5th region stay forever
Still pls remember that all regions are constructs of hyper high “minds”
There is only ONE. that is Gurinder’s ONE and that is You and me and indestructible, without pain, without hate, without fear ( Granth)
My own interpretation is that
that depends on the ‘MauJ ‘ ‘s of the Jeeva’s that reign over_there
Like Brian long ago described here on this blog the idea
of not existing was terrifying for him
especially the 4th & 5th region still harvest historic personal presentations
(remember: all is and always was fake ( except Love ),)
It seems complicated but it isn’t – Everybody will follow were his love already is
SO, when such very high and exalted beings have some prerogatives UP overthere, . .
it’s not surprising your friend has ingrained remembrances
perhaps still experiences on certain chakras
which is already a nice stage
More to come but don’t tell him
Apart from the Shabd anothere grade_meter is
WHERE hi is
in meditation when thoughts stop. . Tisra Til is the minimum
but so many are on the Heart ( Ramana – Christion Saints )
777

So brian,
with the unified “They”
you have almost one hand full of co-criticasters jeevas now
Should we congrat?
7

At least I didn’t cause relatives of mine to lose billions of dollars,
Much more U lost
@S*
Yes there must be a giant bang
so big that the 2 billion in the meantime needs to grow up to half a trillion
Something like a 30 meter searising suddenly
and not ias science now sais in 2050
I m just guessing guys
I know of another bang but it is not this one
77

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Siberia – Alaska’s Methane on fire actually
Where can people hide?
Maybe Brian can put his attention where it can be good
@Please everybody ask everybody to write a letter to Pope Francis, Rome to declare all next voters for the planet destroyer totally
excommunicated
because this 666 backed gollem goes entirely against Jesus teachings
https://earther.gizmodo.com/satellite-images-show-vast-swaths-of-the-arctic-on-fire-1836500468?IR=T&fbclid=IwAR2tDW3wfge5a8HOhnzdDYMjg3N4cdk54XISZ_IrOdQqFEGC5GnKFCwyWNg
Explanation on Methane here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18b1Tp1NiVs&t=44s
777

Via Harbey
I came on that page of 2007
The words have a certain vibration but GIANT only
if they were given by a Saint
Of not, then any prayer would do
About what is stated here under
That is a very good description
of the ( say ) preparations of our mind
to become thought_less
Nice to know , it’s slightly different dependent of karmas
sanskaras and so around N° 11.
some have meetings with jeevas from their paste
Also Master is there to have an eye on the disciple
Anyway : nice to read and a whole bible we could write about
the Sounds and the unbelievable 5 words
an HOW WE BECOMR ONE with them
really tangible trade personality = we become that Sound
next see that The Master is also THAT
( whatever worldly business-“mistakes’ HE might make like Tulsi blowed the then wallstreet, and Seth blewed some banks ))
About N°15
This can be interpreted as a cristal clear Diamond
which later Opens itself
and is the light / flame of that region
When it opens, who is there? : THE MASTER
ok : this is what I read:
1. Darkness only darkness
2. yellow/orange/white strings like thing having some spikes. Like wires with bushes
3. Again darkness for sometime
4. A dot with light appeared from the inner corner of right eye
5. A dot with light appeared from the inner corner of left eye
6. Dots joined together to form a ring like thing
7. Ring is formed of light (yellow+white)
8. Ring is dark from outside and inside… like a big hollow
9. Ring’s inner hollow becoming thinner …thinner …thinner…
10. Suddenly feeling like in a flight moving very very rapidly forward and forward
11. Some formation of figures …mixture of lights
12. Feeling like going through a Valley and mountains
13. Then huge number of bigger dots of lights like as size of peanut or more bigger appeared
14. After that total darkness. This darkness was different from initial darkness. Such a stillness in that darkness.
15. Then a tiny star like dot appeared in the middle, pure white in color. Shining very very brightly.
I traveled and experienced the divine light and sound only upto this level. Only Master knows the rest.
Whatever is written and said by Masters all is TRUE…TRUE…TRUE…!!!
Thanks!
Posted by: Dheeraj Vaid | May 01, 2018 at 03:50 AM

@All
Remember Jaimal Singh was denied initiation by a high yogi°° he visited
who said :
I can’t take U as a disciple,. . U must seek a Master which can give You 5 Holy Words
These things are still happening!
When I applied for the Self Relation Fellowship back in Holland,
the Rendez-Vous with Yogananda’s representative,
who gave us my fiancé & myself an outstanding explanation about his honey bees
next offered tea and cookies
then sending us to Madame Keus from RSSB
resulting later in our initiation
That high IQ man later denied having ever met us
(see my former comments)
Now we know is was All-powerful Charan Singh MaharaJI
who offered the cookies
like the Yogi°° at Jaimal’s visit also was All-powerful Swami Ji Seth Shiv Dayal
Don’t go astray guys by their temporal worldly behaviour
They really have immense Hyper Power
500QUBIT Devices will confirm!
But even the Athist will appear from time to time
777

777 – just read your post re the methane and fires in the permafrost zones etc. Interestingly I consider you one of the more ‘out there’ commentators on this blog yet here you are reminding folks in a very practical way of the deep shit we are all heading for. A number of climate scientists are now moving into how do ‘we best prepare’ mode – people do not seem to realise that while we continue to practice business as usual several geophysical/hydrological/ecological factors could line up and the timeframe for major climate change is not in 50 years but quite possibly within 10. That’s my current take on it.
There was a magazine called ‘Resurgence’ I used to subscribe to and in the 90’s I remember an article calling for the need for us all to go on a ‘war footing’ to halt/slow down what could now be just around the corner.
The religious types will think ‘it’s all the Lord’s will, the Master has us vouchsafed’ etc, i.e. their concepts around being a saved soul etc will give comfort and an excuse NOT to do something about it, – yet here is 777 pointing it out.
From my relatively affluent Western perspective and keeping it to the physical, do people munching on their organic tofu burgers, imported basmati rice, out of season organic blueberries and coconut water realise where all this food etc comes from?
How long do folk living in their latest air conditioned 15 storey CBD apartment block think their food and water supply is going to last?
It’s time to start seriously preparing, as someone said it’s less about hope and more about courage. We need to work hard to strengthen and deepen our community networks so that we have each other’s back – physically, mentally, emotionally. We also need to rapidly learn how to grow nutrient rich low impact/footprint food and how to store and use water more effectively. Maybe that’s what all these seemingly under-utilised large agricultural lands around RSSB satsang halls are ultimately for, or perhaps not.
Such things as meditation will no doubt provide solace, but when you open your eyes again – there’s suffering mother earth looking right back, reminding us to get it together.
My opinion on the state of play and a bit of a rant, but needed to get it out. If you’re able to – get growing.

Hi Tim
You saved my “out there” space
I need a little help it seems at 82
Yes, I like and try to see the whole simple package.
The Human species is in danger – big karma clouds are forming
Today I read about 5G at 60GHz is eating O2 & H2O molecules
via electron disturbance
Might be a trojan horse – let’s see which countries forbid it ( if it is true)
But I like to refer to Osho’s question as well in this respect
He is right that no meditation can do the job to The One -Correct?
If he is right, that would be terrible because then we are trapped
Very short now I again must say that meditation +making films( inner dialogue)
is no meditation at all but contemplation
But there is a solution to stop the thinking and each kid can tell us, . . it is Love
And Gurinder and All previous Saints are right that this 5 words+guruBakhti
stuff can stop the thinking
Like a kid with his first love cannot behave otherwise
That is what must follow after the experiences above N° 1 up to N°15 . . .
It’s all different for each of us but the combination 5words/Sound/Guru
it really does produce LOve
Now, . . when you “endure”. that Love suddenly , . . you have the solution
of everything
Even for all guys/dolls around you
because when the disciple has become ONE, HE the Disciple has then all powers to bring them Home to Paradise too – even long before death ( that not will happen )
The scepsis here on this blog is not only dangerously the opposite
but these people also steal this ‘help’_possibility from their
loved ones, their spouses, their kids
Thanks Tim, . . . Brian had closed this Chapter 22 and there You came to my help
I guess he was afraid Laurel will read this chapter and ask 4 initiation
My life is full of Miracles
777

and Serendipities

Sharan,
What is the meaning ,real meaning of life?
I mean it…!!
Why is everything exactely how it is..??
Just to Be?
Posted by: s* | July 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM
me:
Love & Pleasure
a perfect system
777

Hi 777
Thanks for your response – certainly it seems like humans are teetering … and we are taking down numerous other species as we go. Mind you it all depends on your perspective. At times I find it difficult to be ‘concernedly detached’. As well as a seeker of truth I have been a bit of a fighter for the environment most of my life. One of my heroes was Arne Naess (founder of Deep Ecology). I’m also with Joanna Macy when she talks of the subconscious grief we all have and are going through at this time. Grief for the loss of all our ‘relations’ and places we have evolved with/on over thousands of years. She does not advocate that we should give up however.
Sometimes I find your comments fairly indecipherable, other times I’m sure there are pearls of wisdom in there. You are certainly consistent in your pointing out the importance of shabd and love/bhakti in all this. No doubt a reminder to all of us. Stopping thought is integral, yet in my view realising there is no thinker is a key element in the equation. I’ve been reading some stuff on Kashmir Shaivism and how they talk of realisation as being ‘human and the universe’ at the same time. I guess the bigger the picture one can get, lessens the perceived problems associated with a tiny blue blip in the immensity of it all.
I’m glad Brian still allows you to post – at least in the naughty corner.
Best wishes

These open threads indeed are the source of diversified and quite valuable reads.
Thanks Tim and 777,
for such beautiful and inspirational comments.

@Tim
So many clear points U said:
“Stopping thought is integral, yet in my view realising there is no thinker is a key element in the equation”
Of course BBJ doesn’t say this because it seems so difficult then. But it is NOT!
At The destinated moment of LOve it happens.
Attention : Love starts with helping an old crossing the street but it ‘ends’ as an all-consuming fire; Greater than BigBang, All Big BangsOvertime
OverTime it happens as a sinus-wave. Never constant. Even when you were high
in that Sinus , there is the low too.
The point is to lift the whole horizontal of excitements°° / little bi-polair_like,
slowly ( or fast ) higher
This makes Gurinder”s word s ” the Baba needed some “excitement” clear
The semantics of excitement is also in chemical reactions the combi of >2 elements resulting in a bang
Of course, Saints need such explosions once in a while to wake us up.
See what happens
Tim
I was asked to comment here for exers and newbies alike
Some textes can only be understood by initiates, . . from the beginning I said
a part of what I say is BETWEEN the words
some readers agreed, . . most said ‘no sense’
All banging brings us to the purpose of creation.
I was equally active on the climate.
See my Obama Song (2008), where I predicted the exponentially as U say: not 2100 but much earlier
In the scheme of trillions ^tr^tr. creations what happens here is minor
But it makes some realize “The One” which means
to BE HIM The Great Almighty, without hate, without fear, The Love One
777
We don’t need to win the battle !!
in creation we need excitements which bring a lot of new(s)

Do less, be happier. – Simran does all that

@Jesse. /. Osho. and all seeing Gurinder next Sunday , . . . near Oregon
About THE ONE and coming from Spain BBJ knows this
The Catholics 10th sacrament wipes out all sins (!)
It is to have perfect Love for the Father at Death
Who can have that without some training while alive
This is the RSSB package – no difference
777

777 do tell, what is it like to die? How many times have you died and remembered being born?

Interlude #1:
As temperatures exceed 38 degrees here in the UK, and Europe experiences its highest ever recorded temperatures, I am reminded of what must be one of my earliest proper “full-on” visionary experiences beyond the ego-centric and linear experiences of astral projection, and I just wanted to ponder over it, whilst we bake.
First, two articles I came across yesterday:
http://whitecrowbooks.com/books/page/greening_the_paranormal_exploring_the_ecology_of_extraordinary_experience/
https://www.metaphysicalarticles.org/2019/07/transcendental-communication-and.html
My own experience occurred when I was aged around 18 or so (precise timelines are vague to me now). I had first come across RSSB aged 12 or so, I believed it but was not following it (except becoming a veggie). Around aged 17 or 18, I started having various visionary and other experiences which brought me to start following RSSB and Gurinder completely & wholeheartedly, and leaving my previous life of, well, breaking all the other vows except eating meat.
Out of the several intense experiences I had during those first few months of changing my life, one stands out particularly clearly. It blew my mind. I had not experienced this kind of “inner experience” before, where there was no “manjit” in the narrative. There were more important matters to attend to! During this experience, I can only say, half-heartedly as I know it is impossible to communicate with words even to those willing to be open-minded and listen, that I experienced the “soul” of many different things, and how they interact. This included the “soul” of inanimate objects, concepts, archetypes etc, the singular “soul” of entire nations, races, religions. An infinite array of souls, all inter-connected.
Out of all these many “souls” I experienced, directly and immediately without the medium of concepts, the one that stands out the most to me was this “soul” of the entire earth, it was a breathtaking and direct realisation……the whole earth, as one, was just “one” soul, from a higher perspective (or wherever you wish to place this perspective, I understand “delusion” will be the default, I myself have placed it there, or at least in “who the fuck knows what that was”, indefinitely myself!). All the beings on earth were a PART of this “one” soul, like all the individual cells of our body, themselves “independent” living beings, make up “me”.
Further, I was shown, for some reason I neither understood or really cared about on a personal level, that the use of fossil fuels, oil, was like a poison to the earth, and that our continued use would result in the “soul” of the earth taking corrective measures which involved great deals of flooding and other environmental “disasters”. I literally “saw” these things all occurring, and the meaning was understood on a level that was pre-conceptual.
What is strange about this experience is, that I believe I knew next to nothing about “fossil fuel” use and it’s potential impact on the environment, and I certainly wasn’t concerned about these kind of things on a conscious level. I also did not, I believe, know about the concept of “Gaia”, and CERTAINLY couldn’t even have imagined the TYPE of experience I had, at the time.
Over the intervening decades, I have read what can only be called a common consensus between a variety of “paranormal” sources, NDErs, OBErs, mediums, channellers, visionary experiences, psychedelic users, “alien abductees” etc etc etc, over the past 3 or 4 decades. It is undeniable.
What is behind it? Is it some sort of collective delusion, manipulation by an external force…….or perhaps a “real” glimpse of what may be awaiting us?
Regardless, as I sit here in a sweltering heat I’ve never experienced before in the UK, I think I’ll place my bet on the scientists, visionaries and mystics who have been warning us for decades, and not the intellectually challenged such as Donald Trump.
But to each their own.
I have no children and I pretty much think life is a crazy out of control roller coaster with no safety bars, and that ultimately whatever will be is what was meant to be, so have no dog in this fight. I’m just observing the endless fun and games. I mean, Reality is so much fun, isn’t it? 🙂
Interlude #2:
A very strange thought struck me the other day.
It is a thought that has been hibernating in the borderlands of my consciousness and para-consciousness for what must be 30 years now.
It is a simple thought. And I don’t quite realise why the deep profundity and self-evidential truth of it never quite sank in, despite pondering over this very simple idea many times over the decades. And, furthermore, why this isn’t obvious to everyone!?
And the thought is this; Any “genuine” or “real” or “perennial” vision or version of “truth” or “universal” spiritual path, which is supposed to be a search for the “truth” of ones own ultimate nature or self must be:
1) Available to all
2) Available at any time
3) Needs no intermediary
Any version of “truth” or “spiritual path” which does not fulfil these criteria is bound by culture, language, symbol, concept……a story, in other words, not “truth” which transcends all these limitations in space and time.
It is, actually, quite absurd to believe that some intermediary, wherever they may be on the spectrum of alleged intercessors to God or Reality, from the rare genuine mystics to the innumerable fraudulent Babas in India, is needed to realise the true nature of one’s own self, consciousness, which is said by almost all metaphysical schools of thought to be a drop of the ocean, and in being so, is actually the ocean itself.
Being Reality ourselves, we seek an intercessor to Reality, and thus divorcing ourselves from our own Reality. What a strange state of affairs!
Please resume the normal programming, I need to go and have a cold shower 🙂

In fact it was the experience of Saints/Mystics which inspired them to write scriptures.
Posted by: Vinny | July 25, 2019 at 01:05 AM
Soon IBM20/50(0)QUBITS QUANTUM DEVICES WILL TELL US :
MEDITATION
777
–
PS
I WAS REALLY AMAZED, JESSE CLAIMING
THAT SIKHS MAKE NO GIRLS ANYMORE
How is that with RSSB?

777, you wrote: “My own experience occurred when I was aged around 18 or so (precise timelines are vague to me now). I had first come across RSSB aged 12 or so, I believed it but was not following it (except becoming a veggie). Around aged 17 or 18, I started having various visionary and other experiences which brought me to start following RSSB and Gurinder completely & wholeheartedly, and leaving my previous life of, well, breaking all the other vows except eating meat.”
If you’re 82, either you started following RSSB when you were 50, or the heat is messing with your recall. Must have been Charan Singh.

Amar you quoted the wrong person…its Manjits post.

Dear Manjit,
I totaly agree with you,”we do not need an intermediare in between the One and us,ourselves.
Maybe some inspired teacher,but that is different.
God is inside in all of us.
So no need for a master who ”brings us to our own self”,becasue we are that already.
Hopefully you had a fine shower to cool a bit..
Here in Holland it’s very hot too.
The last time I felt that, was in Delhi..
;0)
<3

@Marko
You hv a sharp mind with A/C on. !
@Jesse wrote:
777 do tell, what is it like to die? How many times have you died and remembered being born?
Posted by: Jesse | July 24, 2019 at 09:02 PM
What do you want, . . 3 books about some of many many former lives
after about 400 comments I was ordered to place here.
They were read by those needing it
After correctly mathematically explaining serendipities,
and the ridiculousness of 1*0=1
and about what’s God’s Desire
After
predicting the last CA earthquake exacly on Richter few hours before. ,
and the sea levels correctly 12 years ago
still for all to see (hear haha)
resulting in name-calling, especially from you
I don’t see the necessity to write these books for you
Also in all cases there is the MauJ we must follow
Every attentive compassionate human can NOT_DIE by going in the Shabd vibration which he always was
So, . . have a try yourself!
@Hi Manjit
Like exercises for babies ( if needed when not spontaneous)
consist in de-tonus the muscles
( the baby has all muscles in tension and must relax)
We, dependent of sanskaras know everything.
Next parents and others bring layers around these connaissances
and they hinder to look into that after the age of 4
with some remarkable exceptions
Also accidents @ the brain level might again bring up this knowledge
like is the case with Edgar Casey
and you had that spontaneously because it was in your karmas
So the “must”s. . . ; I would re-think that
1) Available to all
2) Available at any time
3) Needs no intermediary
You told your story from the age of 12 on and also I read visitors saying
shame Manjit isn’t present anymore, because he has a correct and insight-ing
interpretation of the Path
“….the whole earth, as one, was just “one” soul, from a higher ” YOU WROTE AND YOU EXPERIENCED
Yes : that one-ness can be ‘done’ on so many levels
according to yr past: humankind, animals, trees, but yes the entire earth, the Sun,
the Galaxy etc
and then we did not even go on step 2 of this fantastic Path.
Great preparation, especially for the strange fairy tales in Sar Bachan!
See : “The boy who saw true” ……. while going with the train here in Provence
each 50 Miles really communicating with the Deva of the next hill ( nice read)
You came here in my naughty corner .during the heat
I guess you are in the UK
People here ( Rivièra) say ( in the Paris journals )
“What are they complaining about
We call that Summer”. 🙂
Friends in Delhi . . and. I greet them . . . had 47° felt like 52° C.
Hope you had a cool shower and heard the Anahabad Shabd at the same time
That is delicious – to listen at any time – even while robbing a bank
( Seth Shiv’s Dayal hobby )
Agai so nice to read U
777 (82)

Aaahh, thanks Marko! Lol, usually the only one posting here is 777.
My apologies to 777, my bad.

@S*
You : “I’m a professional dancer MaharaJI”
Charan : “I dance like a bear!”
Be glad HE is between You and a supernova that would burn U to asses
if ther was a nanogram of proud about dancing
This is exactly the Need of One who can bear the Heat of that Kitchen
and the need of collossal LOVE without ego
777

Amar eh no big deal we all do sometimes miss something..peace

@Amar
We are here by Brian s grace
No problem
You proved to be good in Math
I was initiated by Charan Hazur MaharaJi in 1966
7

for the third time – first time was in 1874 by Seth Shiv Dayal Soami Ji MahaJI
but all that is in several comments already
One life to go

I agree with none of it, but that was a great manjit comment. At least a big portion of it.
Some credit has to be given to specific claims of experience. If you’ve experienced something, talk about it if you want. If you think something “must be” true, as manjit later did, then spare us. Nothing needs to match any concept you’ve ever heard about, and no credence needs to be given to any metaphysicians or mystics concepts no matter how often they agree.
The world is a giant plate of infinitely self replicating spaghetti noddles. Prove me wrong.

Watched this on Netflix last night, highly recommend, this is the trailer…
The Great Hack / Official Trailer / Netflix
“They took your data. Then they took control. The Great Hack uncovers the dark world of data exploitation through the compelling personal journeys of players on different sides of the explosive Cambridge Analytica/Facebook data scandal. In select theatres and on Netflix July 24.”
“Collecting data isn’t the problem. Using data for things like influencing elections is the problem”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX8GxLP1FHo

dear Manjit, great post, enjoyed reading it.
the interlude 2, I don’t agree (I know it doesn’t matter – but for the sake)
I know talking the books is different and what ridiculously awesome stuff you explained of experiencing in 1) is a different game altogether.
however, I totally got lost on assuming the reason what made you swing away from rssb/Babaji when you yourself explained you experienced galaxies/universe going into HIM and getting out from HIM.
but anyway, that is your personal stand – I am curious to know what happened.
So coming back to the point 2), what you said makes sense in a way, but only it will make most sense when you again experience it yourself and then explain that.
And why I don’t believe it yet, is also theoretical only,
however, if we proceed with the Masters literature – almost all of the foregone masters have explained that it is impossible for a soul to ascend from the darkness of Mahasunn – as the darkness eats up all the light of the soul and she is clueless where to move – as Soami Ji explained – 100s of megas of zillions of kms of depth, height and width of darkness – the soul doesn’t get a way to proceed anywhere as HE HIMSELF was trapped there for good enough time and ascended by the grace of the Masters.
Again just a theory. Would love if you’d prove it wrong by ascending through that realm on your own. I think that will become the most remarkable history of the universe as till date nobody has claimed doing that alone.
dear 777,
yeah unfortunately, Delhi has new friend cities in the world now with the same grades of temperature 🙂
I wish there were no friends with such parameters,
I wish cool wind and peaceful environment to every city and every being 😀

Hi 777,
Do not talk wrongly about the very sweet conversation I had with my dearest Guru.
It was sweet and loving <3
..because you did that several times now.
Please stop doing that.
Thanks in advance..
s*

@One
Again just a theory.
Is not a theory – I was there before I ever heard of RSSB
I did Pranayama ( Ramacharaka )
It’s not only black – It’s terrifying – One is glued down – Cannot move an inch
Charan took the black glue away 1000%
I told it here years ago
I just Try to prevent it for those advertising the Alone-Win
S
Consider it done without excusing myself. – Perhaps later!
777
PS
However, there still is this other way described in
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oah/index.htm
It is. in E-book somewhere but I couldn’t find now
It’s about the situatio of trillions of Sould who thought
the advaita way but having to much ego for acceptinh help
It is the way of realizing Brahm by Ascese ( he hasn’t such void-protection,
therefore he cannot consent in the Way of the Housefather ), then wait until he unifies with
Par-Brahm
Next with all these creations ascend when the night is over
That must occur by the great Compassion showered by a Saint

777
Little confused you say this is your 3rd life initiated but in the previous comment you talk about before you heard of RSsb. So even though you were initiated into sant Mat you did pranayama?

@ 777
None of these lords have helped me. They are selfish in life and I don’t expect anything from them.
They are antichrist nothing more playing games. Is God that sadist that he does this to his children???
I do not believe in the Lord anymore as much as he believes in me. Fame news.

@Anon
Each birth the baby forgets the former ones
alse when U were initiated
I told a lot during the 6 years here
This black experience was necessary for me I guess
To be happy finding a Holy One again
@Arjuna,
It’s YOU, the doer
4 what happens in your life
in forgetfullness
777
without this amnesia we couldn’t stand

777 pranayama is not black it IS lifesaving.

@Marko
What I said is a declaration about the greatness of
Pranayama, able to bring one stanta-pede further than Para Brahm’s regions
as One said MahaSunna
But it can’t save us from That Void, a void of Non-Existence
Please see this in the frame of the Radha Soami teachings
for those aiming the eternal region
As One said according to Sar Bachan the Void is unending times vaster than
all that exists which are a tiny insect compared
I should place all these words between quotes because
like Seth Shiv and Paulus say . . . we have no words for the greatness of Sat Purush
So Pranayama is one of the best exercises to do in our realm
but not for ‘astronauts’
the reason at the third Eye-level we must forget the breath
It’s logic that satsangis , concentrating on the breath chakra ( 5 )
sometimes even on the Heart (4) (Ramana)
can’t reach above physical, astral and causal realms
Charan MaharaJI did some pranayama exercises for Health too
but separate from His Meditations
777

dear 777,
yes, I have read your accounts, many times.
and read that one too. it’s simply amazing.
I am curious and excited for that day when by HIS grace,
I will go through these experiences and specially about meeting HIM inside.
this is one of the most loving and beautiful aim of life,
apart from other worldly roller coasters 😀

arjuna, if you have no inner experiences of the divine, whatever you know is based upon believing what others have said and written.
You have no means to control what is said and written nor do you have any certainty about the correctness of what you believe.
Whether the divine exists or not cannot be controlled.
It exists in the description of the experiences of those who are labeled mystics, saints etc.
Whether that description is correct or not nobody knows.
People have these experiences like people have dreams.
The difference is in the experience of grade of reality.
Yes, I do believe that the prophet had visions and that in those visions the angel Gabriel appeared and that the same ordered him to write a book.
Yes I do believe that it must be almost impossible to withstand the impact of such an experience but that is by itself in no way an guarantee that there does exists such an angel or even an god that did send him. After all, that god could have placed the same experience in the rest of humanity or told them in one way or another that they had to listen to the prophet. So what we have is just the HEAR-SAY of the prophet
And that is how it is with all mystics, prophets, saints … individual human beings having an inner experience and the rest that BELIEVED WHAT WAS SAID … HEAR-SAY. Believing hoping that they too could have the same experience of something that was shown to be had in such an experience.
Happy are those, simple of heart, who can believe these tales of the divine as that will make their journey through life easier to digest.
Analyzing is of no use to benefit from these tales, let alone trying to prove or disprove them and thinking that any living human being can give and definitive answer or that the answer can be found in his behaviour.
Don’t look outside, ask yourself what it is that you want and see to it.
You are alive, that is all … it is a gift … not that this means there is a giver, it just means that you have no knowledge about how to create that aliveness. Having it for free, use it as you deem fit. It is up to you how you spend your life, your time, your consciousness, your love etc and reap the consequences thereof.
Have some coffee or tea and enjoy it.

@jesse
Though I would appreciate if you could fund my wrongness. Please send bitcoin.
Posted by: Jesse | July 27, 2019 at 10:20 AM
-asking coins without a wallet
-asking about death without trying
-don’t worry – stuff° happens – you are doing that
77

@ UM
Thank you. Think there may have been a reason why you had to write that. It was beautiful.

Arjuna, Whatever people say or write is in relation to others so what is said depends for a part on who listens or reads. One could say that the listener or reader is fishing in the pond of the speaker or writer.
So many things maybe all things said and written cannot be generalized as statements.
Against this background, you wanted somebody to write these words…. and so it happened
Watch how you speak to different people about the same subject and then you will see the difference and how that difference is not related to you but to the listener. Listener are co-responsible for the outcome of what is said.
Performing artists not that … have it your way Arjuna … but … you cannot change yourself, nor anything or anybody else. The way is found through adaptation!

@UM wrote
@Arjuna liked it a lot
“You are alive, that is all … it is a gift … not that this means there is a giver”
Me: YOU are the givers
Apart from the inside_looking_hearing which is so sweet , there is a lot at the outside too , so much more :
We can go two ways now!
F.I.
Predicting Power for the mathematical inclined under us
1*0=1. Please refrain cause a higher power is acknowledged already long ago
Imagine What will the 500 Qubit devices bring ?
They report a state fidelity of 0.5165 ± 0.0036 for an 18-qubit GHZ state, indicating multipartite entanglement across all 18 qubits.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.05720.pdf
777

@UN wrote
After all, that god could have placed the same experience in the rest of humanity or told them in one way or another that they had to listen to the prophet.
Create a few billion forced lover clones , . . . so clever god
He might have done that but it didn’t work
We might be the 7trillion_th essay
WEEEE. repeat WE did
777

Ain’t no mountain High enough
How SatGurus think. : 02:52
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9wsZzVS-X0
777

Nice Girl with Sounds from Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e15Bg-tBSt0
_7_

“During the preparation of this manuscript, we became aware of recent experiments demonstrating 18-qubit multipartite GHZ entanglement in a tunable-frequency transom device[40] and 20-qubit multipartite GHZ entanglement in a Rydberg atoms array” Wei et al 2019 p. 5.
Dear 777 – thanks for the link to the above paper – I managed to recognise words such as ‘we, of, the, in’ etc – and came to the conclusion that it may be a few qubits above my pay grade.
I’ll hazard a guess and say it’s something about how computers will confirm how everything is entangled at the sub atomic level and everything affects everything else.
“20-qubit multipartite GHZ entanglement in a Rydberg atoms array = I think therefore I am”.
(translated from the Chinese).
Check out https://youtu.be/JPm46Qgyn24. 🙂

Hi Tim
OK, next chapter in Chinese mandarin is promised
F T T B you can always fall back on my songs above in EQ
Meditation is way easier than these tiny 18 Qubit machines chessboards
Lets wait for the bigger models on the moon in a few years –
So much money is actually
put in – and the low temperature there will be so helpful
maybe next month, all will know if we will exist as n independent song
or we are all the same song
I’m so happy you subscribed
Have a great evening
77

I have finally come to the unarguable realisation that Sri Huzur Maharaj Pooran Sant Sat Satguru Baba Gurinder Singh Ji Maharaj is indeed the greatest ever Satguru to have ever walked on this earth (and probably all other earths too).
This realisation just dawned on me right this instant.
Gurinder managed to accumulate over half a billion dollars whilst simultaneously being the Sole Saviour of Souls in the entire multi-verse (it’s huuuuuge out there!! :), and the direct Satguru over the biggest sangat of any previous Satguru in our earth’s history!!
Now, whilst that may seem unimpressive for a Godman with command over all creation, a previous, obviously “lesser” guru, also tried his hand at business:
“As a young man working as a storeman, Guru Nanak Dev Ji, the first Guru, was counting out the goods ordered by customers. When he got to 13 and said ‘Tera’” he felt he was saying to the Creator that “This is yours” and then couldn’t move onto 14 as everything he touched was also made by the Creator. In this spiritual connection to the Creator, Nanak kept repeating “Tera” and handing out more and more provisions. The customers were getting a great deal of food for free!!
The store owner (not there at the time) heard of this and sent the town police to stop Nanak. When questioned, Nanak explained his actions and was ordered to make up the owners loss from his own wages. However when the stores were checked, there was no shortfall, everything was exactly as it should have been. The Creator saved the honour of his servant.”
https://www.everythings13.org/about/
http://www.discoversikhism.com/sikh_gurus/guru_nanak_13.html
I think this is incontrovertible proof Gurinder is the Greatest Guru Ever?

Hi Sita – I hope all is well with you 🙂 🙂
Yes! I agree with what you write! What can any search be but a search for the truth of our own “self”, the one who is “seeking”? It cannot be anything else!
Hi 777 – thanks for your kind comments Sir!
I’m currently reading this book, and thought of you:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1733995706
It is full of hundreds of “serendepities”, or synchronicity, coincidences etc. I’m fascinated by these stories – much like your own – as I’ve experienced mind-blowing ones on literally uncountable occassions, and David Lane’s ideological, post hoc ergo propter hoc “explaining away” by invoking Littlewood’s law (the laws of large numbers, basically) stands as an absurdly implausible & desperate explanation for them, as I’m sure you’d agree about your own experiences.
Anyway, I enjoyed this book because the author takes pains to demonstrate these experiences are never proof or evidence of any particular religion, belief or ideology.
I suspect they reveal more about the inter-connected nature of mind & reality, rather than interpreting their content literally.
There I think we may disagree! 🙂
Cheers 777!

Some thoughts on helpful methodologies around Sant Mat meditation practice :
For me there are several methods that help move meditation along and place me in the eye center comfortably and sustainably.
1. A short prayer to start that begins with asking myself some questions, and answering.. Why am I here? Who am I? What am I? What is my goal? How can I achieve it? What are the vows I took? Each is a loving question, and the answer, stated internally, an acknowledgment of deeply held belief, faith and personal truth.
2.If concentration is difficult I can ask myself why? Is there any change in habit, event or experience that may have caused this? What can I do differently starting today?
3. Twenty rounds of simran, visualizing each round and the count, like beads on a rosary.. Or until I’m relaxed and free of distracting thoughts….
This is often where I found myself falling asleep, but if I can catch myself, then….
4. Handing every thought to Master with each word of Simran, as a language of love, gazing into His eyes… Appealing to Master, simply giving Him everything, as each thought arises, packaged in the language of Simran.. As though it is my poetry to God.
Sometimes I can just start at 4. or 5….depending upon how calm my life is at the time.
5. Visualizing Master’s Visage until His Shabd form appears…
6. Entering inside the Simran at the eye center, living inside the Simran with Master, calm, happy, wide awake.
6. Listening to Shabd.. Listening intently as the sounds deepen, and the bell sound emerges as I watch the inner flood of light, and then the stars.
7. Focusing on the bell as I feel I’m rising up… Ignoring the sensation of being pulled up and staying inside the ecstacy of the Bell, Master’s true form.
4a. Seeing, noting and understanding the natural cycle time of thoughts, specifically the cycle of distracting thoughts and then Master… The cycle is really a spiral, and moves into focus in its own pace if we don’t disturb it, but simply observe it. Letting the cycle move in its pace.
4b. Take note of the cycle time, the roulette wheel of thoughts that returns to Master naturally, if we are not compelled by any particular thought, but which also moves from Master away into the cycle again, to the rhythm of Simran /Dyan, the waltz with Master. The cycle time is a measure of our progress, but that presumes we have enough calmness and non-reactiveness to let the cycle move in its own natural pace.
4c. When we are taken out of that gentle rhythm by strong distraction, so that we cannot sit still, or sitting still, we are working on worldly work for extended periods unaware, basically this is a stage that precedes 4. a. And a measure for our level of connection to Shabd, and our concentration. It is a stage of our meditation, When we can’t stay in that cycle, now the failure rate, or our slippage rate, we can record dispassionately as a good scientist, in our daily Journaling. What are the conditions of our life? The level of peace we have built, and the next steps? There is a cycle time even to our falls, their periodicity. We stopped meditating in earnest for six years. Then returned for three, fell, then we are back at it again and hold on for two before we fall again… And now for the last fifteen we have kept going further without a fall.
It is a life’s work, but the result is we are more compassionate with others, and ourselves. The only purpose of compassion is to help everyone, including ourselves, take the next step.
4d. Reducing the failure / slippage rate, that is also our work outside of meditation to build the atmosphere for it, not to allow events to make so strong an impression. And to address issues from our own conscience that we may have not seen, or been too emotional to acknowledge. Things that are our responsibility, but which were too big or emotional for us to deal with before.
This is like riding a ten speed bike where the chain keeps slipping back to the third gear when we are trying to move to the fourth or fifth gear. The shifter, the gears, possibly even the frame needs to be adjusted, lubricated, or possibly rebuilt or replaced. That’s part of the process of building a life on a foundation of good will and good conscience. Devotion to the Path also helps give us strength to deal with that step by step. And as we do, we have more to give, to help others.
So, we make efforts to live a simpler, calmer, more helpful life as part of our daily, worldly work. And to build the inner impression of meditation through our Simran, Dyan and Bhajan that we can deepen on those days where thoughts are not so distraught and we have better, more relaxed concentration and the mind enters the cycle, returning to Master and then cycling through other thoughts in a natural rhythm.
4e. Sometimes we are aware that our thoughts have taken us away by strong daily impressions. Then, we can build the habit to return to stages 1, 2, or 3 above. Even if we can’t get past those, time spent applying ourselves to whatever stage we find ourself is building the impression that will serve as the platform, in time, for further progress. It can take years, but we see the path is built into us. We realize moving through it that the stages are real, and each unfolds all on its own as we keep making the effort to move forward, that the process is pleasant, and it changes our outlook so that as we do the work, we are also functioning better.
Like any good road, we don’t actually need a map. The road shows us where it is going just by our looking, at least a short distance ahead, and rightly, that should be our focus. Because it is part of us, it is alive, conscious and ever wishing to help us move further along, even when it appears to be throwing up barriers. It is actually just that we are arriving at rough patches that were always there within. Sometimes everyone around us saw what we did not. And now we must address that internally in order to move forward, and the path, our meditation, brings that exact issue before us at the exact time we need to address it in order to progress. That can throw us off, but our persistence in time grinds boulders into pavement.
You must walk the next mile and several others to get even to the base camp. But the path itself is fairly obvious once you start looking at where you are internally, and with respect to the meditation.
Then you fly over the very road in seconds it took decades to traverse, Step by step. But you have earned every step… Though of course it was already there, and Life brought you here, and gave you the strength and will to proceed, even through the rough years, the fallen years…. It’s just cycle time, reducing cycle time.

Hi Spence, nice write up.
Manjit, how do you equate Nanak giving away grain for free, and GSD accumulating (your words) half a billion dollars? At least in Nanak’s defense, he was giving it away. What is GSD’s defense? Giving it to his family?
I was hoping you were being sarcastic in that comment, but you never know, right?

Jesus I couldn’t read all that amount of verbiage and try comprehend it as meaningful even if you paid me.
Can you not condense it into one (or maybe 2) lines of concise explanation and advice for simpler application?
Instead of 1a, b, c, d, : 2 a, b, c, d:
3 a, b, c, d, : 4 a, b, c, d.
And so forth and so on?

@Manjit said
I think this is incontrovertible proof Gurinder is the Greatest Guru Ever?
I just started reading after a day absence
but couldnt help to admit rapidly
I saw the association bztween Nanak’s 13
and my 5 Tera external harddrive
It Hardened my thoughts about where the money is and again
I find no better answer than changing it in the equivalent
of the Indian Gross Production : a remarkable 3 Trillion
to use for spiritual ends when the hard times come
Kilo=10 ; Mega=1000K ; Giga= 1000G and Tera=1000G. Trillion is in sight!
A colossal Path we have at our hands, . . including me an ex murderer
I will wait with the Oneness because I need 2 to dance the Tango – OMG
I love HIM so much
PS
All real SatGurus have the same Powers and are the Greatest EVER -WOW

Manjit wrote :
and David Lane’s ideological, post hoc ergo propter hoc “explaining away” by invoking Littlewood’s law (the laws of large numbers, basically) stands as an absurdly implausible & desperate explanation for them, as I’m sure you’d agree about your own experiences.
me:
Wow -Yes- Top – Wauw – So Good – So ridiculous – calling that science – OMG
and on top
they don’t react on math arguments and Actuarial arguments!
When they are at the end of non-arguments , they never admit
which ( i guess ) is non-professional, non teacher behaviour
Like Your Serendipities The Curch would be so happy to have just one
I don’ remember which miracle they used for the last sanctifications
and we (RSSB). have them DAILY , each of them surpassing giantly the walking on water
Take F I only my “minor” one
thinking here writing on this blog : “nice answer I wrote!”
same second the TV on tilt with the text “You are just a messenger, nothing more!”
I made photograph !
The humour of it . . . . and the truth
Brian didn’ want the photo , that’s when I started calling ‘gollem’
777
to be continued
777

#WTF. Spence
I like it specially N° 7. -Wow. and Congrats a lot
NOW. aplly the Peace of it
777

Human Beings and other 7 Chakra_Matrix Entities never die.
But only compassionadas°° can become aware of that FACT during the lifetime of their flesh cells, glued on that matrix
Then there is a sweet tiny musical vibration, a tone above your Third Eye – . . at the start SO Tiny that you must really seek a quiet place to hear.
In fact . . it is your Soul that long time was without our attention
Just try it daily
Next you become really aware that YOU ARE THAT MUSIC which will never end
°° Compassion is the human form of LOVE
It starts with saving a mouse on the street
but become more powerful than the entire Galaxy, many Galaxies
<3

@Osho
One ness comes from which of our Chakras is overwhelmingly energized
As for Rssb Meditation the advise is to trigger the 7th Chakra asap and amap.
via the PowerPackage received from the Custodian
But many trigger a dinner, 3rd Chakra automatically even when only really needed when one is hungry,
Or the 4th Heart Chakra , when following advaita as learned by Ramana
and of course most emotions
A nice example is this fine Lady,
almost a dancing Derwish of the 4th Chakra
https://www.facebook.com/CassandraFoxDance/videos/2899246893549343/
I consider very pure and not really triggering the Second chakra
one can also use the heart to admire her
One can even trigger the 6th to admire her , next the 7th when U see God in her
which means do a prayer 4Cassandra
I write all this to let know what Charan MaharaJI ment with:
You will go (at death) where your Heart (already) is
777

Amar wrote: “Manjit, how do you equate Nanak giving away grain for free, and GSD accumulating (your words) half a billion dollars? At least in Nanak’s defense, he was giving it away. What is GSD’s defense? Giving it to his family?
I was hoping you were being sarcastic in that comment, but you never know, right?”
Hey Amar!
It’s been a long while since I’ve been reading (almost 25 years) and participating (20 years?) in these discussions about the Radhasoami faith & phenomena online. There is very little said that hasn’t already been said. I have come to realise that all our individual opinions & stances are as fleeting as phantasmagoria. Who cares if I say Gurinder is the greatest guru ever, or he is fraudulent criminal? The essence of what I was communicating was in embedding a well known story from someone considered to be one of the founding fathers of Radhasoami dogma into the context of Gurinder’s current situation. Interpret that how you will, who cares about my opinion!!
Religious believers in Gurinder may find some kind of vindication for his apparently greedy behaviour from it, who knows? Others, perhaps more independently minded, may see in Nanak’s behaviour and entire life the complete anti-thesis to what Gurinder stands for & his life? The similarities may seem that they were both were failures in business. The difference may be in how & why they got there. I have been questioning online for years Gurinder’s accumulation of wealth and how it fits in with RS theology (hint; it doesn’t!), the fact that there has NEVER been a “Sant Mat” guru pre-RS who was even remotely well off, let alone obscenely rich etc. But, it seems most satsangis never saw anything contradictory or questionable about it (I was having this very discussion with Spence just before the scandals broke…..he was defending his obscene wealth!! :). Some seem to have been affected more by his LOSING that money.
I do not think Nanak’s failure in business was due to excessive greed, myself, but each to their own level of striving for “truth” and integrity and discernment etc……;)
When it comes to the RSSB lineage, the facts, the “truth”, is this; we have absolutely no reason, no reason whatsoever, to consider Gurinder Singh to be a mystic of ANY order, let alone the Supreme Perfect Master of the entire universe. He has NO history of being a genuine seeker or mystic at any point in his entire life, other than the fact he is related to & chosen by his predecessor. A predecessor who, himself (Charan), admitted he had no spiritual knowledge, claimed to be merely an “idol” (usually only found in religions?), hardly meditated etc……but he looked very nice, was very sweet (to westerners especially, obvs), very “humble” etc (qualities often found in your neighbourhood store clerk, but utterly ignored because s/he has no turban, no gaddhi, and no great grandfather who was the founder of a religion!).
These are the facts, as we know them, about Gurinder. We also know there are literally thousands of similar guru based religions and groups all over Asia. We also know Gurinder has been heavily implicated in a display of extreme greed & almost certain fraudulent behaviour.
There is no reason to suspect Gurinder is a “Pooran Sant Satguru” beyond religious assumptions, yet plenty, plenty to suggest he isn’t. Yet, believers will still believe. We each gravitate to that level of genuine seeking and integrity we are destined for, what can any of us do?
Yes, it is clearly a religion. I came to RS & Gurinder in the 1990s aged 12 via “seeking”, nobody in my family or who we knew was connected to RS. I was a seeker for years before that, and after I left too. My entire relationship, connection, interest etc in RS is as a seeker of “truth”, the ultimate nature of reality and consciousness, and, as I got older, having a good time doing it. All my comments over the years have only been addressed to those similar to myself as a young un; a seeker and lover of truth and the mysteries of consciousness.
But I feel like I’ve been sweeping up, for a long while.
There are NO genuine seekers, anymore, in this religion 🙂
Everybody connected to RS is a) over 55 or b) related to a family member who is initiated, and over 55! In other words, it remains only as a religion, not something young independent seekers are coming to – or if they do, stay their long for.
I exaggerate very slightly……I believe my age – 41 – is the cut off age for genuine seekers into the mystery of reality and consciousness ever coming through the path of Radhasoamis. I’m bringing up the rear, sounding the horn “there’s nothing more to see here”.
I’m not talking to those in their late 50s, 60s and 70s who are now religiously intertwined with this faith, and have lost all energy for the “search” and are content with their faith that liberation will occur after death or some such belief. I’m not even talking to those who, presumably like yourself (?) are younger but connected to the RS religion through family connections and are coming to realise their family religion wasn’t “truth” after all (it’s not a new thing brother :).
I’m talking to a vanishing small, almost certainly non existent audience 🙂
If anyone who believes in RS managed to read some or all of the above, they may contend I don’t know what I’m talking about as I do not understand the variety of mystical experiences, miracles, synchronicityetc that they experience. Well, yes I do, which leads me onto 777….
Hi 777! Thanks for your comments!
You write: “Like Your Serendipities The Curch would be so happy to have just one
I don’ remember which miracle they used for the last sanctifications
and we (RSSB). have them DAILY”
Sorry 777, but I have to most strongly disagree with this sentiment!! I find this to be a comment based on naivety and ignorance of the facts.
In the book I referenced to which you replied, “Coincidences..”, there are NUMEROUS anecdotes which appear to “prove” the truth of Catholicism, anecdotes which are NO LESS mind-blowing than ANY of yours, I have to say!
Here is a link to a fantastic book about recent “miraculous” occurrences in the Catholic Faith at Medjurgoje:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Miracle-Detective-Investigative-Investigates-Discovers/dp/0802141951
There is far more actual scientific evidence to support the claims something “paranormal” is going on here than there EVER has been ANY scientific evidence about the claims of RS and RS meditation.
How about the miracles surrounding Christians such as Richard Rolle (who, btw, encountered shabd and the inner fire of kundalini through his Christian contemplative practices, as detailed here:
https://archive.org/stream/thefireofloveand00rolluoft/thefireofloveand00rolluoft_djvu.txt
(Thanks to Glenn for finding the link)
Or the miracles surrounding St Josepth of Copertino?:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Man-Who-Could-Fly-Levitation/dp/1442256729
Etc etc, the list is endless and always growing!
Yes, all these experiences of inner bliss, visions, miracles, synchronicity etc etc happen to those of all faiths and non faiths, of all gurus, scumbag or saint.
It is obvious.
Something else is happening, but we have been caught in the weeds of the ego-centric narrative.
Imo of course.

manjit, nice comments, following along the lines of what you wrote regarding GSD and the feelings behind the pulling back from the religion of RSSB. By the way, I’m a good 6 years older than the 41 you mentioned…

Amar: “By the way, I’m a good 6 years older than the 41 you mentioned…”
I know, I meant younger than later 500 and over!
I’ve enjoyed reading many of your comments!
Cheers

Hi Manjit
This is a relativily peaceful part of Brians blog, due
to the fact that many (Osho said it) don’t know where to click to find the free chapters
Appreciated your work and typing
Will go later deeper into the miracles
Stuff, events should only be called a miracle
if hardware proof remains ( like my photo of the TV
like my tangent paper copy of the French journal “Nice-Matin”. ( the town Nice @Riviera )
and so forth
Applying that standard, there are way less
But very impressive f. i. Charan in my life at 4 occasions taking/copying the body the molecules
of another person to offer us cookies, drinking tea, showing the hives and the bees
like it was ( we read ) in the old times ( walking on water stuff )
OK, see u later
777

@Manjit
……but if you’re an RS satsangi……DON’T EAT THE EGG, YOU’RE FUCKED IF YOU DO
Posted by: manjit | August 01, 2019 at 05:58 AM
Eggs give no karma.
It’s a toial animal injection
It is just that our meditation can’t succeed, . . . ONLY THAT is the reason
Monks know that since always
Drill Sergeants know it too , hence they give on Friday when the guys go for the weekend fun
777

Hey 777! 🙂
I posted this a few days back, but it was swallowed up by the spam filter monster (you know it well, I presume :).
You wrote earlier in this thread:
“@Marko
What I said is a declaration about the greatness of
Pranayama, able to bring one stanta-pede further than Para Brahm’s regions
as One said MahaSunna
But it can’t save us from That Void, a void of Non-Existence
Please see this in the frame of the Radha Soami teachings
for those aiming the eternal region”
To which I posted these quotes about “pranayama” from Nanak, Kabir, several other Granth Sahib authors, and assorted other contemporaries (and predecessors from Kasmhiri SHaivism). Enjoy 🙂
“The snake-like coil is now pierced through & through and I have
dauntlessly met my Lord, the King…
…..Merged in the Full-pervading Lord when I locked the breath
within, *then* (my emphasis, manjit) the celestial strain
spontaneously began to resound.”
Kabir, page 972 SGGS
“If her mind pearl, like an ornament, be weaved into the thread of
breath, and the bride puts on the decoration of compassion on her
person, then the Beloved enjoys his sweetheart”
Guru Nanak, page 359 SGGS
“The right & left nostrils are the guards of this body lyre
(harp…manjit), and this lyre synchronises a wonderful melody”
Guru Nanak, page 907 SGGS
“Put thou thy life-breath in the right channel and establish good
relation with thy Lord
In this way thy fish-like mind shall be held and thy soul-swan shall
fly not away from the Lord and thy body-wall shall not perish in
vain.”
Guru Nanak, page 991 SGGS
“Says Nanak, if in the heart of his heart man contemplates his Lord,
then with every breath of his, he quaffs nectar”
Guru Nanak, page 992 SGGS
“He then mounts his breath to the 16 petalled sky and there flutters
his wings in glee.
In the profound trance a tree of God becomes manifest and it dries
up the water of desire from the body-ground”
Kabir, page 970 SGGS
“The left wind-pipe, the right wind-pipe and the central one, these
3 abide in one place”
Sant Beni, page 974 SGGS
“The breath is drawn in by the left nostril, it is retained within
Sukhmana & is breathed out by thhe right nostril, uttering 16 times
the Lord’s name”
Jaidev, page 1106 SGGS
“I have obtained the 10th gate as a distilling fire and the channels
of the Ida and Pingala (the left & right breath channnels according
to tantra….manjit) are the funnels to suck in and spit out, and
mind as a golden vat.
In that vat, the extremely pure stream of Name Nectar trickles.
Like this I have distilled the essence of essences.
An incomparable thing has happened, my breath I have made the wine-
cup.”
Kabir, page 92 SGGS
“By turning my breath inwards, I have pierced the six body chakras
and my mind (surat) got enamoured of the Lord.”
Kabir, page 333 SGGS
“O brute of brawling and uncultured intellect, reversing thy breath
from the world, turn it thou towards thy God.
Intoxicate thou thy mind with the ambrosial stream that trickles
from the furnace of the 10th gate”
Kabir, page 1123 SGGS
“Associated with the saints, their kundalini is opened and
through the supreme Guru, they enjoy the Lord of supreme bliss.”
Guru Ram Das, Granth Sahib, page 1402 (the only time I am aware of in
the Granth Sahib the work ‘kundalini’ is explicitly mentioned in
Gurmukhi?)
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Hatha Yoga Pradipika
“64. I will describe now the practice of anahata nada, as propounded
by Goraksa Natha, for the benefit of those who are unable to
understand the principles of knowledge — a method, which is liked by
the ignorant also.
65. Adinatha propounded 1 1/4 crore methods of trance, and they are
all extant. Of these, the hearing of the anahata nada is the only
one, the chief, in my opinion.
66. Sitting with Mukta âsana and with the Sambhavi Mudra, the Yogi
should hear the sound inside his right ear, with collected mind.
67. The ears, the eyes, the nose, and the mouth should be closed and
then the clear sound is heard in the passage of the Susumna which has
been cleansed of all its impurities.
68. In all the Yogas, there are four states: (1) arambha or the
preliminary, (2) Ghata, or the state of a jar, (3) Parichaya (known),
(4) nispatti (consummate).
Arambha Avastha.
69. When the Brahma granthi (in the heart) is pierced through by
Pranayama, then a sort of happiness is experienced in the vacuum of
the heart, and the anahat sounds, like various tinkling sounds of
ornaments, are heard in the body.
70. In the arambha, a Yogi’s body becomes divine, glowing, healthy,
and emits a divine smell. The whole of his heart becomes void.
The Ghata Avastha.
71. In the second stage, the airs are united into one and begun
moving in the middle channel. The Yogi’s posture becomes firm, and he
becomes wise like a god.
72. By this means the Visnu knot (in the throat) is pierced which is
indicated by highest pleasure experienced, and then the Bheri sound
(like the beating of a kettle drum) is evolved in the vacuum in the
throat.
The Parichaya Avastha.
73. In the third stage, the sound of a drum is known to arise in the
Sunya between the eyebrows, and then the Vayu goes to the Mahasunya,
which is the home of all the siddhis.
74. Conquering, then, the pleasures of the mind, ecstasy is
spontaneously produced which is devoid of evils, pains, old age,
disease, hunger and sleep.
75. When the Rudra granthi is pierced, and the air enters the seat of
the Lord (the space between the eyebrows), then the perfect sound
like that of a flute is produced.
76. The union of the mind and the sound is called the Raja-Yoga. The
(real) Yogi becomes the creator and destroyer of the universe, like
God.
77. Perpetual Happiness is achieved by this; I do not care if the
mukti be not attained. This happiness, resulting from absorption (in
Brama), is obtained by means of Raja-Yoga.
78. Those who are ignorant of the Raja-Yoga and practice only the
Hatha-Yoga, will, in my opinion, waste their energy fruitlessly.
79. Contemplation on the space between the eyebrows is, in my
opinion, best for accomplishing soon the Unmani state. For people of
small intellect, it is a very easy method for obtaining perfection in
the Raja-Yoga. The Laya produced by nada, at once gives experience
(of spiritual powers).
80. The happiness which increases in the hearts of Yogiswaras, who
have gained success in Samadhi by means of attention to the nada, is
beyond description, and is known to Sri Guru Natha alone.
81. The sound which a muni hears by closing his ears with his
fingers, should be heard attentively, till the mind becomes steady in
it.
82. By practicing with this nada, all other external sounds are
stopped. The Yogi becomes happy by overcoming all distractions within
15 days.
83. In the beginning, the sounds heard are of great variety and very
loud; but, as the practice increases, they become more and more
subtle.
84. In the first stage, the sounds are surging, thundering like the
beating of kettle drums and jingling ones. In the intermediate stage,
they are like those produced by conch, Mridanga, bells, &c.
85. In the last stage, the sounds resemble those from tinklets,
flute, Vina, bee, &c. These various kinds of sounds are heard as
being produced in the body.
86. Though hearing loud sounds like those of thunder, kettle drums,
&c., one should practice with the subtle sounds also.
87. Leaving the loudest, taking up the subtle one, and leaving the
subtle one, taking up the loudest, thus practicing, the distracted
mind does not wander elsewhere.
88. Wherever the mind attaches itself first, it becomes steady there;
and when it becomes absorbed in it.
89. Just as a bee, drinking sweet juice, does not care for the smell
of the flower; so the mind, absorbed in the nada, does not desire the
objects of enjoyment.
90. The mind, like an elephant habituated to wander in the garden of
enjoyments, is capable of being controlled by the sharp goad of
anahata nada.
91. The mind, captivated in the snare of nada, gives up all its
activity; and, like a bird with clipped wings, becomes calm at once.
92. Those desirous of the kingdom of Yoga, should take up the
practice of hearing the anahata nada, with mind collected and free
from all cares.
93. Nada is the snare for catching the mind; and, when it is caught
like a deer, it can be killed also like it.
94. Nada is the bolt of the stable door for the horse (the minds of
the Yogis). A Yogi should determine to practice constantly in the
hearing of the nada sounds.
95. Mind gets the properties of calcined mercury. When deprived of
its unsteadiness it is calcined, combined with the sulphur of nada,
and then it roams like it in the supportless akasa or Brahma.
96. The mind is like a serpent, forgetting all its unsteadiness by
hearing the nada, it does not run away anywhere.
97. The fire, catching firewood, is extinguished along with it (after
burning it up); and so the mind also, working with the nada, becomes
latent along with it.
98. The antahkarana (mind), like a deer, becomes absorbed and
motionless on hearing the sound of bells, etc.; and then it is very
easy for an expert archer to kill it.
99. The knowable interpenetrates the anahata sound when it is heard,
and the mind interpenetrates the knowable. The mind becomes absorbed
there, which is the seat of the all-pervading, almighty Lord.
100. So long as the sounds continue, there is the idea of akasa. When
they disappear, then it is called Para Brahma, Paramatmana.
101. Whatever is heard in the form of nada, is the sakti (power).
That which is formless, the final state of the Tatwas, is the
Parameswara.
102. All the methods of Hatha are meant for gaining success in Raja-
Yoga; for, the man, who is well-established in the Raja-Yoga,
overcomes death.
103. Tatwa is the seed, Hatha the field; and Indifference (Vairagya)
the water. By the action of these three, the creeper Unmani thrives
very rapidly.
104. All the accumulations of sins are destroyed by practicing always
with the nada; and the mind and the airs do certainly become latent
in the colorless (Paramatmana).
105. Such a one does not hear the noise of the conch and Dundubhi.
Being in the Unmani avastha, his body becomes like a piece of wood.
106. There is no doubt, such a Yogi becomes free from all states,
from all cares, and remains like one dead.
107. He is not devoured by death, is not bound by his actions. The
Yogi who is engaged in Samadhi is overpowered by none.
108. The Yogi, engaged in Samadhi, feels neither smell, taste, color,
touch, sound, nor is conscious of his own self.
109. He whose mind is neither sleeping, waking, remembering,
destitute of memory, disappearing nor appearing, is liberated.
110. He feels neither heat, cold, pain, pleasure, respect nor
disrespect. Such a Yogi is absorbed in Samadhi.
111. He who, though awake, appears like one sleeping, and is without
inspiration and expiration, is certainly free.
112. The Yogi, engaged in Samadhi, cannot be killed by any
instrument, and is beyond the controlling powers of beings. He is
beyond the reach of incantations and charms.
113. As long as the Prana does not enter and flow in the middle
channel and the vindu does not become firm by the control of the
movements of the Prana; as long as the mind does not assume the form
of Brahma without any effort in contemplation, so long all the talk
of knowledge and wisdom is merely the nonsensical babbling of a mad
man.”
———————————————————————————————-
“He from whose navel steadfastly proceedeth in it’s upward course the Om, and naught but it,
And for whom the kumbakha exercise formeth a bridge to the Brahma-randhra,
He beareth in his mind the one and only mystic spell”
Kashmiri poetess, Lalla, verse 34
“I locked the doors and windows of my body.
I seized the thief of my vital airs, and controlled my breath.
I bound him tightly in the closet of my heart,
And with the whip of pranava (cosmic sound) did I flay him”
Lalla, verse 101
“The ever unobstructed sound, the principle of absolute vacuity, whose abode is the void,
Which hath no name, nor colour, nor lineage, nor form,
Which they declare to be the Sound (Nada) and the Dot (Bindu) by it’sown reflection on itself-
That alone is the God that will mount upon him”
Lalla, verse 15
“He who hath recognised the Brahma-randhra as the shrine of the Self-God,
He who hath known the Unobstructed Sound borne upon the breath that riseth from the heart unto the nose,
His vain imaginings of themselves have fled far away,
And he himself recognises himself as the God. To whom, therefore, should he offer worship?”
Lalla, verse 33
“Along the central channel, this path extends up to the braincase…
….Inside the rajadanta there is but one orifice, the mouth of sankhini, known as the tenth door.
From the circle of the root portion whence the kundalini energy flows out spring up the moon conduit from the left portion, and the sun conduit from the right portion……
….From the root bulb arises breath, arises thought, arises the sun, arises life, arise sound and matrkaksara”
Goraknatha’s Amaraugasasanam, page 10
“The energy made of unstruck sound stands in the middle, in the wheel of the bulb, looking like a straight line with serpentine undulations at both ends, above and below.
Between those 2 that are sun & moon, the kala is indeed resplendent with a brilliance equal to that of a thousand suns.
This energy can be ascertained by slightly restraining the breath. That is what is referred to as ‘symptom’.
And now, the supreme ascent:……”
Somananda’s Saktavijnana, verses 9-11
“Known as nadavedha is the piercing brought about by the upward rush of the resonance according to the process of creation; through this spontaneous resonance, let the master enter the disciple’s consciousness”
Abhinavagupta, Tantraloka, chapter 9 (where he discusses all the various types of initiation possible – after going through all the various types of initiation that we still see today, including shaktipat, pranahuti etc, he goes on to state the initiation through ‘silence’ is the ‘highest’ possible…..Ramana Maharshi?)
“The nature of such a consciousness is its capacity for self-referal, and because of that, there always arises a spontaneous sound which is termed the supreme, the great Heart….
……For that vibration, which is a slight motion of a special kind, a unique vibrating light, is the wave of the ocean of consciousness, without which there is no consciousness at all….”
Abhinavagupta, Tantraloka chapter 4
“It is the Heart whose nature is vibration which constitutes the supreme method for achieving the highest non-duality which consists of universal grace. For the nature of the self-referential character of the consciousness which composes the awakening of the Heart is that it is an astonishment brought about by the total fullness of consciousness”
Abhinavagupta, Malini-vijaya-vartika, page 105
“There on the level of the highest kundalini there is the Emissional Power which is beautiful because it contains within itself the vibration, there the yogin should repose devoted to the condition of the belly of the fish”
Abhinavagupta, Tantraloka, chapter 5

Only what Nanak & Kabir pronounced is correct
Rumi too
After Kabir You lost me – I will read tomorrow – is midnight+2 here
but N° 69 says clearly that the speaking about Brahm / Yaweh
eventually Par Brahm / Jehovih via Sushuma
not Ida or Pingala
RSSB works as follows
Most Disciples are Manmukhs ( like me )
who have no chance at all to do these ascetics
but have the potential for some compassion / Love
Saints ask them/us to do this simple Simran
and with that help end the inner dialogue /thinking
I wrote in coomments
They will hear one of many intensities of Sound
at the right side – Ascending Shabd
not the descending Sounds that make people crazy
Shabd becomes so intensive that we cannot resist
and plunge into it
We also see that it is what we are and that it’s Your SatGuru
I don’t read much anymore
Only Kabir Rumi – I m 82
My Master Charan Singh Ji did all this for me
and there are no words to explain that
Only Music
Hence I m fond of comparing with worldly music which highest
pitch ‘seems’ 3 à 4 octaves lower
A good comparison I used here several times is Orgasm
above the Eyes for hours
Sant Mat is for the poor analphabetic people
cannot read or write and guys like me
Several lives ago I used to kill people
like the Halliburton Guys ( Hired )
I explained in comments
Compacting:
Everybody will go the Advaita Brahma Way but it’s difficult
and long – several big bangs so to speak
RSSB Saints can only be understood by jeevas that have no
chance at all but have a minimum of exploitable compassion.
777
PS
When Gurinder talked politics, this was not for Trump
but HE compared with Indian parties
like Jesus who supported the Roman Emperor
For His financial motivations
HE s following The MauJ
and I am sure that in terms of Karma
He just plays an overall equilibium
with moneys and the organizations and persons involved
Of course we are all a little flabbergasted because we don t see
what happened long ago
I v not seen Gurinder’s HyperRadiant Form like @Charan
who is my Guru
but I have seen HIM stepping
in and out Charan ( so to speak )
as we all (will) do in Meditation and more
and also we have seen him physically Radiant
like the person on the old Dera movie
on the 4th Row
one can compare with a light bulb
This Path is Wonderfull
777

Here is an amazing video from a 14 year old girl who was kicked off of youtube today for no other reason than being part of the cognitive elite and not wanting to be molested by adults.
I’m going to show my appreciation for her by sending a few bucks to her Patreon. Support the next generation. Support the youth of America.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FNqiV8kL4cc/

03:45
Kain , the vegetarian and Abel, the killer of the Lambs
I would have been very upset also
Further one has to know how the wind blew on creation day (Mirdad)
He speaks very fast
so I like first hear thoroughly before bucksing him – I m halfway
7

Aaaah. It’s a She
Being in this naughty corner, ofc I’m for the first amendment
It feels like a 13 yr old with sponsors
It’s interesting
Let’s see if she has paypal

Hi guys, I live a quiet life and am not very good with words, so thinking about finding balance in life… found some quotes…
The resistance to the unpleasant situation is the root of suffering.
– Ram Dass
For things to reveal themselves to us, we need to be ready to abandon our views about them.
– Thích Nhat Hanh
Watch what you say, and whatever you say, practice it.
– Soyen Shaku
Zen is not some kind of excitement, but concentration on our usual everyday routine.
– Shunryu Suzuki

Jen – best to say what’s on your mind – don’t worry about hoe it comes out – better in your own words then from somebody else.

A Muslim chronicler of the 17th century said that a Sikh he knew said that the guy who coined the term Sikh 200 years prior didn’t eat meat. Reminds me of orthodoxy’s dubious history.
This important information about what a guy long ago supposedly ate should help guide you toward making ethical choices in 2019. Why? I have no idea. Just listen to famous people of every era and you’ll arrive at truth.
Brad Pitt is an environmentalist.

777, if you’re talking about that video I posted, Soph does not have PayPal as far as i know. She has a Patreon account, though Patreon is pro censorship and will likely ban her from using their services soon.
Bitchute is awkward, but there’s a way you can click under the video and see all her information. I’m ordering one of the t-shirts on her merchandise site.
“I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children’s laughter remind us how we used to be.”

Hi Georgy Porgy,
Tired of this life forever after,
Zen teachings help somewhat.
There is no escape from disaster,
seeking kindness never ending.
Wanting to believe in the living Master,
facing darkness nary a warning light.
Forever struggling with one’s own might.

“The issue of focusing on the body, and that includes the breath, is only that you are going down rather than up, since your consciousness is already at the eye center, already in an abstract region, albeit distracted downward into the world and diffused….. ”
I’ll do a tldr version first- Statements such as these should be prefaced with some sort of disclaimer or qualifier such as “my guru/sect says.” Cause to just proclaim that your way of meditating is realer, or higher or better or introduces you to better gods is unfalsifiable, even if you personally believe it when your guru says it.
Now the extremely long winded and unedited version.
This comes off as Sant mat dogma being recited by a proselytizer, but it in the guise of something rational and unquestionably true. If you read the whole thing, you’ll realize as usual that the comment is not about something anyone can prove, least of all the person who is saying it. It’s the same “it must be this way” stuff RS has been saying since at least the days when Dr Johnson was wearing turbans and complaining about the temperature of milk in India. “Why does this danged servant wake me at such an hour!? Doesn’t he know how to be American!”
I think David Lane used to warn about the pitfalls of insinuating that your method “goes higher”, or that others can’t do/get to your place without the supposedly proprietary techniques of the sect. There’s almost no way to know or compare other than by taking the various sectarian preachers words at face value. But they almost all say they know more than the next guy, so figuring out who to believe is a crap shoot. Prabhupad uses the coolest names for his highest heavens in my opinion. “Krishna Lok” just sounds better. Something to consider.
Anyone who’s looked beyond RS knows that Sant Mat’s meditation practices aren’t even unique to the cult. Only the exclusive claims of efficacy are somewhat unique. Buddhists and Hindus have near identical practices of listening to “internal” sounds and visualization techniques, but in those religions the techniques are part of an entire repertoire of meditation practices and methods which I suspect gives them a great advantage over cults like RS who prescribe a one size fits all sadhana, and who never do any research into whether or not anyone is being benefited or what if anything is happening to practitioners minds. Not only do they not do research, they outright ask you to take an oath to never talk about anything to anyone.
How can we know that something works, and nothing else does, when we’re not even allowed to talk about the one instance that supposedly towers above everything else?
RS aren’t the first ones to do this, nor will they be the last, but they certainly are guilty of attempting to hijack yoga and meditation and make exclusionary claims to states of being and abilities to be granted divine presences by using ideas and meditation styles they generally just borrowed (i.e. stole) from others who came before them. Sorta reminds me of buying one of those grotesque body kits you can put on your car to make it look like a Ferrari, but then trying to sell it as an actual Ferrari.
Some forms of Naad Yoga start with listening to a tanpura and then later listening to silence or doing mantras. Sounds familiar. Some traditions practice brahmri pranayam, and again, transition to meditating on the silence. Also familiar. And I know “some traditions” sounds vague, but if you’re familiar with the vastness of yoga and meditation schools, you’ll understand why it’s not necessary to name any particular parampara. There are thousands teaching you to put your thumbs in your ears and go to THE highest heaven with the grace of the bearded man draped in exotic fabrics. Use google.
Being that they’re doing almost identical things, one might expect similar results from various schools, especially considering that similar states of being are described by practitioners of many of these methods. But with RS we can’t know or compare, because RS is not serious about knowing, and they make attempts to censor normal conversation between members. Contrast that with Tibetans who have thousands of volumes of autobiographical accounts of consciousness experiments and experiences and practice healthy dialogue about their experiences within the community and with anyone who asks. Does RS even have one documented case of anything happening to anyone? I guess I heard a cassette tape once about a guy who accidentally fell into samadhi after sitting down after work and he heard bells. They banned that tape though.
I’ve posted this video before of a Chinese Buddhist talking about meditating on sound, but I’ll post it again. He also talks at other times about meditating with beads, and many other techniques.
For people struggling with how to move on, just remember, there is a lot of spirituality out there. You’re not required to join any groups, have your soul saved by anyone, or to believe in anything at all. You can find thousands of these practices that might calm your nerves, or maybe even enter you into ecstatic states like those narrated by your favorite so-called mystics of the past . No gurus, and no beliefs required.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlWy39cPxXo

Hey Jen – yes, The Great Hack was a fascinating documentary! If you liked that, you may enjoy the documentaries of Adam Curtis – absolutely fantastic & extremely informative!
I also recently watched this documentary – I think a lot of people – including Brian in this one – could really, really enjoy this new doc called Hail Satan?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiNRWuV5Taw
I find the 7 Tenets of the Satanic Temple to be eminently reasonable, and far more coherent than the tenets of Radhasoami?:
“One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.”
https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/tenets
HAIL KAL!!!
Jesse – well, what to say. I never thought I would say it…. but that was an excellent, thoughtful post!

I like my own music much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18b1Tp1NiVs
but many other players Very Much
Lot2learn
With inner Sound it’s SO the same
777
ps
You like Jazzy Climatty ? read the txts annotations

Hi Jesse
You wrote “How can we know that something works, and nothing else does, when we’re not even allowed to talk about the one instance that supposedly towers above everything else?”
I should have added that this is only my own anecdotal report from my own years of practice. Think of it as a summary of my daily log of meditation practice and results.
That I report these reflects my own sentiment that science requires documentation, reporting and review. Other mediators may get something from it. We can gain ideas and insights, and occasionally confirmation, reviewing what others wrote. And we get something from reviewing our own earlier experiences and interpretations of them.
Meditation practice is also a science, even in its rudimentary stages.
Anyone can prove the effectiveness of any method for themselves. Keep a journal. Be willing to try different things. Including different asanas, yes, try Prana, no harm their. Try the Rosary, try guided meditation. Tru devotional practice, try Mindfulness. Every method I’ve referred to I gave my best effort to master. Like all things be careful. Log the results. Read what others wrote and have an open mind willing to investigate and experiment. You have a whole lab right there called “your life!”
Go back on a regular basis, even years later and re-read what you wrote, now with even more experienced and objective eyes.
The practice of journaling and looking back is itself a method to develop a greater degree of objectivity. It is the life of someone devoted to the Truth of the scientific method, applying it in the most essential areas to one’s own life.
The issue of internal vs external biofeedback, for example, has some research behind it. Some report that biofeedback helps them achieve focus and calm… Alpha waves also develop quickly using biofeedback for many.
But others find it a distraction from their own internal focus and for them biofeedback is less effective in generating alpha waves than simple internal focus.
So it depends on one’s own current capacity to focus, one’s current locus of attention, external or internal? And that can change over time.
When I wrote about access to higher inner regions through Shabd, it’s not in a physical sense. It’s an internal experience. These could be places in the human brain. But they are very, very, very fine places indeed and extremely stable and reliable in their qualities. You go “there” and the amazing sights and beings are the same as they were when you last visited. The sense of being pulled up is an actual sensation of floating, then soaring, upwards.
Amy experience of these things gives you a basis to report and dialogue. No experience at all or very limited is fine for choosing a method, and then it’s a matter of applying yourself to that.
Two different people can have different results. Where results are similar, and repeatable, there is the possibility of identifying real physiological elements.
One could be discussing their experiences auto racing, sailing, or piloting. It’s no different. The important thing is to be doing it.
There is always the element of trying to re-create the results we want and interpreting what we see as the evidence we hope for. This is normal human psychology and it does effect results even in the hard sciences. But the next day, as you read your journal, you can ask yourself, “Can I create that again?”, “How do I confirm that?”
You can go into that lab every day. It’s not a matter of one test. It’s a matter of what you found 365 tests this year, and every year you promised to make this your career.
And results do vary. There are good days and bad days.
If there were one solid reason not to report one’s experiences it would have to be that the results were premature, that experimental control isn’t quite where it needs to be, replication hasn’t taken place enough.. It’s a life’s work.

Also, Jesse, to add to your list, the exhaustive writings of the Monks of the Philokalia, St John of the Cross, St Theresa of Avila, The Cloud of Unknowing, The Way of The Pilgrim, all from the Christian mystic tradition are great logs of practice, method and experience.

“Watch what you say, and whatever you say, practice it.
– Soyen Shaku”
Jen, imagine what I’d have to practice if I were forced to act on all my words.
That state would make the most deranged urban meth shaman look like a valedictorian PhD student.
All of us would be much crazier if we did this. It might make the world more interesting.

@?
Thought_emptiness
Worldly Music ca do it somewhat tooo
Hail Kal-Mephisto but not to long!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L14hbzKPAYc
777

Jesse – ditto Manjit. Btw – 2.5 press-ups/hour! Such cheek! For that I’ve just done 70, followed by several rounds of alternate nostril breathing, some bellows breaths, then a nauli kriya …..:-)
Had a quick peruse of the latest New Scientist yesterday – contains an interview with James Lovelock (Gaia hypothesis) who has just turned 100. He didn’t seem too concerned about the state of the planet and was talking about the Novacene (I think that’s the term) – essentially humans co-evolving with machines.
Mary – really enjoyed your latest post – a well written good summary of how many of us here view RSSB these days imo.
Blessed are the vegan cheese makers!

—
@HUMOUR IS THIS :
Page 34: The extreme subtleties of the law. The law of karma is inexorable and subtle beyond our imagination. For example, even if we are party to someone else’s dishonourable actions, we too are culpable as an accessory to the suffering caused.
Telling the King that HE cannot piss in a corner of the street, HIS Street!
Even for a minor disciple HE replaces a SuperNova, a Galaxy, Many. . . .
without Mephist being aware
He Gives to One and takes from Another
This is ALL HIS clever deception. (Granth)
777 (. First class manmukh with some Love )
–

“I should have added that this is only my own anecdotal report from my own years of practice. Think of it as a summary of my daily log of meditation practice and results. ”
Spence, if you’re talking about your personal experience, why repeat verbatim from sant mat books? If I just sat down and started meditating, it’s doubtful that I’d come to the conclusion alone that my consciousness was already at the top of my head, and that from there I needed to “go up” farther. A lot of systems of meditation make very good points as to why you shouldn’t do that, actually. It’s not a given that one just needs to “go super high” right away. Whatever that even means.
I’ve never read the entirety of the Philokalia, but of what I have read, Mark the Monk/Ascetic was by far the most interesting and useful. I considered joining the Orthodox Church because of him alone, but thankfully I wasn’t sucked into that world by old writers and byzantian priests censing the congregation with their cedar and sap incenses. They certainly have a beautiful liturgy, and the overall solemnity of the rituals is something many eastern religions could learn from.
Unfortunately when listening to more recent interviews by Kalistos Ware makes me think it’s highly unlikely he’s capable of finishing the Philokalia translations if he hasn’t already. The 5th book will either have to remain unpublished, or finished by the other members of the team.
And speaking of chakras and whatnot, those Hesychasts and other Christian meditators all thought that the heart was the highest place,as do Muslims. I’m not convinced by the RS explanation that they simply weren’t as developed or enlightened as those who “make it to the eye center.” I just think they come from different backgrounds and have different systems. Different goals and different gods even.
And though the Hesychasts offered techniques, I remember reading in the Philokalia that one should only adopt a technique that he was already doing somewhat naturally. Things like inhaling while saying the first part of the Jesus prayer, and exhaling while saying the “have mercy on me” part, or lowering ones chin into his chest when meditating. The primary concern of theirs seemed to be that of realizing St Paul’s instruction to ceaselessly pray and nothing else. Mystical experience happened, but wasn’t sought, and certainly wasn’t considered a good thing all on its own. Modern day Christian saints like Paisios warned that most of those experiences were demonic and satanic. He was a mount Athos monk.
Philokalia and how its authors are portrayed is another great example that displays how groups like RSSB conveniently cherry pick from other religions at best, and outright distort and misrepresent them at the worst. The incantation of “all religions and mystics teach the same thing” looks absurd when you remove your head from John Davidson’s world and go to the sources themselves. I do think Davidson’s books are great actually, but they serve a purpose, and I’m not 100% convinced that that purpose is as respectable or honest as I once did.

Hi Brian Ji
A few months ago we discussed gravity. The hard sciences still don’t actually know what it is… And this new article doe a nice job in Lay terms, explaining what every physicist knows
https://beta.washingtonpost.com/outlook/everything-you-thought-you-knew-about-gravity-is-wrong/2019/08/01/627f3696-a723-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html?outputType=amp

Hi Jesse
You asked and commented
“Spence, if you’re talking about your personal experience, why repeat verbatim from sant mat books? If I just sat down and started meditating, it’s doubtful that I’d come to the conclusion alone that my consciousness was already at the top of my head, and that from there I needed to “go up” farther. A lot of systems of meditation make very good points as to why you shouldn’t do that, actually. It’s not a given that one just needs to “go super high” right away. Whatever that even means.”
Yes, that’s my experience. It comes from having tried different practices. I went to some length to explain internal vs external locus of attention, which has had some reporting in meditating research.
Basically, what you focus your attention on, if it comes from some external stimuli, becomes conditioned to that stimuli.
So that’s why some long term mediators do better without biofeedback. And why pranayam and other asanas have their built in limitations. Like the hull design of a boat, there is a physical limit to the velocity that each hull can tolerate, where adding more horsepower does not change the speed at all, but simply puts more stress, torsion on the hull.
My personal experiences verify this all the time. If I relax listening to a great guided meditation, I have to pull my attention completely off that in order to focus on internal Shabd, and that is work, because now my mind has enjoyed the guided meditating and is thinking about that and thoughts generated around that.
So now that becomes another layer I have to get my focus over. I have to withdraw from it to get “over” it
It’s not complicated. You discover it repeated practice.
When you have a greater experience, that becomes the goal and benchmark. Then you can test to see what practices help you return there and which, however nice, even if they help calm and focus the mind, become a pleasure, a conditioned response, a connection, an attachment, that then becomes an obstacle to a higher experience.
Higher, meaning a level of direct understanding that doesn’t require thought. The thought and the thing are one and an immediate experience. And that is sheer joy as well.
So experiencing that, then that becomes our goal.

“that’s my experience”
Oh it is?
“that’s why some long term mediators do better without biofeedback”
Better? Better at what, for who, in what context? Just “better”? Later you define “higher,” but is that thoughtless, higher perception “better” for anything?
“pranayam and other asanas have their built in limitations”
Some practitioners describe pretty much identical experiences to any other form of meditation or yoga including RS meditation.
That includes the supposed higher perceptions, which are obviously not very reliable because everyone is scrambling to use their brain to discover Gurinders maleficence, and not any 6th sense.
“My personal experiences verify this all the time. If I relax listening to a great guided meditation, I have to pull my attention completely off that in order to focus on internal Shabd”
Maybe this is why other forms of meditation don’t work for you. When you try to perform them, your RS habits kick in and you fail to follow through. If the guided meditation isn’t about shabd, why are you superimposing your beliefs and preferences onto it?
People report amazing experiences at vipassana retreats. One of the first things the vipassana instructions tell you is to follow the meditation and to not do your own mantras, focus on your gods, or pretty much do anything that isn’t vipassana. If you went there and started trying to focus on shabd, how would your experience speak to vipassana?

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“Maybe this is why other forms of meditation don’t work for you. When you try to perform them, your RS habits kick in and you fail to follow through. If the guided meditation isn’t about shabd, why are you superimposing your beliefs and preferences onto it?”
” People report amazing experiences at vipassana retreats. One of the first things the vipassana instructions tell you is to follow the meditation and to not do your own mantras, focus on your gods, or pretty much do anything that isn’t vipassana. If you went there and started trying to focus on shabd, how would your experience speak to vipassana?”
But Jesse, ‘following the meditation’ as you write, and by your own logic, could also just be following your mind. Could also be placebo effect.. In any practice. This is why you journal and review your own results. Your beliefs and practice should align. They will align in time. But whether you become more objective or less may reflect the effects of your practice.
You quoted me…
” “that’s why some long term mediators do better without biofeedback”
Then asked…
“Better? Better at what, for who, in what context”
Better at producing Alpha, deep states of meditation, better in terms of their self – reported results… … Other Measurable benefits….
Here’s a good article about the similarity between meditation and biofeedback…. Both methods produce measurable results. But as the article notes, it isn’t one size fits all.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3791377/
Here’s an interesting study of Vipassana practitioners over time and how their goals and beliefs change. They start looking for self regulation and with a high proportion of belief in Atheism. and as they progress over the years that mix changes, so that those who have meditated for years tend to have a belief in something higher, and a higher proportion have the goal of liberation, with much less having a goal of self – regulation.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.473.4922%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ved=2ahUKEwjanL_Q6OnjAhUSWN8KHQqLClYQFjALegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1PAisjUFM0BnPOJg_-BOvd&cshid=1564942730901
Now, this last review isn’t an experimental study. It’s a well conducted comparison survey.
What that means is that people who engage in Vipassana for many years may not become more religious, spiritual or liberated.
It may just mean that those people already so inclined stick with it, and those with interests in self – regulation, or who tended to Atheism initially left it after a while, and so a smaller proportion of, say, atheists interested in self – regulation, wind up among a random sampling of long term Vipassana practitioners…. Or indeed some level of internal experience may have changed them. We can’t tell that from a survey study.
Again, anecdotal accounts aren’t going to lead you to the right path.
That I hear Shabd and listening to it brings me amazing peace, understanding and experience makes me naturally suited to the meditation.
But you can’t say the meditation connected me to Shabd or gave me that predisposition. That’s been there all along, from childhood. But the meditation helped me control that experience, deepened v that experience.
So my journal reflects my condition. In that you are right. But the practice and results help me to optimize progress along the dimensions I’ve chosen, my goals, and understanding of what helps me make personal progress.
But reporting my progress and findings may help others… Either to see the limitations of my interpretations, or to see how they might apply to themselves.
Similarly, reading the writings of others and more current meditation n research helps me place my experience into a more objective context.
And that goes for your experience, too, Jesse. It’s not a matter of reading restaurant reviews. On that basis you go to a restaurant and try the meal for yourself. That’s crucial. As your can see here different people have different results and naturally make different decisions. All that honors both objective and subjective Truth.

Hi Brian Ji
A few months ago we discussed gravity.
Nice article Jesse
about how Brian manufactured all these powers
More plausible that Brian did all that than a . . . ‘nobody’
777
PS
Perhaps now in this blog Brian can explain Why he did it

@ 777. Hello
Is God insecure that he wants us to worship him? He appears to be a saddist – enjoying h watching suffering. Are we sure that these so called Gurus are not the Anti christ???
I am pretty sure that God is just a figment of our imagination – nothing has ever been proved. We could go on…

None of those studies are about radha soamis yoga techniques so there’s no basis of comparison in that regard. Maybe meditating on the guru and his sounds and disco lights more often than not diminishes alpha brain waves.
But whatever. If you like doing something, I guess go ahead and do it. It’s just weird to read truth claims from all angles. I believe none of them.
And 777, I posted no article that I remember. Maybe you’re thinking of the one Spence posted about gravity.

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“None of those studies are about radha soamis yoga techniques so there’s no basis of comparison in that regard.”
You had mentioned Vipassana, and the study was interesting, hence why I d raised it for iscussion.
As for the Sant Mat method, or any method, these are all artificial creations to build on what is natural within you. There are schools of self – defense, running, ballet, hatha yoga, bicycling, ballroom dancing, tap dancing, weight lifting, swimming. They all have different uses, but they all build on what is natural in the human body. Some ask the participant to move in ways that may not be the healthiest for some purpose or design of that art. Some become competitive fields and then there is drug abuse around that.
But as individual practices, they, generally, improve health in some way. To ask which provides the best health may depend upon the practitioner.
That they all have some positive effect can be seen in the practitioners themselves.
We should all practice something in terms of meditation. The human brain benrfits from it just like physical exercise.
What is your current practice? And what are your current results?

“What is your current practice? And what are your current results? ”
I don’t believe in meditation. Stopped doing it years ago. I don’t think it’s necessarily beneficial (and we can all find studies to back up any side of anything) or the equivalent to physical exercise. It’s more like the equivalent to standing there and trying hard to be as still as possible.
The results are that I don’t meditate or care about doing so. I consider it a success.

Osho Robbins is right about people generally lying, but the expectations of how much is socially acceptable, when one can lie, and for what purposes varies from culture to culture, and person to person. It’s actually a really interesting thing to think about, even as depressing as the inevitable outcomes will be from modern man’s obsession with global nomadism and the breakdown of culture through dispersion for the benefit of corporations or worse.
Autistic adherence to the ideal of honesty, even when it’s essentially impossible or dangerous, seems to be a product of Protestantism, though it infects all Christians to some degree. Christianity pretends to practice or believe in an absolute, unwavering moral code, but I don’t even think that’s a biblical idea being that the bible is a mess of contradictions. Paul alone probably contradicted himself 100 times. It’s more the way in which Christians tended to present themselves and their ideas to would be converts (victims), but with ulterior and somewhat imperialistic motives. Moral absolutism tends to resonate with most populations until they realize it’s all b.s. and that the presentation wasn’t the same as the product.
In a more “eastern” view of things, lying is just a tool of humanity required in certain circumstances and an inescapable part of being alive. Alan Watts has talked about the “eastern” view a lot. To the Christian, lying is part of a hypocritical system that is used by the powerful to shame or guilt the less powerful when they’re caught. Even in Orthodoxy you never hear of the priestly class being disciplined for things that lay people would likely be excommunicated for. “All have sinned and we all fall short of the glory of God” but action is only taken against some, since you simply can’t understand the pressures the clergy face, and who is powerful enough to unseat a bishop anyway?
Humans are ridiculous creatures. We should all consider getting lobotomies to solve these issues once and for all.

Sonya
CRIED OUT
and first said Kal was merciless and then projected this on Gurinder
“””””” GSD is quite literally the anti-Christ in the sense that he stands against everything Jesus taught. I’m not religious but I find his “no mercy” stance remarkable.
Posted by: Sonya | August 04, 2019 at 11:47 PM””””””””
me:
It is not only in meditation – as collateral joy
but also just in life that miracles or real Revelations are happening
A year ago I had a small contact with a Romanian girl
addicted to cocaine etc
had had a very unpleasant life I will spare you
I could communicate a little bit – my bad English versus hers
and suddenly
MY BEAUTIFUL MASTER CHARAN SINGH JI MAHARAJI
took her place
it is very difficult to explain but HE was in her as it were
HE smiled as always and then HE changed in the form of
BABAJI GURINDER who said to me: “Help Her”
Next ( just in waking consciousness ) my attention-consciousness-Lifeforce
speeded UP to my crane where the crown is
First, you feel itching at the hair, next it expands to one of the forms of
consciousness we are more than our flesh
Next I saw how this miserable girl was an empress, so Great in Power
such a Glance and Radiation form , really majestic,
and how She reigned over myriads of causal world and difficult to
explain but She still reigned over so much that exists
in so enormous Glory that all music from the Earth is a tiny thing – compared
Also, I saw/felt/experienced how easy and natural all this was 4 her
Next, I understood that her position was and is what Catholics call
“THE POWERS OF GOD”
Those are Jeevas (Soul+Ego) that do creating – Those are so much Higher
than Arch Angels
Seth Shiv’s 4th region
There are innumerable of such forces above the measureless void
Of course, I thought about karma and how we will err most of the time
when judging
The most miserable human we meet might be of Royal blood
in fact, we all are
“Help Her”
So I did, and a series of unbelievable Serendipities happened
over the past year
A satsangi in Dehli found for me the only Romanian book
( wow there are phrases of Mr Brian Hines in it from his book: ‘Life is fair’ or something like that )
I did send that
Now she lives in England, to my big surprise although I always thought
and has contacts with Sikh people
and I hope for the best, . . no, . . Im sure of the best to follow
I tell this because of the attacks on BBJ
If you all knew what his position is, you all would start crying
from now on up to your last breath
With Sweet Love and Sweet Sound
777

@Axrjuna said
Think man! Its priceless
and asked me some above
You are the doer, the sadist, and all that happens in your life
Read my last Post – She wants so much go to the Highest
and it’s only possible in our form
All what rest is bullshit
She had to balance karmas -just that – we all have too ( or not )
What I didn’t understand was : How can she act here and still be in Power
I think Saints do that too
You think Gurinder knew – I think he was listening to the Sound
777
For You Arjuna, it is the same

Hi 777
We all canme from a much higher place,
“Tell me boy, where are these other past Indras you dare claim to be Indras, For I am He, and He only!”
And pointing at the trail of matching ants the boy Krishna laughed and quietly sighed,
“!ndras all!”

777 are you saying a Romanian coke head is actually a god, and that being a god, she still needed some RSSB books?
Maybe when your imagination of Gurinder asked you to help her he meant by feeding her or something. Not proselytizing like an evengelical.

Well, 777, can you explain some purpose behind Baba Ji’s money controversies?

@Anami
OooH YES,
Study economic situations like QE and negative interest –
Study gold (physical)
Study the >>exponential climate effects
like siberian/alaskan methane
@Jesse
After so long on this blog, you don’t know that imagination after Love
is the greatest force? (Einstein)
Calm down and be happy
Study yr karma

7–
He wants to wreck the planet and enslave the puny Earthlings?

777. I have no one in this world. If I died tomorrow no body would even notice i have gone.
Please Gurinder was not listening to sound when he walked past me at Haynes – he was judging me. He was the Doer who said nothing and I was Doer who wanted him to say hey son you ok?
I don’t agree with you my heart was open but you wouldn’t understand and you don’t k ow me why I got initiation beats me.
He cant preach to us that we should live honest lives- does he. It his loved ones???? Lool at his loved ones and see how honest they are.
Brother you don’t need Kundalini powers to know – it’s written all over their faces. People like me who just wanted a bit of love were the fools. Not them. They probably read this blog with a glass of whiskey and think – what a bunch of Twats (idiots). Peace be upon you 777

Hi Arjuna, many of us are loners. Wish I could give you a hug and tell you that you are important and a lovely human being. Don’t worry too much about being alone. I think it makes us stronger human beings when we live alone.
After living in three countries and nine towns I don’t particularly feel like I belong anywhere, which is quite freeing in some ways. I don’t have any long standing friends and the only people in the world who are my strongest companions are my three sons and we live in different cities but have long chats on the phone.
Just wanted to wish you well and about Gurinder, I just think that he is simply doing what he can to the best of his ability.

@ jen. Hello
I just want to get to know God. So many false starts and fighting this all alone.
Big hug back and x

Hi Arjuna, many of us are loners. Wish I could give you a hug and tell you that you are important and a lovely human being.

We should start a “loners” sub-club on CofC. Anyone’s
free to join. Virtual hugs likewise free. As of now, we’ll
be the “Three Amigo’s”, a very exclusive group.
Hey, there may be another connection. S. Africa… or
at least Africa? I was in Jo’burg in early 80’s. I heard
Maharaji whisper “Oh, God” at the sight of chocolate
cake.

Gurinder was not listening to sound when he walked past me
me: How do U know?
So, you live in UK
His BANG gaze might be the best ever occurred to you
Such instances HE sees everything ever happened in your myriad incarnations.
–
He might have thought : How ever did hé come here and “judged” which karmas HE should carry for You
Because in these comments of U , I understood you are a special case. ……….. 🙂
Double Simran 48/7 can help – it helps 4everything
Tell somebody to send a message here in case you did die
would be nice to know
777
PS
While writing I thought why is he (U) loving nobody in the world? Strange to say

@Brian
Jen, a religious person, in my view, is someone who elevates blind faith above open-eyed recognition of reality.
me:
Brian I would start with the semantics of circulair reasoning
Do a WIKI
Here comes a simple example:
A: Jesus is God
B:?
A: It’s in the Holy Book
B Why you know it’s Holy
A: Jesus said it
Cheers this time
You are on this blog about the first using false arguments ( like 1*0=1 ) and uncomplete articles and declarations
next agitating build a whole series of books on that
777

@Pundits
WIKI:
Ashtavakra (Sanskrit: अष्टावक्रः, IAST Aṣṭāvakra) is a revered Vedic sage in Hinduism.
These texts noted by oshorobbins
go up to Braham ParBrahm
They see the void “MahaSunna” as the Creator
Hardly is mentioned : LOVE
meaning:
help a mouse cross the street upon the Force from
“May the Force be with You” further than all Creation
Each of us IS THAT
TO KNOW GOD YOU MUST BE HIM
777

777 you’re still pretending that you know something as you cite syncretic RS texts. Do you not understand that “my god is higher than yours” was just a gimmick?

777, you say: “Jen, a religious person, in my view, is someone who elevates blind faith above open-eyed recognition of reality.”
If you are talking about me you couldn’t be more wrong. I’ve never been a “religious person” and I don’t have “blind faith”.
Reality? My practice is embracing life fully in the present moment.

Hi 777,
Just realised you were quoting Brian’s words. Ah well, thats my answer to his judgment of who and what I am!

Oh God!
You are all strange!
Posted by: Meditator | August 08, 2019 at 09:01 PM
@JUAN
You must be real old
You give credence to the information some months
ago from Phil UK
His grandfather gave 10 million to Gurinder to use
as He thought fine , . . . rssb or private
In practice of course for tax reasons, the foundation got it
Phil suggested then that the Mohans were poor almost
but the idea to make cheap medicine clones ( generics) after patents ended
with Religare was super
and Gurinder must have lent these millions to Mohan
Phil could check all this with a simple telephone call
But I wouldn’t – I think HE wouldn’t. – Why He would?
There must have been a promise to give these moneys back to RSSB or Gurinder with interest
plus half of the profits
That’s how Gurinder never took a penny from someone!
Thanks to JUAN we know that the Spanish Salary was GIVEN not TAKEN
My English is just enough to idiomatically feel that the word TAKEN is an euphemism
For STOLEN and HE used that word in California
But he might have taken some from unethical companies, to say it softly
and so even Kal must agree: no karma!
Me: 7, I hate that agreement with Kal but I’m unable to judge, . . canceling
the agreement would produce total havoc
Further, i have zero confidence in the FDA and the so-called traitor whistleblower
who got 15 million or so
Of course, the SHI&MALvinder boys were a giant pain in the ass of the former patent holders Pharma Giants !
At last
Daiichi sold the company to SUN for the double $$$ almost!
How then can the arbiter have judged as he did?
ONE BIG CONSPIRACY
Brian, now you can use the time that left, allotted to you by doing Simran
After ‘death’ in other circumstances, U can too
but U will hate to be an analphabetic in a strange country
SHALOM NOW
777

“For this reason I have created Kal, . .
because without Kal, Man has no fear”
(RS Beas Sar Bachan Poetry translated by Tek Puri, Ishwars pappa)
Some people long for their original State of Pure Love without misjogge
Me7 , I have to be born soon, so I don’t have that desire
But how to love a phenomenon so far away and you have never seen That
How to Love THAT, . . U have only tiny memories
This is the Greatness of a Saint SatGuru, . . if it’s 4U; . . You might love HIM
Many 7 chakra beings around, . . few take this chance TO BECOME HIM BY LOVE
before this planet will be out of service for a long time
777

@777 If he was using ‘taken’ in the sense of stolen, then why did he say he has only taken money from his parents?

Intrigued by initiation
I investigated the insight of introspective invitation
The multiple mysteries of mystical masters mainly mumbling
Reducing reality rapaciously rendering related research reprehensible
Originally Oneness overcame overall overrated outthinking
Ancient wisdoms are written anecdotes wherever avatars watchfulness awaits
Thus saith the sayer

@ 777 it’s all a mess .
As He can steal so can we. That’s what you are saying.
There are no master a I keep telling you. No one has seen anything within. It’s all the brain.
Sorry don’t buy it. It’s a con and its bigger than madoff!!!!!

I took a cup of coffeeat PJ’s, before taking the courage to
take the thieves pistol. . . . hééé. I’m not english
Hééé. UK, US, SA, Indian readers do some work . . . OMG
77
My favorite song :
“I took a trip on the train, . . and I thought about YOU ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPsgdRlv0CM

“Sorry don’t buy it. It’s a con and its bigger than madoff!!!!!”
Arjun, I too think Gurinder is in on some shady business and I don’t believe that he’s god.
But out of curiosity, what would you do if new compelling evidence came out exhonerating him and showing that he wasn’t intentionally or personally involved in any scandalous activity?

@ Jesse hello
If he was proved innocent- dont see that happening as he and cronies like luxury. And reading the book Bottle of Lies – has convinced me that the whole family business was shady as fuck.
I would still go out to the bar as I am doing tonight in a bit and get drunk. If God wants me – come and get me! As I’m done.
What would you do?

Nothing would change for me, Arjun. Whether he’s he’s guilty or innocent, I don’t much care.

Jesse – Good response.
Too much water has passed under the bridge….

Arjuna, I just finished that book last night. What a cluster f*ck that was. Unbelievable fraud by not just these Singh brothers but the entire generic Indian drug pharma’s. FDA are bloody clueless as well. Buy name brand if you can. Holy shit!
Also of note: When the director of Ranbaxy presented the paperwork to the board of all the criminality and fraud taking place, the author mentions that the people on the board with Malvinder were mostly RSSB related. One of them was Dr. PS Joshi. He’s a Cardiologist who used to treat Charan Singh and also treats GSD. So this Joshi and other RSSB board members were there at the meeting when the board was presented with these findings, but they ignored them and continued on.
How could a doctor be complicit in the manufacture of bad drugs, and still keep the patient’s welfare in mind. Goes against their oath doesn’t it? I bet he never administered Ranbaxy drugs to his “good” patients.
Outrageous findings.
The author also mentioned in the book that Malvinder’s spiritual group (RSSB) was represented in the board of directors along with Malvinder. So RSSB members were complicit in this, because the test data was being manipulated or almost entirely fabricated to meet FDA approvals.
Excellent book on the inner workings of the drug industry.

I’ll third that. As soon as I read Jim’s quotes from his 69 quips in the Dera, I knew it was over. Then the other non-GIHF quotes kept coming, then the Sheena book, all aside from the financial affair.
I remember this video concerning me as well, as he seems to have a completely different demeanour here, but that might be me projecting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxKbIIieggc
I still believe in the meditation though, but the purpose of life is this area has gone for me.

@ Amar hello
Yes it’s a scary book . What concerns me if GSD knew about that company from where his family took the money. How far does the rabbit hole go.
And more importantly how many people died as a result. I am watching a documentary on Netflix called Family (about how a group believing in christ control true power with the rich, politicians and dictators etc). Check it out as it makes me think that RSSB may be on a similar road perhaps not with power over dictators but who knows.
Going back to the book yes the board of RSSB knew. Corrupt as hell.
They need to be challenged. All this is going to explode in the open and I wonder how RSSB peeps will react.

but that might be me projecting
The only way you can starting judging
is
Stop your thoughts, if you can
Try One minute
Thoughts make you their slaves
and all you think is wrong
777

Have any of you read the comments on the “I Hate Church of the Churchless” thread, be careful, its kinda scary lol…
Brian says: “I’ve always wanted to feel like a celebrity and have a stalker. Now I’ve got one. Just via the Internet, but, hey, better than nothing. It feeds my ego (assuming I still have one) that someone is so obsessed like little old me.”
I wonder if Brian hates me because I was born in South Africa like Ashy? Ashy’s comments make me laugh, check them out.

Okay, just one more comment and then I’ll leave. I know Ashy sounds completely off the planet if anyone’s bothered to read that thread.
I’ve experienced racism. I have British Ancestry, white skin, blonde hair, and when we left SA and moved to New Zealand I was confronted with “If I knew you were from South Africa I would not have spoken to you”, also another person said to me “I hate South Africans”.
There are many different types of racism although because of political correctness nowadays people may not be as blunt as before. It is damaging when we are judged by strangers and thats probably why I became a loner. Okay, over and out.

I think Georgy Porgy once said he hangs with Ashy at a different site. Did he ever mention where?

Jen, did you ever know any victims of those super brutal farm attacks that I’ve been reading about for about a decade now? It’s one of the scariest things happening on earth, and yet world news largely ignores, or worse, excuses and justifies it.

777. I have no one in this world. If I died tomorrow no body would even notice i have gone.- Arjuna
Don’t be so assuming.
We at churchless will notice.
Every so often someone will write
“Hey, not heard from Arjuna for a while”
And someone else will say
“Yeah, I think he is dead, happens to the best of us”
And someone else will write
“Fucking hell, really? Dead?
You mean dead as a dodo?
Well I better get on and meditate before I die too. ”
So you see your life was not lived in vain. You served a purpose.

Hi Jesse, I don’t know any of the victims but I do subscribe to a few people on youtube and hear about the terrible things going on with the farm murders, so depressing. Very lucky to have escaped that country. Of course the news ignore it and blame the whites for everything and its only going to get worse. Very sad.

Jesse, found this article…
https://www.tsln.com/news/guest-opinion-genocide-against-white-farmers-in-south-africa/
August 8, 2019
“South Africa has long had a serious problem with crime. The murder rate is 36 per 100,000, meaning 57 people are murdered each day, placing South Africa’s homicide rate just behind that of countries now at war.”

“If I knew you were from South Africa I would not have spoken to you”, also another person said to me “I hate South Africans”.

South African satsangis were wonderfully friendly and genuine
when I was there. Political correctness has become the blunt
instrument of the “thought police”.

@ Osho hello brother. Still alive and kicking. Just come back from the boxing gym.
Are you going to haynes this weekend?

@Arjuna
What book?

@777
Bottle of Lies: The Inside Story of the Generic Drug Boom
Book by Katherine Eban

@Arjuna
Thanks
None of them “left their body” using the “five holy names” and went to “sach khand”
Posted by: OshoRobbins | August 09, 2019 at 09:21 PM
I did
It’s natural
Keep the backbone straight and do love
777

@ 777
The Serpent snake will rise

@Arjuna
Good point
Yes, it did, . . 49 years ago, quite nasty
Have U ever seen a comment of mine
giving U a feel that I am not extremely happy?
777

@ 777. Not sure what I feel when I read comments .
So the kundalini . You know events yet to come as a result.
Have you ever seen a tree on the mountain yet?

Sorry 4my english
-apparently it was not clear enough (about Osho’s remark)
that this happend Long ago and that yes
after brilliant meditations
we are less and less invited to make changes in creation as it is
Even the Almighty invites the Saints & their disciples to find imperfections
( saay . there is a complaint box 🙂
Apparently the mind, neither the serpent , knows
that the Giant Love (6 regions higher) includes the certainity that everything in creation is perfect,
extremely perfect
777

In short,
all methods other than Love fall short
love strong as when we were 14 and had a crush
you cannot eat, cannot sleep
That kind
and sorry everybodynice bloggers , . . you can only produce that for a human
not for a stone, a spirit, . . not even The Holy Spirit
Who doesn’t have it . . . beg for it. . . . each minute
Other methods are just to difficult PLUS
We, Humans are constructed for Love ( alas that implies hate too )
Who doesn’t want, join . . . ?
777

Hi Dungeness,
Yes, I loved the South African satsangis and I enjoyed satsang very much. I was over sensitive when we moved to NZ and now have adjusted to the bluntness of some people. Had to toughen up when living in Australia as well and changed my accent very quickly and don’t speak about where I was born. Remind myself every day how lucky I am living in a beautiful and safe environment. Hope it lasts.

@ 777
You talk about the Almighty as Love . I never saw any love at Haynes Park UK centre. People went their for their own reasons. Build networks . Show off their cars. Kiss ass. Mary their sons and daughters off.
Sorry don’t buy it. This Almighty God sounds like a Twat !!! Insecure too. Why doesn’t he want our Love??? Get a life is what I say to him.

Hi 777
You wrote
“In short,
all methods other than Love fall short
love strong as when we were 14 and had a crush
you cannot eat, cannot sleep
That kind
and sorry everybodynice bloggers , . . you can only produce that for a human
not for a stone, a spirit, . . not even The Holy Spirit
Who doesn’t have it . . . beg for it. . . . each minute
Other methods are just to difficult PLUS
We, Humans are constructed for Love ( alas that implies hate too )
Who doesn’t want, join . . . ?”
Become zero, 777, and the whole creation is a gushing, fusing sea of passion where every vacuum is an injury, a loneliness the entire creation is wounded by, and rushes at once to embrace, to heal, to fill.

@those not understanding yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnx5qwM7LtM
7777

@ 777
Babaji once said that if you tell me that a man understands what this is. I wont believe him. I am more likely to believe the man who says he has drunk the worlds oceans.
Tell me what are we not understanding if the big man says it is impossible to understand.
Ps do you know what a Demiurge is?

For Georgy…and others as well.
I often wondered about beings on other planets and their connection to shabd possibilities…ALIENS to say for clarity.
Never heard and several people tried to get this answered never could get a straight answer from the Dera over the years …it was always !! sidestepped.
Recently I heard a tape of Ishwar Puri guruji here in the states AND to my best recollection and understanding…he answered the question to the effect that it is only in the HUMAN FORM do we have this opportunity to connect to go home…all other species in the physical universe and uninitiated on other dimensions no go including angels cannot connect. They must incarnate into a human form….
So another dilemma for everyone to consider.
In case you dont know who Ishwar Puri ji is some long term satsangi you may know or another person on the blog may if requested…… explain his credentials to you…quite substantial man he is..
Chy

On one trip to Dera In the late 70s I spent a lot of time with White and Indian satsangiis from south africa…i have lovely memories and we had some adventures. Yes many Indians living in India do not like SAfricans and my tagging along with them on trips outside Dera I was included in the bigotry…didnt matter we just rolled with the punches and the SA people there were very devoted satsangis at that time Sam Busa was there as well.
Very lovely warm friendly people.
I live in southwestern USA am a loner its easier…but love a good chat…
Outside of being with SAfricans no issues for me with Indians the story changed when I was not tied up with SAfricans….. Loved India…
Anyway Jen wow youve lived there and now NZ lucky lady another gorgeous place. Good karma …
Anyway perhaps we all are little buddhas metaphorically buddhas of energy just getting through our lives here and will return to the pure essence not some religious dogma style and empty answers to satisfy the mental knots we get in momentarily and need a bandaid relief answer from our chosen religion to get past the knot.
When the knot loosens and it only loosens when we grab ut toss it out and let go of the issue causing the disturbance. Dont try to resolve it just visually let it go see yourself as a shining light force in the universe not in the form of a soul or deity or with another being guiding you. Just be and the knot will dissolve and you bypass dogmatic methods of thinking and thinking those old ways will solve your issue.
We really are not any of these old pagan views of deities gods goddesses and the like.
We are charged with a life force that has no form and definition. Thats for here on earth and until we can accept that and the fear of letting go of the need to be a form or see forms of others in spirit until we can just be an electrical charge and nothing more to fill an ego void we will not get much past the ancient idol worshippers with gods and temples…
Radiant forms are very much like this…forms our mind needs to create to justify our existence in the universe.
To feel secure and that one has a place.
In electrical charge thoughts there is no ego there is no deity to define just energy at varied frequencies.
Chy

@CHY
“”all other species in the physical universe and uninitiated on other dimensions no go including angels cannot connect. They must incarnate into a human form….””
Exactly
All what “is” must eventually use the Crown Chakra Matrix
AND HELP OF
SOMEONE WHO IS ALREADY THERE
777
@Arjuna
Please don’ call my Master Charan names
777

Read the Song
The proof is automatically transfer all worldly Love Songs to Your Master!
Automatically
I never spoke about understanding or IQ
I spoke only about Love and Being That
777
Strange Arjuna
In one phrase you refer to Gurinder after scolding HIM the same breath!

#RSSB buying some lands
50° heat generally to come without water & food
Things will become worse than the following
The 8 meter mentioned is a giant joke and the 1,5° C too
XR
Simon Wally. – Extinction Rebellion
In just 11 years, our civilization, which has taken 4.5 billion years of Earthly evolution, will likely have signed its death warrant. Our climate is changing. Our atmosphere and oceans are warming.
Species are becoming extinct at 10,000 times the normal rate. Dozens of species are lost every single day. By 2050, between 30-50% of all species will have disappeared. We will crash through 1.5C of warming since pre-industrialization, and be well on our way to runaway climate change. The latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)report described the conditions awaiting humanity if we fail to act by 2030.
Hundreds of millions will suffer from extreme heat, lack of food and water, and possible war like conditions as governments struggle to keep control.
And this report wasn’t even the worst case scenario.
More alarming reports have included the dreaded positive feedback loops into their models. The most worrying feedback loop is the mass melting of the Arctic permafrost and up to 8 meters of sea level rise. The permafrost is of particular concern to scientists, and it should be to us all. Under the frozen ground, rests 205 gigatons of methane. Methane is 30 times more potent that CO2. If this methane escapes into the atmosphere, any future attempts at mitigation will likely prove futile.
Sea levels will rise, available land for growing food will decrease as a result. Water is becoming scarce already, but with warmer temperatures, water will evaporate more rapidly. This will increase moisture levels in the atmosphere and fuel super strength storms. All this will be happening as billions of humans are added to the population. More people with less food, water and land, but increased temperatures, super storms and increased risk of disease.
Japan faces a future of food scarcity, rising sea levels, stronger, more deadly typhoons like Typhoon Jebi, heat waves like that of 2018 that killed 65, and hospitalized 22,000, and landslides like that seen in Hiroshima.
This is the likely future of Japan, and our planet. It doesn’t have to be this way. We can all make individual choices to avoid this reality. We can leave animal products off our plates, drive less, fly less, buy less and use less water. Taken together, these actions will have a massive impact.
We must rise up together as one, and take back control from these people that would risk our survival as a species for short term profit. The rebellion of which I’m talking has already begun. The battle to save our species is underway. It is a peaceful and just battle that offers hope in a time of great darkness. This peaceful uprising calls on you to join us in our time of need, and offer support in any way you can. Our generations’ greatest strength is in unity. We are united under the banner of Extinction Rebellion. And rebel we must. Rebellion is the only thing that will keep us alive.
7. ( for secondary subjects I diminish some 7s )
The quesste for our Soul has become the same
as the queeste for this planet

@ 777 I did not call your master names. I called the Almighty a name.
Truth be told I love Charan as he was master when I was little but he left me.
I always am angry with the current one and only he knows why.

>>I always am angry with the current one and only he knows why.<< You wrote "only he knows" …. What about you? Do you know why you are angry?

Yes 777.
In my explanation of beings aliens etc needing human form.
Ishwar did specify the human form AND A PERFECT MASTERS initiation. I missed mentioning that part…
Now then he did not mention the
“Crown chakra matrix” that you indicated…feel free to elaborate on that concept if you wish. I do know what the chakra system is just this part you mentioned would add some things.
I do recall m. Charan singh saying when I was at Dera for satsangis not to delve into or participate much in UFOS and the like…he also said for the most part they are not from OUTER SPACE.
He then dropped the discussion.
Well that leads to 2 options.
1. They are inner dimensional experiences not inter I wrote inner …
2. They are from our own planet earth…
So any thoughts ?..
Chy

@ UM – hello
Yes I do.
Have a good evening

“In just 11 years, our civilization, which has taken 4.5 billion years of Earthly evolution, will likely have signed its death warrant.”
Im not a “climate change denier” really, but I’m highly skeptical and mostly because of these hyperbolic warnings that have been saying “this year!” “this decade!” for like 40 years. The same sales attitude has been used to sell gold for at least 50 years. “The US debt is 20 BILLION dollars. This can’t go on!” Now we’re comfortable with $20trillion.
For one thing, climate predictions such as whether or not it’ll rain next week are not exactly accurate. To give exact predictions about red line dates in the future is obviously not so much scientific as it is propagandistic. The fact that it’s always the USA and Europe who must act should tell you something. But it doesn’t, because you’re high or whatever, 7.
Second of all, the earth’s climate has already been far more severe as it is now, and nothing we could ever do would prevent similar conditions from arising again. I’m currently sitting in an area that only 10,000 pre industrial years prior was under a mile of ice. And assuming Malenkovich cycles are real, this ice is more commonly here than not.
If another ice age comes, which doesn’t require human activity, we’re all screwed. We’ll need to accommodate all of the human population on far less land and during climatic changes we have no civilizations memory of.
Your civilization and ecological assessments and beliefs are so wrong that I have no reason to trust your spiritual beliefs . It’s like being unable to perform subtraction on paper but telling me you know calculus. I not only have no reason to believe you, but I have very good reason to absolutely reject everything you say, 7.

To.
One initiated from july 25th your posting.
Subject the void of darkness that no one can transcend without a guide.
The darkness is so engulfing the soul cannot cross.
Well here again.
Folks theres nowhere to GO the light and darkness are everywhere simultaneously.
Therefore you will EXPERIENCE your place of AWARENESS be that varied this or that level of concentration of light force (energy.)
There is no external spirit being thats coming like a fairy tale to drag you along dear lost baby to sach khand.
There is no where to GO . its all frequencies and your frequency is your awareness….
Your awareness is your life force energy electrical charge that is it. Energy not beings in space somewhere in human looking forms in meditation.
Its all a mind mental translation for people to discuss all this and communicate. The mind gives 3 dimensional explanations for everything..
Chy

Thank you Arjuna I will make myself some coffe.
Not for all but for many who came to know Sant Mat through Charan, the transition was a shock.
He took with him whatever was admirable into his grave. He was not only charismatic, but everybody and everything else related to him all over the world.
It made me think in a way of the movie “the last emperor” where the mandarins were replaced by the “little men in green uniforms”.
Personally i feel that people are far to much focused on his successor for finding answers … T want to believe that there is much more to it. What happens there in many ways resembles what I see happening at other places that has nothing to do with spirituality.
I am glad that I am not in a position to judge or questioning him. Soon after he came to succeed his uncle, the whole interaction with sant mat evaporated like an fata morgana.
I do remember, with great pleasure, that interaction with sant mat, like a grown up can bring a smile on his face thinking of his time in kindergarten.
How it came to be so I don’t know … it just evaporated.

@Chy @Arj
That s a long time ago you were @dera
In my comments over 6 years here or so
I spoke about almost nothing than that
Our 7 chakras structure in >500 comments
Please google churchless 777
It is even what Brian made angrily and I’m allowed to write only in this chapter
Sometimes I try to place comments more at a more ‘direct’ chapter
but then he deletes/ is not placing
It is the reason that he created this “””free”””. chapter
Imaging what separations he would apply in the universe if he had any ‘more’ power
Also I talked about aliens and how we are not the only with the 7th chakra
but we are in the solar system, there are more in this galaxy
Many entities try to carbon copy with their brains, having extremely high IQ’s
Many know that only reincarnation can bring them in this slaughterhouse
( you see Arjuna ) , the place where karmas are equalized
and witnesses can learn compassion 100 times a day
It is the compassion ( Love ) that works when not ‘selfish’ ( second agendas)
Let’s say: Planets with 7 chakra beings ( humans or otherwise) are often hell for one
and heaven for another
because we can become love at 100%
Second thoughts ( in Love) imply the exigence to be loved back , a GIANT mistake
Arjuna is constantly demonstrating
He still loves Charan but the condition is that Charan is alive
He dislikes Gurinder because Arjuna didn’t receive the attention he thinks he deserves
There are grades in Love ( repeat COMPASSION ) and Simran brings us very far
Even Saints do Simran 7/24
Simran is the Sound current and will wake up
Simran becomes sweet, delicious, gorgeous
777

Hi Chy, really enjoyed your comment. I’m enjoying living in a small town in Australia now, a lucky country imo.
I like what you said: “In electrical charge thoughts there is no ego there is no deity to define just energy at varied frequencies.”
The UFO phenomena is one of my favourite mysteries in life. Your quote from Charan: “for the most part they are not from OUTER SPACE”. Maybe there are some from outer space and others from inner dimensions. Also, nowadays with our modern technology some could be made by humans.

Thank you 777…
I will check your old letters..
Chy

Hi Chy
You wrote
“Radiant forms are very much like this…forms our mind needs to create to justify our existence in the universe.
To feel secure and that one has a place.
In electrical charge thoughts there is no ego there is no deity to define just energy at varied frequencies.”
But we all do have a place, Chy. We’re each occupying it, and can’t step one Planck from it.
What if, through inspiration, or meditation, you realize there is another consciousness right within you, besides yourself?
One that is also seen everywhere you look, and in the face of an old woman, you see the young girl? And in the face of the young boy, you see the feeble old man?
And in the eyes of each, the twinkle of that higher consciousness that you witness within yourself? That presence, as if the whole creation were compassionate, underneath the things individual thinking does. We are the tearing surface of the sea, but what is the sea itself? Deep, unmoving, immovable, and feeding and healing all its inhabitants?
When you put aside imagination, what if light and sound burst through without your permission?
What do you call it? And if it can’t be named, do we say it doesn’t exist?
What if we gain our very capacity to see and be awake, to whatever limited extent we are, from that greater see of wakefulness, buoyant and soaring beyond us?
If you find that in you, then how can you say, “well, that’s me too.”
I guess anyone can say anything, but if we are honest, it’s a beatiful mystery. I think we should get to know her better.

Could it be we are heading for a dissolution…not the grand dissolution but the lesser of the 2?.
Reviewing my notes I believe it was Ishwar puri…could have been m. Charan but my old note is not clear…
Im thinking it was Ishwar…
The question was on climate and earth changes…
His answer was:.
To the effect that why get so obsessed with all this . What is here to hang on to?
This life here is transitory and nothing lasts and we die and go on…what is the real need to hang on to in this world. Do your meditation and get out of this entrapment…..
Well thoughts to ponder.
Personally I believe in treating the earth as well as I can be kind to it and dont add to the destructive ways…karmic situation for us here at this time..
Chy

@Osho
“”” Or let’s make it easier for you: can you quote any anecdote in the lives of all the people regarded as Sant Mat Sat Gurus whose biographies and teachings Beas publish, who ever claimed that? “””
Charan , . . . capable to be in India and in The Netherlands
at the same time
and 5 satsangi’s testifying under oath
Now go to Bandhara and you find about 1000 initiated
who can testify!
HOW GREAT NOT TO SAY YOU ARE A COMPLETE HUMAN
Instead, let the Successor do the ‘ ‘ ‘boasting’ ‘ ‘
777

–
the ‘ PRAISE ‘
777

Yes Spence
We do have a place…now then our minds lets say for those who believe in body mind and soul…so many different belief systems writing in this blog…
I can try to express my experience somewhat wherever it is I am at when writing. All these opinions change over time as we grow.
So anyway the mind gives us forms to see and if we go inside we may see other forms and on and on lesser and lesser forms as we go higher into pure energy pure consciousness.
So what you see here in an old womans face or a young persons face or say ‘I see the spark of light in that person” …thats the highest expression of that person that my mind here can register and relate to…as I evolve I cannot even exist here as my light will not maintain a physical structure.
Radiant form is a way of the mind relating to us a pure energy source that our mind has deemed the thing thats supposed to appear before the eye in meditation or for some in psychic situations like at satsangs or in the rivers evening glow…but in the end its all just one big electrical charge defined down here to humans per their religious belief system…and the mind as m. Charan said PLAYS TRICKS ON US…
Very uneasy to try to write all this and make sense …
Now then what people say and believe is was or will be a perfect living master these individuals minds will project things related to that belief system and if the person can go higher again its pure energy charge at the top. Therefore if we can get between forms and forms on other dimensions if we are there when we are there we may slip through this forms issue….
Im not at the top yet!!! Darn my karmas keep me in this level….
Holding on to hopes and dreans but nothing we know here is how it is in the end..
Chy

Again somewhat to Spence but its open…
The teachings focus the satsangi on if you dont see the radiant form before you die then probably but not always you will reincarnate and pick up another master and work at it again…4 lifetimes max….
You know the story.
Now then I received a letter in the 80s signed bu M charan singh that
The 4 lifetimes are THE 4 STAGES WITHIN…not NECESSARILY 4 human births…..
The letter I no longer have….
Now this maybe should not hit the blog and it really gets into the idea of for me again.
The need to see a particular form due to accellerated good behaviour and years of hot meditation practice is
Baffling …as if we just can get passed this forms issue there is no way to calculate what needs to happen to not reincarnate…I feel not tied to that event as a markpost.
Next story…always an answer for everything.
Well if you didnt get the radiant form before you die it may be you did get it but for due to heavy karmas you were blocked from seeing it….so back to square one.
Lets get out of needing FORMS to be our guidepost…grab the light sound if youcan just get something and go up the ladder.
Now some on this blog love and are devoted to m. Charan…I love him he was fabulous….
Now then he passed away and many years have gone by and we have received GSD.
Hes gotton a lot of new initiates and sort of I guess coddled Charans disciples too.
What we need to think about here and he as well if he reads this.
It was that he did not want to be the master but did his masters wishes. He did not want all this satsangi responsibility.
Ok time goes on and the past masters are gone and many oddities are spread around that GSD says this or that now..he says things are different example I heard he will not come to the death of the satsangi…
Ok then there are no to my knowledge tapes of his satsangs videos of his talks surprise visits and disappear …very little of his thoughts are shared with us unless theres something Im aware of.
He gives the impression that m. Charan says it all go listen to his satsangs and yet things leak out where he says differing teachings…modern times. Things have changed.
Ok with all respect please we dont bite . we lost our master to death it broke many hearts. The attachment to him was very deep . or we many are new on the path so…
Tell us the changes let us deal with new information corrections validations for changes..
No more about finances things. We want to meet the spiritual side of this person m. Charan chose to lead the people…
We would like to hear from the current spiritual leader and get to know his insights…in our changing world.
I dont think thats asking too much…
I dont think we will hear much either .
So back to square one.
Try to hit cosmic consciousness and go from there…it may be more true..
Chy

Im not at the top yet!!! Darn my karmas keep me in this level….
Holding on to hopes and dreans but nothing we know here is how it is in the end..
Chy
your description is beautiful, . . . little bit between the words, as is always the case
at the non-describable
777

Chy
If you want to hear from Baba Ji, if you need to, then why not plan and go?

The fish lives in water, can it SEE the water?
The water is all around but the fish cannot SEE it because to see the water, it has to get to the boundary, but it cannot.
In the same way, you cannot see an infinite object, no matter how hard you meditate
Posted by: OshoRobbins | August 13, 2019 at 11:51 AM
False reasoning ( semi-circulair )
Who knows about what senses a fish has?
How about up and down quarks in superpositions in a fish and in meditation
777

Hi Spence.
Im not able to go now to India or need to at the moment.
What would be nice is if the English satsangs and perhaps some other languages if they want provided videos recorded satsangs including unedited qustions answers discussions from all these many tours…for those who have attended to play back and for those who have not to be able to get online from the centers instead of always what someone said or heard he said…
He soes not wish to do this and I think many people would like to hear his talks and replay them as desired.
Seems like its all gotton deep in secrecy and only the people in the “inner circle” no doubt have some recordings that they do not pass out or may even say they have.
Should be these recordings someway and many would feel better that hes participating in a different way than its been….share the talks and not 3rd 4th 5th hand passed down with usually negative understandings in these pass downs…
Just a thought….
Chy

Hi Osho.
Your Fish in water analogy….
This type of chat I dearly enjoy but is very difficult online as the nuances are hard to get that the person expressing is trying to convey and so we just do our best.
This infinity subject is so complex and the closest I can relate to it without getting lost is the pure energy currents that flow through all dimensions at differing frequencies. In those each independent of the other frequencies are infinite miles of vibration…we with our minds translate that to dimensions and those dimensions take forms in our mind…forms we categorize to fit particular dimensions to inform us of where we are and what is there means where one is vibrationally.
The forms though are deceptive as they are different depending on each persons conditioning…they too are illusory of the purest state of awareness…god consciousness.
In the deepest sense as we get higher frequencies due to raising above each levels consciousness we go to higher frequency.
Thats where the vegetarian diet on THIS frequency comes in…to allow us to step up and the story goes on much more than what we read about dimensions in books.
Until we get that highest frequency we can only as you say be aware of the present state…we reach a boundary and the awareness shows one the next level.
Great fish analogy….
Chy

What does it mean to find the One within yourself?
“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.”
Matthew (13:44)
Why did the man hide the treasure in the field? Was that honest? Should he have told the owner of the field? Was it fair to the owner to keep him or her ignorant of the treasure?
The man who found the treasure and hid it again appears to have bought the field at a price agreed to by the owner under the pretense that the field contained no treasure. By giving this illustration as a positive example, is Jesus promoting questionable behavior?
Why did the man choose to deceive the owner? Perhaps the man knew that even by selling all he had, he would not be able to afford the true price of the treasure. No one can. Why did he have to have it? As for the owner, who was he? Perhaps the owner was not deceived at all.
Consider what may have been lost through the oral tradition in this rendition of Jesus’ parable. Perhaps the original went a little something like this:
‘The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a man’s own fields. The man had been away for so long he didn’t recognize his own home. Something inside the man brought him to this field and to the family treasure, his birthright, which the man, as a boy, had helped His father bury long ago. As soon as he uncovered the treasure he knew it was his, but did not understand why. So he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field from his father, whom he also didn’t recognize. His father was so happy to see his son’s return that he played along and sold him the field for trinkets. His father knew that his son was gradually remembering. One day his son realized that the field, the treasure and the father were all his to begin with. He ran through the fields up to the house he hadn’t seen in years. Now everything was clear, everything familiar. He ran into that house, his home, and embraced his father. All that mattered to his father was that day of reunion. This is what the kingdom of heaven is like.’
Jesus’ parable has a simple allegorical explanation to today’s Meditator: The man found this treasure in the field within himself. He gladly paid his debts to those around him, finished his duties, left his old life, and made his home that field, and the treasure the center of his new life.
To become One, of necessity, by its very definition, is to integrate with every part of who we are, to become whole.

Hi Spence
Aug 4 2019 11:44am… Your article web address on
Vipassana meditation.
Comes up as misinformed error page…I cant open it….
Maybe has been removed.?
Dont worry about it if it turns into a project to get it ….I have known some satsangis who joined that because they were getting meditation results…..?
Chy

7-
· “The proof is automatically transfer all worldly Love Songs to Your Master!”
· “The quesste for our Soul has become the same as the queeste for this planet”
Very helpful! Thank you.

It’s funny, but it’s hard to be serious reading some of the comments on this blog, despite the real heart of the issues discussed being of fundamental importance. But, as Aurobindo said “To listen to some devout people, one would imagine that God never laughs; Heine was nearer the mark when he found in Him the divine Aristophanes. God’s laughter is sometimes very coarse and unfit for polite ears; He is not satisfied with being Molière, He must needs also be Aristophanes and Rabelais.”
Some of the recent comments specifically around the nature of the inner experiences mediated via the Radhasoami paradigm and disentangling them FROM the RS paradigm and/or specific personalities, such as Gurinder, I have found to be genuinely interesting & thought-provoking. It’s imo a real shame that it is highly unlikely that there will be much honest & sincere unpacking of those ideas & experiences here due in no small part to the ridiculous “vow” of not disclosing your inner experiences (some “science” of the soul this is! :), amongst a few other factors.
As I see Chris has been posting here recently, and repeating the same old arguments that imo have been shown to be incoherent, confused & based on dogmatic beliefs years ago, and 777 recently wrote this:
“In short, all methods other than Love fall short love strong as when we were 14 and had a crush
you cannot eat, cannot sleep That kind………and sorry everybody nice bloggers , . . you can only produce that for a human not for a stone, a spirit, . . not even The Holy Spirit”
I was reminded of a previous debate I had with Chris which also addresses, I think, what is happening today with Gurus like Gurinder who turn out to be more human than their own dogma claims (you will note this is a form of hypocrisy & lack of integrity, claims which cannot be made of gurus like Nisargadatta for eating meat, getting apparently angry or smoking, or Osho for having rolex watches and rolls royces, because neither of these teachers claimed to have transcended the “five thieves”, or claimed to be “Perfect Living Masters” or “Saints” etc. This is cognitive dissonance, religious belief, confusion etc, applying deeply in-built magical & mythical standards to teachers who never once claimed them, whilst excusing fraudulent behaviour in those gurus who DO claim these standards!!)
It is the story of Dhanna Bhagat, which translates into “the Pebble/Stone Saint”. In this story, the absolute devotion of a simple man to a STONE secured for himself “unity with the Lord”. Yes, a stone idol leads directly to God realisation according to the Guru Granth Sahib, and this is a very famous story in punjabi. Such subtleties of indian mysticism are left out of dogmatic schools like Radhasoami where they claim to have the unique technology and secrets to God realisation! Dhana Bhagat’s “realisation” is confirmed by none other than Guru Arjan Dev the 5th Sikh guru and compiler of the Granth Sahib, and Bhai Gurdas:
“Listening to such happenings,
the poor Jat Dhanna too in devotion engaged.
The Lord to him manifested Himself–
Such was Dhanna’s good fortune. ”
Guru Arjan Dev, Sri Guru Granth Sahib, page 448
“Brahmin used to worship idols
And Dhanna went out to graze cows;
When Dhanna saw this all
He put queries to Brahmin who said: ‘
We who serves the Lord Gets fulfilled all desires of his heart;
Dhanna made supplication to him:
‘Give me one (Idol) if it pleases thee
Brahmin wrapped a stone in cloth
And gave it to Dhanna to get rid of him,
Dhanna first bathed the stone,
Then offered food and butter-milk;
He prayed with folded hands, and
Prostrated to persuade it accept the offer;
I will not eat a morsel-
Food I relish not if Thou art annoyed.’
God appeared before the Dhanna,
Accepted the offering he made;
Innocent love of Dhanna
Thus united him into the Lord.”
Bhai Gurdas, Varan X.1.3
I think this story serves as a lovely counter balance to those who claim, like Chris or 777, that you must discern the true and correct path and guru – who it seems in our current times must be a failed semi billionaire fraudster who made at least some of his money via unethical practices, with no personal history of mysticism we actually know about, whos goons make death threats to people, who claims to have transcended lust but likes to talk about topless women on beaches or the 69 sexual position with western satsangis in their 90s etc etc – or you will be limited in your spiritual “attainments”.
They do not actually realise how BLESSED they are this story exists in the Granth Sahib and is authenticated by Arjan Singh.
Because it means EVEN THOUGH Charan rightly admitted he was just like a “stone idol” being worshipped by his satsangis, because it means EVEN THOUGH Gurinder probably doesn’t have much knowledge of mysticism, let alone experience, and that he’s a greedy fraudster who refuses to face up to his actions etc – that EVEN THOUGH this is the case, there is still hope, there is still hope.
But only for the genuine & sincere seekers. I think that is what this story about Dhanna Bhagat is hinting at.
Regarding radiant forms; meh. Yes, ultra realistic, ultra exhilarating, ultra beautiful etc. They can change into any form imaginable, and more. Lets not pretend it has anything to do with that fraudulent dude wearing a turban running the family business shall we? Perhaps then….just perhaps…..we can realise & understand what it REALLY is?
Regarding the actual sound/shabd absorbtion experiences, and how to interpret the narrative forms that appear within it, that is a really fascinating topic. I think the whole RS religion & dogma limits profoundly how that is experienced, and imo that is evidenced by people who think their “inner experiences” of the “radiant forms” of their physical masters is literally just that, so become trapped within incoherent & untenable belief systems (such as Gurinder could possibly be what the RS dogma defines a “Satguru” as), and unable to escape the limiting nature of concepts, beliefs, fairy-tale narratives or a variety of other “maya”.
It doesn’t matter how deep, how ecstatic, how “hyper-real”, how conceptually convincing etc your experience is, but if it’s telling you some dude in a turban from the punjab is the soul saviour of souls in the entire multi-verse, you can be sure you are suffering from an acute case of delusional myth making well, well within the scope of “maya” or “kal”.
I’ve posted this link before to what I think is one of the better, more open and honest, non-dogmatic etc discussions of one persons personal experience with shabd absorption:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE4poA2AYFs
Right, I gotta go!

To Manjit and whoever…
That was a very long dissertation you just gave and Im sitting here and read it.
From my opinion and again im in pinda writing this…and pinda daily hah!
You have moved ahead of the romantic guruuy status of the new satsangi…you are going deeper into the teachings of various saints and digging up things that are after one completes RS 101.
When we can be aware of that shift RS is viewed in the way its simply presented basic satsang and 4 vows…but a deeper place is opened up…this causes anger and frustration sometimes….just keep shifting your gears…my opinion youre doing quite well…
That is what came to me to say in this particular blog. It is not any kind of comparison to the rest of you…
I am not recalling this next part entirely as it slips my mind over time but ill share what i remember to the best i can.
M. Charan said…that our relationships with satsangis and for satsang and the like are to be of a spiritual nature and we should be helpers and best buddies to our peers along the path.
Being in BUSINESS or doing BUSINESS with a satsangi is not always good or honest and we cant judge the business side of the person by their satsang presence and knowledge of the books etc. he she may handle business entirely different than satsang conduct. We must seperate the 2 relationships.
End of what he said…
Contradictions here…yes! but you decide for yourself. This is not my opinion…just passing what he said as closely as I remember.
It should seem like…trying to analyze that he said:
Me now …
All are struggling souls trying for purity and karmas and situations with that person are not always in line with what we see perhaps in knowing that person….
So perhaps our babaji has things to work on as well. I am not the judge…just another wandering soul.
Theres been a lot of growth in the RS group globally since our dear M. Charan died…
If it just makes many people a better person and get a good start then grow on their own as we all end up doing anyway then RS Is still better than other religions…less dogma no mandatory holidays or meetings preachers that dont know anything we have all you professors here to chat with and learn things …..it offers as yet much more for anyone that I can see than other ORGANIZED religions…if organized religion is what someone wants…
Its not inexpensive to grow this movement this with all the centers either.
A lot of the monies have no doubt gone to assist the growth….
Chy

Hi Manjit
You wrote
“It doesn’t matter how deep, how ecstatic, how “hyper-real”, how conceptually convincing etc your experience is, but if it’s telling you some dude in a turban from the punjab is the soul saviour of souls in the entire multi-verse, you can be sure you are suffering from an acute case of delusional myth making well, well within the scope of “maya” or “kal”.”
This is an odd statement after you just gave the beautiful story of Jat Dhanna, where the purity of his devotion won for him salvation, even though his understanding of what to worship was entirely ignorant.
777 is on the way, Manjit. He is devoted to the only God he knows.
This is why the true Sat Gurus sit in the back of the audience. Their devotion has resulted in the opening up of inner realms and experiences.
It’s about focus of attention on things that are not harmful, practicing intense devotion, experiencing bliss, which is experienced as passionate love, and that conditions us for more.
No one needs to worry about the accuracy of their thinking or devotion, because all focused thinking, if paired to an open mind, takes us above our limited conditioning.
Maharaji said it will, ‘from quantity of effort in meditation, comes quality.’
The only issue is whether the object of your focus is actually harming themselves or others. That is a note series concern, since that is what we end up defending, if we make that the focus of our devotion.
So, to paraphrase Christ, God wants us to worship in Spirit and in objective Truth… That’s the beautiful and resounding Shabd within, and objective Truth.
And even re Shabd, it is the main highway. Everyone is taken there when their focus is reasonably decent. And off target focus on any thing higher also, still takes you into the sea that will pull you to that highway of the Holy Word of God in time.
It’s built into the human body.
And it may be entirely physiological. But what astounding discoveries are there to be found!

Hi Chy
You wrote
“Aug 4 2019 11:44am… Your article web address on
Vipassana meditation.
Comes up as misinformed error page…I cant open it….
Maybe has been removed.?
Dont worry about it if it turns into a project to get it ….I have known some satsangis who joined that because they were getting meditation results…..?”
The link, as I found out after posting, only works if you copy and paste into a browser. It’s a pdf download of a research paper.

Hi Chy
Hey is the link again
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.473.4922%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ved=2ahUKEwjanL_Q6OnjAhUSWN8KHQqLClYQFjALegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1PAisjUFM0BnPOJg_-BOvd&cshid=1564942730901
What seems to work in Chrome is long press on the above, pop up menu choose open in new window, and then automatically, instead of a web page, a pop up asks if you would like to download the pdf. When I click yes, the article downloads…. It’s from the journal of transpersonal psychology.

Ok…thank you Spence
Chy

Hi Manjit
Thanks for the link. Very nice, very gentle and humble approach, generic.
Jens says, each person’s experience can vary.
He remarks that his internal experience is beyond the physical existence. He avoids going into detail. But he remarks that’s natural for him. He says you become aware of the light and sound as it presents itself to you… Effected by your expectations.
Second, he says, is to know an existence beyond time, birth and death. He says it is a very concrete experience, though he also says he knows it sounds fantastical. He says this was an experience of permanence beyond anything here. His body and thoughts were connected not just to ‘me’. And this inner being was a wonderful journey, and he was shown these things, brought to these things by a intelligent presence he says he is not aware of in detail. He says your normal boundaries of self, of I am, goes away, and we are not bound by those identities.
Jens says this intelligence on the inside has no labels, but it increased his awareness of what is.
He says he can’t compare his light and sound experience, which he says is wonderful and great, with any other system.
He also says he can’t say whether his past life regression experience outside of meditation was any more than his imagination, but he has had no such experience about reincarnation in his meditation and therfore has no view of it.
He says this inner being beyond birth, death, time, is his first stage. Then a second stage experience that there is a larger experience of self. And there is a third stage beyond this, Jens labels the ultimate, that is one thing everywhere, boundless, something else completely. There is no where you are not. All the prior experiences are limited. But here there are no edges, one thing everywhere, perfect as it is. He says it’s ultimate. Afterwards you realize there is literally no where it is not. He says it’s difficult to describe.
He is a meditation teacher. This is where he finds his practical purpose, to align the inner realizations with the outer activity.
Just because, he says, it feels good. Towards the end the interviewer asks him for advice to learn more. http://Www.Lightwavemeditation. Com, and an app, Insight timer app. Jens has a light and sound meditation group there. He charges nothing for the meditation. There can be individual and group meditation.
He wants to understand what people want from their meditation.

Aug 4 2019 11:44am… Your article web address on
Vipassana meditation.
Comes up as misinformed error page…I cant open it….
This sometimes indicates that Vipassana is not 4U
Called a serendipity ( for guidance )
@Manjit
I m blushing when an evolved soul says that
777

Interesting to read Bhai Gurdas on this site. I always felt about him the same way I feel about Hafiz or Rumi. That is that while they remained so devout in their religion, I feel they were better representatives than the gurus and prophets they believed in.
In other words, i find the Qur’an and GGSJ to be inferior to the writings of “saints” inspired by the foundational books.

CHY
In Rddb. a real sincere seeker
receives from 1. to
25 serendipities per day
It’s God s sublime way to communicate

. . wile the proctors ( kal etc ) are 100% un-aware
777
God cheats the proctors /rulers Like yaweh /Brahm
and Jehovih / ParaBrhm all the time
This is a super path

@777
Your blogs to me on serendipities…
Interesting observation you got out of my request for a website address…but I will observe your observation…
Hadnt thought of that….well at this time when I meditate its when the spirit pulls me may sit 10 minutes maybe over an hour. May do simran because its grooved into me but often I draw a blank of emptiness and time passes……I dont go to groups or join anything anymore…I can and have gotton into various things usually to outgrow them quickly. Never had anyone move me like m. Charan did in my spirit so I am on the fringes here but have moved into different awarenesses. For example I dont attend satsang but grew up in RS so at a young age and for years I DID often 3 times a week…….until a shift came along and I stopped loving the group thing became disillusioned with situations over time …now I just read and do my own thing enjoy this blog group free thinkers and folks trying to get it all together kuddos to this group!!
M.Charan said again…years ago…he may have quoted the great master I dont remember.
If a satsangi strictly ! follows the vows and sits 21/2 hours a day at a time…never misses not 1 day DO NOT SLIP AT ALL even if the quality is not so good just sit and do RS meditation for 6 months there WILL be huge success and go inside !! And open to the higher worlds…..!!
Sooooooo??? Only each person knows if they have done that can do it will lie and say it doesnt work or whatever….try it see if it works…but again with no expectations. I think a discipline focus is where hes coming from not so much a get from point A to point B…
Aaaand there are so many realities and awarenesses we get anyway just with being on some path of growth…
No in 44 years I have never done all the things he said …straight for 6 months no slips at all..
.simple he says but not easy…
This path is simple but not easy…..
Now then serendipity…I need to pay more attention to that.!!! It does occur for me and sometimes I find that Im blocked from something and something better happens that I would have missed had I done the other thing..
I still want to get into Spences article on Vipassana…I am a very curious person and inquisitive on many things. I dont dive deeply into everything.
Chy

This article was recommended to me by an algo. Confessions of a failed self help guru.
Might be a good read for some here who’ve had a similar traumatic experience with thinking they know what they don’t, and being rejected for it.
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/confessions-of-a-failed-self-help-guru

Hi Chy, re Vipassana, just looked up and found a TED talk about “Vipassana Meditation and Body Sensation”…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixu4Kd5R1DI
I do agree with having strong awareness and paying attention to one’s own body and mind. I’m also extremely sensitive which some people call ESP and no flipping way could I sit in a room with a group of strangers and meditate 10 hours per day for 10 days!

“No in 44 years I have never done all the things he said …straight for 6 months no slips at all..”
Then the meditation’s promises have failed you because you were told that your “skill” at sitting there imagining a man in a turban over time would improve more and more. After 44 years of dedication, the failings should have been overcome by virtue of the number of sincere attempts.
It’s also said by some that Gurinder didn’t even do meditation much yet he became the supposed buddha via bloodline, so you really just didn’t have the right super jat genes.. I have a feeling that Charan wasn’t much of a meditator either. He never had that presence about him. He seemed more like a coward to be honest. Like a clerical worker with no heart whatsoever. Look at those picture books of him just lazing about drinking tea as the masses toiled in pain building low quality structures for his fundraising. The guy was an ass.
And why is nobody questioning meditation itself? Who decided that sitting there is THE way? Many spiritual traditions that RS has no problem quote mining from certainly didn’t take that stance. Sikhs don’t believe it necessarily. Hindus don’t. Prabhupad (PBUH) was of the opinion that meditation was for other “yugs” and that only chanting the holy names could get you “there.”
Become Sufis or something. Go dance in circles chanting Allahu Akbar and forget this cheap religion of Agra. You’ve wasted 44 years already. Would you eat cardboard for that many years still thinking it would become chicken strips and steak?

This is not true. . . . . . .
In other words, i find the Qur’an and GGSJ to be inferior to the writings of “saints” inspired by the foundational books.
Posted by: Jesse | August 15, 2019 at 01:50 PM
777

777, I just said I prefer some authors over other authors.
Your response was “this is not true.”
Can you tell me why you believe I don’t prefer Hafiz over the supposed revelations written in the Quran? Because I’m almost certain I prefer Hafiz.

@Jesse.
Your blog synopsis of my 44 years initiated…
Well the 44 years combined in meditations with all the things other styles ive done…but still allowing RS to exist in my life does not mean Ive wasted it all…perhaps theres a savings account somewhere….god after all this there should be. Thanks to you my account is secured.
Now then it needs to be according to m. Charan 6 months straight that you never !miss !that meditation..not even for 1 day thats the key to this…..I dont believe anyone has done that straight through for 6 months at all.
Your idea of building it up over time hahaha ( your mind works a bit like mine at times) cumulative sittings…all the sincere efforts should by now have me in sach khand…well thats another valid approach that may be the answer.
Theres always an answer for everything in RS…so it takes years longer but you can make it that way as well…
So its been 44 years of initiation and im still here in pinda so dear Jesse I need more time but its coming…or perhaps my karmas are blocking me from knowing how far ive achieved but when I die Ill get my reward.
Now tongue in cheek here yet in all sincerity as well…
As far as what meditations the gurus did…that would be interesting to be able to observe first hand…
But….. of course the (answer ) for that if it needed to be covered would be at the stage of mastership there is no need for meditation because masters are at one and in full awareness all the time no need for meditation. Meditation is designed for seekers of light and truth.
So there you have it .perhaps they dont meditate.
Its not easy to figure all this out….
Chy

Osho – GSD – ‘Please, let’s be clear. I cannot erase your karmas, I cannot do anything for you’ – Best wishes
Posted by: Tim Rimmer | August 14, 2019 at 01:19 PM
me:
His Master can . . . if not Charan s Master? if not Jaimal >>> Tulsi etc
us: Just find the LOVE, to start with Compassion
Compassion is the Motor of Creation . . . always . . . even of cruel evolution
it applies to every quark in the universes . . .
777
so simple,
above discussions
above sects, religions
just look around, if yr help is needed . . . send a cent
avoid doing harm, . . always

Hi jen
thank you for the Vipassana you tube..il dig into it today…sweet woman..
Chy

There is some kind of inner energy, call it what you may, which keeps us alive and some call it the Shabd.
There is also the mind which can be controlling and destructive to our own self and its called Kal.
At the same time there is an Awareness which we can use, observing our thoughts and actions. The trick or the saving grace is using this awareness to watch and be aware of our own personal energy, thoughts and actions and then while in the observer mode we can see and understand without judging.
Just watching the different patterns of thinking and watching my reactions can be quite calming and also uplifting and I prefer this practice to sitting meditation.
Maybe life can be a meditation. Now, I’m off for my morning walk which is the best meditation ever.
Cheers 🙂

Osho wrote
“”” I am the supreme Being or Sat Purush, and I have come in his human body to take you back’
then I would report that.”
But can you name and quote any of the previous four Beas Gurus saying anything like that? “””
me:
They ALL. said that about their predecessor/Master, . . ALL MYSTICS
777
I believe Bullah Shah was an exception
HE shouted it from the roofs: I’m HIM
Delicious is that!
I
and Jesus : “Before Abraham . . . . I AM””

Compassion is the force that drives this creation.
The compassion to open all the centers to refugees.
Do you really think God does not have even that much compassion?
God sets a mark no human being can achieve in their actions.
At best we can be humble, honest about our shortcomings, anxious to harm as little as possible. We worship God but do not pretend to know how to do it right.
“Life is a foreign language. We all mispronounce it. ”
Christopher Morely
Yes, that much I expect from a real teacher of compassion.
I have no interest in less.

Hi Chy
You wrote
“..I dont believe anyone has done that straight through for 6 months at all.”
It’s quite a revelation to read this. It seems to be a common experience. How do you know, Chy? Can we really judge others so harshly?
There are true Saints who sit at the back of the auditorium, and they are happy to share what they have. It’s a matter of friendships formed with someone around the common love for God, not any human being. Love of the Master is a means to an end.
And so many false Gurus also.
People think blind obedience is Sant Mat when the Saints decried superstition and predjudice. Now in today’s world money is the new religion, and we have a culture that admires wealth more than compassion. A culture in RSSB that thinks spiritual wealth and worldly wealth are one and the same, when they are actually polar opposites.
And that’s why the advanced we overlook, they just seem like nobody to us.
The little Indian fat lady, we think is quaint. No one would think twice about her, let alone realize she is blazing brighter than ten thousand suns, God in the flesh, and ever deferring to her Master.
The sun comes up and people bump into each other begging to know where the sun is!

Hi Spence.
I know what you mean about the folks sitting in the back and blazing like suns and yes I agree about that and the money tied to spiritual wealths idea of todays world..in the world AND the sangats..
Well many times Ive sat in the back….the front as well and tried hard for that “good seat”..waited for hours for it back in the days where you could “work” your desired seating….it has its pleasure but as time went on the back !! was very nice simple and accommodating. Maturity steps in not necessarily advancement just balance….and no im not an advanced soul..its truly hard to judge where anyone( is ) and all the games people play in todays world.
Anyway the master Charan discussed the 6 month theory of the path I described. That was not my invention…
Good thoughts Spence thanks for sharing.
Chy

@Chy
Hadn’t thought of that….well at this time when I meditate its when the spirit pulls me may sit 10 minutes maybe over an hour. May do simran because its grooved into me but often I draw a blank of emptiness and time passes…..
Simran Grooved ….. wow
What you not mentioned here is Love
and it’s the main thing
Seek it and it comes often from gratitude
see if you have things to thank for
that You exist
take an old RS book where again he talks to you Sir
before sitting : one paragraph ( They all said that ). When the hair roots start itching. . . . Go there
Forget breath. forget vipasanna
Death will become extasy
777

“Compassion is the force that drives this creation.
The compassion to open all the centers to refugees.
Do you really think God does not have even that much compassion? ”
LOL are you an extremely heavy drinker and/or drug user? I don’t even know if this is about real refugees (who don’t need “centers” but they need your personal home to feel safe in mr compassion) but you’ve talked about wanting to import people to start a war in USA before so I guess it is.
“after we carpet bomb your people into dust and destroy your life, we’re showing our supreme compassion by forcing you out of your lands and into the USA where you’ll be used as political pawns by our mostly foreign occupied government. BECAUSE COMPASSION. A compassion so great that it’ll utterly destroy you. DO NOT FORGET TO TELL ME HOW GOOD OF A PERSON I AM”
Creating refugees is evil enough, asking them to leave their home is double evil, using them as your brown shield for your essentially global communist agenda is getting near perfect evil, never once expressing concern for all the damage they do to locals takes it one step beyond perfect, but then being an absolute psychopath and calling this long list of unnecessary evils a godlike compassion is something only… some really amazing people could have the nerve to say.
The new rule is that killing everyone everywhere is a great act of compassion resembling God as long as you let the few survivors come and get used for political points after the slaughter. From now on we can call this endless global war The Spencian Way.

“The sun comes up and people bump into each other begging to know where the sun is”
:::-))))
By Spence the philosopher…
Like the blind leading the blind theory…
To 777 and whoever.
Yes that meditation you have 10 minutes or an hour when the spirit pulls is wonderful.
Very good to hear you are doing that…
Me..I am not going into breath meditation…just quiet but I like to learn different theories on how the mind works during meditation…darkness gets a tad boring to say the least…imagination is much more interesting my neptunian friend..
Chy

Especially to rogue sevadars like you’ve alleged. Like Arjuna said. First one goes down, another one steps up, but the other 2 or 3 will back off.
But Osho is around 70 guys
7

“””. I don’t buy this. Osho phones the police because they withold his phone. “”””
Without a phone, . . you phoned. ….. ???
How can we believe
your other statemenets
Did U ever ask a question during Q&A. ???
and Brian , did U check that ?
77

777, he was already outside of the satsang. Maybe he borrowed someone’s phone? Possible isn’t it?

“Maybe he borrowed someone’s phone? Possible isn’t it?”
Or he just waited to call until he got his phone back. The whole order of events is unclear cause he wrote a bit erratically in a series of posts.
I’m more interested in this story than I am the financial stuff for now. Who needs television or soap operas when we have violent sevadar scandals.

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“after we carpet bomb your people into dust and destroy your life, we’re showing our supreme compassion by forcing you out of your lands and into the USA where you’ll be used as political pawns by our mostly foreign occupied government.”
Wait a minute. You can carpet bomb but you can’t shelter?
Something wrong there..

Jesse, yes, have to wait for Osho to spell out how the events unfolded. As for the other stuff, it’s working it’s way through the courts and as time goes on, at least for me, the less and less I’m interested in all this.
As you wrote, like a soap opera. Bigger and better things to experience in the world than worrying about what someone sitting on a stage is saying, let alone anything else surrounding it.

“Wait a minute. You can carpet bomb but you can’t shelter? ”
No, you shouldn’t carpet bomb people, but if you do that, you shouldn’t also add insult to injury by displacing entire populations, which is also considered genocide by the UN.
By definition, you support genocide. Ouch. Don’t do that.

Osho wrote
The police were already onsite the first day when my phone stolen. The police classify it as theft.
The second day, I did file it with the police immediately after it happened.
Isn’t it against the law to discuss an ongoing
juridical procedure? – Disn’t your lawyers tell you?
________________________
When I first came here
You and Mike Williams were the major agitators
apart from David Lane and Brian himself
and now you write :
“”” Babaji said to me the Sunday before
“Everything happens in hukam”
Nothing happens outside of the will.
So I fully accepted it as it was happening. “””
Congratulations Osho
It’s quite a difference!
7

–
x²=2
Somebody knows what X is?
7
–

Nobody with a rational mind can possibly justify that action.
This is premeditated, unprovoked assault.
Posted by: OshoRobbins | August 21, 2019 at 11:35 AM
You are a provocateur kind of terrorist who last year also
made havoc there ( or was it 2 years)
I trust next time the strip U naked in search of your 4 extra recording devices
MI6. might be of help to U to wire U
You are the Amritsar Sikhs versus Sawan incarnated
and although young , . . already a nasty old man!
So far from the independent free chapter
7

@LOL & Arjuna
https://www.kravmagaexpertsmarseille.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjw1_PqBRBIEiwA71rmtXujkVVvnxNTEQVAIqm8DN8gYHaDZ8071dNxxWiUz84Sf-G7WuJNbBoCM80QAvD_BwE
7
Serendipities are much stronger – LOL. <3

@Sweet Arjuna
I wonder : When actual forces find a meditating soldier in the field
like Jaimal Singh MaharaJI without permission did ( LOL )
Will troops still have Darshan
77

@Osho
It’s not easy 4me but I ask excuse 4too much nagging
Before All we are spiritual brothers with the same Father Charan and I cannot say
that my ego wouldn’t burst under your circumstances during years
See U in Satch Khand ( a non_time_space_Love _continuum )
🙂
777

777 wrote: “Somebody knows what X is?”
😀😀😀 Loved it totally !!
Wow, 777, Arjuna,
For those who didn’t get the complete context, it’s about the Soldier Saint: Jaimal Singh Ji,
when opponents came to capture Him, they saw He was attending to meditation in the middle of battleground,
they all got flabbergasted and sat aside Him awaiting for Him coming back to the senses and talk to them.
HE was a soldier saint (soami Ji dedicated a verse to Him as well mentioning “Sant Sipahi”)
Arjuna you are a soldier disciple.

“when opponents came to capture Him, they saw He was attending to meditation in the middle of battleground,
they all got flabbergasted and sat aside Him awaiting for Him coming back to the senses and talk to them.”
Added to my long list documenting things that never happened.

Another chosen one
First he had more public than Obama
Then he wanted the Nobel Price
Next he added it-self to Mount Rushmore
on Greenland. 🙂
Now it is Chosen One
the Messiah
What a difference
but so nice to see where ego goes
777

@ 777 hello
I get what you are writing but trust soolders today are a different breed.
I am a civilian now.

#posted by A FAN
“”””
Osho you say “Maharaj charan Singh said its best to stay away from satsang if it deteriorates to this level.
I may well take his advice”
Had you really taken his advice back then there wouldn’t have been any incidents between you and sevadars ever! “””
me:
Pls compare with Sawan’s remark:
Two friends decided to go Satsang
Underway A decided to better go to the brothel but B continued
A, in the Brothel during sex constantly thought about how he missed Darshan
B, sitting first row right before Huzur thought How pleasantly A might be sucked.
Then going home in the same car they both died in an accident
Which one would ascend to Sach Khand ( Huzur asked the audience )
N° B without any doubt
I like the story / parabel because it is so clear and refers to Oshos workings
777
But ofcourse the winner is my sister C. who was bewitched by the Darshan when God Himself gazed to her during a split-second
and She is still in the process of recovering of that lightning strike
that happened
after she had had 777 un-succesful meditations
Now they are easily Thoughtless by Giant Love

Correction , =correct
Which one would ascend to Sach Khand ( Huzur asked the audience )
N° A without any doubt
777

I have no injury. Only a pair of broken glasses. My nose hurt for a day but was okay the next day. Nobody else was hurt. It’s a minor incident. I don’t bear any grudge against any of the six sevadars.
Posted by: OshoRobbins | August 24, 2019 at 05:2
me:
Being initiated by Charan ( I guess) this was
only 1/50. of Osho’s deserved bad karma
Win-Win Situation 4U and what rests could have been meditated ‘off’
BTW: This is only true 4those who believe it!
777

@Oqho
Pls could U give us a complete precise overview of the happening
also from the previous day
Because after so much narrative I still ask myself
Did U record on Friday but nothing on your device
On saturday you tried again but were placed on a non-acoustic area
next the sevadars saw you were recording / adjustic the mike or so
next took yr device
next U left in the middle of Gurinders talk
All this is unclear and the narrative is only to your advantage
Pls be honest
7°

7–
Let’s solve the equation x²=2 for x…
x²=2
√x²=√2
x=√2
x = the square root of 2

Ha ha , . . You can’t

Babaji when asked states that nobody is ever enlightened because he would no longer be alive.
Posted by: OshoRobbins | August 24, 2019 at 08:07 AM
me:
Out of contexts bullshitt
It would by definition prevent the Almighty to be incarnated in a perfect way
The same error is being the only error in Guru Granth
“By the Grace of The All Pervading Purusha . . . . non Incarnated”
That should be INCARNATED
777
BTW
God is NOT enlightened, His IQ is Zero
Angels & Powers have 9^9^9
God knows only LOVE

@all
If you are in Purusha’s STATE,
wouldn’t it be fun to appear as a human
in All Your Glory
777

@Curious. refered to this lying newspaperIndia with:
“”” The criminal complaint alleges that the 43-year-old Shivinder “initiated” as well as “permitted this siphoning and malfeasance of funds entrusted to him with the ulterior motive of gaining ultimate control of the seat of the spiritual head of the Radha Soami Satsang Beas,” promised to him by Dhillon. The spiritual sect, founded almost 130 years ago and based on a commune in north India, boasts four million followers worldwide.
Malvinder, 46, claims the acquisitions of six debt-ridden companies by his brother were misrepresented as beneficial to the family’s holding company when in fact they had no value. Efforts to write off the guru’s debts to these companies are further eroding the value of the holding company, RHC Holding Pvt., according to the complaint. “””
Me:
First, as I said earlier
If one tries to sell God for monies, he devaluates the “Godship” to Zero and less
with such an offer
The price then should be Zero rupees and less
Second
Please read what Phil from the UK wrote and confirmed
His Grandfather gave Gurinder 10 Million $ without any condition
and he ( me too) thinks that that money went apart from Nepal (after a quake)
mainly was lend to the fantastic idea of Mohan,
to make money and help millions/later billions with cheap drugs
We are guessing that the verbal agreement was to pay it back with half the profits
Malvinder, the one who ressembles Charan accepted this
There is no penny of karma here, Only a Giant Good Karma
for helping a billion people against big pharma usurpers
Guru Granth/
“Countless the Usurpurers and those that steal”
Those who repeat that the Gaddi would be for sale are morons, idiotes, ignoramous & fools !!!
777