Open Thread 24 (free speech for comments)

Unexpected good from thr Pope
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Vaccination are BAD actually because of the chemicals providing LONG profit making expiration dates like AL & formaldehide <<. Pasteur didn't do that Therefore the dead & autistic toll to pay is 60 higher than150 tears ago 7. ❤️💜❤️ My idea is to force companies to manufacture short expiration periods

Osho, I do my own security in “The Khand House” and meditators aren’t allowed.
From what I can tell, meditation of the so-called sant mat variety creates egos too large to even fit into heaven. And I want my home to be chill. No brawling or “seva” of any kind.
I hear a lot of “”the” “mystics” say” stuff around here, but when I think about it, I can’t even remember any non-modern mystic really talking about meditation much. And this is especially true of the sorts of mystics from where RS has borrowed it’s theology and cosmology. It’s always a sort of convenient extrapolation from “sing and play music” that becomes “sit and focus your attention in the middle of your forehead endlessly and listen to the sounds created by your heart and blood vessels until you imagine it to be magical music from heaven.”
If baba gurinder were the real deal he wouldn’t tell anyone to burn the books. He’d commit sati and burn himself out of this world. Or at least go the route of Eddy Gordo and trip balls on LSD in the desert until he stops being such a fake persona.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5C6WMLxvdw

Impressions on the Mind (from the Spiritual Links)
In the glossary of Sultan Bahu karma is defined as follows:
Action; the law of action and reaction; the fruit or result of past thoughts, words and deeds; also new actions. Karmas are not only isolated acts beginning and ending in themselves, but form a stream of causation, each one being at once an effect and a cause. This stream leads to an unending cycle of births and deaths.
The law of karma is integral to the mind. Consequently the effects of karma are felt in all the regions of the creation where mind rules and is dominant. We generally equate this powerful force with the biblical law of “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth”, but this exacting principle is not necessarily a spiritual law; rather it was used to explain the law of retribution, where a person who had injured another person could be similarly injured in return.
Karma is not simply retaliation and retribution. It is more subtle and far-reaching than physical compensation alone, for it must also satisfy our sanskaras − the more binding aspects of our interactions. This is why Maharaj Charan Singh tells us that it is not the things themselves, but the reaction they produce on us that really matters. It is this reaction that creates the far-reaching and undetectable effects of karma that bind us to the creation and its inhabitants.
Sanskaras are the impressions or imprints left on the mind by experiences in previous lives. These impressions are accumulated and carried forward from life to life, and they determine the identity and quality of this life. When we look through a lens, everything we see is conditioned by the quality and function of the lens. Similarly, our sanskaras are the impressions that shape our current life; they are the lens through which we view the world around us, because they determine our nature, responses and states of mind. Everything we do or perceive is conditioned by these impressions. Simplistically put, two people will give very different accounts of what happened when witnessing the same event, because their individual sanskaras cause them to interpret aspects of the event in different ways.
Our actions and reactions, even our thinking and desires are constantly being conditioned and manipulated by our sanskaras, so that we react in a particular manner, or in a given situation we expect a certain result. It is such a subtle part of our thought process that we are not even aware of this mental conditioning.
Maharaj Charan Singh explains that sanskaras are tendencies resulting from past karmas.
Every experience and perception in life starts with a thought. Our thoughts, conditioned by our sanskaras, have a very powerful effect on us. Continually thinking in a particular way causes a deep groove in the mind, which we know as a habit. When we constantly mull over events, we embed the impression of those events into our minds.
The one-sided mental conversations we repeat ad nauseam are merely fabrications of our imagination, as are the imagined actions we repeat over and over to ourselves. The mental grooves formed by these fabrications leave new imprints on the subconscious mind.
This is clearly explained by Maharaj Charan Singh when he says:
The subconscious mind consists of whatever memory we have in this life – all our impressions that we have collected in this span of life. … It is not about past lives. But the mind is carrying all the past karmas, all the sinchit karmas.
Spiritual Perspectives, Vol. I
However, with right thinking, the correct use of simran and adopting the right lifestyle, we can and should clear many of these current impressions in this life.
These impressions and sanskaras are so subtle that we are unaware of them. We tend to view karma in terms of the physical aspects of our lives, such as our relationships, homes, careers and environment − the world we perceive through our five senses. We can relate to, emotionalize about, and feel these physical aspects of our existence, and we imagine that due to the strength of some of these associations, we are able to determine some kind of karmic pattern. But at this level we cannot know the outcome of past relationships, or the factors which may determine the seeds for future lives − if any! Karma is not simply our physical attractions and the literal explanation of the concept of ‘an eye for an eye’.
Maharaj Charan Singh clearly explains that it is the lasting and deeply engrained impressions on the mind that are far more binding. He tells us:
Individual karmas do not determine our future. It is the accumulated effect of those karmas that we have to go through. Not in the same way and not in the same kind. For example, if you have killed a thousand chickens in one life, you do not have to come back a thousand times to be killed by them. In one life, you can have a thousand pricks, painful pricks. And that will account for the killing of those chickens. So it can be cleared in many ways.
Spiritual Perspectives, Vol. I
By focusing on the physical, tangible side of karma, we often forget that our thoughts and desires are as binding as the physical aspects of our lives. The real far-reaching effects of karma are the impressions that lie beyond our physical interactions, as explained by Maharaj Charan Singh:
Sanskaras are deep impressions on the mind; karmas are actual actions that we have done. The desires we create in our mind − our wishes − they create deep impressions on our mind, and then actually they become karma for the next birth.
Spiritual Perspectives, Vol. I
We need to be far more conscious of our thinking because this habit, this deep groove of repetitive thinking, becomes the basis of our desires, and our desires create our suffering. We are familiar with this because it is something we experience in this life. We may not know the original seed that sprouted the desire, but we are certainly aware of the effect − whether it is joy or suffering − that results from it. Maharaj Charan Singh writes:
All these desires are nothing but strong thoughts. These strong desires − even if no action follows − they are all grooves on our mind. And those grooves pull us back.
Spiritual Perspectives, Vol. I
The mind is not looking only for satisfaction. It is very effectively performing its duty of making us act according to the impressions and tendencies created for this life. In this respect it is truly a faithful servant, dissipating all its energies outwardly. It doesn’t think about its own source unless the impression is there, and that is the purpose of our simran and our meditation – to create the spiritual impressions that pull the mind inward. The Master gives us the opportunity, but it is up to us whether we use it or not. In Mysticism, The Spiritual Path, the author, in his definition of kriyaman karma, clearly indicates that we have this choice:
This is that action which a person performs by his free will. When it is left to him to determine what he will do, and what course of action he will adopt, when it is within his control to decide one way or another, then it is known as Kriyaman karma.
This means that within the scope of our limited free will, we can choose to either sow impressions of spirituality or to continue sowing worldly impressions. An understanding of the subtle aspects of karma should make us conscious of this and of the incredible gift the Master gives us when he initiates us and gives us our simran.
When done correctly, simran nullifies our worldly thinking. It eases out the deep grooves already created on the mind by not reinforcing them, and they lose their effect. Simran also changes what we think about. By turning our thinking toward spirituality, we think less about the world and our desires, thus creating fewer worldly impressions that would need to be satisfied. The Masters tell us that the effects of these impressions can be cleared by our meditation. The power of simran is that it changes our desires by changing our thought processes. To explain how simran cleans our thoughts, Baba Ji uses the example of red ink dropped into a glass of water: if we keep adding clean water to the glass the water will eventually become clear.
It’s up to us whether we do simran during the day or not. If we forget to do our simran, we cannot blame the Master. After all it is we who create the binding impressions. It is our choice. It would be to our advantage to follow the Master’s advice and use our simran to change the impressions we embed in the mind. Simran directs us to spirituality, and these spiritual impressions lead us to the Master.
Volume 10 · Issue 4
https://www.rssb.org/2014-04-07.html

@Jesse
Shockingly U may have uttered some truth
by saying meditations might enforce egos
The making of films during ( what is ) contemplation might do that
However real meditation is when No Thoughts are present
That can only be achieved while in Love
Any 13 yrs old will admit
even Brian would say he had some love
777. ❤️
keep the vertebrae straight UP

Someone earlier had posted a message about the world having burned, had not there been sants/saints in the world.
Again, I don’t know what to think.
As I look around our oceans are rising and full of pollution. Earth is sinking and laden with toxins, Amazon is burning. Countless species are disappearing at exponential rate. Yet there is no shortage of sants today.
As the saying goes, “turnover any brick in India, you can find a sant.”
Maybe a review of job description or continuing education is needed???
Posted by: Di | September 03, 2019 at 05:34 PM
me:
The Job it : take some jeevas with Love
and affect all that is hindering this
Just after predicting by HIS Grace , the CA earth quake Richter_pricisely and 2 hours before it happened
I stated that HE prevented the moron pushing the red button
having effect without the codes
which had effectively pleased Kal but was just somewhat tomuch
on/in this prison planet
It would have affected HIS diciples and HIS Plans !
Aparently there are few disciples in the amazon rain forests
777
Don’t forget that all misery is created by the victim(s) him/herself
( Life is Fair )
and given (even by Kal) in the most benign way generating effect
of regret about the harm that was done
That is the Law everywhere, always
So, when the Almighty showers His Grace on behalf of a certain disciple
the others might feel some of the Grace too
Expecting a lot of cold showers , . . . earth is giantly suitable to
learn compassion

Jesse wrote: ” Or at least go the route of Eddy Gordo and trip balls on LSD in the desert until he stops being such a fake persona.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5C6WMLxvdw“
Hahaha, most excellent!
Hundreds of satsangis and ex-satsangis, centuries of accumulated “meditation”, hundreds of thousands of words of pseudo-spiritual dogmas & concepts parrot-written (probably in this thread alone! 🙂 on this blog.
And, finally, something genuinely spiritual & authentic is presented. And it is posted by Jesse. Oh my. Oh dear.
Okay folks, now back to your fawning, oohing and ahhing, clamouring over cassette tape recordings of childish REM dream states stumbled into accidentally after decades of the dreary meditation practice of RS, as if they are unique, special states which prove something about the theology and dogma of RS, rather than the most basic and superficial level of “inner experiences” possible, and damning of how profoundly ineffectual the practice is for such basic, simplistic & plainly “mayaic” experiences to be held in such high esteem…….
I mean, Jeezus, here is an experience somebody had on their FIRST (or perhaps second) attempt at lucid dreaming, so about 10 mins of “practice”. Imagine if this EXACT same experience happened to a RSSB satsangi after 30 years of meditating 3 hours a day? One can only wonder if there would be a movie to accompany the cassette tapes and books which would no doubt be in huge demand from the sangat?:
“I realised I was dreaming……I rose through black sky that blended
to indigo, to deep purple, to lavender, to white, then to very bright
light. All the time I was being lifted there was the most beautiful
music I have ever heard. It seemed like voices rather than
instruments. There are no words to describe the JOY I felt……..It
was a long, slow slide back to wakefulness with the music echoing in
my ears. The euphoria lasted several days; the memory, forever.”
A reader’s account after basic experimenting with lucid dreaming found in Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming by Stephen LaBerge

Has anyone been watching this interview that David Lane has been putting on youtube in like 10 different parts over the past week or so?
If you had any belief in anything radha soami related, those videos should kill the remaining belief.
David seems to approach all this stuff from a very gullible vantage point where everyone should be taken at their word. In one of his writings he mentions how these gurus may not have all the magical powers ascribed to them, but nevertheless they soar above us all in their super consciousness or whatever he called it. All I see is people saying they saw something supernatural with no further evidence provided, and a bunch of old Indian men talking about nothing and using honorifics in great excess. Then David accepts their stories and pays great attention as if he’s never met Indians before and isn’t aware that they all have a friend with a cousin who has an aunt who saw a ghost once, and that the friend now claims to have seen the ghost too. Substitute ghost with whatever supernatural item you like.
There’s nothing to see here. Religion is vapid.

Hi SP
Appreciate your posting the lengthy excerpt from Spiritual Links encouraging meditation, and explaining that Karmas are not directly actions but the impressions (sanskaras) they, and thoughts, make on the mind, both conscious and unconscious. The sinchit is the accumulated impressions, the Sanskaras, on the mind. And all Karma is of the mind.
I believe earlier you wrote that you didn’t believe this, that Karmas were actions, and you had felt my claim that they were impressions on the mind was a novel interpretation which you had not seen in the Sant Mat literature. So I referred you to Spiritual Perspectives, including Maharaji’s quote which you have also cited above.
A thought occurred to me that you had claimed earlier that you don’t meditate.
Can you help explain the posting of this passage encouraging meditation and your own decision not to meditate?

One of the saddest things to experience is to read these comments by Osho who is still under the impression that these “spiritual” “masters” have something to say that isn’t on the surface, and that if only people were prepared to truly understand and realize the truth that he has realized, then they would finally understand!
It literally makes me depressed, as in I physically respond in a negative way to this level of self deceit being expressed publicly and without shame or any kind of obvious mental illness that would maybe prevent one from not understanding how absurd their beliefs are. I cringe less seeing a fat naked drunk puking in the road than when I read this sad stuff about how much radha soami gurus have to teach.
It’s 1000 times easier to understand a normal satsangi because there’s a theology there and a framework of beliefs for them to get lost in. But Osho, you truly believe in the gurus, and not the teachings. You’re like an idolator but there’s not even a mystery in your idols. They’re shysters. At least a stone doesn’t straight up lie to your face. Reading the comments about how Gurnder is your friend reminds me of the crowds who’d form outside John Gottis court trials and scream how they loved him. They’d tell the media how he was such a good guy, and he was just like them. He even gave to charity!
I hope you one day realize that you’ve realized nothing, and that you’re just taking part in Punjabiyat and nothing more. That’s all it is. Nothing wrong with it, but it’s not spiritual realization of oneness or anything else at all. It’s shared beliefs and interests. It’s a culture. And the man and old book worship part of it sucks ass.

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“I hope you one day realize that you’ve realized nothing, and that you’re just taking part in Punjabiyat and nothing more. That’s all it is. Nothing wrong with it, but it’s not spiritual realization of oneness or anything else at all.”
Difficult to say. Osho definitely experienced something. Same with David and his wife. And Brian Ji. And 777, and Manjit, and Mediator, and even Georgy, and even Jesse.
But how people articulate their personal experience is another matter. Personal experiences are subjective. Something objective is there. Something fuels the mind, and the mind tries to make something of it. We either accept the fuzzy nature of it and in a career of meditation or spiritual or scientific pursuit try to get closer to it, so that our picture is more objective, better defined. Or we make a career of rejecting that internal experience / awakening / understanding as a hallucination. Finding some connection to a philosophy or a religion we may seek to find legitimacy and even to express it.
There is a theme here that seems to me somewhat consistent in those promoting spirituality, the Master, RSSB or any spiritual organization, and those who roundly criticize these as false. And that is the very human need to find justifications for one’s personal experience.
I like the idea that we can’t read each other’s minds, can’t project our interpretation on someone else’s experience with any actual evidence, since we can’t get into their heads and experience what they experience.
That’s my experience. People doing that with the result they justify cruelty, oppression, sweat shops, slavery, and even gas chambers.
It’s wrong. But I understand why people can’t help doing it.
Or maybe I don’t. I can’t get into someone else’s experience. That’s theirs.

But, Jesse,…..
I suspect what keeps us here, is the nagging facts of both inner and outer experience within each of us, and our effort to resolve one by denying the other. That’s endless.
My position is that there is truth to both, and our ability to reconcile these only has hope in allowing for the apparent contradictions, accepting both as legitimate in ways we may not yet understand, but knowing we don’t have the full story.
To be a student is really to integrate through learning, what is inside of us.

… And that is a simple plan. To accept our own views as reflecting our own nature and where we are today, legitimate for today, but as incomplete.
And understanding at least our own next step in our own development to more fully realize who we are… Whether that is of a spiritual nature, a scientific nature, an intellectual nature, a worldly nature of action, or a poetic nature of gentle expression, a nature that builds with concrete blocks, another that builds castles with the mind, even an imaginative nature. These all have legitimacy. They have survived evolution, honed by it. They reflect different personality and mental types.
If Darwin is right, each has its place and purpose, each developed over so many millennia.

–google:
777 piet site:http://hinessight.blogs.com
777 vivaldi site:http://hinessight.blogs.com
About meditation ( stop the inner dialogue )
Why you think 48 years ago
I wrote a recommended letter to Charan
Stating “Now I have You, I don’t need God anymore”
777. ❤️
….. and HE is still with both of us
–

Spence, try to go 5 minutes without dropping holocaust propaganda into your posts sometime. There were real tragedies in WW2, lots of people died, and none of them in “gas chambers.” And Darwin, too. No need to talk about Darwin or Einstein ever. From now on use Tesla and Arabs being slaughtered by your guys in Israel when you want to drop tragedies into sentences for no reason.
People here have no problem saying “this master can get you to sach khand/onenes” but that master can’t. This spiritual method is good to assist in “realization” but that one isn’t. I’m realized, he’s not realized.
I’m saying it’s all lying. Not only is nobody here or anywhere realized in the ways described (and if they are it’s observably of no use to them in any way at all) but they also have no ability to discern between the strengths and weaknesses of others paths.
And the reason I don’t buy their ability to discern is because they prove they can’t discern between anything else. Finer perception sort of implies that one would even better understand the grosser things. But the arrogant spiritualist doesn’t have this ability. The big mouth realized ones almost always know the nature of the absolute and all the details of human consciousness, but can’t tell if someone is angry or sad or if they’re gonna get beat up or anything else. Not knowing anything, they lean on the crutch of the “realization” proclamation.
The 100% disabled kid still finds some who are convinced that he’ll find his special talent one day, even as he sits in a wheel chair drooling onto his shirt, unable to speak, unable to eat, and unable to control his bodily movements. Humoring all of the realization mumbo jumbo is akin to saying “maybe the kid who can’t even hear me right now will grow up to be a poet some day.” It’s nothing but coping and hoping and wishing that others would cope and hope with you.

Spence, one can do what one wants, the possibilities are endless and for that very reason, one can only know what one has done … nothing more.
There is no self to know.
The crow, whatever he does in life, dies as he was born, a crow.
He doesn´t get to know nothing about being a crow by acting as a crow.
I don´t inderstand why anybody, needs to know about souls, gods etce .
To drink my coffee all that so called knowledge is useless and whatever knowledge one acquires it is all `fake knowledge` to speak with Trump … based on HEAR-SAY of the few people in history that “hear voices”.
If there is something divine it is a witness of his own creation, like mystics are just witnesses of their own experience and himans of their senses, thoughts etc.

Jesse you wrote
“Spence, try to go 5 minutes without dropping holocaust propaganda into your posts sometime..”
I’m sorry I can’t do that. Most of my relatives were killed in the camps.
The few that survived came here before the war. It’s part of my socialization.
What is to you casualty dismissed as propaganda was the tragedy that resulted from another campaign of propagandal to dismiss the right to live of other human beings. Which I was reminded of throughout childhood, and why very few places on earth hold for me the hope of finding the tree of my family’s history beyond grandparents. It’s gone.
Your willingness to make statements about others spirituality from long distance is as poorly evidenced as theirs for an afterlife.
Your right to swing your club ends where my nose begins.
But it’s never stopped you. You are the counterbalance to religious fanaticism, but it is just a different fanaticism.

Hi Um
You wrote
“I don´t inderstand why anybody, needs to know about souls, gods etce .
To drink my coffee all that so called knowledge is useless and whatever knowledge one acquires it is all `fake knowledge` to speak with Trump … based on HEAR-SAY of the few people in history that “hear voices”.
Yes, until you have experiences that defy explanation. Then it is natural to try to understand that, and language becomes a means.
But that language is always culture bound.
Where people get into trouble is explaining rather than exploring. Tomorrow the context will be different.
Exploring is my passion.

Spence, Ofcourse, …… if one has an experience one has to deal with it,
like everybody that has,
nightmares,
lucid dreams,
voices in the head,
sounds in the head,
dreams,
NDE,
thoughts in geberal
etc etc etc.
But to make others, even the whole world, part of ones personal experiences, experiences that cannot be shared by others, is what it is all about.
The spread the word of mystic experiences, that develop into religions is the issue at hand.
Whole generations and millions of people trapped in believes, the which the have no understanding where they came from, binding them by fear to those in power.

” I was reminded of throughout childhood”
The word is indoctrinated.
Typhus killed a lot of people thanks to the allied forces bombing supply routes and murdering German civilians for your benefit.
But back to the point. You know NOTHING about spirituality. Just like everyone else here. You are coping and the only ones who don’t recognize the dishonesty in it all are those who also need supernatural teddy bears and baby blankets to hold onto.

Spence.
It’s all subjective. The mind creates a lot of illusions. Forget the fairies at the bottom of your garden and learn to see where you are. A crappy rock hurtling through space.
I have seen conflict it hardens you to see people as they really are. I am now out of that arena and more lost than ever. But I ain’t chasing a man who people think is God.
People should keep their subjective crap to them selves and yes I believe you have experiences – it’s all your own mind.
Sorry but I agree with Jesse’s in his last post. Chill man and try some fine wine and a cigar. You need it most after reading your posts.

Jesse,
You wrote
“You know NOTHING about spirituality. Just like everyone else here. You are coping and the only ones who don’t recognize the dishonesty in it all are those who also need supernatural teddy bears and baby blankets to hold onto.”
Imagine, as a thought experiment, that you are really saying this to yourself, but in this form of accusation of the “other” person, you are able to get the words out to someone tangible, when the real “other” , Jesse, you are speaking to with absolute certainty, but maybe a little anxiety that you might be wrong, is that hidden, annoying subconscious mind, vague and subjective, that you wish would go away, but isn’t going away. And which, by his invisibility, refuses to listen and never answers directly.
The very boldness of your words to someone you don’t know about something you haven’t experienced, is your own accuser.
But that’s OK. We all have to reconcile with him or her in some way.

Hi Um
You wrote
“But to make others, even the whole world, part of ones personal experiences, experiences that cannot be shared by others, is what it is all about.”
Everyone can and should share their experiences. What makes religion wrong is that it tries to create a caste system of levels when all these inner regions are within everyone.
Not everyone is born to be a soccer player. We each have our conditioning, genetics and biology. But many people, perhaps most, can play in their own backyard, or at the local park, even in a wheel chair.
These are part of the human experience. They are real in so far as they are part of the perceptual experience of some.
Once you put aside that caste system, then it’s just an experience, a condition, a practice.
And then we can get down to discussing it, like playing tennis, so that those who would like to get better at it can get support for their own journey, however their journey takes them.

Hi Arjuna
You wrote
“It’s all subjective. The mind creates a lot of illusions. Forget the fairies at the bottom of your garden and learn to see where you are. A crappy rock hurtling through space.”
The crappy rock world, where demons battle warriors, and the garden where unicorns sip at ponds where fairies swim and play is the same world. One is as real as the other.
You pick the one you wish to live in.
Or work to build one suited to your tastes.

Spence, among the many things I was taught and still remember was .. it will supprise you ..
“Don’t go out of your way to help people or change the world, but if somebody asks you for help, do help.”
Politicians, idealists, reformers and the like who believe that things and people can be changed for the better, have been the cause of almost all misery that is recorded in history books.
If “better” is not forced on people, the suggestion makes them miserable.

Keep cope proselytizing Spence. Won’t help you a bit to feign confidence.
The difference between you and I is that I passed beyond your position long ago.

This seems to be such a strange world and I can understand how people like to have some kind of faith and something to believe in but the actual facts of life on this planet are very unsettling.
………………..
I never thought I’d see the Australian rainforest burning. What will it take for us to wake up to the climate crisis?
Right now there are about 80 fires in Queensland and a further 60 blazes raging through New South Wales.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/10/i-never-thought-id-see-the-australian-rainforest-burning-what-will-it-take-for-us-to-wake-up-to-the-climate-crisis

3 things that don’t resolve your predicament or spare you from the probable hell fire we’ll all experience thanks to the eternal oneness of the creators unified sadism.
1. Artfulness and beauty
2. Logic
3. Humility, especially the pretensious kind
Considering that we can’t figure out the basics of earthly phenomenon, what makes any of us think we can even begin to discuss what is beyond all this?
Have you ever heard of someone so stupid they couldn’t figure out addition but manages to learn trigonometry simply by osmosis from a few poems?

“What will it take for us to wake up to the climate crisis?”
We have 2 options, Jen. We go back in time and undo the industrial revolution and also somehow make it impossible to happen in the future. And we’ll have to also learn to manage the entire universe in such a way that the natural climatic cycles of the earth cease and none of the extreme climates that are not man made ever come back.
No more ice ages. No more continental drift. No solar flares. It’ll be tough. But we’ll do it with mantras.
The other thing we can do is embrace all the things we are blaming for creating the idea of climate ie technology, and use it to send celebrities to distant planets where they’ll create utopias out of the technology they claim is killing everything. If they can outrun time and move to new galaxies every time they destroy a planet or a Sun burns out, they could keep us all alive for bazillions of years!

Hi Jesse,
You say “We go back in time and undo the industrial revolution and also somehow make it impossible to happen in the future.”
Well, you are talking to the right person. I am a time traveller. Not really interested in saving this planet though. Celebrities have lots of money but not sure whether they have the power. Being kept alive for bazillions of years sounds horrifying. I’ve already looked into the future and its horrible, gotta reincarnate on a better planet somewhere 😉

Hi Um
You write
“If “better” is not forced on people, the suggestion makes them miserable.”
Everything is changing, evolving, Um. Nothing stays the same.
” He who isn’t busy being born is busy dying.”
Bob Dylan
It’s already happening. We are changing with or without our awareness and consent. But we can make a conscious choice and effort to choose the direction, to some extent. We may have to take very small steps, but we can take that next one.

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“The difference between you and I is that I passed beyond your position long ago.”
It’s not a competition, Jesse. It’s not a race.
My position is in a different space. Not on a linear track. We don’t live in a linear, one dimensional line. We live in a universe.
We exist in at least three dimensions simultaneously, four including time, and more including consciousness. So terms like ‘beyond’ or ‘behind’ are not applicable.
In the dimension of time we occupy the same spot. You and I are neither ahead nor behind each other. Indeed outside of time you and I are not in a specific spot at all, but are each a universe of thoughts and ideas and experiences loosely connected if at all. In the full reality of this creation we actually overlap and share much of the same space. What is beyond or behind is relative to which part of the creation your mind occupies. And which aspect of you or I one is considering.
Try to view things from a larger perspective.
The higher you go, the closer together we appear. Until we are just two grains of sand on a very large beach.

The holocaust happened, no propaganda to it. The systematic and planned genocide of 6 million ppl for no reason other than their ethnic background – its abhorrence cannot be denied or downplayed in any way. There will never be any defense for its outright wickedness and the untold misery it caused. If 6 million English or American citizens (including women and children) had been executed in such a manner , I suspect no one would be speaking German today – it would’ve been razed from the map along with most of its inhabitants.

… try to go 5 minutes without dropping holocaust propaganda into your posts sometime. There were real tragedies in WW2, lots of people died, and none of them in “gas chambers.”

This statement is beneath contempt.
P.S.
I believe revisionist tripe like this is illegal in Germany. It should be
here as well.

Jesse wrote: “The 100% disabled kid still finds some who are convinced that he’ll find his special talent one day…..”
This really was an exceptionally cowardly, ignorant and abhorrent comment to make to anyone, but most especially to somebody who has so beautifully, touchingly & vulnerably shared their experiences with their own disabled child on this blog. Even for you Jesse, even for you. Have a word with yourself mate.
Moving past that typically Jesse-style cheap & lazy comment, I think there is an important issue raised here in these plainly grounded-in-ignorance comments.
Arjuna wrote in support of Jesse’s comments: “It’s all subjective. The mind creates a lot of illusions………People should keep their subjective crap to them selves………..it’s all your own mind……Chill man and try some fine wine and a cigar.”
Yes, it’s “all in the mind”. Everything, absolutely everything, is “all in the mind”. Yes!
Fear, insecurity, inferiority complexes, the view that creation & existence is meaningless, sexual frustrations, the causes of “toxic masculinity”, the urge to violence, insatiable greed, jealousy, the urge to take mind-numbing and body-destroying intoxicants like alcohol, depression, nihilism, hate, anger, the belief there is no “God”, the belief that “I” exist etc etc etc.
ALL “just” in the mind, folks, nothing to see here!!
The point is, in some people’s mind, and hence reflected in their entire reality within and without, IS fear, insecurity, nihilism, a sense of meaninglessness etc So overwhelming are the illusions of “just” the mind, that these people even begin to think that these “subjective” mental fabrications ARE an accurate and objective evaluation of reality itself!!! Such is the power of the mind. Who can escape it’s snares?
Likewise, in that disabled child’s mind, and those of their loved ones, there may be an intense appreciation for life, love for family, deep joy & happiness in the smallest things, living in & appreciating each moment. Perhaps, just perhaps, they have an ever deeper capacity to appreciate Love than most human beings, who’s egos are girded by the mental illusions of wealth and health. I hope even the most cynical & materialist of us here at least have an inkling that the currency of Love is priceless. Which could make that disabled child the richest person on earth, at least in their “own mind”.
When somebody like Jesse judges this existence, it is only in his own mind that judgement holds any “reality”. The reality in the “mind” of the disabled child may be a heaven, whilst Jesse’s “mind” (as he has self-admitted) may be a hell. Remember, it’s “all just in the mind”, folks!
In regards the nature of “mystical” or “spiritual” experiences, it is clear that the comments like those of Jesse or Arjuna are REALLY saying is “I haven’t had this experience, I do not understand, and because I do not understand on any level, I doubt, pour scorn, dismiss” etc. This is fair enough, this is natural. The mind is a funny old thing and can create the most strange intellectual loops of circular thought. And, the ego mind always seeks to assert it’s own reality. It knows nothing else, it literally IS it’s own reality. Yes, “it’s all just in the mind”.
I, for ONE, am eternally grateful, in perpetual respect and reverence, for all those who came before me and shared their experiences, their life stories, their practices, their thoughts and interpretations of those experiences. I bow at their feet, all the way back to Buddha and beyond. The universe made it so these people would share their experiences, perhaps even create corrupted and cruel religious systems around their teachings, control systems for the masses. But those who are meant to separate the wheat from the chaff do so, they see reflected in the esoteric teachings and descriptions their own experiences, as well as signposts and pointers to evolve those experiences. We do not live in a vacuum, and we do not reinvent the wheel every time we go for a drive. We stand on the shoulders of giants in many ways.
Due to the many hundreds if not thousands of people who have shared their own experiences and findings, it has helped me reach my own “heaven”, surely “just in the mind”, no doubt (let’s skip the almost perpetual paranormal experiences which demonstrate an “objective” connection between mind and the universe “out there”, surely beyond the scope of this discussion). I bow at the feet of all these guides.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not talking about Pakhand Babas, those who’ve probably never had any significant mystical life or experiences that we know of, are considered “mystics” merely because they’re born in such and such a family, those who have never shared any personal experiences either from the “inner” or from their early life and seekings, those pakhand babas that are talking about lofty ideals of purity on one side of their mouth whilst commiting fraud on obscene scales, have cronies making death threats to people etc. This is not mysticism.
It is sad that many here seem to think either pakhand babas must be real, or the whole “mystical experience” thing must be bollocks.
Very sad indeed.

Do our present day lives need God or Spirituality after all.
Perhaps No ( by most). Especially those who tread lives on logics and are strong willed.
Its only in worst times or sudden loss or due to fear of elimination of our identity through death of body ( always due to some reason but surely) that one compulsively believes in God to take care prospectively. None of us whether an atheist or a believer is an exception to this.
What next. Think over and over…
That each . one of us is in unforeseen trouble, GIHFs,.included
But GIHF who is/ are available now are not only clear on this but may have already ascended past death and wish us to walk into their footsteps through trust in them and meditation.
Should we believe them.
We have no other fair place or shoulder
to hang on to to escape…
We are absolutely helpless now therefore and must take concrete steps to avert which is already due.
Unfortunately some of us have to trust One ,(present RSSB Master ) whose worldly profile seems tainted and some may have replaced trusts.

The difference between you and I is that I passed beyond your position long ago. — Posted by: Jesse | September 14, 2019 at 03:09 PM
Wouldn’t “you and me” be better ?
💜

Hello Meditator,
Tragedies, strife, human suffering but only then the true remembrance of HIM by mankind.
And
Many a times its in bad times that belief in God or one’s Master crumbles .
Incomprehensible are many of HIS ways

Thank you Manjit.

Yes Dungeness. We should ban free speech because people are sad and weak. Cambodians suffered 1000 times worse in the Khmer Rouge killing fields but didn’t make 500 movies to show in grade school, so we can only question the numbers and methods Pol Pot etc. I agree. You’re really really smart and I respect your thoughtful opinion, Dungeness.
And Manjit, you elderly chap, you scholar, I never judged any person with a disability. I judge liars like you who use them as a shield and liars who mock their situation by pretending like their condition doesn’t exist. You’re the one with no morals. Not me. I never once have felt the need to quote from the news to ascertain right from wrong.
There are still head hunter tribes on earth today. Hopefully all of you here who like to cry in public to prove how you’re aligned with television morality find yourself in that sort of paradigm where reciting from the news earns nothing.
“Toxic masculinity.” I hope hell us real and those who use that word end up there. We need more Guru Gobind Singh, less Nanak.
Continue with the mystical jabbering now, people. Back to pretending you are on a path to finding truth.

I got no problem with fair speech. If someone wants to advocate a controversial or ignorant view, fine with me. Doesn’t mean that view is right or worth a bucket of horsemanure, and I will say so, but I got no problem with it being put forward.
What boggles my mind tho is why holocaust deniers and sparrow entanglers can have their say on this here forum, but I’m banned. Makes no sense.

Jesse–
How about the moon landings and heliocentrism? Are they a lie too, because you haven’t been to space and seen firsthand? Were you in Cambodia to witness the killing fields? So why BELIEVE the Khmer Rouge systematically killed 3 million of its own countrymen on ideological grounds but NOT believe the Nazis systematically killed 6 million Jews plus 5 million non-Jews also on ideological grounds? Why believe tens of millions more civilians and soldiers died in WW2? Why believe WW2 happened at all? Answer: books, newspapers, film, archives, interviews. In short, the media! Now it’s one thing to argue media bias or to condemn Israel on violence against Palestinians (contradicting yourself all the while by celebrating the clash of cultures in theory and ridiculing peaceniks as stupid hippies!) but quite another to deny reality in favor of naked, racist, antisemitic tropes.

Anami, the Khmer Rouge evidence is massive piles of skulls. The holocaust evidence is piles of shoes and holy wood movies. As for the moon, it’s weird that NASA claims to have “forgotten” the technology, but I have no opinion. I’m sure when it’s illegal to investigate the world will be a paradise.
I’m not saying people weren’t killed by the way. I’m in agreement with the likes of David Cole and Norman Finkelstein who your antisemitic ass along with the antisemite Dungeness want to be silenced for investigating history. But you don’t and won’t get it because you’re stupid. Don’t talk at me anymore. I hate stupid people.
And Georgy, you’re obviously not banned since here you are posting here right now. I don’t care if I’m kicked off any forum at all, especially for speaking against stupid hoaxes.
6 million people precisely died every few years according to the media (link below). It didn’t start in the 1940s. Super convenient and funny how millions have died in the middle east at the behest of these supposed holocaust victim champions of human rights and nobody dare try to stop it. The same cowards like you all saying we can’t investigate history are also saying we can’t say Jews are killing millions of Arabs via proxy wars and bribed sanctions.
Long Live Modi. Long Live Nasarallah. Long Live Al Assad. Long Live Putin.
https://youtu.be/Qpa-3IuAJwc

Anami,
Things are what they are
but seldom what they look like,
let alone how they are portrayed.
The way we came to learn about WWII in Europe, and our colonial history, in school and through the media, if we would live under a totalitarian regime, could certainly be characterized as “party propaganda”.
There is much more to the last war then the bare facts.
Which facts are shown and stressed, which not and for what reason.

There is no ‘interpretation’ around the holocaust. It happened, end of. Same as the moon landings.
People have devoted their entire lives to research it. It’s one of the most heavily documented events in history. There are certain events which are just evil and genocide of a civilian group is about as bad as it gets. Investigate whatever you want – it’s been investigated to death already. There is nothing at all you can contribute to this area.
Any other viewpoint on this issue is either from a conspiracy theorist or an anti Semite – both of which have highly questionable links to reality anyway.
For someone who seems to pride himself on his intelligence and grasp of reality – what a completely stupid position to take. Frankly I’m amazed.

@ jesse hello
I would ignore Georgy Porgy. I would like to meet this individual.
All the best

Yes, Um, and that same line of thinking applies to literally everything. Far beyond foggy ideas about history and into the “hard sciences” there are beliefs being created that we accept without knowing the motives behind the research being done.
It seems nobody here has ever done a search for terms such as “fake peer review” to see how far the rabbit hole goes. There was a lot of sensational news over the past few years about how much absurd “science” was being passed on as legit, but the implications of what it means has yet to settle in to the public’s mind. Everyone’s too busy looking for emotional comfort instead of ceasing to believe in things.
Everyone here should read Herman andChomsky’s Manufacturing Consent. Then stop pretending you have morals.

Yep, I’ve read about 3 or 4 of Chomsky’s books, but there’s only so much one can learn from academics. Thanks for the suggestion but I’m way past that stage.
Peer review is primarily used in the context of scientific papers. You don’t need peer review for the holocaust – what do you think the gas chambers and ovens were for? A rodent infection or maybe a bbq amongst SS chums. Gdamnit – and this is meant to be the American intelligentsia. Gd help us all.
Then you got big baby Arjuna who needs a cuddle or a slap to set him straight, not sure which one is better for him at this point in time.

Jesse
You wrote
“Everyone here should read Herman andChomsky’s Manufacturing Consent.”
The problem is that each must choose carefully what to believe. And everyone can manufacture information to support their own beliefs. Your standard leads you to consistently accept information that supports racism, antisemitism, and prejudice against those who have significant neurological impairment. And to ignore the testimony of thousands of eye – witnesses, and even the fact that those with disabilities are still human beings. Your choices reflect your character, Jesse.
The deaths in the camps from typhus resulted from taking millions from their homes and placing them in the camps. Those deaths would never have happened had Hitler not enslaved the Jews. But he enslaved his entire country, with their consent.
The poverty in the camps is the poverty of Germany funding a war effort in midst of poverty veven while their business investments went belly up after the 1929 stock market crash.
Hitler made a huge deal about the Treaty of Versailles war reparations debts after WWI, but the facts are that Germany wasn’t paying that bill at all. And no European country complained. Churchill wrote that no one expected payment. It was a political statement. And Germany wasn’t paying.
What they were doing in the 1920’s was what the rest of the world was doing. They took leveraged loans investing heavily in the New York stock exchange, and the crash is what threw Germany into an even deeper poverty than the devastation of WWI.
But Hitler responded by building a huge and expensive war machine, taking the whole country, not just Jews, out of productive work.
Hitler chose racism and hatred, rather than humility and hard work. He may have killed millions of people (the total figure is 25 million for WWII) but he started by disabling his own economy, in part by responding to the crash by blaming Jews and limiting Jewish business; moving the remaining workforce to weapons and roads; and then, taking Jews from their homes, taking all their property, and throwing them into concentration camps. He took millions of people from the work force, put them into prison, and with that the obligation to feed, clothe and shelter them at a time when Germany could I’ll afford it. Hence they had no blankets or heat in the dead of winter, no healthcare, and millions died of starvation and disease. Had he left them in their homes, in the workforce, they would have had their coats and blankets, their homes.
The gas chambers were Hitler’s solution to the problem of housing, feeding and clothing the Jews after having stolen their existing homes, clothes and livelihoods, along with their civil and human rights, and inevitably, their lives.
I’ve spoken directly with eye – witnesses. Including Christian German soldiers, and even Christian German farmers supplying food to the camps. They have their witness of the smoke from the stacks burning day and night all the dead bodies; of trains rolling in with thousands week after week. The ovens burning night after night, and no one coming out.
I did my homework Jesse. Churchill saw the German war machine growing. He tried to use economic sanctions to head off war, but this only exacerbated the problem and encouraged crazy Hitler.
All anyone had to do is read Hitler’s speeches to see his hatred and bigotry. He brought economic ruin to his country. Hatred, invasion, war, are not answers.
It’s OK. We start where we are. But rather than defend a fixed position, why not take an open minded approach to learning and growing your view.
Brian Ji’s minimum condition for holding a perspective as Truth has always been that it can be tested and proven wrong. That requires a willingness to investigate and gather information for yourself, and then to verify it.
Please do a little more research, with an open mind. Of course of you choose to dismiss the evidence of thousands of eye witnesses, then you can dismiss any hard evidence for anything. And your next stop b should be man in the mirror.
But if there is hope for you, it is the same hope for any of us. The hope of learning and understanding.
You should get to know more mentally disabled folks. Perhaps volunteer at a day program or an independent living program. Some of these people have very noble characters. And then you can see for yourself.
What you fail to see is how obvious it is that you are yourself manufacturing the case.

Jesse, there are some videos on YOUTUBE with that title and I will see if I can digest its content.
In the past, Chomky’s analytical linguistic books were beyond my intellectual capacity, part due to his English

Mr SP,
Hi and Good Morning.
In bad times the belief gets shattered only when prayers are not answered.
And it is. counselled that the bad debts will have to be paid back in this life itself for. better prospects later.
Left in the middle we may break completely to forget our dream-home in Sachkhand.
But our attitude to Life may not be be all and end all from a Saint’s perspective in deciding about our post-life journey.
He may remain well in control of us always.

“Your standard leads you to consistently accept information that supports racism, antisemitism, and prejudice against those who have significant neurological impairment. ”
Spence you started with lies and complete misunderstanding of my views. Not reading the rest of your long diatribe.
I’ve no prejudices. I’ve observations and am open to looking at facts that make you uncomfortable. There is a huge difference.
And I’ve already told you multiple times that my Dad is Jewish according to the Halakha.We also lost everyone in our family too, but not to Nazis, but your ideological allies who happened to share a certain ethnicity and past religion with us.
Sorry to go over your head, but my view of the world is one that considers long sequences of consequence and potential reactions, not simple mechanical morality. “Thing A is bad because bad thing history book!” Spare me. I’d be a victim of any pogroms you’d incite with your thoughtless supremacy mixed with nagging victimhood complex. It doesn’t have the effect you desire. It has the opposite effect of stirring up hate. Look around you.
Watch this video. It is an anarcho primitivist or something in Brian’s neck of the woods talking about how bad pedophilia is, and who some of pedophilias ideological pushers are and have been historically, the anarchist community. They’re super popular these days. A number of people in the crowd are screaming words about how immoral he is to talk about it because stopping pedophilia means he’s racist or a homophobe or whatever slogan we’re supposed to be yelling. Good stuff. You could learn from it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3hmZCsXoE

Um, the Chomsky book I’m talking about isn’t one of his linguistic works, none of which I’ve read anyway because only English matters. Manufacturing Consent is about the USA creating war and support for war via propaganda. Not really tough to read.
You could also just go watch the incubator baby video and understand how dumb people are and how they’re fed morals instead of thinking. But Manjit and Spence (both moral gods and geniuses) will call you a conspiracy theorist if you doubt that the daughter of a Kuwaiti diplomat who wasn’t even near the war saw babies being killed in a hospital 5000 miles away.
The gross woman at Democracy Now! talks about it. She’s the worst. Worst than war. I’m guessing her scene doesn’t like this incubator baby thing because they think all other war propaganda was real, and this one fake instance messes it up for the rest of the totally just wars that were based on totally real stuff. The white helmets in Iraq and Syria totally didn’t kill children either and stage fake rescues for the media, by the way. Hong Kong is organically uprising too. Just believe man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkRylMGLPMU

There are a handful of events that are simply so evil that to ascribe any kind of ‘interpretation’ to them is either gross ignorance or racist.
If Jesse is Jewish I can only assume it’s the former – what a stupid statement and then to try rely on a left wing Jewish intellectual like Chomsky is really the epitome of stoopid. You should be ashamed, end of.
It’s really only complete and utter nutjobs who seek to deny the holocaust.
The amazing thing about Chomsky is that he actually supported the right of free speech of a French holocaust denier. Chomsky believes that free speech should be allowed regardless of how offensive or even whether it’s true or not.
In fact, it’s probably only the Jewish tradition that would remotely allow this kind of free-speech to occur or to have accepted what was done to them. If that had been done to 6 millions Anglo-saxon civilians – I suspect Germany would have been bombed out of all existence.

Sorry to butt in. Why do you guys keep pusing the witness to the background? Bring it to the fore and view the the events being debated here as they are : NEUTRAL – neither good or bad.
Sahi kahaa na Maine Oshoji.
I LOOOVE ALL then be it
Genghis Khan
Adolf Hitler
Enver Pasha
Fu Sheng
Leopold II etc etc
After all isn’t it said in a scripture
Awal Allah noor upaya (In the beginning God created light)
Kudrat ke sab bandey (All are nature’s creations/people)
Ek noor se sab jag upja (From that One Light the whole world has been born)
Kaun bhaley,kau mandey? (So how can some be good and some evil?)
😀😉

“In bad times the belief gets shattered only when prayers are not answered.
And it is. counselled that the bad debts will have to be paid back in this life itself for. better prospects later.
Left in the middle we may break completely to forget our dream-home in Sachkhand.
But our attitude to Life may not be be all and end all from a Saint’s perspective in deciding about our post-life journey.
He may remain well in control of us always.”
Hi Meditator,
Per me belief is shattered because our belief is shallow.
The oft repeated If HE has the power to give, HE has the power to know (what’s best) too, is just a notion to us; not imbibed. Prayers are not always answered. They usually aren’t answered. Just a coincidence maybe, this morning when I was reading your post, in the background was running a satsang(discourse) – topic ‘prathana'(prayer) and there was a section therein why prayers are not always answered.
Pay off bad debts in this life; better prospects latter. Don’t be too sure about this. The 3 or 4 lives max. to get to sachkhand ….. don’t get increasingly better. Infact a worsening of circumstances is what you might experience. Remember what you said “Its only in worst times that one compulsively believes in God”. Just replace ‘believes in’ with ‘remembers’.
You also say he may remain in control…… Are you unsure that you use “may’?

Dungeness I’m mindful replying to you on this thread in an attempt to respect Brian’s request of keeping comments on topic.
“How do you know what discipline and mindfulness are capable of?”
Thank you for asking. I’m enlightened. I don’t know things. I realize them.
“We’re under siege by the mind”
Under siege sounds bad. Who told you consciousness as-is is bad? I don’t think I’m “under siege.” I think I’m somewhat sentient and have no choice but to be mindful at all times. We’re always watching our own thoughts because that’s all that exists.
“What’s “laughably absurd” and defeatist is
the suggestion that some threats are so dire and overwhelming that
that you can’t prevail and nothing will help.”
Overcoming all is part of “Things sheltered white suburban people believe are possible.”
I don’t even believe in the possibility of mindfulness to be honest. It’s imaginination and basic self observations being described in more sophisticated ways for the purposes of book sales. We live in a market and meditation buzzwords create lucrative businesses.
You’re always mindful to the absolute degree just without the part where you tell yourself “I’m being mindful right now by being aware of awareness.” The only other option is to be mindless but that requires risking your life.
Count the contradictions in my post. Remain mindful of my enlightenment as you absorb yourself in the sacred words I utter.

Who attested I was rested while arrested for being unint’rested.
Resisting being inneresting in nothing or Onething.
The bales of scales flails despite my wails about whales in Wales.
A biff in the boff for the toff who scoffed at the repeater scone eater that ate all the scones outside the theatre.
The moral of the story in it’s immoral glory is quite gory deffo not hunky dory.
I will pen another to my sister brother for all the lover o word play but not today I say I’m off to the bay of Lay

I think I’m somewhat sentient and have no choice but to be mindful at all times. We’re always watching our own thoughts because that’s all that exists.

Then why can’t you remember what ya walked into a room to get?
Or if you turned off the stove before getting on the plane? Or what
the dude/dudette’s name was ya just met? Oops, that’s just bad
memory right…
But what thoughts were running through yer damned head when
ya stuck yer pinkie into a fire. Betcha can’t remember… but I’ll give
ya credit. Ya likely licked it, cursed, and yelped “Ya dumb shit,
can’t ya be mindful for 5 seconds!?” At least ya were “sentient”.
Stop risking life and limb, even tiny ones. Ya need ’em for that fully
sentient life. Otherwise, ya flirt with becoming mindless and totally
forgetting those sacred words of enlightenment ya give to acolytes.

All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing. Which then takes them off the ‘good people’ .
It takes a little work to be good, but more excuses not to be.

Mr SP,
You are absolutely right in your vision of ideal Santmat. But what transpires in us is what I stated in good and bad times by and large. Its good if you could be steadfast despite hopeless odds strangulating…
Concerning His ( Master’s) control over His marked souls my use of ‘ may’ should not be taken as skepticism or suspicion on His ability but my limited capacity to fly not too far inside. that prevents me to exclaim in awe :
Yes we all are in Safe hands for-ever and ever!

“It takes a little work to be good, but more excuses not to be.”
Spence,
Yet in this world it’s easier to be evil than be good. Why so?
Late here so signing off with this one.

“All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing”
POWERFUL adage. Why even think about anything anymore? We got the answer right there in “good things are good things.”
Have you done my 2d world experiment yet? You don’t know if your world is 3d yet you’re concerned with enforcing morality on others.

Interesting exchange of views, some pretty strong confrontational ones from Jesse. I believe Spencer is gracious in response and at the same time speaking of his own experience relating with those who were there during WW2. Obviously most of us here were not. What I will say is that it’s always interesting getting info from the ‘other-side’ (e.g. former German soldiers and Germans whose parents were there). There’s some truth to the saying ‘History is written by the Victors’ imo.
Also another informative and re-focusing response from Manjit. It is great that there are some really cool things raised by some really interesting people. Thanks again Brian.
Indeed, ‘even the most cynical & materialist of us here at least have an inkling that the currency of Love is priceless’. Gotta agree with you, well said Manjit, as also when you acknowledge those mystics/teachers/experiencers who have gone before.
Further, you write ‘… experiences which demonstrate an “objective” connection between mind and the universe “out there”,
There’s gotta be ‘somethin init’ 🙂
I read this the other night [in regard to Meister Eckhart’s take on non-duality, he is quoted]:
‘Here God’s ground is my ground, and my ground is God’s ground …’ (Roy 2017, p.81)
Got me thinking about a saying (from the Upanishads or B.Gita?) I picked up on a card at some event nearly 40 years ago and it’s just as meaningful to me today:
‘He who sees me everywhere and sees everything in me, never gets separated from me, nor do I get separated from him’ (that’s how I remember it).
And from Osho’s reference to the Ashtavakra Gita a while back:
“You are pure Consciousness –
the substance of the universe
The universe exists within you.
Don’t be small-minded”, (1.16).
P.S. – good so see a comment from Jim Sutherland the other day.
Best wishes

Hi Dungeness
You write
“Then why can’t you remember what ya walked into a room to get?
Or if you turned off the stove before getting on the plane? Or what
the dude/dudette’s name was ya just met? Oops, that’s just bad
memory right…”
Actually, wouldn’t remembering those things take you out of the present?
If your mind is only on the present, could you recall anything?
” Rick, Rick I want to be with you! ”
” Sorry sweetheart I’m busy right now. ”
” Can we meet tonight? ”
” I don’t plan that far in advance.”
Cssablanca

Rick lives in the moment…
The actual quote, from Casablanca :
“Yvonne: Where were you last night?
Rick Blaine: That’s so long ago, I don’t remember.
Yvonne: Will I see you tonight?
Rick Blaine: I never make plans that far ahead.”

@all & Arjuna about “it’s all in the mind”
@oshjo
I believe that
the sevadar, slapping u in yr face
was Gurinder,
Certainly the man who said “It’s ALL Mine”
A case of poly-positioning while HE was arranging his Turban 100 meters further on, WOW,
Same as what happened to S* ‘s sister waiting until HE came out of the bathroom
which did not happen
while HE was giving Darshan elsewhere already
This makes all the talks sense-less here
you could equally discuss all indian snake-faqirs!
Didn’t you know what 💜 DZJenghis & Nero did?
Wouldn’t a holodeck be a reasonal treatment to learn about Compassion?
777. 💜.💜.💜. and.💜

“Then why can’t you remember what ya walked into a room to get?
Or if you turned off the stove before getting on the plane? Or what
the dude/dudette’s name was ya just met? Oops, that’s just bad
memory right…”
–Actually, wouldn’t remembering those things take you out of the present?

Not according to Ishwar Puri if you’ve attained “totality of consciousness” 🙂
The past, present, and future are an open book and it takes no time to flip
back a few pages (or read ahead a few) while remaining completely
present in the “now”.

–If your mind is only on the present, could you recall anything?

I don’t think so unless perhaps you don’t use the mind but rather
the power of direct perception. On second thought, it beats me.
Please confirm with a friend inside.
P.S. I love your Casablanca quote.

Rick Blaine: I never make plans that far ahead.

“You know how you sound, Mr. Blaine? Like a man who’s trying to
convince himself of something he doesn’t believe in his heart.

“All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing. It takes a little work to be good, but more excuses not to be.”
Sounds very religious. Preachy. Trying to change the world and it will never happen.
I like what Brian is talking about (effortless mindfulness) being alert and practising awareness of self. Watching thoughts, feelings, just being the observer of self without criticism makes one feel very calm and at peace. Worrying about the violence and evil in the world has the opposite effect. Can’t change anyone else but yourself.

Hi Dungeness
To be in the present here is be here, not anywhere else. Not in the library, not in someone else’s thoughts. Not thousands of miles above. Not all at once.
You can’t enjoy walking and reading your cell phone work email. You can’t be on vacation doing your taxes. Yes you can do those things but it’s not living with a single purpose.
To be gloriously limited by absent mindedness because this brain can only focus on a few things, but to have chosen the right things!
Every good method actor becomes their role. When Daniel Day-Lewis played Christy Brown in My Left Foot he remained in that state by choice full time. He could not have stood up and walked on both legs had he wanted to except by an act of sheer will to end the performance. Because had he done so he would not have honored Christy Brown. And he wanted to be Christy Brown more than anything. It was the end of each of his performances, not the limitations and demands of the performance, that took the greatest toll on him personally, that were his greatest periods of depression.
To remain in character became his natural state for the duration of the part. And a great effort to do otherwise.
Every character, every life is tragically limited. To escape that can only be when you are off duty. In meditation. The more aware you are of the limitations of your life, and the One who wrote that part just for you, the more you honor every foolish lapse, every line. You are happy not to know. So you honor those words that are yours to speak, even the foolish ones. They were sewn into your body by a sacred tailor. And if you are in love with the tailor, you love the costume.
To do otherwise doesn’t honor the play or the one who wrote it. In theory it can be done.if you have greater knowledge and freedom, yes, you can do anything. But when that knowledge is of a loving consciousness surrounding you, inside you, inside every cell and star beam, then communion with that consciousness becomes all you are interested in.
To do otherwise assumes you are acting on your own. But if you love the Father you just don’t go there. You don’t take your powerful internet – connected cell phone with you when you attend Satsang. And every waking hour is the Satsang of the Lord. And then when you are there, having honored the script God wrote, then yes, you can read the whole play. He wants you to. You are having a love affair with God. So intimate, so filled with passion. The actress in love with the director. She doesn’t want to change a word.
Ishwar may have over – simplified things. Or that really is his experience. He is a sadh guru, Dungeness, and worthy of respect. He will teach you concepts. Living them is a different matter. Because we don’t live alone.

To be in the present here is be here, not anywhere else. Not in the library, not in someone else’s thoughts. Not thousands of miles above. Not all at once.”

I think this may be semantic. You musta been referring to that mention of not
being “present” when you enter a room and forget what you came to get.
Loosely, we talk of being “present” when we don’t lose track of the “immediate
past” so quickly. Mindfulness anchors us more fully in the “present” and mitigates
to some extent that kind of forgetfulness.

OMG. – 🙏🌺🌈 🙏🌺🌈 🙏🌺🌈 🙏🌺🌈. – OMG
This is much better than the Regions
to be slapped by God Himself in Poly-positioning
Osho:
I was still considering my response to this when Sevadar #1 punched me in the face.
“Fuuuucckkkkiinnngggggg Helllllll” I said , as a reaction to the sudden unprovoked attack.
OMG. – 🙏🌺🌈 🙏🌺🌈 🙏🌺🌈 🙏🌺🌈. – OMG

Yep 777, I too think it’s a divine blessing planted right on the hooter.

🙏

Let me be the first friend to expose the Sign pinned on your back, that says,…KICK ME HARD, PLEASE,. Here, I have removed it from your back, and handed it to you. Now, you may choose to keep it off and blend in, or put it back and stay marked as the ONE Trouble Maker.
Cheers,
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | September 17, 2019 at 03:16 AM
NOW. Osho, . . imagine you could believe what I said above for a quarter of an hour
How is yr feel compared to yr nights of singing at Kirpals
and your “ride on until you can no more . . . Everybody tells me nothing
( Youtube : The Old town Road )
Just do 🙏 man . . the whole day & night . . it answsers everything
777

Hitler made a huge deal about the Treaty of Versailles war reparations debts after WWI, but the facts are that Germany wasn’t paying that bill at all. …. And Germany wasn’t paying.

One correction to “wasn’t paying at all”. Germany paid slowly but was saddled
with huge internal war debts and a shattered economy. The occupation of the
Ruhr and reparations exacerbated the disastrous downturn. By 1921 banks began
printing currency to pay down debt leading to massive hyperinflation. Wages were
paid twice a day so employees could buy bread during lunch before the price
spiked hugely by day’s end.
Hitler and others’ exploitation of reparations doesn’t change the havoc of the
Kaiser’s war and its aftermath on the German people.

Hi Dungeness
You wrote
“One correction to “wasn’t paying at all”. Germany paid slowly but was saddled
with huge internal war debts and a shattered economy. ”
Germany didn’t pay the debts. They took loans to make their payments, but diverted most of these into their economy. They never actually paid with their own money, nor did they have to. International lenders were happy to do this as an investment, until they could no longer do it after the stock market crash.
“The Treaty of Versailles (signed in 1919) and the 1921 London Schedule of Payments required Germany to pay 132 billion gold marks…..
” Between 1919 and 1932, Germany paid less than 21 billion marks in reparations….
“With the collapse of the German economy in 1931, reparations were suspended for a year and in 1932 during the Lausanne Conference they were cancelled altogether.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations
Winston Churchill wrote that what little was paid was from international loans, not from Germany’s economy. Germany was actually using the international loans money to bolster its economy, after the destruction of WWI.
But after the stock market crash of 1929, international lenders called for repayment, and the flow of money coming into Germany stopped. But by 1932 even the loans were forgiven.
The ‘huge international war debts’ you write of were never paid with German money.

Germany didn’t pay the debts. They took loans to make their payments, but diverted most of these into their economy. They never actually paid with their own money, nor did they have to. International lenders were happy to do this as an investment, until they could no longer do it after the stock market crash.

The same strategy any devastated nation would use to
rebuild its economy and recover sufficiently to pay debts.
Lending nations and trading partners wanted the same
thing. It can take decades for a nation to heal financially
from a war.

But after the stock market crash of 1929, international lenders called for repayment, and the flow of money coming into Germany stopped.

The international depression clearly impacted Germany
significantly too .

But by 1932 even the loans were forgiven.
The ‘huge international war debts’ you write of were never paid with German money

No, that’s not true. There were moratoriums and partial loan
forgiveness but the debt didn’t disappear. Under the terms of
the 1953 settlement agreement, Germany finally paid off the
loan amount in full on Oct 3, 2010.

Hi Dungeness
You wrote
“No, that’s not true. There were moratoriums and partial loan
forgiveness but the debt didn’t disappear. Under the terms of
the 1953 settlement agreement, Germany finally paid off the
loan amount in full on Oct 3, 2010.”
It appears this may be some other debt, Dungeness.
From Wikipedia we read that, as I’d written, the Versailles treaty war reparations debts were entirely canceled in 1932.
“Despite this, by 1928 Germany called for a new payment plan, resulting in the Young Plan that established the German reparation requirements at 112 billion marks (US$26.3 billion) and created a schedule of payments that would see Germany complete payments by 1988. With the collapse of the German economy in 1931, reparations were suspended for a year and in 1932 during the Lausanne Conference they were cancelled altogether. ”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations
Can you please provide a link to support your statement that they were not canceled?

I think I met have been referring to the post WWII debt
“The U.S. was basically the last man standing after the war and essentially decided to cut Germany’s debt in half,” Guinnane said. “It was a hard-nosed decision ….. it’s wrong to say it was an act of generosity.”
“But the US persuaded its European allies, including Greece, to relinquish debt repayments and reparations in order to build a stable and prosperous Western Europe that could contain the threat from Soviet Russia.”
https://www.france24.com/en/20150129-london-agreement-1953-debt-write-germany-economic-miracle-greece-austerity
Most of Europe after WWII was rebuilt via investments from the Marshall plan, including Germany.
But as to my original point, the war reparations debt from the Treaty of Versailles was never an actual burden to Germany as what little payments were made were from loans. The war reparations debts contributed zero burden to their post WWI economic collapse.

Oops. Typo..should read.
“I think you may have been referring to the post WWII debt.”

“But if “labour saving” means that the wage-earning masses are, with the aid of machinery, to make the same amount of things for something like the same wage in a shorter time, and have more leisure, then indeed will machinery and invention be a gift and a blessing to mankind.
“Upon these vast and vital topics we know, at least roughly, President Roosevelt’s views. But there is another question, comparatively petty, perhaps, in the estimation of Americans, but of considerable importance to us, and in many ways ugly and irritating—the question of war debts. I have always believed that they lie at the root of our troubles.
“The attempt of the victorious Allies to obtain enormous payments from Germany was bound to fail. No people can establish a large permanent lien on the future production of another. Not less injurious and crazy was the effort to liquidate these vast obligations through the agency of the poor little stocks of world gold.
“Debts can only be paid across frontiers in goods or services, and if these cannot be received without injury to native industry, they are frankly irrecoverable. We have seen the exchanges of the world disorganized, and gold disqualified as a standard of measurement by the endeavour to use this scarce yellow metal to discharge the gigantic obligations so airily chalked up by credit.
“One thing is clear: No European country is going to pay any war indemnities or war debts except England, and the question is: “How much will England pay?”
” It is idle for the United States or Great Britain to expect the slightest repayment from Germany. Since the War Germany has borrowed to the utmost of her capacity without apparent intention of repaying either on public or private account. The present regime in that country would glory in the fact that, though Germany lost the War, at any rate, she got £500,000,000 on the balance out of England and America as compensation for her losses.
“If Germany does not pay, France and Italy will not pay what they owe either to Great Britain or to the United States. Thus it all comes back to England.”
Winston Churchill, 1933
https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-153/the-truth-about-war-debts/

If GSD can be hardline (For a loving God) so can we!
Posted by: Arjuna | September 18, 2019 at 09:30 AM
@arjuna
You just do predict the next CA Earthquake please ?
Don’t forget ‘How Much’ on the Richter Scale
777

@ 777. Hello.
I can not predict anything as I am human and not a supernatural being if they exist.
The reason I said that I am seeking love not hardline rules. I am a seeker after truth. I doubt I will find it but as I have been through a lot in my life . Hope goes my friend.
I used to pray to GSD but nothing good came out of it. Whilst satsanghis – a few I knew where coming bad deeds and sometimes adultury were having the times of their lives.
It’s all a joke and I ain’t impressed anymore

Can you please provide a link to support your statement that they were not canceled?

The reparations were cancelled but the underlying debt Germany
incurred via various payoff schemes (Dawes, Young, Lausanne,
1953 settlement ) did not vanish. The cancellation presumably
dissolved the massive interest accruals, punitive fines, etc. in order
to clearly establish a final payoff amount.
So, Germany was making reparation payments on borrowed funds
and finally liquidated that unresolved debt in Oct 2010.
Clear as mud? 🙂
From the Wikipedia article cited:
“To help make reparations payments, Germany took out various loans during the 1920s. In 1933, following the cancellation of reparations, the new German Chancellor Adolf Hitler cancelled all payments. In June 1953, an agreement was reached on this existing debt with West Germany. Germany agreed to repay 50 per cent of the loan amounts that had been defaulted on in the 1920s, but deferred some of the debt until West and East Germany were unified. In 1995, following reunification, Germany began making the final payments towards the loans. A final installment of US$94 million was made on 3 October 2010, settling German loan debts in regard to reparations.[93]”

Hi Dungeness
Thank you for the clarification.
My point was that after WWI and well through Hitler’s reign Germany paid nothing of their own money, and what little was repaid was a fraction of the loans Germany solicited from other nations. As you can see from Churchill’s quote and the Wiki article.
In fact their apparent economic improvements after their economic disaster was due to the loans.
The notion that the Versailles treaty reparations had any burden on Germany and contributed to its economic problems after WWI is false.

In fact their apparent economic improvements after their economic disaster was due to the loans.

Yes and as mentioned any devastated nation would use loans
to rebuild its economy and recover sufficiently to pay debts.
Lending nations and trading partners wanted the same thing.
Otherwise, Germany woulda been looking for more loans as
recurrent reparation payments came due.

The notion that the Versailles treaty reparations had any burden on Germany and contributed to its economic problems after WWI is false.

I believe economists and historians’ opinions vary on that issue
from my casual reading of the Wikipedia article: “Several historians
take the middle ground between condemning reparations and
supporting the argument that they were not a complete burden
upon Germany.”
One thing is certain. Politicalization of the issue as well as the
German banks pumping out “funny” money leading to hyper-
inflation had devastating effects on the German people. You
shopped on your lunch hour to beat price spikes and carried
marks in overflowing bags and wagons. No wonder ordinary
Germans had no appetite for “reparation taxes” to help pay for
the Kaiser’s War.

Hi Dungeness
My point was that Hitler exacerbated the problem by blaming the banks who were helping Germany out. Yes, you print money when you must. But Hitler pulled millions of people out of economic productivity and placed them into weapons manufacturing and stockpiling for his dream of war. Weapons that were not being brought into the international market place for economic gain, but only further burdening Germany’s empoverished economy.
Hitler then pulled millions more people away from economic contribution by expanding the military.
And Hitler took millions more skilled professionals and their businesses and families out of the workforce as prisoners/slaves and further, taking on the burden to feed, house and clothe them when Germany had no economic capacity for such burdens.
These were all moves that further empoverished Germany’s economy, and they were all fueled by the generous loans of the international banking community, and England in particular. Hitler was betting he could steal the wealth of Poland, Austria, Hungary and Yogoslavia. But that was a fool’s dream. Poverty and pride are a bad combination. They can make people do very hateful things, even self – destructive things, even when others are trying to help and investing in their country.

I’m glad you two are figuring out the motives of Hitler and the details of post war debt. And to think, all this free work you’re doing for humanity is happening because I wanted one person to be more like the Cambodians and not use every moment of his life manipulating people due to an atrocity he wasn’t a part of.
The world is so indebted to you for all the work you’re doing discovering how Germany was forced to pay back all the countries that bombed them into near oblivion and then pissed on their graves and made thousands of highly profitable movies demonizing them.
Thank you both.

24/7 DAILY MAGIC
Sitting on my horse
riding on the road
until I can no more
and
Nobody tells me Nothing
Seeing a cow, saying : Oh Lord , thank U I don’t eat You,
Seeing a fly : thinking Oh Lord , So glad I Love You
. . . and a tree, a. a stone even : OMG
Put some of my Simran to them All
What a Grace , . . that this happened to me
777
OK. let’s read Brians latest post now

Spence and Dungeness
This is Gorecki’s 3rd symphony.
It is from a series of sorrowful songs.
This one was recorded in one of the death camps.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=miLV0o4AhE4

The horses hooves crushing hundreds of small animals and bugs beneath it saying : Oh Lord, you created me to destroy
Not seeing hundreds of flies and millions of microorganisms and trillions of things being killed just by the fact that I’m burning electricity to write psychotic faux spiritual poetry: thinking Oh Lord, So glad I publicly celebrate my pretentious morality and ignore all the terrible things I passive aggressively judge others for doing
Put some curses to them All
What a damnation… this happened to me.

It’s amazing. . . . Yes
But all will go home and even feel better
even a stone
There is no other place to go, . . . may take some “time”
777

Gosh, as if life isn’t difficult enough, just checking in to see what people are talking about and everything is so grim. Does anyone else notice how argumentative and vicious people are becoming. Anyway, its probably good to vent. Such is life !!

This is Gorecki’s 3rd symphony.

Thanks for this. It’s beautiful and evocative.

Yes Jen
Beauty is nothing with an ugly tongue
Let s cheer them up a little
💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥

Any use of “shabd” is problematic, because “shabd” probably doesn’t exist, and there is no way to know if you’ve contacted “shabd” or “prana” or “Qi” or are “hallucinating” or had some other less spiritual variety of sensation. You may have felt kundalini, and mistook it for shabd, or felt Qi, and thought it was prana.
Your entire experience is one of assumptions based on a limited number of new age books you’ve encountered. You also can’t compare your experience with shabd, because nobody knows what it is. 2 people may have had entirely different experiences with entirely different “subtle energies”, that when vaguely describing them come to the conclusion that it’s the same thing. Just as a Hindu is more likely to see Krishna than Jesus in an ecstatic vision, so is a RS devotee prone to calling whatever they experience as a byproduct or attribute of “shabd,” whereas a Qigong practitioner will never, ever knowingly feel or experience shabd. Even if they did experience it, they’d think it’s Qi.
Are Qi, Prana, Kundalini and Shabd the same thing? Maybe, or maybe not. I don’t know, and neither do you, nor do you have any way of knowing.
Had you not become a neo-Sikh ashram attendee or joined a sect of the Radha Soami faith, you likely wouldn’t have a word for hearing things in meditation, and had you heard sounds or had experiences out of the ordinary, you most certainly wouldn’t already have a preconceived list of connotations and expectations concerning what you hear. You certainly wouldn’t have a list of modern day morals that one must adhere to in order to experience this stuff. Chinese buddhists hear inner sounds, not shabd, and don’t get all wrapped up in it.
Sounds you hear in meditation are not “shabd.”
The creation of the world is not the product of “shabd.”
the holy spirit of the bible is not “shabd.”
Cults and religions are stupid.
Just experience whatever you experience. There’s no reason to pretend to know anything.

“the light didn’t choose me anymore than sunlight chooses someone. It shines on all of us”
Spence, I’m not asking this to be a dick, I promise.
But that phrase sounds like part of the RSSB, or many religions and cults, party line. Is it something you believe, or would you say that you personally experience and know via experience that some divine light, not the sunlight obviously, shines on all?
And if you do personally see it, how specifically do you see or experience a divine light shining on everyone? What does it look like in your experience ?

Uh oh, and “knowledge is power” is commonly attributed to Sir Francis Bacon. Well, as I said, every certainty contains the seeds of self deception!

The world is so indebted to you for all the work you’re doing discovering how Germany was forced to pay back all the countries that bombed them into near oblivion and then pissed on their graves and made thousands of highly profitable movies demonizing them.

Ah, faux-outrage on Germany’s behalf. How touching from someone
who up-thread opined this contemptible Holocaust revisionism:

try to go 5 minutes without dropping holocaust propaganda into your posts sometime. There were real tragedies in WW2, lots of people died, and none of them in “gas chambers.”

I love looking up quotes that give me a reason to keep on keeping on…
“The person with a secular mentality feels himself to be the center of the universe. Yet he is likely to suffer from a sense of meaninglessness and insignificance because he knows he’s but one human among five billion others – all feeling themselves to be the center of things – scratching out an existence on the surface of a medium-sized planet circling a small star among countless stars in a galaxy lost among countless galaxies.
The person with the sacred mentality, on the other hand, does not feel herself to be the center of the universe. She considers the Center to be elsewhere and other. Yet she is unlikely to feel lost or insignificant precisely because she draws her significance and meaning from her relationship, her connection, with that center, that Other.”
― M. Scott Peck

Good words there Jen.
You are on a roll.
Keep ‘em coming 😊

“Are Qi, Prana, Kundalini and Shabd the same thing? Maybe, or maybe not. I don’t know.
Sounds you hear in meditation are not “shabd.”
The creation of the world is not the product of “shabd.”
the holy spirit of the bible is not shabd.”
So then shut the fuck up… Just as all wise do on matters they don’t know about!!!
But you won’t….😂😂

Since it has nothing to do with sevadars beating up normal satsang attendees, I’m replying to you here, Osho.
You said “The true teachings of gurbani are very different from what most people take them to mean. ”
“Refreshing new view of the real meaning beyond religion”
So the true meaning of Gurbani is also new?
I’m bored of all these kathas, man. I don’t think anyone can say what the True Meaning™ is of any of this stuff, and if they didn’t find it in the first 600 years after it was written, it’s not gonna happen now.
In the portion of the video you told me to watch he gurbani’s not magical words or the right words, then literally the next sentence says “we have to use these words to transform ourselves” or something. Contradicts himself and doesn’t even know it. Thinks he’s clarifying or distinguishing between subtle ideas, but he’s not. If he doesn’t think gurbani has some sort of special powers, then there is no reason to think those words will change ones being any more than any other words, and therefore no reason to be a Sikh, and no reason to chant those words. I don’t listen to this stuff anymore for this reason. Everyone’s got an opinion, but all the opinions are simply justifications to themselves to remain in the religion, which almost always happens to be the religion of their birth.
Also, it’s sort of weird that these big giant turban wearing Nihang type guys live in UK. It’d be like me wearing Gucci and alligator skin boots in their pind. Totally out of place. Almost like they’re trying to be comedic, but they’re not. They truly think that they are following the ultimate supernatural beings instructions by wearing 17th century Indian religious army clothes in modern day England. If that isn’t the sign of believing in magical words, then what is?

a wise owl,
Do you have an answer to the question? Is Qi the same as shabd or prana? They’re not the same words, but those who believe in them would claim each has some similar effects on the mind and body, but also some very different effects as well as different origins and powers.
So if I sit in meditation and suddenly hear something supposedly internally, what way do I have to verify what caused the sound? Why could it not be the “holy spirit” that I heard, and not “shabd?”
Is it unwise to ask questions?

Hi Jesse
You quoted me and then asked
“‘”the light didn’t choose me anymore than sunlight chooses someone. It shines on all of us’
” Spence, I’m not asking this to be a dick, I promise.
“But that phrase sounds like part of the RSSB, or many religions and cults, party line. Is it something you believe, or would you say that you personally experience and know via experience that some divine light, not the sunlight obviously, shines on all?
“And if you do personally see it, how specifically do you see or experience a divine light shining on everyone? What does it look like in your experience ?
Jesse, the sky is above all of us. Have I seen every single person? Of course not. The sky is blue despite the clouds. How do I know this is true everywhere? What about the Aurora Borealis, or all those incredible orange, peridot and lavender sunsets?
You see, take it as subjective. Take it as poetry. My experience of Shabd is that it is built in, not under my control. Always waiting for me to turn my attention to her, or nagging me with sublime sweet music to return to her. And the moment I do, I feel movement, like I’m rising up, see Master with my inner eye, a great star, and the outer eyes see the room bathed in light, as the sound grows into the loud ringing of a cathedral bell. Not something to do while driving.
So it may be a condition. But not of my choosing. I didn’t birth myself, yet here we are.

She might not be the best but she has what’s needed : L&D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B2tXs8CX6I
In the middle of so much pure shit about
Dresden and
about how Sevadars should behave
💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥
please let me advise/remember about the core of our teachings
about
💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥
WHAT LOVE AND DEVOTION MEAN
💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥
and what You can really do with your Shabd
or what Your Shabd can do with You
💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥
777

Hi 777, I used to play classical music on the piano when I was young, remember playing Fur Elise, should have kept going.
I love dramatic music like Hanz Zimmer’s “Time” from Inception, one of my favourite movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdYYN-4ttDg&list=RDWvWuco54FHg&index=3

Osho, Radha Soami followers were never considered to be Sikh I guess, unless they were already Sikh before becoming Satsangis. The only people who ever said Radha Soamis were Sikhs were other Sikhs who were angry about losing members to deras.
One-ism is also a trap. It’s philosophical speculation. Can’t be proven, or realized, because it’s not real. It’s just an idea, and it’s certainly not a must-believe part of Gurbani no matter how many times a man on youtube repeats it.

Hi Jen
I love Hans Zimmer’s score for Inception.
About ten years ago I used a portion as a background to some of Sam’s artwork.
It is one thing to be a small child with significant limitations, but another to know with complete clarity those limitations. His artwork expresses his transformation through that. Very hard for me to watch without shedding some tears….
https://youtu.be/s3i-eMik7Wg

Hi Spence,
I loved Sam’s artwork, left a message… 🙂

Thank you Jen!

Never look
A GIHFt
Hoarse in the mouth

“”””. Dalai Lama isn’t big on single-pointed attention
Here’s some good news for everybody who has difficulty concentrating during meditation. “”””””
me :
You mean : Contemplation!
Make an extract of contemplations of
The Pope
Einstein
500. Nobel winners
Kings Emperors Presidents
Any shrink would send them all to a mental clinic
💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥
Only Darshan of The 5 Words cq Sound
can generate the necessary Love
that dampens and stops them
Nothing else
💥❤️💥❤️💥❤️💥
777.
I trust while 70 companies actually manufacture
likes of
IBM 20QUBITS
Google 54QUBITS
machines
They will interconnect & confirm the Lovely way of the Crown Chakra
base concept of all universes and matter
and handle accordingly

Come along to hear the Tale about an Indian who uses a Fake Name, OSHO;
Who is known by the Churchless Church Exers, as the Oneness Psycho.
OSHO uses another fake last Name of Robbins,
So that no one will find out he is actually a Question Goblin!
His favorate Hobby is questioning Gurinder Dhillon,
Who has become the Church of Churchless’s Fradulant Villan.
Most Satsangis visit Haynes to see The Light,
While OSHO Robbins goes there to start a fight!
While Desciples are persuing their Master,
OSHO is trying to create a Disaster!
While Seekers are at Haynes trying to listen to the SOUND,
OSHO is trying to escape the Security Guards who are Musclebound!
OSHO doesn’t try to sneek in to Haynes to Meditate,
He always shows up intending to alienate!
While the Old Aunties were munching their scones,
OSHO’s Oppressors were confiscating his phone!
Instead of inviting OSHO for Lunch,
A Security Sevadore threw him a Punch!!
A Smack, right is the face, broke OSHO’s glasses,
And proves that Gurinder’s Guards are a bunch of Asses!
Poor OSHO didn’t even get another chance to question Gurinder about THE ONE,
So all we Churchless Church members missed all the Fun.
But we all know that Gurinder would rater Strut,
And talk about Butts,
Or ask innocent old men if they know about 69s,
Which moral Desciples consider such a question to be asinine.
Its just a matter of Time ,until Professor David Lane ,
Writes more stuff about the Brain,
And continues to expose Guru Gurinder,
As a frauduant Pretender!
During his visit to Beas,
He saw Satsangis clinging to Gurinder like Fleas!
I mean, Come on, Satsangis, does all this make any sense?
If you really want to know the Truth about it all, just ask Spence!!
That is the end of this Story, but don’t wonder too far away from Church,
Just hang around like Vultures, waiting to lurch.
Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

I attended as intended to my chair Pulling seva
The sangati who fell over loudly
Cursed my poor behaviour
The penny whistle sound
As their bum hit the ground
T’was the beautiful tune
Of the Shabd Dhun
Was the highlight for me
But not every body
Else
The behaviour of chair pulling seva
While amusing at its core
Does not leave the Sangatis
Calling out for more
The punching sevadar and his cronies
Up to evermore mischief
Broken bonies
Stolen phonies
Causing some HP guests grief
The Baba full of wisdom sitting on the Dias
Forgiveness to them all as he cannot show bias
The truth he gibbers massive fibbers of
Humility and humbleness
While aught he really means is
Ferocity and bumbleness
The next time you go
Watch out tho’
The property of one was Destructed as instructed
The proper tea and scone
Was much later reflucted
Lunch Munch Crunch Slurp Burp

Hééé. Americans
Always thought the NSA listens via megafiles (Echelon) the entire world, even when I order a Pizza!
Can Mr Schiff ask/enforce for the >3 conversations?
They might be relieved to be forced!
7 as always for non spiritual

Snow in August
Mindless meditation, the panacea for endless irritation, as one strives to overcome single pointed focus. The concentrated awareness scatters into the deepest echoes of the subconscious mind, filtering all non essential memories through the tedium of the medium.
Boringness is the Truth.
In the absence of anything, there is nothing. Nothing except boredom. Accepting this Truth brings a germination of a fresh take on Reality.
Truth is really boring, this much is boringly True.
At the cessation of ones meditation the realisation: “ Thank God for that”
Inconvertible proof that God exists.

@Mike
“ Thank God for that
Inconvertible proof that God exists.”
Great start not to be in HIS opposition. 🙂
easy now to use the 5 words to thank Him that U exist
and love Him for that
and HE can’t resist love you back ❤️
Keep th backbone straight to endure Him
–
Further Make all mistakes possible
BUT. . . . U must love HIM/HER/HIM/HER on this path

I said HIM/HER
Because :
Think f.i. of the giantly dearest person ever
on this Earth,
that you love really big time
Next imply that SHE/HE is also “HIM/HER”
❤️
Is so wonderful
777

Good article about how the powerful and famous celebrities are mostly human garbage, but also about the trendiness of “yoga” and “wellness” which we’re all victims of to some degree if we’re on this blog.
If you read it you likely won’t need to ignore the blatant political bias that is presented in the first one or two paragraphs, because you have no self awareness at all. But if you’re semi-sentient, do try to ignore that stuff.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a28480608/spiritual-snobs-gwyneth-paltrow-marianne-williamson-jack-dorsey/

Here they speak of wrong doings of teachers, elsewhere they do too:
https://www.buddhistdoor.net/news/dzongsar-khyentse-rinpoche-issues-public-statement-on-recent-criticism-of-sogyal-rinpoche

At that time they can retire from seva and will get a “I am nothing” achievement sticker. Posted by: Osho Robbins | September 29, 2019 at 04:52 AM
Still the lead subject is the punch
Let me insist
If this had been a Sevadars in Rage , they had applied good upper-cuts
and U had waked up there in the evening
The modesty of yr treatment – Yes hyper-multi-quantum-positioning played!
Be proud Osho
To my understanding : the first miracle @Haynes
Oooh Yes @Mr Un
Such statements bring 5 years prison in Austria/Germany
c q 30 000 € in most EU countries
No first amendement here – They find U if U had IP and Macaddresses unchanged
This is no Joke.😢😢😢 Unge

Hi Jesse
The author blames the head of Peleton for visiting Myanmar without saying anything helpful to their political situation.
But the blatant hypocrisy works 180 degrees because the author could be doing so using the power of his platform. He doesn’t need to visit Myanmar to write about it and advocate for the victims, but it wouldn’t be a bad idea.
He instead indulges in pseudo-social etiquette articles about how to sound tech, cannibas and financial savvy, as if he is constantly trying to understand and gain entrance to that superficial crowd of tech, pop and financial icons.
He engages in his own cultural snobbery in attempting to point to the superficiality of these folks. But they are all depicted in a way that strangely points back to the author’s own superficiality.
Yes, every modern celebrity has to keep regurgitating their every meal onto Twitter, just like our President, for public consumption. But this author asks us to consume his own regurgitation of theirs.

Maybe the victims in Mayanmar are the people Burmese people getting raped by Bangladeshi Muslims for decades on end. Not the Bangladeshi Muslims getting kicked out for raping a lot of people, Spence. Maybe the news is wrong for the billionth time in a row.
Why can’t people just live their lives instead of believing in the gods of the news? That’s a better thing to take from that situation and that article which i have no idea why I posted now cause I won’t read it again – stay out of other peoples business and stop taking sides in fights that aren’t yours. Don’t assume that our earthly gods are correct, or even honest.
“But this author asks us to consume his own regurgitation of theirs. ” And I guess you and I are “asking” that others consume our opinions since we opined here in the public. It’s a twisted world, man. A sick and twisted world.

Jesse, it all comes back to what my Dad taught us kids, “when you go through life, whatever be your goal, keep your eye upon the doughnut, and not upon the hole.”

“Recognizing the reality of your death is key to living life”
Being almost 100
I totally and absolutely
can not understand such statement
that any future PC wil LOL. !
Not from any religious standpoint . . . NO. !
Just by using my grey cells
While now, all scientists
agree that an intelligence way like the PHI number
was followed concerning this modest
local universe where we are,
OF COURSE the individual consciousness of each unit
is able to see and understand the timeless Source
is HIM
The Emperor is just on His evening walk anomymously under the names
of Lane, Brian, Jim, Jen, Jesse, Michael,
yes why would He be restricted to one guy/gurl/stone/universe
Now, . . anyone with compassion and empathy can easily capture the Way it is
just using IQ and more
by the Sound Current , always there for a willing
Can it be simpler ?
Just don’t hurt and you have this same knowledge EXPERIENCE
These molecules are a screen we ar projected on
and many think much to humble (haha) they are That
No
Not at all
This is a fascinating beautiful thing that happens
and nobody needs the other ballgame of initiation
I m Happy , I will come here again and again see the Truth
of f.i. Osho’s Punch. 🙂
You all :
Pls don’t fall into that trap above because
“You will go where your Heart already is”
Make it Light
777
❤️

There is something within a human being that seeks and longs for something more than this earthly life….
Céline Dion – My Heart Will Go On (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNIPqafd4As

Spiritual Love…
A pure heart, open to the Light,
will be filled with the very essence of Truth
Rumi

“”. If QM [quantum mechanics] is really a fundamental theory of reality, it shouldn’t need to invoke conscious brains and measuring devices. Instead these macroscopic objects should emerge naturally from the theory.””
Without
My synthesis (above) and all creation wouldn’t exist
❤️ 777
There is absolutely nothing without consciousness, nothing
There are degrees
Just connect

Jesse or Michael said :
My most fearful time is during the night, when I wake up to go to the toilet. I go back to bed and ponder: Shit, I’m gonna die.
me:
What an ‘expected’ panic by times here on this forum
The trick is:
Don’t expect what U believe
Stop believing bull shit
Then both the here
and the hereafter are unbelievable joyous. 💥❤️💥
When the RSSB stuff again infiltrates
it will even be tremendous ( from who I have that word? )
RE-Believe !
even after 15 years of scolding
You will get what is in U
777.❤️

Jesse runs a different narrative style than me.
I posted that AND
RSSB is a fiction.
The only truth RSSB contains is that we are all gonna die.
Which is exactly what Brian has been blogging for several or more years.

Dr Eugene Genetics was mumbling somewhat un-coherently in his samadhi this early morning.
The quandary of the quantum physicists and the Universal Law of Sparrow Entanglement as written by the eminent French Professor, Entang Le Sparrow.
The conscious awareness at the sub sub atomised level, the innermost ego slash self, makes its presence felt through absence.
Generally, lay people are not minded to such fanciful notions, they go about the daily horror show of their humdrum lives wishing they are someone else.
Occasionally, a rare glimpse into this void detects the waves and particles that reveals the sub unconscious mind layer.
I managed to scribble this hastily on the back of the box of tea bags, before the Dr came out of his meditation. I made Him His cuppa and that was that.
Sohang as they say.

Our essence is more iike a spider web than a diamond
Wrong!
We can be BOTH
and much more
We can be what we want to be
777

@ 777 hello.
May I ask a question. Why is GSD like most indians so determined to buy land??? Ask yourself why would GOD. Lets repeat that GOD buy land ???? Why buy land when you have the universe. Please answer convincingly
Greed has many faces my friend. Arjuna (and yes I am pretty good with a bow and arrow)

Although I have seen Him Radiant° like Charan
I will not at all use that as an argument
Because I see Him inside,. . while He isn’t my Master
although They are not different . . .
Why he needed cancer treatment
Because He didn’t ask Charan to stop that!
Me: I would have done that!
I used Simran most of the time – didn’t exclude business – omg – 🙂
When sitting before Gurinder, even He in Jeans
I have that phenomenon to flash , run, jump, spring
to my Crown Chakra
Like He is a Neodynium° Magnet
and me a punaise
Al this will not help you because it’s me
and the brothers here will say : autosuggestion at best hypnose
Wow – I like it
If it did help U you wouldn’t t ask me and have read my comments
I don’t know if I hv the rights to break the silence rules
but I did here many times and God
in Gurinders form is smiling
Charan is laughing, Sawan is amused
Jagat is pondering, Jaimal : One cannot imaging,
Set Shiv Dayal and Tulsi , : so much of another ballgame
and so many more of Them
This is The RSSB Path
It’s extasis, a whole other strange orgasm High Up
About the land : I have suggested at least 3 times here
The Earth will radically change , climate change is exponential to the 3rd power , next the ^ 4th
Nobody has the slightest idea how typhones and so
will rage the waters up with strokes as a hammer
to >50 meters
I trust Gurinder is creating relative safe places but I am not 100% sure
I repeat
I hope HE will manage asap to invest the billion
into a trillion
and will make errors underway
but not like saoudis with drugs brothels and yachts
He is not all knowing – He knows what these above Masters
give Him to know at precise moments
Like in the military
I might know more than HE does
The puncher of Osho, . .
HE has the package of Nam
He is astonished by all what happens to Him
Me and You Arjuna get also what is needed for us
read the Gheeta!
Convince me of a better super Path
and I wil collude ( from collusion )
But after having seen the One-ness
that might be difficult
I love U too Arjuna
💖💖💖
Also everything , incl God in Pratiki is DYNAMIC
WAVES
and people forget that all the time like relativity
wait 4the Qubits
They have a lot to tell & confirm
mail me on 7.77@mail.com
yr email address and I send you more stuff
Be more egoistic. 🙂

May I ask a question. Why is GSD like most indians so determined to buy land???
Arjuna,
Anything wrong with buying land? Buy gold instead or maybe buy into Apple Inc or Microsoft? Maybe your choice could be Berkshire.

“Why he needed cancer treatment
Because He didn’t ask Charan to stop that!”
Why the cancer is the baffling bit. Any answer @777?

° Prakiti

Sorry for having placed this where it belonged, . . belongs …. will belong
enforcing you to use the guillotine
❌
You are incorrect with non-existing
BUT U CAN MAKE IT CORRECT!
There are many incarnations possible to make that happen
that is where consciousness is at the lowest
Not a punishment – I is where your heart is now
7
don’t delete my posts !
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@Arjuna
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
YOU are God too, amusing HIMself
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Why do you eat?
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Do you have an answer to the question? Is Qi the same as shabd or prana? They’re not the same words, but those who believe in them would claim each has some similar effects on the mind and body, but also some very different effects as well as different origins and powers.
So if I sit in meditation and suddenly hear something supposedly internally, what way do I have to verify what caused the sound? Why could it not be the “holy spirit” that I heard, and not “shabd?”
Is it unwise to ask questions?
Posted by: Jesse | September 25, 2019 at 07:53 AM
Jesse,
They may be the same or one of the numerous sub-set manifestation of the One. So what matters is what you set out seeking and then receive the directions from an appropriate teacher/master.
It’s not unwise to ask questions provided you are a seeker and/or actually have some of the inner experiences which you need clarification on. Btw I am told that the only letters that GSD replies to personally are those which concern inner experiences narrated by followers.
But in your case there are diktat like utterances and which make it clear that you aren’t seeking. Some examples
– Sounds you hear in meditation are not “shabd.”
– The creation of the world is not the product of “shabd.”
– the holy spirit of the bible is not shabd.
Not a sign of a seeker.
So either back these up with verifiable evidence or if you don’t know first shut up on these matters and then go seek answers
Am sure you would have heard the nursery rhyme which goes as
A wise old owl lived in an oak
The more he saw the less he spoke
The less he spoke the more he heard.
Why can’t we all be like that wise old bird?

@ 777. I love you too.

A bird lived in a tree
It ate mice
It said twit twooo
How is that wise

@Jesse
So if I sit in meditation and suddenly hear something supposedly internally, what way do I have to verify what caused the sound?
Simran will destroy it if it’s false and embellish it when it is Truth
When it is The Master He will be embellished
It all depends on which Chakra was energised
Most of the time the so called “astral travelling” is not at all
Astral but within the magnetic /etheric sphere of the earth
That stuff is enormously FULL of entities
a little sniff of simian and they can’t stand the Light
But it can happen that it is a Cry for help!
Simran will know that and help U to liberate a little that entity
No books can be written about the enormity of this Path
of 5 words 💖 We can really become ONE with The Creator
777

As Shri Ram kills Ravana
As Maa Durga kills Mahish-asura
And we in India celebrate the victory of good over evil this day
May these good over evil stories
Inspire you towards your own victories over our 5 external evils – Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh, Ahankar
Wishing all my brothers and sisters here a Very Happy Dussehra 2019.

“But it can happen that it is a Cry for help!
Simran will know that and help U to liberate a little that entity”
@777
Since when is this permitted?

A bird lived in a tree
It ate mice
It said twit twooo
How is that wise
Posted by: Mike England | October 07, 2019 at 01:57 PM
Just ensure you speak less (even in here) and hear more. With time you will have the answer to even what you ask now.
I pray the bird in you evolves to a wise old owl one day.
Cheers
AWO

Since when is this permitted?
Posted by: SP | October 07, 2019 at 10:38 PM
It’s NOT . . . on our own. 🙏
777
2 ways
-HE orders . . . (seems to be a request)
-The disciple asks . . . HE will warn the disciple about new karmas
I’m not a good example of a Gurmukhi , not at all
and thanks 4warning not to arrange my next life to complicated
Both ways are SO marvellous
777

2 ways
-HE orders . . . (seems to be a request)
-The disciple asks . . . HE will warn the disciple about new karmas
I’m not a good example of a Gurmukhi , not at all
and thanks 4warning not to arrange my next life to complicated
Both ways are SO marvellous
777
Posted by: 🙏 | October 08, 2019 at 03:11 AM
Oh yes HE orders (or requests as you say). I know this. Not just at Astral levels but also at the physical level.

An aging retired auto mechanic went to his local favorite haunt, a scrap yard, to see what he could find. He had long since stopped repairing cars but still had an interest in technology, and loved to poke around wrecks to get a glimpse of their inner workings.
His friend, Leroy, who ran the junk yard, and who lived in a small and worn home within walking distance greeted his old friend as he totttered through the chain linked gates.
“Hey Tom.”
“Leroy”
“What you up to?”
“Nuthin. Anything interesting?”
“Yah, actually. I want you to look at something I can’t figure out. ”
They walked past four aisles of wrecks stacked 20 feet high and down the fifth about half way. On the ground in the middle of the aisle were 20 lengths of what looked like tubes of a light alloy with uneven lengths and ends perfectly sealed, but at odd angles.
The two men staired at the pile of tubes in silence for several seconds
“What is it?” asked Tom
“You tell me. Your the expert.”
“Shit, I don’t have a clue. Too nice for interior frame, chassis, or engine housing.”
Tom picked up a piece, “So light. Aircraft parts?”
“Do you know any one who could tell?” Leroy asked.
“Can I take these home for a few days and think about it?” asked Tom
“Wear yourself out, old man” Leroy replied.
Over the next week Tom searched the internet, held the pieces, tried to see if they fit together somehow, and thought. He called some old aircraft repair friends from long ago. Everyone had a guess of one kind or another, but nothing panned out.
He resigned himself to the thought that they belonged to a much larger and much more complex machine or some huge structure, and that what he had was entirely incomplete. He just had a few loose parts. There was no “whole” he could make with these 20 pieces. They belonged to something else.
But he couldn’t let go of the idea that these twenty pieces actually were something. One night he woke with an idea. He arranged the pieces on the floor. He arranged them as outlines to other shapes. He tried dozens of complex shapes. Then he began to notice that several pieces were of similar length. When he held the uneven edges on the ends of two tubes together and turned them just so, they locked in place, as if by very strong magnetism. And once they locked into place, their surfaces were so well manufactured that no seem was visible on the joint no matter how close you looked. And once they locked, they could not be twisted apart. They looked like one solid angle. He tried it with other pieces but no joy. Tom figured it had to be an exact fit for the correct pieces to trigger the mechanism.
Tom felt his spine tingle. He was onto something new, and strange, from an intelligence he was just beginning to get to know.
It was midnight when the first two ribs locked into place.
“This is gonna need coffee”.Tom put on a pot and continued.
Four hours later he had what looked like seven different simple geometric shapes arrayed on his small living room floor.
They looked familiar. Tom went to the internet and found pictures of tangrams… Shapes built by different arrangements of the same seven pieces.
He was excited, but tired, and fell asleep on the couch. In his dream multi – colored tangram pieces arranged themselves into birds, towers, cows, sailboats, cats, letters and numbers.
From a stack of twenty mishapen looking tubes, seven perfect geometric shapes, and from these?
The next day, after breakfast, Tom began to play with his tangram pieces, arranging them into different shapes on the floor, following the guidelines on the internet.
Then, an idea came into his mind. He tried to rearrange the shapes to match. He couldn’t figure it out, and went out to lunch.
He got distracted and forgot about his earlier excitement. He pulled the shapes up in one corner near the curtains and they gathered dust there for a year. He simply forgot. And when he was vacuuming he moved the stack of pieces out and back as if it was just a simple and meaningless puzzle.
But one day, when he had caught a bad cold and was unable to go out, he lay on the couch staring around the room, and his eyes fell upon the huge puzzle pieces.
He took the pieces and in minutes it came to him. As he set each piece next to the other, they locked into place as if they were one piece. He knew he was on to something.
When all seven formed the shape of a door, they shimmered, and a portal of light opened where there had been just shapes on the floor.
From 20 pieces of scrap.
That was the last day of Tom’s normal life, and his first day of an impossible adventure.

Nice one Spence.
Is this a story your son wrote, either whole or with you?

Not something to do while driving.
It’s not a drug
IT can easily do the driving 4U
777

Hi Michael
Thank you for asking. No this is my thought, while sitting on the plane last evening.
Sam is more of a Witcher /The Fixer fan, and his own Manga art is along those lines… We went to New York Comic Con last weekend and had a great time.
The words of Simran are the pieces of scrap. They appear as nothing of note. But the angle of their approach, the way they are held and consciously digested in that internal poetry (only to transform into life and digest us!) was my thought. How to reflect what happens? Hence the story. It is a matter of focus and unfolding, transforming, unlocking a natural treasure from nothing more than gentle and persistent focus. That was my thought.

I have NOT ONCE heard anything offensive or out of line. I only see/hear and feel the love currents of Hazur flowing from BBJ. Maybe access a little more why you are so bent of bad mouthing him and look at yourself for a change.
Please don’t be offended with my comment.
Posted by: Vijay
Thank You Vijay
That’s a complete other description instead of
one man of one day cannot stand sexy words if it were
If I had been present It would surely had been for me a grand manmukh on
4 of the 5 aspects
and certainly on 69 and butt Jim
But you found that out already
But I can by His Grace without any efforts from myself
also be present above the 7th chakra where only Love exists and no
movies
Also towards our Masters Compassion will be appreciated by The Holy Ghost
and innumerable lower Ghosts
Stop the the thoughts Jim, that’s why you were born
NOT for observing God’s SatGurus and their karmas
777
please you people
google above at the right side : PHIL UK grandfather
and
see that there is no grain of karma involved
from kal’s standpoint
Myself btw , I am personal witness about other millions from Europe then freely
given to Gurinder for any Goal where HE thought it would be fine
and the almost free medications (Generics) for the poor
are high high above the top of the list
Mr Mohan had not the money needed
ps
Jim
Don’t think that the earth magnetic/etheric sphere of dreams and
so called astral travelling
has a bit to do with the Astral Region
You make Brahma/Yahweh nasty saying that

Spence
Ah. It was an allegory.
Sorry I missed it.
Anyways, it is a good story, much better than the anodyne allegories and analogies I’ve heard over the decades at Satsang.
Cheers
M

–
Whatever will happen
will be HIS MAUJ
777

I thought surely I’d succeed trading short. That didn’t work either and was courting disaster! There was a guy who lost $106,000 overnight caught short in KBIO. Never short! Never, never, never!
Anami
I had that x0 times worse by HIS GRACE
Now know that gambling is not HIS Way
It prevents to see His Light
7

If he cant handle a couple of million dollars, how are a million satsangis garunteed salvation?
Posted by: Neon | October 10, 2019 at 10:34 PM
Hello Neon
Elementary……
The game with even billion dollars is played per Kals’ rules and even the physical manifestation isn’t excluded too. No routine interference by the ONE.
and
The game of salvation is played by that ONE’s rules. Maybe by the ONE’s whims or probably by HIM alone through his manifestations (honestly I am not wise enough to understand the ONE’s ways here). And here all Kal can do is whine at his loss.
Maybe @777 can throw some light on how the ONE chooses his marked souls.
I hope you are on board the train to salvation.
PS:
(1) GSD is vehemently dispelling long held notion of guaranteed salvation – no meditation —–> no salvation.
(2) trying really hard to not sound or be seen attacking. That’s the exclusive right of ex-ers in here. LoL
Posted by: a wise owl | October 11, 2019 at 05:01 AM

@ wise Owl . Hello.
GSD has said there is no Kal. So sorry there are no rules being adhered to.
We create our own fate. No fate but what we make.

7–
One can always look back and say, “It seemed like a good idea at the time.”

GSD has said there is no Kal.
me;
until U make one. 💖💖💖
One can always look back
me:
or forwards – with some love <<. it's not very difficult DO NO HARM & 24/7 simian does everything. 💖💖💖 Maybe @777 can throw some light on how the ONE chooses his marked souls. me: Ha ha >>. He does not – One can see them even at the other side of earth up tu alpha Centauri
he gives some sound and that’s it << they fall in love most of the time. (. 4 Million versus 6 exers ). - :-). 💖💖💖 If he cant handle a couple of million dollars, how are a million satsangis garunteed salvation? me: WOW. 💖💖💖 It's not to have a billion but to loose a billion that works don(t worry. <<<. be happy. >>>. Be immortal. 💖💖💖

For those who are interested, I’ve been inspired by the ever pure and mentally healthy Spence Tepper, and am starting fundraising campaigns for Tom Petters and Bernie Madoff, both fine men who served humanity and were unfairly judged and sentenced to prison sentences for nothing but being great men who helped poor people by taking their money and making more money with it.
I’ll be setting up a bitcoin wallet so you can make donations anonymously if you’d like.
I’m a really good person, and I just want to help innocent billionaires who offered their all for the benefit of the world, because I’m such a good person who is so good, and my heart is so pure and full of goodness.

I am in France but 2 hours ago I got an email from my good satsangi Friend In Delhi, High Level IT networking security specialist who helps me often
Dear Brother Ji,
Radha Soami Ji.
By HIS grace, I visited HIM today and got His amazing darshan.
I went with mother and father. H wanted to go but had to stay,
A also stayed back at home but cried so much as she wanted to go with me – OMG – very difficult to see kids crying.
But, what a day it was today.
I felt of attending His satsang after years of gap.
Something happened today which gave me much more happiness even more than the news of hearing that my. xxxxxxxxxxxx. xxxxxxxxxx. xxxxxxxxx ( something private )
In Delhi and Beas, HE gives darshan on moving car because sangat has grown SO HUGE.
I was sitting very close to the path of the car,
HE usually gives Drishit with an angle of about 30° in the moving car
and it’s very hard to feel the eye contact with HIM – almost never happens.
But, today when HIS car moved past the row I was sitting in, He slightly turned and He zoomed into my eyes for a fraction of second,
and it put a big big smile on my face and I wished HIM RADHASOAMI
The QnA session was great as usual:
HE ridiculed the over indulgence and sharing of daily activities on Facebook and Instagram,
put so much emphasis on continuing to attend to the daily meditation for a good 2-3 hours.
what a day it was – I am still feeling His gaze.
will try to visit tomorrow as well – Sunday my favourite day when I get to hear HIM for around 1.5 hours.
RSJI

Imagine a life where gazing into the eyes of the harried and impatient clerk at the store has the same effect as Master’s Darshan.
But we say “oh no, they aren’t realized!”
It was never about them. Within them is everything.
It’s about each of us.
The Master is Dumbo’s feather.
Worthy of praise, living a clean life, being a positive example, representing the divine. Until the facts arise of their human failings.
But the perfection of the creation and of life is within each of us. We can find that inspiration within ourselves. We are all connected and always were connected.
Take the lessons, and love them, and then live them.

@777
So when are you planning to go to Beas?

@ wise Owl . Hello.
GSD has said there is no Kal. So sorry there are no rules being adhered to.
We create our own fate. No fate but what we make.
Posted by: Arjuna | October 11, 2019 at 12:41 PM
Hello Arjuna,
For a proclaimed non believer you seem to know a lot about what GSD says, not says or utters in his interactions. Maybe even more than we believers who have listened and listen multiple times year on year.
I could quote GSD on Kal and so Karma as well verbatim. But what’s the use? You aren’t ‘seeking’.
Then you say “We create our own fate. No fate but what we make.”
I could use this to events in your life. Again I won’t.

Take the lessons, and love them, and then live them.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 12, 2019 at 09:18 AM
We have already taken the lessons, UNDERSTOOD THEM WELL, love and live them.
Result: our profound love and respect for GSD and not your BrianJi (lol)

@ wise owl
Truth be told I’m not sure what I seek or not seek. We all get lost sometimes and when there is no light or guidance one becomes totally unemotional to anything. I stopped going to satsang in 2005. I know a lot about what he says as people tell me. And sometimes he pops into my thoughts…
You sound interesting though. Have a good day

@ wise owl
I would like to hear what GSD says about Kal?

If you read the words “GOD” written in every cell, you apprehend a lesson.
If you read the reflection in a pond, you will see the word “DOG”
And that will be your God.
Try to find it in yourself, not reflected in the world.
Not to insult dogs. And if you had to worship some external representation of God, dogs are loyal and obedient, as God is, always serving us their life without lapse. Dogs do not have the capacity for duplicity. They are purer by design.
But we are not dogs, so we worship other humans. I like the quaker approach where friends take turns reflecting that higher truth.
Enjoy the spirit of life you find in yourself. Then you can see it rightly, and not backwards, in this looking glass world where truth and shadow are easily confused, and the actual source of life hard to discern.
People who need to worship another human being do terrible things in defense of their Guru.
Imagine Malvinder, Shivinder and Sunhil, following Gurinder’s disastrous financial advice, spending their lives juggling income statements, paying off shell companies to write false checks all to cover the money Gurinder and his family never intended to repay. And this, because Gurinder said they would all go from rich to richer. India would rise and the world would fall at her feet. The windfall is just around the corner! Hang in there. The fraud is only temporary. All will soon be paid off and more.. The world will see the greatness of our Guru!
Imagine that every day when something deeper inside whispered “this is wrong,” ..and they each to themselves said “That is Kal speaking! My Guru is perfect! My Guru says this is right! We are on a path to greatness!”
Tragic. To lose the ability to know right from wrong. To destroy the ability in one’s own capacity to know right from wrong. And then with each mounting failure, to feed the ego with more pride and justification, to claim this is just a test of one’s loyalty to their Guru, God in human form. Flawless. And the greater the harm being done to others, the greater the test!
And then when the light is shined upon the whole scandel, the guru, standing upon their kingdom of real estate and other worldly gains purchased with the stolen funds claims ‘”I know nothing’… I owe nothing.”
And the Sangat cheers them!
This is Dog day afternoon.

But this is also Brian Ji’s day.
For he warned us all that magical thinking is not without harm.
It’s not innocent. It can be disastrous and harmful.

Spence you really should stop assuming things for your own good. These 3 have not done anything for their Guru they have served power and money. So much so that they have falsely accused their Guru of many things on top of stealing from him, his family and friends. As I always say the truth will come out.

Spenc said
“Until the facts arise of their human failings.”
Hi stone thrower
So bad photoshopping – I have never seen – and what a stupid party
@Brian I thought your IQ a little higher than allowing such fabricated fake bull shit
@DeraBabaJSJ
in 2025 to have my 90th birthday there , InShallah
– will even be better than my previous 4 vacations there
@Boss < Love & respect occurs only in meditation

“Imagine a life where gazing into the eyes of the harried and impatient clerk at the store has the same effect as Master’s Darshan.
But we say “oh no, they aren’t realized!””
Assuming realization or sainthood exists, how would one know who is or isn’t realized? Maybe the store clerk is realized, reading your mind and laughing on the inside because you are the disciple of a fraud and he knows it without letting you know.
It always amazes me to think about my RSSB days when I thought that because I’d chosen a book on a shelf somewhere, it gave me magical powers to know who was enlightened. And that I also knew that the person in that same book who was called enlightened was the one.
I don’t believe in enlightenment in any of its names or forms anymore, but if it did exist and I wanted to find one who had it, I certainly wouldn’t limit my search to costumed men whose pictures are published in books and who’ve amassed large amounts of followers.
Osho or Manjit might be kind enough to remind us of the name of the Indian saint who said he had 20 or 30 gurus that included trees, deer and random passer-by. He saw signs of God in everything, everywhere.

Hi Jesse
Let’s not judge the store clerk. Let’s see the force of life in in them.

Hi Anon
You wrote
“These 3 have not done anything for their Guru they have served power and money. So much so that they have falsely accused their Guru of many things on top of stealing from him, his family and friends. As I always say the truth will come out.”
They are flawed, but they were accepted by their Guru. Just like each of us. Just like the guru when he was first initiated long, long ago.
In that moment 100% responsibility for their development transferred to the Guru.
What they have done, the Guru has done.
What they have failed to do….
The Guru has failed to do….
Where they have helped others…
The Guru helped the others.
There is no escape, Anon.
This is Gurinder’s choice. No one else.
No one else exists.
And there is no escape for Gurinder.
He is the only actor here.

@Arjuna made me smile with
“” I agree but not sure why he wants to build a permanent satsang structure at Haynes. Perhaps a monument.”
me:
Haynes is almost 1OO meter above sea level
and agri fields at 70/ 80
The second serious year Tsunamies will delete London and some more
It’s there that I will be born
next going USA because of more water
and more:
That money came originally from the UK
777
don(t worry. <<<. be happy. >>>. Be immortal. 💖💖💖

Let the courts (kal) decide. 😀77😉
( If I was The GIHF , …… I would knock kal unconscious, . . .
cancel agreements
.
OMG: What an extreme bad idea )
Radha Soami Ji.
77

@Jim wrote
Jim answers: No, not me. The only worthy Candidate to become the Chosen
me:
Héé Jim . . . THAT answer shows that You
at the end of your life don’t know what kind of Energy
Darshan is
but I guess you wrote to fast or joked
and you know it:
Like the earth was trembling when Jesus died
Or when a SatGuru re-creates the Big Bang with a tiny difference ,
just for one disciple
Or God gives a certain knowledge up to the second
Wouldn’t U not first ask God. OMG. 🙂
777
Both Charan and BabaJI inside are amused Tulsi is rolling His Moustache

He calls himself a god and chases money.
Posted by: Jesse | October 13, 2019 at 08:32 AM
I think it would be better if he calls himself Lton Johhn and chases jassi holding a glass of lassi trying not to be messy to indulge in something juicy
Posted by: Lton ❤️ jessy without being messy | October 13, 2019 at 10:51 AM

but then what is happening here?
fraud with intent?
siphoning off money
death threats
this is not even close to spiritual
this is clear criminal
only a fool will turn a blind eye
run for the exit and dont look back
no spiritual truth here
Posted by: RSSB is FINISHED | October 13, 2019 at 09:50 AM
Thanks for flashing the warning here.

@ 777. I knew your answer. Thank you.

Who can imagine 200 feet high floods ?
“Five Forms of Flooding” is a framework that I use to show how diverse flooding factors can all combine for surprising impact. They are:
1) coastal storms as the most iconic form. Stronger storms have been predicted as the oceans warm, now occuring routinely, as with Hagibis. It is the heat energy in the sea that fundamentally drives cyclones.
2) Record rainfall is occurring all over the world, just as predicted with warmer oceans, evaporating more. More moisture in the air must come down as heaviers rain — or snow.
3) Increased runoff, as rainfall volume accumulates as it moves down valleys, rivers, and even to lower streets.
4) Extreme tides, often called King Tides°, are completely unrelated to weather, following a 19-year cycle, but make other coastal flooding worse. The
5th flood factor is sea level rise – though just getting started, the accelerating pace of rising seas due to melting land ice, will raise all coastal flooding this century to levels unseen in all human civilization.
° Holland 1954

Thanks for flashing the warning here.
Posted by: a wise owl | October 14, 2019 at 09:09 AM
Smart.
But then RSSB_is_FINISHED is absolutely right. No better way to describe what’s here.

Spence Tepper the man wearing 2 (or is it 3) hats, one for the inner G and one for the outer G, and one for his latest G, Brian ji.
RSSB is Finished switching hats like a revolving roulette wheel.
One day it’s SM1, then SM2, then SM3, and 4 and 4.1, 4.2a, then b, then c, then Guru is great beyond the control of delusional thinking and Maya, and subsequently a complete 180 degree switch around, Guru is a fraud, a charlatan, a con man and a thief, and without any doubts the M. Singh testimony proves it so, thus sayeth ‘RSSB is Finished’.

@Not so quick
I predicted the waters in 2008 and
the last CA earthquake precisely with the
Richter figure here on this blog
2 hours before it happened
Need more?
I predict now that RSSB will be huge then – entire main religions
will desire to follow the then SatGurus
with immense powers and Love and They will show it
In some former comments I explained more
BBJ. is just preparing the way and shouldn’t be under-estimated. 🙂
777

https://vis.sciencemag.org/greenlands-dying-ice/
7 meter 4 Greenland
20 meter for the artics
70 meter for the ant-artics

@777
He’s preparing the way by embezzling a billion dollars? And remember we’re not supposed to know about any of this — what else has been going on behind our backs?

what else has been going on behind our backs?
Zillios to the power of (^) Zillion of Regions
When U read me you will see that
all that money isn’t Mini’s Sons at all
They should declare that
Mini can declare that
There is a claim , decennia before that od Daiichi
who sold to Sun for the double
BTW
An 100% innocent person is like a mirror
If you shoot at HIM. it bounces back like boomerang
( and That is no punishment )
777
also and specifically according to kal’s books

Not Mini 77777, Nimmi
Yes its a fact.
Daiichi got cute, they took Religare to arbitration over non declared information prior to the sale of Ranbaxy to them, where their due diligence investigation must have left much to be desired. And yet somehow managed to sell the somewhat defunct Ranbaxy pharmaceuticals back under Indian management to Sun Pharmaceutical company for higher price.
Now Ranbaxy is back on track under Sun management going from strength to strength, which lends credence to the argument that Malvinder was fundamental to the fallout at Ranbaxy prior to the Daiichi arbitration award. It was largely his doing that brought about the bad karma that ensued, and it’s the thing dragging the rest of them to court over spilled milk years of poor Ranbaxy management under his watch.

PJ just ignore 7. He’s unhealthy and delusional.
He never predicted any earthquakes and just as he didn’t predict this massive scandal that I guarantee has lost more followers than gained.
I’ll make a prediction and we’ll find out who is correct.
My prediction is Gurinder is jailed, forced to give up the “gaddi” and the new low class members of RSSB riot in Punjab and Delhi. Some other family member will take over the org and it’ll be no different than any of the million other deras. Die hard tards like 7 will think the new son or cousin is a miracle. Blah blah RSSB halves in size.
The end.

777–
This saga is epic! How many amazing twists and turns in the story we could see before everyone can live happily ever after!

Hi Whodunit
Relax, Dude. It’s all going to plan, right?

@Jesse Completely agree, and that’s the outcome I’m looking for to wake everyone up as if there isn’t enough to do that already.
Things seem to be heading that way, albeit at the speed of one of 777’s melting glaciers.

Vijay
I wrote “>”.
Take care
Posted by: 7 | July 06, 2019 at 06:16 AM
777
Exactly wasn’t it “>”? You called it
Posted by: Vijay | July 06, 2019 at 06:36 AM

In some former comments I explained more
BBJ. is just preparing the way and shouldn’t be under-estimated. 🙂
777
Posted by: 🌈 7 🌈 7 🌈 7 🌈 | October 15, 2019 at 12:18 PM
It’ll be fun watching the losers with their ass on fire!!!

I predict now that RSSB will be huge then – entire main religions
will desire to follow the then SatGurus
with immense powers and Love and They will show it
Posted by: 🌈 7 🌈 7 🌈 7 🌈 | October 15, 2019 at 12:18 PM
I’ve seen the future and it will be
I’ve seen the future and it works
– Prince

777 wrote “I predicted the waters in 2008 and
the last CA earthquake precisely with the
Richter figure here on this blog”
Hi 777, I’ve always liked to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I think you reveal your hand here. And you’re holding nothing.
You “predicted” nothing “precisely” (you used the words “bigger than” or “>”), and, actually, all you did was make a claim after an earthquake had already hit California. Many experts were predicting a larger aftershock, none of whom claiming to be Gugu’s Nostradamus:
https://www.livescience.com/65876-aftershocks-ridgecrest-earthquake-coming.html
Some gullible RS initiate misunderstood time zones and thought you predicted the original earthquake, not realising you were just speculating after the event, much like the scientists in the video above.
Please don’t try and mislead people.
Thank you.

Recently I’ve received a few comments from people asking me to comment. I find myself with nothing to say, having no real interest in the worldly shenanigans of Gugu and co. But I will say this 🙂
My only interest here and the RSS forum over the past 20 odd years has been to discuss with genuine seekers of a similar bent of mind to mine. Recently I have realised, there are none. Not a single one in 20 years. I don’t mean initiates aged 40 and over (more like 60 and over!), for whom it is not my place to try and discuss or convince them of anything. I don’t mean the overwhelming majority, those born into this religion, or with elder family members, but independant, new seekers; Not. A. Single. ONE.
Wow.
That RS, and RSSB specifically, is a religion and not a genuine vehicle for spiritual exploration and growth is obvious and imo goes without saying. I don’t need to say anything, just let the apologists and defenders here keep commenting. It becomes more and more obvious with every post they write. The SPs, the Georgy Porgys (s/he who “has no connection to RSSB or Gurinder”, yet is obviously related to the religion by family connection!), the “whodunits” and all the rest. They are the best critics of RS and RSSB, imo.
The fact that the only online places to discuss RS is a now defunct and inaccessible Yahoo forum, and a blog where comments have to be moderated by a dyed in the wool atheist and materialist says it all. Which other spiritual practice is so limited in it’s discussion forums? An absolutely ridiculous state of affairs.
Yes, as per the “name” of a new commenter here, RSSB is dead. As is RS in general.
Gugu’s spectacular fall from grace is just an extension of all the various things that clearly demonstrate RS and all it’s gurus are not what they claim, from Kirpal’s various self-serving egotistical tall tales to Charan’s disgraceful and ignorant comments about homosexuality published in official literature; human, all too human.
So, have at it all. I have no interest in commenting further.
RS is not dead because of Gugu’s obvious non-guru-like behaviour. It is dead because it is an utterly absurd paradigm within which there are only failures (at liberation, not miracle stories and blind belief like any other religion or cult, or semi-lucid dreams/astral projection….but LIBERATION)
Ahh, but perhaps therein lies the secret.
Gugu’s spectacular fall from Grace will liberate more souls than any previous RS Satguru.
Tis a mystery that few will understand.
Peace.

Manjit
Just when I get fed up with the blog, you come along and post this.
A great from the heart comment
🙏

“Charan’s disgraceful and ignorant comments about homosexuality”
lol not the sacred homosexuals! How DARE he not express his desire for them to find their way into teaching positions to prey on children! (said in spastic Greta Thunberg’s accent)
I realize you’re just way too humble, spiritually advanced and all around too good to keep reading or commenting here, but you should watch the documentary about bugchasing called The Gift.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHqwf-EOtro

Open Question to anyone who believes they have an ability to unlock secrets in religious texts via skills gained from silently repeating words in Indian languages.
As we all know, in many traditions it is said that there comes a time when the world becomes extremely corrupt, evil and nearly uninhabitable for most of the population. At this time, some sort of avatar, or divine being,descends from the sky riding a white horse and kills all the evil doers on earth. It’s the same for Islam, Christianity,and Hinduism.
With this in mind, do you think Kim Jon Un riding on a white horse to the sacred mountain of North Korea is a sign that we’re all about to get completely REKT in the apocalypse?

Manjit ‘young fella’ good to read your latest post – have to say it brought up some recollection re the whole spiritual trip for me and I feel like rambling on a bit.
That you say there are no seekers of a similar bent of mind to you is both interesting and perhaps a little sad? It’s been my observation (limited of course) that over the years many young folk don’t seem to have that yearning intensity to know themselves in the same way as I and some of my friends did. There are some serious issues with depression and mental illness affecting many younger folk these days. Some say it’s due to lack of time spent within nature. Attention spans seem shorter and many are coming to terms with identity issues in a physical reality that one could describe as ‘seriously deteriorating in a natural sense’, and gearing up for likely machine consciousness in an evolutionary one. That’s my take at present.
In my late teens early twenties I was consumed with desire/longing for the truth of life/God. I investigated many so-called spiritual paths, (like others who post here). What sealed it for me (then) was meeting a really cool dude who has remained my best mate ever since – he introduced me to Sant Mat. In the eighties and nineties it (RSSB) surely did not seem to be religious-like. However, those of us brought up in the West generally only saw snippets of traditional Indian beliefs/behaviour while we were caught up in the whole guru/darshan/meditation/club-med Dera/tasty food/interesting international people trip. It sure was a pretty cool and at times blissful scene. However, I personally remained open to anything that could help with mental and emotional turbulence – hence rebirthing, Buddhist/Advaita approaches etc.
Something changed with RSSB in the early 2000s imo. I think all the new rules/loss of ‘freedoms’ were part of it. As time passed maybe your point about GSD’s cancer affecting his behaviour is valid. Also Brian started this blog then (2006?) i.e. it possibly also reflected this change.
While you say he is an atheist/materialist it’s my view that he’s still keeping an open eye on things, continues to meditate, and allows ‘interesting’ posts. I will say I’ve tried in several recently to generate interest in broader discussion around consciousness – in brain/outside, also psychedelics(which I’ve mostly read about) and neuroscience research e.g. the default mode network, but little or no return comment. Maybe people are not interested. However, I think most is lost amidst this on-going drama with ‘Gugu’. RSSB is still alive and well on this blog.
It’s alive because many of us have or had a very strong attachment to it for many years. It shaped us into the people we are today and helped us (most of us?) keep it together particularly through meditational discipline.
However all things change and as someone (and also myself) said in earlier posts – perhaps the hardest thing to give up/let go is the guru, in particular one’s concepts about that personality. At some stage you’ve gotta kill that Buddha you meet on the road.
I agree with you that Sant Mat is now a religion, maybe it always was. One thing for sure is that followers are going to have to really wake up soon when they see their guru is in court and perhaps even in jail. I have friends who have trucked on nicely over the last few years munching prasad then putting their head back in the sand. Their world will be rocked. Yet as you say this could well be Gurinder’s greatest gift to them.
Say hi to Osho if you see him.
Peace be upon thee also.

Manjit,
Can you present the facts to support your view on 777’s comment about earth quake?
Either you are more gullible than others here
OR
It is actually You who could not understand the Timezones.
If you can not, let me throw some light on the facts here:
this comment posted by 777 https://tinyurl.com/y497skgh
was posted on 6:01 AM (PST) – as recorded by Brian’s blog’s webserver.
(fyi this recording time of the comment is not editable)
And here on this page you may read:
https://www.usgs.gov/news/update-magnitude-71-earthquake-southern-california?qt-news_science_products=7#qt-news_science_products
The time recorded for the Earthquake was 10:34 AM.
Even if you would consider the daylight saving adjustment and consider PDT instead of PST, it will still be 9:34 AM.
Also here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ridgecrest_earthquakes
The reported time of the FIRST Mainshock on July 4th was: 17:33 UTC (which is 10:33 PST)
And that was the First Mainshock and it’s aftershocks resulted in further mainshocks for the next few days with different epicentres.

Some time ago a representative of RSSB had told me that the first 5 gurus of the Sikh movement were genuine saints and that the remaining 5 gurus were not. That by the time of Guru Arjan 5th Sikh guru it had started becoming enshrined as a religious institution.
Hence Nanak, Angad, Amar Das, Ram Das, and Arjan were regarded as genuine spiritual leaders and teachers / gurus. The remaining 5 gurus were not.
As noted from Wikipedia the Sikh succession of gurus was not dissimilar to that of RSSB in that there were splits and breakaway movements as well as jealous disputes between those who assumed succession when the guru favored someone else more aligned with the teaching he taught.
Arjan’s son Hargobind was given succession after his father was executed by Emperor Jahangir.
After the martyrdom of Guru Arjan, his son Guru Hargobind at age eleven became the sixth guru of the Sikhs and Sikhism dramatically evolved to become a political movement in addition to being religious.
The last 5 Sikh gurus were far removed in teaching and in principle of tenets to that of the first 5 since Nanak. Gobind Singh and Teg Bahadur were warriors who hunted and who as have been revealed in historical accounts ate meat.
Sant Mat under RSSB is quite possibly at a similar juncture that is becoming enshrined as a religious institution.
It is difficult to consider after Gurinder if there would be any successor capable of returning to a simple path unencumbered by political and financial intrigue.

Clearly the guru is clever and might get away with the fraud and the money issues he is involved in.
anyone with a brain can see he is involved in dodgy money dealings.
he could quite easily get away with it by denying everything.
obviously he received money but he can claim it was a legitimate business transaction.
they wont have any written agreement in place and if Godhwani agrees to take the rap for his part and claim he was the guilty party, the guru will not get charged.
Posted by: RSSB is FINISHED | October 12, 2019 at 03:56 PM
Convenient hedging. Cold feet maybe. Lame justifications already. See I told you so. LoL.
The guru can hoodwink all that pile of clinching evidence!!! Ex-Finance Minister of India (an immensely more powerful individual than GSD and one known for his cerebral arrogance cant)
Pile of evidence (according to you) will turn to worthless shit huh?
Sould my pity consider you worthy?
RSSB_is_FINISHED. — this ID certainly will.
Posted by: slave_of_GSD | October 15, 2019 at 08:55 PM

WhoDunit writes,…” It is difficult to consider after Gurinder if there would be any successor capable of returning to a simple path unencumbered by political and financial intrigue.”
Me: Again, Professor David Lane could pull RSSB all together, as GSD’s Successor Guru. He has not only Charan Singh’s Blessing, but has the Credentials, the Stamina, the Financial Security, and Family to back him. His long time friend, Vince Savarise could even remain the U.S. Western Rep. under Guru Laneji, and Brian Hines would be re-established as Guru Lane’s Head of Security replacing Wayne. Hines has a Black Belt, so is one Bad Assed Dudeji. In order to make RSSB Great Again, Turbans will NOT be worn by Master Laneji, or his Devotees, and Turbans will be replaced by Gold Base Ball Caps with Logos,..
MRSSBGA. ( Make RSSB Great Again). Since Professor David Lane’s Wife won’t move to India, the Dera will be moved from Beas to Palm Desert, California,where Professor Lane’s present Villa is located, and the grounds will be transformed in to RSSPD….i.e. Radaswami Satsang Palm Desert. Gurinder Singh Dhillan will be invited to sit on the Dias with Master Laneji once a year at Bhandara after Dhillon gets out of Jail and has completed his Sentence. Sawan’s Prophecy of the Spiritual Shift from East To West will unfold before our eyes. Spence will be appointed as the Scribe of RSSPD.
What do the Pundits think?
Jim Sutherland

Thank You One Initiated for the searhes
Time is going fast these days
So let’s replay it because the other phrases about Shabd are even more enlightening
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< -- """. However, religious believers and others with rigid minds start with a conclusion -- like. """ This might apply to all kind of lower chakra religions where the Beautiful Gorgeous & Lovely Sound above our eyes has been forgotten , although they hv vague remembrances in their scriptures However In RSSB cases it is : How to tell somebody in crushing worldly Love that s/he is totally wrong ? How to convince the Louvre Museum to get rid of their La Gioconda? Tell a Lover that the Beatles is shit music Convince me that I'm not happy Millions of analphabetic RSSB initiates not only hear but are profoundly encapsulated mesmerized by that unstruck TANGIBLE phenomenon and many ascended/hiked already in triumph, yet stay humble Tell Captain Picard that his Enterprise Ship can't fly Nagging these Jeevas might result in >6.5 on the Richter scale
777
Posted by: 777@ | July 04, 2019 at 06:01 AM
Brian declared again in a wrong statement:
“What is it like to be you? Impossible to know.”
Wrong
When we are fixed, absorbed in the Sweet Majestic Sound , . .
you are that “YOU” too
at any moment
777
Posted by: 777@ | July 05, 2019 at 02:18 AM
777
I noticed this comment of your made and posted at 6 am on the 4th of July.
“Nagging these Jeevas might result in >6.5 on the Richter scale”
Were you referring to the 6.6 earthquake near LA which happened 4 hours after?
😮
Posted by: Vijay | July 05, 2019 at 06:40 AM
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Please Don't Worry, . . . Be very Happy

The more I read this blog the more I realize what the regular commenters have in common. All want to be Guru. With the comments of Laneji, Brianji, guru jessie, Spence and his visions, osho and his oneness. This is the common thread that binds them. And this the dirt thrown at the present master.

@Whodunit
There is a clear path of succession in RSSB though. If one is a fraud then they all were.
And as for the sikh gurus, how many times do the words ‘his son’ come up lol Things don’t change.

Nancy, I’d rather be dead than to be a guru of anyone. I find the concept of gurudom to be a detriment to all human aspirations. All communication should be on 4chan and other anonymous message boards so personalities are removed completely and only the best ideas win.
I go to great lengths to be alone as much as possible and also of being truly honest, which is something most people are incapable of. Being a guru would mean having to suffer the most annoying and desperate people on earth all the time and being tortured by their unwanted attention.
I’d have to lie to my students because unlike the one true God UG Krishnamurti, it would wear me out to constantly have to point out others fantastical delusions.
If I ever become a guru I believe promise you it’s just for money and access to ditzy women with daddy issues. Nothing spiritual about it.

@ jesse
“If I ever become a guru I believe promise you it’s just for money and access to ditzy women with daddy issues. Nothing spiritual about it.”
Awesome- think we need to party in Ibiza in March. The women are out of this world.

I can say with absolute certainty that there are fekall chance of any gurus on this here site. This is a fact, almost as certain as death & taxes.

“I go to great lengths to be alone as much as possible and also of being truly honest, which is something most people are incapable of.”
Jesse, you would make a wonderful guru, even your comments here make me laugh and cheer me up. I love honesty but unfortunately most people have a facade and play their little games and I probably do the same, being polite just to survive!

Ok Arjun. Baba Ibiza it is.
Get the club rented and the liquor poured. We’re partying our way into heaven.

Hi Georgy
You wrote
“I can say with absolute certainty that there are fekall chance of any gurus on this here site. This is a fact, almost as certain as death & taxes.”
Everyone is a teacher of something, Georgy. Every parent teaches their child. But children also teach their parents. But can their parents learn from their children? And thus learn to be better parents?
I think the quality of a good teacher is that they have mastered the art of being a top student.
Being a good student doesn’t make you a good teacher, but I think it’s a minimum condition.
As for a Guru, a spiritual teacher, I’ve learned many spiritual lessons and life lessons from Satsangis and non – Satsangis. Not just my Master and Gurinder.
The same joy, the same utter bliss I used to get sitting in the Master’s presence I now get within. He is there. Isn’t that what we all wanted? So when we finally are blessed with that, it’s very difficult to be harsh with anyone. The harshness only comes acknowledging facts, which we are obliged to do. It is a necessity to be very strict about our vows, and facts as part of maintaining a clean atmosphere of helpfulness and ahimsa. But how we handle those difficult truths should reflect brotherhood.
So, I think we all really just want to submit, submit, submit to that sunny warmth. Everyone does. Even the Master, at least a perfect Master, is in constant submission to their own Master.
The best teachers are the best students. They aren’t actually teachers at all. That’s a side function. Others follow them, others can’t help but gravitate to them. Real teachers, if you can even use that term, take no formal authority. Their students submit from love, not any formal position.
Their first job is to be a good student. And so whether you are a teacher, which can only be truly defined by those who elect to follow you, your only real job is to be the best student.
If you are a good student, you learn, you investigate, you listen and reflect. What you get from that submission to the reality around you and within you is everything. You are trying to understand, especially those who have completely different views. Understand and appreciate. And at first your own Master may seem very foreign. But in time you become him, he becomes you.
Let’s put opinions aside for a while, and appreciate the kindness of being in each other’s company. These little relationships are like chocolates. Some are bittersweet, some dark, some very syrupy (my favorite), but they are here and gone in an instant.
Those little gulab jamin balls in syrup, how sweet, but devoured all too soon.
Then when we are above this and we all can see for ourselves, that open view won’t be so special. It’s the kindness we showed here, when we were ignorant of any reason to be kind, but did it anyway.
Like watching animals show wordless acts of compassion for each other. Their very limitations make those acts very special.

Jesse, you would make a wonderful guru, even your comments here make me laugh and cheer me up. I love honesty but unfortunately most people…

That’s the spirit… we need a “party guru” ala Omar:
“Drink wine. This is life eternal. This is all that youth will give you. It is the season for wine, roses and drunken friends. Be happy for this moment. This moment is your life.”
― Omar Khayyam
Of course you need to be a bit cautious:
“To wisely live your life, you don’t need to know much
Just remember two main rules for the beginning:
You better starve, than eat whatever
And better be alone, than with whoever.”
― Omar Khayyám

This is a satsang from the supreme guru of all mankind. The true sant preaching the current yugadharma.
Five minutes and forty five seconds that will change your life forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoPtz0Xt91c

Ok Arjun. Baba Ibiza it is.
Get the club rented and the liquor poured. We’re partying our way into heaven.
Posted by: Jesse | October 17, 2019 at 05:23 PM
Hello Caligula oops Jesse
Don’t forget to send in the pics. We’ll have a nice thread on this too.