Shocking tale of a punch in the face at a RSSB meeting

Seriously Brian you are still talking about this? Osho said he apologized and is done with this incident. How come you are so invested in it? Nothing better to write about?

Nancy, as noted in this post, Osho Robbins emailed me the second part of his story today and wanted me to share it on my blog. All the words below the dotted line are from Robbins. So I don’t understand why you seem to think I wrote this post.

It’s hard to sympathize with someone who believes in all this stuff anyway and who has written all these fawning comments about Gurinder and his Supreme Realizations.
Since Osho is quoting Jesus, he should also remember that Jesus had a sevadar who chopped some dudes ear off.

Attn. Brother OSHO Robbins from Jim Sutherland:
Osho, I am glad I never made a Nuisance out of my self at the Dera when I had all my problems trying to get my phone and Passport back to be released from Lock Up!
After I “ escaped” with out getting punched , I wasn’t EVER planning to go back there, or to ANY other RSSB Satsang in ANY country after experiencing what I did, and hearing GSD say what he said, as I reported.
But it was YOU, my Chief Antagonizer, who kept making fun of me, and making jokes, about my extreme disappointments , of seeing, hearing and experiencing what I did, on my first Dera Visit with my Wife in Oct, 2017, after being a 30 year RSSB initiate.
So, what goes around, comes back around. I am seeing Karma in Action in your story. Now you might have an Idea how I felt, being made fun of, and made the Joke of Brian’s Church, bombarded with all sorts of nasty comments and jokes, with you taking the lead.
But, if you noticed, I moved on, and quit crying big Puppy Dog tears, looking for sympathy and attention. There is no sympathy here, or at the Dera, for you, me, or any one else.
No doubt in my mind. RSSB has become a full blown Cult under Gurinder Singh Dhillon’s Dictatorship.
Osho, do your self a big favor. Take Jessie’s advice, and move on!!! There is nothing left at RSSB for you, except some more Oneness Ass Whoopin, if you keep showing up looking for Gurinder’s sympathy.
From all I have read here, since you have been crying, the only sympathy you received has been from Brain, Arjuna and Manjit, with each different opinions than the other exers and anonymous Satsangis hiding behind their pseudo Avatars.
Eyes forward, stiff upper lip, wipe your tears, buy new glasses, and Soldier on, Brother!
Jim Sutherland
Gone, but never forgotten.

@Gone but never forgotten
The one and only Jim Sutherland
Hi Jim
Your comments duly noted.
The day 2 account has been posted for completeness.
I seek no sympathy or any outcome. I have simply stated what happened on Saturday, after the previously posted events of the Friday.
No reflection on GSD personally.
This is specifically about the individual sevadars who carried out the attack.
They said “nobody saw anything. Nothing happened here, got it guys?”
Thinking that because nobody witnessed the punch except this closely knit group of individuals, nobody will know.
They underestimate the power of truth and the power of the written word.
What I cannot understand is
If they have no interest in the RSSB teachings, then why continue as a sevadar.

Hi Osho.
We get it. Shit happens. And it’s bothering you still, hence the even more detailed accounts.
What exactly, in 100 words or less, is the take-away?
We believe you because we know this is how some people behave the world over. And even much worse than this. They didn’t follow the rules. Yah, people do that.
Did you file a formal police complaint? Assault? Harrassment? No?
You are probably the most surprised that this happened.

Hi Osho
You wrote
“If they have no interest in the RSSB teachings, then why continue as a sevadar.”
Under fear, high threat, people react in ways they would never otherwise. Your second visit was a second, escalated, threat on top of an already reactive situation. Hence the gang behaviour.
When they said you were banned that was a weak and empty attempt to get control. It was their reaction under a situation they never see.
The phone thing is a big deal to them. You crossed that police tape with impunity. You took away there control. They reacted. First fear, then anger, then reaction “you are banned for life!”
But instead of understanding these folks didn’t know what to do with someone pissing on the sacred phone rule, you went back and shit on it.
These sevadars are under pressure and they are not professional security. Then you broke their new rule and when you came back and challenged them. It was a pissing match, Osho. You know this.
And no one wins those.

“do your self a big favor. Take Jessie’s advice”
My sainthood and realization levels noticed by yet another. I do no advertisement, believe it or not. Speaking the truth is extremely attractive.
Osho, stop going to these radha soami brawls and start realizing truth with me.

Oops, I apologize, I just re-read the account and saw that you filed a police complaint. That’s good Osho. You did the right thing.
I’m sure you didn’t want to, and I’m sure it took a lot to take that step. But it adds a minimum standard of decency. Thank you.

Since Osho is quoting Jesus, he should also remember that Jesus had a sevadar who chopped some dudes ear off.

Phone-ectomy and a “tune-up” may seem tame but I’m with
Osho. Police report and possible civil action are warranted.

Osho, I have questions. What happened to your family who you saw? Your story goes from your brother in law getting all stern with these sevadars, and then you just disappearing.
Why didn’t your brother in law follow you wherever you were going? Or why when they took you away did he not contact police or create a scene? Sounds like he came up to the scene, talked some crap to these guys who were hassling you, then just left you alone to get beat up while he went to “satsang.”
Get a new family, man. The one you have sounds weak.

Osho
It’s been like a month right? No action taken by the UK police? I hope the Magnificent Seven (since you seem to like referring to movies) haven’t bamboozled the UK police force. You never know these Men in White might use their very own Neuralyzer to erase every incriminating bit.
Any official response from Dera Management? I recollect you telling me you are in the process of writing to them too.
Any plans to sell the copyrights? I foresee cash registers ringing on the release of The Lone Ranger vs The Magnificent Seven.

“My sainthood and realization levels noticed by yet another. I do no advertisement, believe it or not. Speaking the truth is extremely attractive.“. – Sant Baba Hazur Puran Dhani Jesse Ji New York Valli
I am not sure where you are from so I just made up NY but please replace with actual city.
I think you should open up a dera right across the road from Haynes Park and call it “The highest science of The atman institute”
And foot note it with
“We guarantee no violence will be used if you break our rules. As we don’t have any. “
And finally state the main marketing benefit
“Sant Baba Jesse Ji will personally come at the time of your death and take you straight to Sach Khand in his golden winged horse. You will receive your own detached 7 bedroom mansion with a swimming pool. And a new Mercedes S320 Limousine. However you have to meditate for 30 minutes every day without fail”
You will get flocks and flocks of people
If you need help with security call me

@Hazur Jesse Singh Ji
Good point.
I never made that clear.
So I walked off towards the exit. So it was reasonable to assume that the episode was over.
They must have spoken to them for a short while then carried on to the satsang tent. There was no reason to think that anything further would develop.
If they suspected or even if I did, they would have accompanied me to my car and even to the Haynes park gate.
However it was unreasonable to think they were going to take further action when I had already agreed to leave.
That is why it was an unprovoked act of bullying and clearly premeditated.
Thank you for asking as others too may be confused.

Since Osho is quoting Jesus, he should also remember that Jesus had a sevadar who chopped some dudes ear off.

Yea that was Simon Peter the rock he built his church on.
Jesus restored the centurion’s ear and told Simon
“Those who live by the sword perish by the sword”
Clearly the sevadars that dealt with me believe in violence.

“But instead of understanding these folks didn’t know what to do with someone pissing on the sacred phone rule, you went back and shit on it.”
– Spence
Standard procedure is to delete the file and get them to deposit the phone until end of satsang.
However in my case they did not follow standard procedure.
They need rules and accountability above them, not free reign to handle it as they are fit.
Delegation is great but accountability is also needed.

You’re a Narcissist Osho and this time someone took umbridge.

“We get it. Shit happens. And it’s bothering you still, hence the even more detailed accounts.
What exactly, in 100 words or less, is the take-away?“. – Spence Tepper
It’s not bothering me at all. However I have filed the full information for completeness.
I will now be writing officially to the Dera at both Haynes and Head office for their response.
I don’t care how they handle this, it’s their business to handle it as they choose.
I have not mentioned names on the public posting as my motivation was not to incite the situation further. At the same time I wanted to report exactly what happened, anyone with any intelligence can see this is all true because I don’t have any reason to make this up. I don’t attach any blame either. They are just people.

We all agree that Osho made the mistake of recording the satsang using his phone and broke “satsang rules”
HOWEVER, Does that allow any of the sevadars to react and punish him using “gangster style assaults” ?
If this was a rock concert and the bouncers reacted in similar way it could very well be understood.
Haynes Park is often referred to as the Dera of UK – and Babaji spends much time with the sevadars when he visits…so its surprising to have such degrading behaviour from the sevadars – are they not told during briefings to treat the sangat – the guests of the Master, with love and respect…

Personaly I think and know that some sewadars are ,can be terrible..
I know that from Dera in earlier times..
I wrote everything to Babaji and when I came back there it was much better.
I think these sewadars needs to learn a big lesson!!
It would be good if Babaji took them for soem BIG lesson in Humbleness!!

Brother i could have believed you before,
But this incident happened in front of me, the was never hit or anything like that. His phone was taken away because it is clearly stated that you can’t take your phone or camera and when you do something like that you break the rule on someone’s personal property. Of course everyone is allowed if they want to come but it it still personal property.
Tell me something you go to someone’s house. Will you do anything you feel like, even if they clearly tell you not to do it. And if you do they are entitled to stop you and tell you to go away.
I repeat he wasn’t beaten or punched. Infact he complained to the cop that his phone was taken away and the cop responded same that if you into someone’s property you have follow their rule.

# Osho
Told you before – right uppercut to the one who punched you.
For me it would have been a natural reaction. More a straight left jab to the jaw
Laters brother . Eyes Front

Osho
Seems like you are trying to prove/demonstrate what you already know;
That RSSB is monstrously over organised and is now a huge corporate entity that has lost intimacy/informality and is prey to abuses simply due to the sheer numbers of people drifting around in the organisation.
Why take a phone in in the first place? Given their security paranoia this was always going to be incendiary.
Doesn’t excuse the alleged behavior (which warrants police investigation) but is understandable even inevitable when something reaches the level of bureaucracy, logistics and stresses demanded of managing those sheer numbers.
Along with those who are motivated by love and service you are always going to get bravado males on security duty. Without the necessary training and social skills you end up with it all deteriorating to the levels you experienced with one of them sounding like a wannabe SS Officer!
Seriously though you push the envelope and you are going to get pushed back! What else can you honestly expect?
Krishnamurti told the story of the Devil out for a walk with a friend. They see a man on the road ahead bend down and pick something up. “What is it?” asked the Devil’s friend. “A piece of the truth'” said the Devil.
“Aren’t you worried?'” said the Devil’s friend.
“Not at all’ said the Devil, “I am going to let him organise it!'”.

Osho, the incident you have described in detail, makes me think of something , we can read about now and then in the papers namely that someone, passing the custom control and being asked, what is in that violin box, answers jokingly, “a stengun”.
In all the reported cases, these people were arrested, and banned for years from airport, airline etc.
Those who deal with these issue are not at all interested in the motivation, however innocent.
For THEM security is a deadly serious matter not to be joked with.

Osho
So you think naming publicly (even in here) would incite the situation further?
Go ahead do it. What will it be then? An army of supporters turn up at Haynes to land upper cuts and what ever else on these Sevadars
and trigger a chain reaction huh?
Or is the reason for not naming self preservation?
I hope you do realise that
– Apart from somebody promoting a narrative in here and words expressing fake sympathy there is nothing more for you on this and
– that the posters in here (including myself) and even the owner of this site are an inconsequential lot.
Good luck to you in your efforts pursuing the matter the right way – with the police and Dera Management. I hope something good comes out.
The publicity stunt was avoidable imo. Unless you were involuntarily seeking it (could it be HPD?) . Brian has said it was you who wanted part 2 published, you knowing that most in here were’nt waiting to hear more about the incident..

@akshiii
Thank you for confirming that it happened in front of you. Clearly you are referring to Friday, when my phone was taken from me against my permission.
You are Absolutely correct in saying that so called the police. You are also correct in saying that I was not punched in the face.
Because if you read the above, I have never said I was punched in the face on Friday. That happened on Saturday and I am pretty sure you were not there.
You are most likely the guy who originally asked me to leave the tent after dropping my phone, or one of the few sevadars who may have seen my phone being taken and my conversation with sevadar #2 when I asked for my phone back.
You could also be the sevadar who walked with me to the lost and found office.
You state that if I break someone’s rules in their house. They can tell me to leave.
Absolutely I agree.
But go read what I wrote.
I said I wanted to leave. They would not let me because they would not return my phone.
That is illegal.
It is called theft.
I asked for my phone back and they refused. Tell me if you think that is reasonable.
I was NOT punched on Friday. That was Saturday. But at least your comment confirms that my phone was taken away without my permission and sevadar #2 refused to return it to me. You obviously know the identity of sevadar #2.
Clearly you were not there when the police accompanied me to the lost and found office. We went inside the office and the police told the sevadars there that the phone must be returned immediately because it is illegal to keep hold of my phone.
The police did not say that since I broke the rules, it was okay to take my phone as you seem to think. Not sure where you got that idea from but it’s wrong.

Well SP, if the Dera management for reasons of their own would shows mercy on him, and order the management in Haynes and the sevadars there, to leave him alone, that would be his only chance for an [positive] end to this whole affair.
That would not mean they agree with him, it would be just a matter of policy.
After the war, many an german that otherwise would have been convicted, was given the posibility to work in the USA by the government …Von Braun being one of the most known.
Otherwise it will follow him the rest of his life.
Sardar Bahadur is the only one I know of that did it in not demanding a student to be found that had stolen something and showed that kind of mercy.
The question is whether Osho would appreciate such an move and benefit from it.

This topic is getting old. Osho you got punched but do not want to do anything about it. In fact you have apologized multiple times for getting in the incident in the first place. Yet you keep telling your story to Brian wanting him to publish it. And Brian on the other hand keeps writing about the same thing over and over. All seeking attention is what it Looks like to me. This blog gets boring without some sort of RSSB scandal.
Grow up guys. Spend your time in other more productive things( Like helping the poor and sick.)

@um
I was no security risk
A person with a phone is not a security risk. I am not about to blow up Haynes park because I have a 5 min recording of the English speaker on my phone.
Please explain how that makes me a security risk.

@SP
I initially just made a few comments.
Brian already had a lot of information and I asked him to keep it confidential until I was ready to write it up.
He did exactly that and kept the information confidential until I was ready to write it up.
He knows names etc as I emailed him On the Friday evening with quite a lot of details.
I also emailed him at 10.33am on the Saturday when I was at the police station about to file the police report.
I am not taking legal action. I will let the RSSB internal management handle it.
My objective was to make it known what had happened. I am pretty sure the sevadars will have told lies to cover up but if RSSB choose to do an internal investigation they will discover lots of corruption

Ok Osho. Thank you too for recognizing my sainthood. I probably will be starting my own ashram soon. Stay tuned.
But back to the bloody violent clashes of Haynes Park. Your bro in law saw the sevadars relax for a second and decided he thought things were ok and they’d let you leave.
After knowing what you’d already gone through previously he shouldn’t have done that. And if you ever decide to break your promise and go back again, don’t go alone and don’t let them separate you from your companions.

Osho, please do read my message again.
You want me to explain something I didn’t write, nor suggested nor intended.?!
I

“I will now be writing officially to the Dera at both Haynes and Head office for their response. I don’t care how they handle this, it’s their business to handle it as they choose.”
Excuse me, but that is absolutely the wrong approach to take in this matter. It’s like writing a letter to the bishop about your child being molested by a priest. That’s something Catholics did for decades, and as we all know that course of action resulted in nothing. Anyone who’s assaulted needs to contact civil authorities and have them deal with it. An assault isn’t the business of the assaulter to “handle as they choose.”

@Nancy
This is the full details of day2.
Not previously been given.
The purpose is to accurately portray the events of both days.
Not to get attention or to seek a resolution here.
It’s the fact that this happened in a spiritual setting that teaches non violence that makes it significant.
It’s up to RSSB to review their procedures if they don’t want a repeat of this incident.
If they are happy for it to occur again then no changes are required.
I will cooperate with them if they want any details.
I will be writing to the relevant people shortly. Just been busy over the last few weeks.
If this had happened to someone else perhaps nobody would have known.
But with me clearly it was not going to remain a secret.

@um
I was responding to your comment:
“For THEM security is a deadly serious matter not to be joked with.”
So I was just stating that I was not a security risk.
Also I really don’t understand why recording are not available.
After all there are hundreds of them already on YouTube, so they may as well release them officially and sell them on CDs.
Perhaps it might clear up a lot of the misunderstandings

Dear “J”
Finally, the voice of reason.

Osho,
As for THEM, the custom officials, the rules are important and NOT what the traveler has in mind, so for the sevadars, the rules are also important and not what visitors have in mind.

@j
I am not here to reform RSSB or their sevadars.
I have trouble reforming myself.
Kirpal Singh was fond of quoting swami Ram Tirath who wrote
“Reformers Wanted
– Not of others
– but of themselves”
Why should I be concerned about reforming others? It’s enough that I have brought this incident to the attention of those who are concerned.
I also don’t care to be reinstated
Or to allowed to attend satsang.
It was no big deal when I used to go, just as it was no big deal when I was a speaker.
It was all entertainment
As was this incident.
A mild punch is not a big deal.
It’s just a big deal that it was
Unprovoked and premeditated.
And sevadar #2 telling me he is the dangerous one, not the guy who punched me. It’s almost like he loved bullying a defenceless satsangi.
Maybe one day Arjuna will go there and the outcome will be very different.

and OSho ….
>>Also I really don’t understand why recording are not available.
After all there are hundreds of them already on YouTube, so they may as well release them officially and sell them on CDs.
Perhaps it might clear up a lot of the misunderstandings << They, those in Haynes park, owe you nothing, no explanation, nothing. It is THEIR world, it is not a shop, hotel, sportclub, school or whatever … people are neither invited, or guest, or customer they have NO rights whatsoever. People talk about MY Master etc as if there is anything that belongs to them … it doesn't. They can do whatever they like as they do not bind themselves to anything or anybody. Remember the words of his uncle … you people are poor beggars. Meaning, that if you want something from another person, than you have to act according their wishes, you cannot order it from them or tell them how to be a giver. It is all that simple Osho .. you don't matter ,,, you cannot force them to act according your wishes. You can go to the police, possible they will fine these persons, and after that life will go on an business as usual.

I think J is probably correct that reporting this to RS management makes no sense. Osho has a responsibility to report this to the police. Violent criminals can’t just be ignored.

“It’s almost like he loved bullying a defenceless satsangi.”
At the risk of going against the 9/11 topic adhesion rule, I have to point out that you’ve stated you’re not a satsangi many times Osho.
It’s not a gang. Getting punched in the face is not how initiation works.

Osho you say
“This is the full details of day2.
Not previously been given.”
Sorry but these details have been repeated again and again. You have mentioned the punching, the six sevadars, the glasses breaking all of that multiple times.
“The purpose is to accurately portray the events of both days.”
Have you noticed you are the only one who is telling the story of what happened On both days? Not one of the 6 sevadars are giving their account. So everything that has been said about this has come from you. How much more accurate (according to you) can that be?
“Not to get attention or to seek a resolution here.”
You say that yet you keep repeating again and again. So what exactly are you trying to achieve?
Ever heard of letting go and moving on?

Hi Um
You write
“Remember the words of his uncle … you people are poor beggars.”
I believe you may have remembered this incorrectly. We are all members of the same creation.
He said “We are all beggars” and as such we should treat each other kindly.
You write
“They can do whatever they like as they do not bind themselves to anything or anybody.”
This is also false. True Saints are always there for their initiates. They are forever bound to them, merge with them, carry them inside themselves and are inside each disciple.
This is true regardless of the behavior of the disciple.
Nothing Osho did warranted the behavior of the Sevadars.
But their entitled behavior is right in line with the philosophy you have cited.
That may be the culture today of RSSB, entitled, inflexible, unapologetic and superior in ego. They met their equal in Osho. Hence the pissing contest.
But it isn’t what Maharaj taught. It’s no longer Sant Mat.
All Saints are humble and accommodating.
If you will re-read Osho’s account you will see it became a pissing match of egos. It didn’t help Osho at all.
Let me script for you an alternative way of handling this…
“I’m sorry Osho, but we have a rule that no pictures or recordings are too be made. I’d love to take pictures and recordings of Baba Ji and the speakers all day long, too. I know it is because this is important to you. But our Master wishes otherwise. He wants us to be in the moment and in the atmosphere, and to commune with his Sangat, not a rock star on stage facing a sea of cell phones. This is His style and it is his rule. So, please brother, submit your phone, or you are most welcome to keep your phone and to leave, go home and enjoy his company within, in any way you like. Please don’t take this personally. Everyone loves him and I have to give this speech a lot, especially to the younger members. They are attached to their cell phones. But that is just one more attachment we will have to leave behind. Why not practice starting now? There is no harm and it will only be to your benefit to live without all the worldly toys for a little while. ”
Had anyone taken the time to lovingly explain, I am sure Osho, despite his personal desires, would have respectesd these rules.
It only takes a little gentle attention. As an equal. As a brother.
But as you can see, the RSSB culture today is quite different.

Hi Oshi,
Eventually you did sum up the full story as it happened..I know it was shocking to be treated badly by some sevadars in a very wild manner, which really reflects their understanding of the spiritual path..It is no more than a bossy, egoistic move just to prove their superiority of being obedient sevadars..I, being an ex-sevadar myself totally disagree with many rules and regulations which i found them to make an isuue of..The best thing to do is to call it quits and move on..I’m sure with a dedicated will of wanting to know who you really are, just persue into the pointings of oneness by different masters on you tube, which is much easier and hassle free..Forgive & forget all that happened and learn from these experiences that the outer world is never perfect but the witness that you are remains as it is..Addy

@ Sant baba Jesse huzur puran dhani ji
I used to give talks. I have been initiated and most of my comments on here are pro-RSSB well to be more accurate
Pro GSD because I am not too keen on the organisation side of RSSB.
So all that qualifies me as a Satsangi.
My guru, Charan Singh might come at my death along with Thakar, Darshan, dr harbhajan, swami divyanand, Ajaib,
To take my soul to Sach khand.
Oh , I almost forgot, also Sant Hazur Baba Jesse Ji will also come even though I didn’t meditate the full 30 mins.
It should be quite a party.
And when I get to Sach Khand, who is going to be the security there?
I just hope it’s not the same magnificent seven who get promoted to Sach khand because of their exceptional level of seva in Haynes Park.
What is the definition of a satsangi?
When the guru grabs your arm, he never lets go.
When the magnificent seven catch you with a mobile phone, they punch you in the face. It’s their own personal initiation

He knows names etc as I emailed him On the Friday evening with quite a lot of details.
I also emailed him at 10.33am on the Saturday when I was at the police station about to file the police report.
Updating Brian – following orders from him to let him know the status of a job tasked?

I think J is probably correct that reporting this to RS management makes no sense. Osho has a responsibility to report this to the police. Violent criminals can’t just be ignored.
Jesse
Osho claims he has reported the matter to the police – at 10:30 am that Saturday he was with the cops to file his report about a mild punch and simultaneously updating Brian (LOL). I bet he doesn’t mind sharing the same in here.
But he doesn’t want to take legal action. Maybe in the UK he has this option even after filing a police complaint. Maybe he knows that his case is likely to be thrown out by the courts. Or could be that the UK is no better and he expects his case to drag on the next 20-30 years.
Volumes written about the incident but silence on why he doesn’t want to take legal action.

Nancy,
What’s this? Don’t you get it – the agenda here is to keep peddling a narrative . The sensationalizing of the two threads (part 1 and 2) is hard to miss and have been most popular from the site’s perspective.
In ways it’s we all who are contributing. Best would have been that nobody reacted. The whimper would have disappeared without a fuss.

SSDD (same stuff different day)!
By the way, did anyone see this? Did someone request SEBI to change its directive?
Sebi refuses to modify direction to recall loans from Singh brothers, others in Religare case – Times of India
https://m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/sebi-refuses-to-modify-direction-to-recall-loans-from-singh-brothers-others-in-religare-case/amp_articleshow/71085717.cms

I used to give talks. I have been initiated and most of my comments on here are pro-RSSB well to be more accurate
Pro GSD because I am not too keen on the organisation side of RSSB.
So all that qualifies me as a Satsangi.
Osho,
How many years into RSSB? Claim you are an old timer. Ever read the below
“One does not become a satsangi simply by being initiated. One must mould his life in accordance with the principles of satsang. Every thought, speech and action must conform to them. Actions speak louder than words. Thoughts are even more potent. A satsangi’s daily conduct must bear the hallmark of excellence and must reveal that he is the follower of a true Master.”
Maharaj Jagat Singh, The Science of the Soul
So buddy I doesn’t matter what you think of yourself. From the Masters perspective you don’t look good at all and this ongoing tamasha probably makes you look worse.

The magnificent seven
Charan Singh, Thakar, Darshan, dr harbhajan, swami divyanand, Ajaib, and our very own Sant Hazur Baba Jesse Ji

@Nancy
I wrote
““This is the full details of day2.
Not previously been given.”
You said
Sorry but these details have been repeated again and again. You have mentioned the punching, the six sevadars, the glasses breaking all of that multiple times.”
There is a huge difference between mentioning a few details and giving a full and detailed report.
The initial post was made by Brian collating a few of my comments
That post alone had 225 comments.
The account of day one had 130.
And 45 so far here.
Makes over 400 comments in total.
Clearly, others are interested in the topic, so drop the complaining and move on. Take your own advice and let go.
And you say it’s getting boring , and you want to hear about a new scandal.
Well this is not being written specifically to satisfy your appetite for a new scandal. That’s the third comment you have made on the topic while others are engaging with the topic of the blog.
Clearly you need to let go, and stop repeating yourself as your comments are getting boring now.
Find something more useful to do with your life.
And just for your information, obviously the seven sevadars will lie. They already have. I witnessed it first hand.
It might not be a big deal to you, but clearly it’s not standard procedure to assault members of the sangat. Unless of course it is, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Perhaps others don’t publicise it.

@SP
I was naturally shocked that things could go so far. I decided this needs to be made known. Hence the emails to Brian.
It’s not about a job being tasked. It’s about stating what had happened so others are aware.
Clearly GSD was aware that an incident had happened by the following Sunday but most likely it was the version from the sevadars involved.
That will be mostly because of the article posted on churchless, because clearly the sevadars are not going to volunteer the information.
After all they said to each other “nobody saw anything, nothing happened. Got it guys?”
Obviously they know that what they had just done (physical assault totally unprovoked) was not acceptable behaviour to GSD. They knew they were not about to get medals.

@SP
You quoted from a book:
“One does not become a satsangi simply by being initiated. One must mould his life in accordance with the principles of satsang. Every thought, speech and action must conform to them. Actions speak louder than words. Thoughts are even more potent. A satsangi’s daily conduct must bear the hallmark of excellence and must reveal that he is the follower of a true Master.”
Cool.
So now explain how seven sevadars can attack one defenceless guy, completely unprovoked, who is on his way towards the exit of Haynes.
Actions speak louder than words.
Tell me: are these the principles of satsangi?
Is this the correct behaviour that bears the hallmark of excellence and shows by example what amazing humans the path produces?
So from the point of view of the master, do the actions of these sevadars make the master feel proud?
SP clearly you need a reality check
You excuse those extreme actions and you question me just calling myself a satsangi?
Not sure what planet you come from, but it’s not earth

Dear brother Osho: Sorry to hear about the attack on your person. Kal fights tooth and nail for every Soul. When you were Initiated by Charan Singh — under the direction of Sat Nam (Sat Purush)– Kal lost! But He also knows that you will bring many to the path. Master loves and protects ALL his children. The REAL Master is inside and so is the TRUE Satsang — The Shabad that is without beginning or end.

@SP
From your comments you clearly seem to know a lot of information about reasons and motivations, when you were not even there and at best you can have unfounded opinions.
Might be better for you to spend your time in meditation especially as your guru forbids you to comment on here
And you clearly have ignored that advice choosing instead to comment on matters you have no awareness of.
The quality of your comments show that you are very confused.
For instance you tell Nancy that the best policy is not to comment, yet if you count your own comments, you have 5 comments in the last 10, why not follow your own advice instead of preaching to Nancy and others

Thank you Mr. Robbins for the second part of your detailed description of your experience at Haynes. I was interested to read it and convinced of its credibility.
Hopefully the publication of it here will influence those in charge of seva at Haynes Park and maybe it might have a positive influence on the future behaviour of sevadars there.
If so, the irony will be that by describing so publically what you experienced, you (and Brian Hines for hosting it) will have performed a very useful service (seva) to the RSSB UK sangat. 😉
The response of ‘associates of truth’ (satsangis) trying to criticise you, silence you, and discredit you has also been revealing. Hopefully, if they are truly searching for truth and greater self-awareness they may also have learnt something about themselves and so will have been served.
I.e. you are performing great seva!! 🙂
.. .. .. .. .. .. ..
Finally, to Akshiii one of the servants of the sangat (sevadars) involved, who wrote about rules on someone’s personal property:
“Of course everyone is allowed if they want to come but it is still personal property.
Tell me something: you go to someone’s house. Will you do anything you feel like, even if they clearly tell you not to do it? And if you do, they are entitled to stop you and tell you to go away. if you go into someone’s property you have follow their rules.”
This I regard as a useful example of the kind of self-justifying self-delusion that has created the problem and which needs to be corrected.
It doesn’t look like honest introspection is being applied here.
Instead it looks like excuses and fallacious, self-justifying logic are being employed.
Osho Robbins is a member of the Beas sangat in England as he is an initiate of Charan Singh. He and his extended family are members of the sangat. Therefore Haynes Park IS his own ‘house’, ‘home’ and ‘property’, as it was bought by, is maintained by and belongs to the sangat of which he and his family are long-term members. So he is not going to “someone elses’s home” but to his own!!
Plus you Akshiii do not appear to me to be responding accurately to what he has described occurred. He wrote that he tried to leave but was prevented on two consecutive days. So not only did you ‘sevadars’ prevent a person from leaving his ‘own home’, you collectively did that by breaking the law of the land with illegal violence to administer an illegal ‘punishment’ compounded with unethical intimidation and threats. Can you see how by ignoring all that, what you have written appears to be a self-protecting, self-justifying reply that employs a dishonest approach?
If anyone wants to experience ultimate Truth, they will have to reconfigure themselves to become truthful in small things, in order to be fit to come within the orbit of ultimate Truth.
In the hymns of Guru Amar Das, he had laid great emphasis on truthful living when teaching his followers:
gather Truth, speak Truth; apply the Touch-stone of Truth.
(jin sach paiai sach vakaaneh sach kasvatee laavani-aa) p.113
The fourth state, the highest, a gurmukh obtains practicing Truth and only Truth.
(cha-uthee pa-orhee gurmukh oochee sacho sach kamaavani-aa.) p. 113
The practice of Truth is the essence of Shabd.
(sach karnee sabad hai saar) p.114
The True Lord is pleased with Truth, and only Truth.
(sachaa sacho sach pateejai) p.114

Hi Osho,
Please give us an update on the response you get from the Dera and/or Haynes Park management. If you do receive one.
Hopefully, you will be able to share this as another blog for Brian to share on this website.
A good person to write to at the Dera might be Wayne Caravella, as he is in charge of foreign relations in Hostel 6 (if I’m not mistaken), and he seems to have more access to Baba-Ji.

Q: Name the Kalyug ka Satyavadi Raja (King) Harishchandra –
Ans: Osho Robbins!!!!
Those who aren’t aware – King Harishchandra is an epitome of truth and virtue in ancient Indian history.

Clearly GSD was aware that an incident had happened by the following Sunday but most likely it was the version from the sevadars involved.
Osho,
An old timer SATSANGI reducing GIHF , who is supposedly all knowing, to an ordinary human who has to rely on some Sevadars version. Wow.
“That will be mostly because of the article posted on churchless”
I might just die laughing!!!!!

Slave,
What’s the discount factor to be applied to the Q&A above? 🤔

“Obviously they know that what they had just done (physical assault totally unprovoked) was not acceptable behaviour to GSD. They knew they were not about to get medals.”
You don’t know that.
Gurinder strokes your ego in front of crowds so you give him the benefit of the doubt, but your apologetic view of him doesn’t match with what many who are closer to him have reported. You’re easily manipulated by praise it seems. Most of us are.
Gurinder is reported to have himself made very sexual comments about women in public, to have thrown authors manuscripts on the floor in private fits of rage, and as we can reasonably accept now, he has immeasurable criminal greed. There’s absolutely no reason to believe your view that he’s divine and against violence. The information available says the opposite of that.
If he gave a damn about you or anyone else, RSSB would have been in contact with you long ago to try resolving the issue. He likely has met those “sevadars” personally to make a game plan and no part of it includes Gurinder’s compassionate resolution to end conflicts. He wants the org to keep bringing in huge amounts of cash.

@SP
You wrote
“An old timer SATSANGI reducing GIHF , who is supposedly all knowing, to an ordinary human who has to rely on some Sevadars version. Wow.”
The operative word here is supposedly.
Do YOU believe a master is “all knowing” in some literal sense?
Because if you do, go tell Gurinder because he doesn’t claim any such powers.
Those are delusional ideas and GSD is actively removing them if anyone listens to him.

@ osho
Why did you go there if you are not a follower??
I had a think about this and thought that I initially felt sorry for you- however with hindsight perhaps it was a God send that you got wacked. What are you really trying to prove by going there ??? Just answer that one question please.
By going on and on you are losing credibility- the ones who harassed you. You ain’t even an afterthought to them.
Jesse is right if they gave a shot about you they would have contacted you.
Seriously mate you had a chance to hit back to defend your self but you didnt. The fact that you did not get knocked out proves to me that they punch like girls in frocks. You had your chance …
Right must make supper said my Penny’s worth.

@sant Jesse ji
You are right. I don’t know for sure.
However the impression I get is that he would not be happy with such an episode as what happened to me.
It’s also not good for publicity.
It was not a very intelligent move to create such a fuss over a phone and especially the events of the Saturday , because clearly I was going to publicise
It

“Those are delusional ideas and GSD is actively removing them if anyone listens to him.”
By selling books that say the exact opposite. Makes a lot of sense.
Nobody can listen to him. As you learned his organization that is fueled by his mauj goes to great lengths to keep his spoken words from reaching the public.
Whatever he says to you he contradicts elsewhere. That’s not “actively removing” anything. It’s playing two hands of cards at once.
And yes, his business mind may say it’s bad publicity for the security to slightly overreact by assaulting and kidnapping attendees, but as you pointed out, none of the satsangis cared. They’re fixated on their flesh murthi and assume, no matter what happens, that you are in the wrong and the flesh murthi’s kripa was for you to get handled that way.
Their superstitions extend beyond the guru and into his org. As long as they don’t care if you’re beaten, he doesn’t need to care either.
Not that you care about my opinion, but why don’t you just stick to more loose home satsangs? I’ve been to one in the home of a Hindu that was really cool. It seems to be more human scale and intimate and in discussions there was more room for real questions as well.

@Arjuna
You asked why I go there.
Well I went a week before the national satsang and that was quite an interesting discussion with GSD.
The two things he said were that nothing is good or bad as they are perceptions of the ego. And he said everything happens in hukam.
And the notion of desirelessness was my question. I go there because I enjoy those open discussions with him.
The national satsang is a bit different as I don’t ask questions as too much hassle.
On the Friday I went with my cousin, there was no specific reason to go.
However in hindsight, it opened my eyes with regard to sevadars.
I was more shocked than anyone with the turn of events.
Friday was in my opinion unreasonable behaviour, the most significant part being that the sevadar had to create a false reason to create the ban and also force the other sevadar to lie.
That crosses a boundary.
It also questions the motivation of the sevadar who lied.
Surely he can see that if he has to lie to keep his seva, that seva is not worth the effort. Better to hand his notice in.
What kind of spiritual path requires you to lie?
What will you gain?
Why listen to your superior sevadar if they have no morals?
If your guru told you to lie, that might be different, but another sevadar?
GSD said that sevadars are not perfect.
I agree, but then why allow them to use their own discretion without any accountability?
It’s like I wrote two years ago in the post about Haynes Park sevadars egos gone wild. I said that this is not seva. It is simply following orders from your superior.
What good is seva if it does not help your spiritual progress and clearly this is not helping

GIHF is all knowing. Else your God is no good.
So old timer Satsangi you tell me are the RSSB Gurus (current and past) GIHF?
The widely accepted belief amongst followers of RSSB is well known and probably you know this as well.

SP,
Why do you want me to state the obvious.
But since you ask – 100%
Radhasoamiji

@ osho
“GSD said that sevadars are not perfect.
I agree, but then why allow them to use their own discretion without any accountability”
You had an answer to that when you got punched . An opportunity to beat the shit out of them. To teach them a lesson.
Perhaps the Real Lord wanted you to do that
.
Maharaj charan used to say that you must live bravely I’m this world and hiss if need be.
They ain’t even thinking of you . They are probably thinking let this guy come back for another good pasting. Think bro and stop going on about – it’s boring

Dear Arjuna,
Ummmmm. I believe what Maharaji said was, “I say you cannot strike, but I did not say you could not hiss.” So the opportunity to beat the shit out of them would be a definite No, No.
Ruby

“An opportunity to beat the shit out of them.” You gotta be joking. Osho was clearly outnumbered!
Thanks for sharing Osho, makes me realise how lucky to be an ex-satsangi and no longer following that cult.

@ Ruby Sister
I am trained and designed to do that (beat the shit out of ….)
You can hiss but people ignore the hiss and attack.

Can’t remember who, but either Sawan or Charan Singh allowed the Indian military to install anti aircraft weaponry on dera property, and possibly atop the satsang ghar if my memory is correct. Don’t give me this only allowed to hiss b.s. Nobody puts weapons of war in their midst to hiss. It was to kill Pakistanis.
If they allow for the state to use their land to kill, surely there is no rule against personal self defense. Osho had every right to fight. But against 6 guys it would have been a bad idea, even if he were trained in fighting.

@ jen
How are you mother? I would have taken them all apart.
Easy peasy. I’m 6.4 and 18 stone of muscle and not bragging Trust your son
X

Dear Arjuna,
Your choice and consequences. Just be careful with those “buts”. At times they can really get you.
Ruby

@SP
You say that master know everything.
Well in that case can you explain why
Treasure beyond measure was published.
In it are countless events showing masters are not all knowing.
Charan Singh did not know he was the next master.
Charan Singh in a London restaurant about to eat egg fried rice not realising g it had eggs in it.
All knowing is a myth.
If GSD knew he would have put a stop to it immediately

Hi Arjuna,
It would be great to have you around as a body guard 🙂

Hi Osho,
Re: “If GSD knew he would have put a stop to it immediately”
How do you know that? You don’t know him at all. You just had a few brief conversations with him about pseudo-spiritual BS like Oneness while he was on a dais and your were on the floor. That right there illustrates the duality and class structures in place at the dera. The power tripping you witnessed does not happen as a fluke, that shit starts at the top.
So why the worshipful, fawning attitude towards GSD?
In any case, I found out that you weren’t banned b/c of bringing in the phone. That was just their excuse to take action. GSD and his people caught wind that you are a frequent visitor of this blog and that got you put on the blacklist.
I’d tell you my source, but it’s not even worth it to get mixed up in this nonsense. Time to get woke Osho!

On the subject of “all knowing”…
We ALL are “all knowing” (maybe we haven’t realised it).
E.g. We KNOW something objectively and for something we don’t know, we also KNOW that we don’t know.
Another point: we are that ‘knowing awareness’ which is One. In One, there is no other but Oneness (appearances, duality in Oneness is the Lila). Therefore realising oneself as Oneness is all-knowing, complete in itself.

Osho,
Read carefully – I said GIHF is all knowing!!!!
Do you get the difference?
And repeating myself
So old timer Satsangi you tell me are the RSSB Gurus also referred to as Masters (current and past) GIHF?
The widely accepted belief amongst followers of RSSB is well known and probably you know this as well.

Osho: Response to your posts of September 12, 10:14 pm and 10:40pm
You sure my response was indeed “cool”. Looks more like it stung you.
You say I quoted from a book. Maybe that’s what it is for you. For me I quote a Master – my favourite from the RSSB lineage. It’s not uncommon that self proclaimed Satsangis miss such differences.
Then,
In here it’s about you Osho and your claim of being a satsangi. If and whenever anyone of those seven you encountered make a claim of being a Satsangi they will hear from me.
Yes I will question you calling yourself a Satsangi if you think being initiated, a PAST speaker and having good words for GSD makes you one and since you know nothing about what I excuse and don’t, opining is inconsequential. Most other questions thrown in are relevant only if any of the Sevadars claim they are a Satsangi. So won’t waste my time until I hear any of those Sevadars claiming he is a Satsangi.
It also doesn’t matter where I come from. You are unwelcome there.
Now doesn’t life experience tell you there usually is more to what meets the eye. In this instance you missed
– there was an eighth Sevadar too
– one who accompanies GSD on his UK tour
– the one who readied your Saturday package
– the one who kicked ass because the seven could land just one mild blow
All these years of satsangigiri and uff the amount you miss still.
You don’t know who my Master is. Just presume a somebody. A somebody who doesn’t permit commenting online and requires meditation of his chelas. Keep believing whatever you wish. Maybe it’s intellectually stimulating for you. So won’t deny you.
In the meanwhile I will keep doing what I do well – Enjoy.
Oh btw if you have ever wondered what SP stands for – it’s Sant Paltu. Yes the same fella same you love quoting on your Oneness BS.
My second attempt at putting through a response.

I just want to say one thing. All the youtube links he has given and the thing he is talking about that many satsangs are there on youtube, my friend they have been recorded by the officials. And in past many attacks have been planned on Babaji. So the authorities need to follow some rules. And my dear friend if you don’t like him then just don’t, why have you taken up a motive of criticizing about one religion or one person or his followers. Go and get a life. If you don’t like him, just don’t talk about him. Simple. I hope you have much more important work in life. Have a great life pal.

One more incident
Back in the 1980’s the satsangs each week we’re getting popular.
In the 1960’s all satsangs were tapes of Charan Singh being played and occasionally a 8mm film.
Then Charan Singh said “do live satsangs”
“What do you mean? We cannot sit on the stage like you!” Said the sangat members.
“All you are doing is explaining what the gurbani is saying.” Replied Charan.
So they started giving satsang. Some of the top well known speakers were
Sohan Singh, gurchetan Singh, Harjit Singh, Flora, Lakha,
Some of them used to give satsang in one centre and then drive to the next one to give another satsang.
Anyway, it became normal practice to record those satsangs. Some of them were great satsangs. So audios were available to order for the following Sunday.
In my mind that was seva. Something the sangat wanted.
Anyway, from audio to video, the graduation was inevitable.
Now videos were being made. Some relished it. It was great for the ego.
Your satsang on video for others to listen to at any time.
I remember Harjit Singh asking “what is this for?” To the people in charge.
“We are not saints or masters” said Harjit Singh “but just ordinary satsangis”
Anyway word got to Charan Singh. I think some visitor to dera mentioned it.
Immediately he put a stop to it all. No more videos, or audios.
It went from a reluctance to even sit on stage to giving talks and making videos.
Now how come Charan let this continue for maybe 5+ years before putting the brakes on?
The answer is that nobody told him about it. Once they did tell him he stopped it.
Clearly if he knew everything he would also know this and would have stopped it within a week.
Or even better stopped it even before it started, when someone just had the thought he could have said “don’t even think about it”
One of my friends used to say “if only Maharaj ji would just give me the lottery numbers I could just win the lottery once then I will meditate every day”
Thinking that maharaj ji knows all.
Quite often maharaj Charan Singh would hear a question incorrectly and then answer the incorrect question.
Those who believe in all knowing were confused.
But he can only answer what he heard.
Maharaj Charan Singh had treasure beyond measure published brvausevhe wanted to make his position clear. That he was an ordinary man doing his best. Not a Godman.
Kirpal was different. He even wrote a book called godman. He clearly claimed he was the correct successor but even his life shows there is no all knowingness.
I personally met Baba Kehar of Tarn Tarn. His father was pratap Singh of Tarn Tarn
I asked him “what do you know?”
He said “nothing”!
And added “no master knows anything”
He became a personal friend and I would go upstairs to his room and discuss anything I wanted and would tell me the truth
Once a sevadar came with two bottles of water
“Baba ji, this person wants his business to flourish and this one wants a child”
“Put a label on each bottle” said baba kehar “we don’t want a mixup”
I asked him “ now what are you going to do? How will you give that person a child? And make the others persons business a success?”
He laughed, “i am no magician”
“ even my own business of gurudom is not doing that well”
“All I do is pray to god”
I said , “okay, can I listen in”
“Sure” he replied
He closed is eyes and prayed
“Dear God, you do whatever you choose, please ignore my requests”
“What kind of prayer is that?” I asked
“An honest one” he replied
“Who am I to tell god what to do?”
Made sense.
“but what about the bottles of water “ I asked
“Oh…, You mean these? Just ordinary water, but they think it’s now blessed” and he laughed
“If they get a child by pure chance they will think I am a great master and will tell others”
“And if no child comes, then what?”
“Then they too will leave me. They don’t want God, they want a child” he replied.
“Are you not deceiving them” I asked.
“Absolutely I am. It’s what they seek. If I told them the truth they would all run away.
Nobody seeks God, they seek only fulfilment of their desires”

I have met many gurus. Like the episode above. But I always created a personal connection.
Same with Baba Gurinder.
My first Sant mat guru was Thakar Singh then Datshan Singh. Both knew me personally. I used to create my own poems and read them to Darshan because he too was a poet.
I met Thakar when the bad publicity hit.
He came to the UK. I had already moved it to Darshan many years earlier. But went to meet him anyway.
I asked him about the sexual scandals.
“Mind your own business is what my master used to say” was his reply.
That was the last time I ever met him.
My experience after meeting them all
Was “all knowing” is a myth
The gurbani real meaning of “all knowing” is something different.

Baba Gurinder intrigues me for one reason.
He tells the truth that nobody wants to hear.
I have been to a few of Rijindar’s satsangs. Nothing there for me.
I have nothing against anyone or for anyone. But his talks are the same old nonsense.
His sangat cannot awaken. Impossible.
Gurinder’s sangat CAN awaken if only they listen closely to what he is really saying
And oh yes, Stop punching me in the face for breaking a rule.
I like breaking rules. So does Baba Gurinder. Rule followers rarely make it.
Go to 12.30 mins into this talk I gave in 2002
That explains why I relate to Baba Gurinder. He is on the same page. And in fact he is the only Sant mat guru who relates to this idea that God is here.
https://youtu.be/7G7jTT8Nak8
One of my very early questions to him was. “My God is Here”
“My God is also here” he replied.
“No,” I answered “the books say he lives in Sach Khand. Fifth region. Far away”
“Burn the books. There are no regions”
Was his reply.
I consider him my friend. We talk the same language. Okay, we’ve had our disagreements, just like friends do.
Certainly we have debated certain points but always respectfully.
I maintained that meditation is not going to work and he says it will.
And now I understand where he is coming from.
“If you are stuck in doing, then I might as well tell you to meditate” is his view.
Because anything else is fake.
So now I agree with his technique.
He is saying “meditate but give away the fruits of meditation”
Become Nishkaam
That means let go
So nothing of any consequence happened at Haynes Park.
It was just God having a bit of fun at my expense
He always does these things. He too likes a bit of entertainment
A ban here
A punch in the face there
It is of no real consequence
Neither of them mean anything
It’s not a matter of letting go
There is not even anything to let go of

@saint Paltu sahib SP
Since you are Paltu
Please shed some light on the teachings you have our. Will be helpful
You wrote
“In here it’s about you Osho and your claim of being a satsangi. ”
Then you go on.
We are talking different things here.
I was initiated by Charan Singh. I am. Satsangi. Conversation over.
I am not talking about being a good satsangi, or a worthy one etc.
By that sane definition those 7 or 8 including the main guy are also all satsangis,
You are talking about a different topic

@SP
You wrote
“Read carefully – I said GIHF is all knowing!!!!
Do you get the difference?”
My answer: NO. Please explain.
Because you are talking in riddles and I don’t have time to unriddle your comments.
The last person I knew who spoke in riddles ended up in a lunatic asylum where they all talk in riddles and pretend to understand too.
Me? I am just a simple man. Please explain in simple English or don’t bother.

@SP
You wrote
“It also doesn’t matter where I come from. You are unwelcome there”
Sach Khand I presume?
Or Anami or Agam?
Well I don’t want to go there anyway
Because it’s been demolished. Baba Gurinder demolished it back in 2000.
Needed major refurbishment because everyone just meditated all day and did no remedial maintenance work
And since then the only place you can go is called IK Desh
But to go there you have to disappear totally
Good luck with that
God bless
I mean …. IK bless

@ Ruby
I used to be on the path – I am walking up with a huge hangover .
My parents died when I was young . I used to pray to this Baba Ji to help my mum and me. Nothing but silence came back. Only more bad things happened. Usually by satsanghis in the community as that’s all we knew.
My point is that I dont believe in him anymore and there are no consequences that is only in your cults brain washing . I am glad I escaped and joined a force that helps and protects.
I have no one in this world bar me and a photo of my mum. So be careful before you tell me there will be consequences.

@Mr Curious
You wrote
“In any case, I found out that you weren’t banned b/c of bringing in the phone. That was just their excuse to take action. GSD and his people caught wind that you are a frequent visitor of this blog and that got you put on the blacklist.”
Your source is mistaken.
GSD knows that banning me is extremely simple. I only go there as his invited guest and I only speak on the mic as his invited guest.
Once someone said “turn off his mic”
Referring to me
GSD: “then turn off my mic too”
All GSD has to do is say “please don’t come back to satsang again” and I won’t. Or “please don’t come to the mic again”
Second reason: I make no secret of who I am. My real identity.
(Not the ONENESS type of real, just the name I use on planet earth)
I have videos online showing my face
I have nothing to hide.
GSD and dera management have known for a long time that I comment of churchless. It’s no crime.

@ jen
Would love to be your bodyguard. That was a nice thing to say. Have a fear day

@ jen
Typo. I Meant have a fearless day.

@arjuna
You’re going to be a bodyguard
So you were right the first time.
“Have a FEAR day”

If I’m reading SP correctly, he seems to be saying he was an 8th sevadar present at Haynes Park who accompanies GSD on his UK tour in a supervisory role and masterminded the rough treatment of Osho.
I’m skeptical, but okay, SP, let’s say it’s true. From what I’ve seen, Osho supports GSD and takes criticism here for it all the time. So why was he handled as a threat?

Thanks for your reply, Osho. On a separate note, I didn’t know your first Sant Mat master was Thakar Singh. That was mine as well. What was your impression of him? Did you shift to Darshan because of the sex scandals or was there a different reason?
I wasn’t initiated by Thakar until much after the scandals broke, 1996. I stopped practicing around 2008, a few years after he died and handed the baton to Baljit Singh. Baljit Singh had introduced a female co-master named Maa who he claimed had even higher powers than him. Ultimately, she and Baljit had a falling out, split up, and she started cultivating her own initiates, and also successfully took many of his followers. If they were Oneness as they claimed, why the schism?
This stuff is SO fake, glad I’m done with it.

@ osho. I have a new title for your punch up.
Battle of the Paneer + no gelatin lol.

@Arjuna
Or War of the Paneer Pizza Warriors
Who:
see no E numbers
Hear no E numbers
Speak no E numbers
🤣

Osho,
“I was initiated by Charan Singh. I am. Satsangi.”
I was initiated by my Master. I am Sant Paltu
Maybe you should switch loyalties once again.
______________________________________________
You say ” I was initiated by Charan Singh. I am. Satsangi.”
A speaker in a discourse once said “WE DON’T WANT THE MESSAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR OWN IDEA, OUR OWN CONCEPT.”
Would you know who this fellow is??
Will save you the trouble. It was YOU!!!!! Pretty cool ya….
It’s obvious to all You don’t want the message – that from Maharaj Jagat Singhji about who is a satsangi and your concept i- well shit has more value.
Btw the 8th guy you didn’t know he existed – initiated by GSD
Have to now attend to my daily spiritual requirement. . You know just like you people are required to do some meditation, we the niwasis of the super supreme desh – Kaand desh, have to commit a kaand everyday.
PS: Kaand in English is scandal.

@ shakuni
Looool. My thoughts exactly. They read the ingredients on the packets of biscuits to see if they have any meat remnants but yet are wanna be gangsters after they have has their vegetables and Dhal – to punch osho.

“If I’m reading SP correctly, he seems to be saying he was an 8th sevadar present at Haynes Park who accompanies GSD on his UK tour in a supervisory role and masterminded the rough treatment of Osho.
I’m skeptical, but okay, SP, let’s say it’s true. From what I’ve seen, Osho supports GSD and takes criticism here for it all the time. So why was he handled as a threat?”
Hey Anami,
Was he handled as a threat? Na.
If RSSB starts perceiving likes of Osho threat material, it will have to abandon all satsang programs.
I am surprised nobody has got it still.
RSSB chooses it’s victims carefully. Usually the gutless types to make an example of. Osho is right. People within RSSB know he is active in here. So what better way to broadcast a message containing the consequences of snuggling a phone into the satsang tent and recording. Osho and Brian have done exactly what RSSB hoped for. Osho sending in the detailed notes. Brian putting up sensational threads on his site. The agents of RSSB in here ensuring the threads become most popular. The exers using this to exponentially spread the message under a mistaken belief that they have new fodder to malign RSSB. Poor chaps still don’t get it RSSB doesn’t throw stones at every barking dogs.
Its not in riddles I hope.

What’s so secret. There is nothing new under the sun at Haynes . You have better ways of finding peace elsewhere.
Question – could osho be a double agent?? He gets wacked and still goes on about this Oneness shite!
Just popped into my head as we are trained to look at everything. Every threat!!!

@Mr Curious
Do we are gurbhais.
Used to be a big deal but now I guess one can punch you in the face.
My impression of Thakar was he seemed like a person I could relate to. Down to earth.
His English was terrible.
He always said “uh um” about ten times in a sentence
I was really devoted back in the day. Used to meditate 2-3 hours a day. I spent quite a bit of time with him. Accompanied him on the India tours also once.
I didn’t care about the scandals.
I went to see him in 1984 in India.
Sawan ashram. First trip to India in my life.
The q&a was rather weird. One disciple said he heard bagpipes in meditation. Thakar said “your soul is going to Sach khand”
I said “it can’t be, he had not even left the body and not even seen the radiant form. “
“That doesn’t matter” said Thakar, “ part of his soul goes to Sach khand”
I decided it was all nonsense.
Then I told him I have many questions and he said “you can sit next to me when we go on the tour tomorrow”
I said “ok”
But then he sat in another car and I was on the coach.
Then I asked him “what about my questions”
He said “you’ve asked enough”
Anyway I had a question about my spiritual progress as I could not progress beyond a certain point.
He said “just carry on” but I wanted specific advice on what to do.
I decided he couldn’t help me and just by chance I met Darshan as one of sawan’s old satsangis lived in sawan ashram and he said “Darshan is the real successor and told me about kirpal ashram. I went there and it was an instant love affair.
He answered all my questions and then more. I knew I had found my master. I would write poetry and recite at the all night bhandaras.
I cared about nothing else.

SP–
You’re still riddling a little, but now I think you’re actually bitter over RSSB and mysticism and are a Supreme Master of Sarcasm about it. “Kaand (scandal) Desh,” for example.

Arjuna, the typo “a fear day” made me smile. At the moment I am quite fearful. Australia is burning. We desperately need rain, everything is so dry. I’m okay where I live near the sea but the air is still smoky and I’m stuck inside mostly. It is scary. Talk about climate change! Cheers, bro you cheer me up 🙂
Osho, I am surprised at the actions of the sevadars and glad you are standing up for yourself and revealing their inappropriate behaviour here. Sant Mat is not what it used to be.

@Osho Robbins
“Clearly GSD was aware that an incident had happened by the following Sunday but most likely it was the version from the sevadars involved.”
This clearly shows that GSD is not the ‘All Knowing’ by your own words
Otherwise he wouldve telepathically Mr Spock style stopped them sevadars from hitting you
I just cant understand why you went back on day 2. Or why you even went there at all considering your efforts in making those awareness videos on YouTube.
Was you trying to reboot sant mat version 1.0? Or do you regret making them videos?
Either way. Yes its wrong for them to hit you. But knowing that you were know in a dangerous wicker man style situation you shouldve tried to defend yourself. You shouldve smacked him one back in the face.
Even the most peaceful ones in the past have said that its a sin not to defend yourself from your oppressors
I can also understand that they may have overwhelmed you by surprise or if you were scared. Completely understand. but I wouldve at least screamed for help.
This behaviour doesn’t surprise me.
In the past Ive heard urban legends that there are an elite group of sevadars in Beas Dera that have like a black ops Guantanamo bay style secret jail room where they interrogate and even beat ‘misbehaving’ pilgrims at dera.
It was only a matter of time that things like this happened here.

The answers are simple:
Osho is an attention-seeker and trouble-maker
He purposefully set out to break the rules.
He is trying to generate awareness for himself and SM2.0
The volunteer thought I can’t be bothered putting up with this uppity little shit and so gave him one. I suspect he would slap Arjuna senseless also and that such attitude-adjusters would be of great spiritual benefit to both recipients.

Georgy Porgy.
Yes I would have cried for help and screamed- help. I would have ran away scared perhaps to you whilst you were eating scones and drinking tea- whilst holding and rubbing your penis perving the old whip ass aunties.
Osho was dealing with bullies – simple

Arjuna,
Do you still believe your expectations from GSD back then were realistic?

@ SP hello
I’m not what to expect anymore

Those aunties are hot. Is it such a bad thing to have a chat to them if they are single?
And anyone who doesn’t like scones is an outright Barbarian – why suck out all the joys of life.
It sounds like you could do with a holy smack from that old dude sevadar, that way you will stop worrying about being all alone and how life/rssb has treated you so badly.
Forget your combat training, enjoy the company of tea, scones and aunties – there are no rules against that as far as I am aware. So says Baba Georgy.

Hi Anami
You wrote
“a Supreme Master of Sarcasm” yes, this a very good description. He even was making fun of me when he visited my son in a vision. Baba Ji has a wicked sense of humor. He could have done the financial thing as his own form of dark humor. He’s playing a game of high risk and he’s just too good at it. But I suggest finance isn’t his skill. On the other hand, maybe it is. But one can’t complain too much when he is taking care of your son, your job, your ex-wife, yout widowed sister, filing your own lapses, keeping the road smooth, in obvious and miraculous ways that keep happening.
So while basic ethics compel me to ask why, and so long as those ethics remain, to continue to do so, I also offer to help. If only to return a grain of what he did for my family when I have been unable. And is still doing.
Yes, he is sarcastic and unapologetic. You might say arrogant. But could a part of our reaction to that be a tiny reflection of our own shortcomings?
How can we claim to see anything with complete objectivity?
We wear our own heart on our sleeve most transparently when we accuse.
The treatment Osho underwent was just wrong. It was bad.
Osho is right to document it here in as much detail as he sees fit. He is imperfect, but he is bringing a problem to light for inspection. That’s what Truth does, even when the messengers of truth have their own personal limitations.
But what does it mean? Some people are arrogant. Welcome to the club.
To infer more you would have to look to that person’s family or the culture or the nation or.. Fill in the dots.
Osho did the right thing filing a police report and sending a Letter to Haynes leadership. Maybe a third letter to Baba Ji. And the reports here.
But once that’s done what can you say? People make mistakes.
And being caught on the wrong side of the security guys naturally makes one take a look in the mirror and ask “could I have avoided that?”
The idea that you or I somehow are so much better that we can accuse anyone is dangerous terroritory. Unless the effort is to help improve security at Haynes. Then this report and the police complaints are helpful acts.
Osho has avoided going overboard, without emotion, to a degree, but it seems as though he is still working his way there emotionally.
If any one of us had been through what he went through, it would take some time. It would be emotional. What he experienced would be extremely frightening to me. Maybe that’s why I honor the cell phone rule. I would blame myself for triggering the over-reaction from security. There are a lot of people entering these events, and far fewer security. They are not professionals.They are under pressure to deal with situations they have limited training for, hence drawing their attention to oneself, and repeatedly, while they are already busy and stressed, is a risk for things going wrong all around.
Most people don’t want to get security or police involved all over the world, even professionals, and so follow the laws and rules because they know security and police are just people and have to make decisions, they operate under extreme stress, and have been given power to act and responsibilities that include life and death decisions. . And their mistakes can have more painful and lasting repurcussions on one’s own life.

The whole story sounds made up by someone who appears to be desperate for attention.

@Georgy Porgy
Your attitude is ridiculous.
Thankfully you are in the minority and most satsangis don’t share your opinions.
You must surely be aware that you are not allowed to post comments on here, but you are purposely doing just that so what do you suggest?
A punch in the face?
Shall we alert the lads to come around to your place?
You are the only person on here who thinks that the sevadars were correct in the way they handled the situation.
I think you’re ready for a promotion to head of all sevadars with your enlightened attitude

“ I would blame myself for triggering the over-reaction from security. “ – Spence
You would blame yourself?
I don’t blame myself in the slightest.
I don’t blame them either.
I took s phone in, so what? It’s no big deal. It’s not a crime and nobody was harmed.
If RSSB as an organisation is happy with the way they handled it – then it’s fine.
But I would be surprised if they are happy.
However, all I have dibs is brought it to the awareness of whoever is interested

@michael
Your statement is unfounded.
I have witnesses and a police report so it cannot be made up.
RSSB can verify the truth of it easily.

Hey, Spence.
I meant that SP might be the Supreme Master of Sarcasm, because his comments are so edgy, but is he kidding or serious? I still can’t tell and hoped he would clarify.
We’re pretty much on the same page about Osho, and I take your word for it on Baba Ji and inner experiences. For me the dhyan goes to Huzur Maharaj Ji.
Best,

Hi Osho
You wrote
“I took s phone in, so what? It’s no big deal. It’s not a crime and nobody was harmed.”
It’s their club rules. You broke them, you have only yourself to blame for opening that door. But they are responsible for breaking the rules of legal conduct.
Of course they can make excuses also, just like you.
Every action has causes. And responsibilities. And this series of events was triggered by your decision, Osho.
It will take time, once your defensiveness settles down, for you to see that you were just a player in this play, and that the trigger was your decision, whatever prompted it, to decide that you didn’t need to follow the rules, that there was no decent reason you could understand, and therefore you could go right ahead and knowingly violate this rule.
But maybe you don’t understand why the cell phone rule is in place.
Or why its important.
Your choice, your decision. And your responsibility.
We’ve gone over this before, Osho. Your ethics and mine are different. But if you won’t take responsibility for your part, how can you expect the sevadars to take responsibility for theirs? We all have to do our part.
But you are free to open any door, to go it alone. When you refuse someone’s request, naturally you are not working with them anymore.

Hi Arjuna,
“I’m not what to expect anymore”
This is a good thing right. Not from HIM, any Master or person. But bitterness? Have you let it pass?
You don’t have to respond if you so wish.

Osho
1. There is no rule prohibiting me from posting here. I’m not an rssb initiate, nor do I claim to be advanced in any spiritual sense. Even if I was, there is no rule injucting rssb people from using the internet. What is discouraged is sharing personal spiritual experiences online – which makes sense to me and which I’m not doing.
2. ALL the info posted so far, and I mean EVERY bit, has ONLY been given by YOU and you alone. There are 2 sides to every dispute. Whether a ‘punch’ occurred, let alone what form it took (if any), and what was said and done in context leading up to this incident (if any), is wholly unclear.
3. My personal view is that you are a very untrustworthy source, possibly with psychological issues. Also, your account of events seems to continuously change.
4. You have history of crying wolf, ie previous runs-ins with sevadars, and ‘reporting’ this via this site. How come 99.999% of ppl enjoy a nice peaceful day at Haynes, yet you are the only person who get into trouble (fistfights with spiritual volunteers no less). Either this is not happening or you are extremely unlucky, akin to winning the lottery several times over.
5. You keep saying this a minor incident, yet go on and on and on and on.
6. What kind of a special idiot is not only banned from a spiritual event on the Friday, but then returns the very next day – you are a glutton for punishment.
7. Maybe I am in the minority, maybe not. Doesn’t matter. Many are sick of your rubbish and whining. A few v nice ppl seem to feel sorry for you – I don’t. Maybe I’m not that nice, but I think you are a trouble-maker who intentionally sought to provoke for your own selfish ends whose overinflated ego has been bruised in the process, which is no bad thing in my view. In short, it is you not the sevadar who needs to reflect on his behavior.
8. Most importantly, why are you purposefully disobeying perhaps the only rule that they have expressed clear as daylight?

Hi, Spence.
I was talking about SP, not Baba Ji. Is SP a Supreme Master of Sarcasm? In many of his comments I can’t tell if he’s being serious or bitingly sarcastic.

The outcome of all this would be:
The one trick pony stops blathering nonsense.
The Baba forgives the Sevadars.

Anami Anami Anami
You didn’t have to post and burst the bubble.
As a slave of maths I combined yours and Spence posts and got
SP= Master of Sarcasm = GSD
So SP = GSD
Now I have to get back to being Sant Paltu and poof all those millions of US$ vanished.
😭

SP,
The transitive property! I should’ve known!

I’m no expert but aren’t all the great masters throughout history notoriously bad-tempered? Didn’t the great zen masters crack a rod over their disciplines pip when needed?
I tend to see this pop on the hooter as a blessed spiritual gift from on high. Maybe this old sevadar is highly advanced spiritually and has given Osho exactly what is needed to snap him back to reality. You should be thanking him for such an enlightened thumping instead of whining.

“Question – could osho be a double agent?? He gets wacked and still goes on about this Oneness shite!”
Hi Arjuna,
Again covert ways of RSSB. Probably Osho has been told if he stops his Oneness rantings, specially post the incident, it won’t be just a mild punch. Could be the Guantanamo bay style secret jail room in Dera. Worse sharing the jail room with Masterji Jesse.

Hi Anami
Thanks for the correction. Yes, I was in a reverie about Baba Ji. The Swindler Saint.
Can’t say about SP. He says he doesn’t meditate but believes in the path? But each of us has our own interpretation so that is as good as anyone else.

Hi Osho
You wrote
“I took s phone in, so what? It’s no big deal. It’s not a crime and nobody was harmed.
If RSSB as an organisation is happy with the way they handled it – then it’s fine.
But I would be surprised if they are happy.”
I believe it was wrong to bring in the cell phone. It was disrespectful. It was wrong of you to return the next day having been asked not to (without at least some effort at discussion and reconsideration with representatives of the organization).
And it was wrong of them to lie to you about your phone, and to a accost you and punch you.. The last two are illegal.
Yes these things, in their degree, were wrong. Your small wrong on your part cascaded to a bigger wrong on their part.
It’s wrong and shouldn’t be repeated.

@ SP
Yes I have let it pass.

Whatev. The body is the temple. We can be our own sevadars.

An Autumn lark at Haynes Park Created a bang during satsang
O phone spotted
By a volunteer
Off they trotted
To raucous cheer
The volunteer to seva his career
Kicked in the nuts He lied
But but buts O cried
My phone My iPhone
Binned
Then I phoney
Banned
Next day A wild foray
A biff on the boff
Hardar
From the laddish
Se’vardar
A police report
No retort
Lesson taught
New glasses bought
Arjan ought
No one aught
We all thought
They’ll get caught
How fraught
After the rave
The baba forgave
To save
Their souls even
On their way to He’ven

His case O brought
To Police, Haynes and churchless
If Baba aught
He acted quite merciless
But what was taught?
What gain from violence and subversiveness?
When local rules and laws are all for naught
The actions truly “right” are those forthright and harmless.

@Georgy Porgy wrote
“There is no rule prohibiting me from posting here. I’m not an rssb initiate, nor do I claim to be advanced in any spiritual sense. Even if I was, there is no rule injucting rssb people from using the internet. What is discouraged is sharing personal spiritual experiences online – which makes sense to me and which I’m not doing.”
RSSB initiates are told not to visit online sties related to RSSB or comment there. So your statement that “there is no rule injuncting RSSB people……..” is incorrect. But then how would you know since you are not an initiate.
And why would you bother with agreeing with the rule about sharing spiritual experiences if you are not an initiate.
Quite simply you are a bullshitter, because if you are NOT an initiate then you can share spiritual experiences all you like, why bother what RSSB or Christians or Muslims or anyone says about it? Unless of course you are a RSSB follower. Anyway you have no spiritual experiences anyway, so it’s a mute point.
Your point no2:
It’s both silly and inaccurate.
What do you expect?
“Hello everyone, I am sevadar no 2, and do you know who I am? I deny all allegations. I am a good satsangi. I didn’t punch him, but I did get angry and I am more dangerous than the sevadar no 1 so be careful don’t cross me….”
You seem to think this is a trial. It’s not. It’s my account of what happened.
You are nobody of any significance here so I don’t care if you believe it or not.
Your comments clearly show you are out of touch with reality so your comments reflect this.
One example: someone DID comment on this: they saw the phone being taken but said I lied about being punched. They said they were there. You said nobody else confirms anything, so clearly you are wrong.
Of course the reason they saw no punch was it happened the following day, not Friday which they are referring to. Plus it happened in a private location not in the middle of the public walkway.
You even make ridiculous statements like “your account of events seem to continually change” without giving any examples.
My account has never changed. You may have mis-read something and interpreted it differently, but that’s a reflection on you.
You wrote “I am no expert but ……..”
Well if you are no expert, your opinion is not worth much, so everything you write can be ignored as it is based on ignorance and unfounded opinions.

Georgy Porgy writes:
“My personal view is that you are a very untrustworthy source, possibly with psychological issues.”
Well guess what?
My personal view is that you are an incarnation of Buddha, no less. I can have any unfounded opinion I choose. Doesn’t make it true. Anyone can have any opinion.
You are entitled to your own opinions (which mean nothing as they are based on your own necessarily distorted viewpoint) but you are not entitled to your own facts.

Georgy Porgy writes:
“ Maybe I am in the minority, maybe not.”
The “maybe not” is just in your head. You are clearly in a minority of about 1 or 2. So nobody is interested in your distorted viewpoint.
When you have some actual personal experience of this, like your own personal run-in then talk. Until then it’s all your unfounded opinions which are irrelevant.
I have a lot more credibility than you.
My real identity is known, I have videos showing my face. Whereas you are a made up name, even that, you couldnt think of anything more intelligent than
Georgy Porgy

Many here can not differentiate between
1. Breaking a rule
And
2. Breaking a law
And also consequences
Example
I go to a library and a sign says “quiet please”
But I start talking quietly to someone.
That is called breaking a rule.
It will have minor consequences
Yes a rule has been broken, but no crime committed. It’s not that serious.
Examples of the consequence:
Being told “please be quiet”
Or being asked to leave if still not quiet.
Worse case: police called to get you to leave. That’s the worse that can happen.
Now if instead, the head librarian calls the bouncers and they grab me and push me towards the exit.
That is now assault and illegal.
Furthermore if they punch me and break my glasses, that is now serious assault and criminal damage.
If they shoot me, that would be premeditated murder.
Now some of the retarded commenters on here (Georgy Porgy and SP with delusions of being Sant Paltu) make the absurd comment
“Ah but you first broke the rule of silence.”
In the subsequent murder trial, is the judge going to say “yes, I can see it now. Makes perfect sense. The guy has done this on three previous occasions and the rule was very clear. There was even a small sign “repeat offenders will be shot”
So yes, he got what he deserved for breaking the silence rule, you are free to go, sir. Keep up the good work”
That’s the view of those who say Osho Robbins got what he deserved.
No wonder they are in a minority, they are clearly both out of touch with reality
If this really happened, nobody would support the murderer or the assaulter excerpt for
SP
GP. (Porgy)
M. E. (Mike England)

In short
Breaking a rule is a minor issue.
And can only be dealt with in a minor way.
Breaking the law is a serious offence
Here’s an example in an actual court of law. If you watch at 4:50
The security man is trying to remove the man from the court, but the man says
“If you touch me, I will sue you for assault”
He asks the clerk “can he do that?”
And the answer is, “yes he can”
Legally they have to call the police not man-handle the person
https://youtu.be/YVWKpNkav0U

@ osho. Fair play you killed Gorgy Porgy with your response (wonder if he is over weight with a name like that). Lol.

Osho Robbins
You dear sweet
Sweet little thing
I am so out of touch with reality
As you correctly conclude
But my sweet the totality
Is you are being rude
Your anodyne analogy
Should be an apology
Your ego did not notice this
I am taking the piss
Out of you my one trick pony
With a touch of slick i’rony

Hi Osho,…..you wrote to Gorgy Porgy, Puddin Pie, Kissed the Girls, and made them cry,……..”I ………. have a lot more credibility than you.
My real identity is known, I have videos showing my face. “
ME,. i.e. Faceless Jim Sutherland, that could hide in public like a blade of grass in the Park, or a grain of sand on the beach.
But YOU, showing up at at Satsang at Haynes would be like The Amazing Randy trying to sneak in to a Tony Robbins Fire Walking event planning to debunk Tony with out being recognized, thinking that He, and Tony , and Tony’s Security Guards are ONE, and they are All for ONE and ONE for ALL.
You remind me of what we as Kids in School used to do to Trouble Makers like you. We used to stick a sheet of white paper on the back of Trouble Makers shirt, marked in big letters,….KICK ME HARD PLEASE. Then, all the boys would accept the Trouble Maker’s invitation, and give him a big kick in his butt when he walked by.
The more confused and complaining the Trouble Maker did, as he kept getting kicked in the butt, was the more every one laughed, joked, and made fun of him, until he found ONE Friend that felt sorry enough for him to tell him he was Tagged, and removed the KICK ME Sign off his back, and handed it to him. Once he discovered he was Marked, as a Trouble Maker, he wised up, and quit making trouble, and decided he no longer wanted to be kicked, so just blended in.
Even in a crowd of 20,000 Satsangis attending a Satsang, if a Drone was flying over head, taking Video of possible problems, YOU would be quickly seen , identified by the Sign attached to the top of your head, marked ONE.
So, Osho,…WHO will be the first Friend that removes the Tag off your back that asks every body to “ KICK ME PLEASE “,..?
Are those who are laughing at you in this Church really feeling sorry for you,…or,…are acting like they are really feeling sorry for you, are laughing their asses off while hiding behind their anonymous Gorgy Porgy Pseudo Avatars?
Let me be the first friend to expose the Sign pinned on your back, that says,…KICK ME HARD, PLEASE,. Here, I have removed it from your back, and handed it to you. Now, you may choose to keep it off and blend in, or put it back and stay marked as the ONE Trouble Maker.
Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

“In many of his comments I can’t tell if he’s being serious or bitingly sarcastic.”
Hi Anami,
Think of me as that mythical Lernaean Hydra – not multi headed but multi faced.
I can be different to different people. A trait picked up from my Master.
My posts, they can be serious, sarcastic or a mix. But never casual or flippant.
I clarify because of your honesty in admitting you struggle what to make of my posts unlike one particular idiot in here who thinks he not only understands the content but believes he understands me enough to form a judgement about my cerebral prowess, on who I am and what I stand for or don’t . It doesn’t matter. Infact it’s good for he provides free entertainment. Just like the spider enjoys the struggling insect trapped in the web woven for it.
Hi Spence,
You say “But each of us has our own interpretation so that is as good as anyone else.”
I like your accepting attitude. It’s good. I don’t meditate. Will come by and tell you why one day.
Now $pence thinks I don’t follow the rule. He is right and guess what my Master punches me regularly for this. Each time I throw the law books at HIM saying this is illegal and He says I AM THE LAW. And the cycle goes on. When will I get the message? 🤔😂
Luckily he doesn’t tell me – burn the books. Would have cost me a fortune having to repeatedly buy the books. Maybe also because it’s serious stuff happening unlike some mumbo jumbo like “My God is here but books say Satpurush is in some fifth region”

Osho you wrote:
>>In short
Breaking a rule is a minor issue.
And can only be dealt with in a minor way.
Breaking the law is a serious offence<< If an artists hands over one of his creations to a an official of an museum, the very moment he is no longer allowed to touch it. Because in a museum, touching of objects is seen as a crime. If he would do it, even he would be expelled from the museum. WHY? Every games is played by given rules and all have to live by these rules if ine enters the enclosure where that particular game is played. As soon as you leave your own house and enter the public domain … mind the word public … you are involved in this or that game, traffic, walking, driving, school, court et etc. and you are supposed to act upon these rules as it should and otherwise you have to bear the negative consequences. And … as soon as somebody enters your house, you are bound to play other public domain games. All social roles come with rules … uncle, father, son, friend, student etc. What your opinion is about these games and the roles and rules that go with it, doesn't matter, to anybody. Be an anarchist is also a role

When local rules and laws
For all the boorish bores
Cackelling the caws
Of furthering their cause
Are all for naught
What have they bought
Into?
Are actions truly right
With all the GSD might
Gave our O a fright
Surrounding him tight
No option for flight
Are those forthright and harmless
Or violently charmless

@ Jim.
Trust you are well.
I’d love to meet this :Georgy porgy I am fat and like eating scones whilst perving at aunties in 69 postions”
The solider in me wants to kick his ass to kingdom come. He has shown me disrespect.
Rant over. Good to read you here.
Over and out

Osho
Yes yes let it all out – I’m “a bullshitter”, it’s about time you showed your true colours, instead of this ridiculously transparent attempt at prentending you are above it all.
I have not disobeyed any RSSB rules, you have.
You are making false claims and I suspect this is why the sevadar dripkicked your mouthy ass. Good on him. You were told to stay away after breaking the rules and you didn’t. You then came looking for trouble and you found it. You were the recipient of a holy ass-whipping, be gracious i say.
As for me being wrong on your lack of evidence – I’m not. Everything is your own account – there is no one to backup your story. It sounds like the desperate ramblings of a self-important pip-squeak and gobshite. I mean what is this nonsense about you dreaming that the guru wanted you to attend the next day.
You are deluded and a trouble-maker, they told you to leave and stay away and you didn’t. You went looking for trouble to show who you are and you found it.
Tens of thousands of ppl enjoyed tea and scones in a gentile beautiful peaceful happy environment – and YOU are the only yob who ends up getting banned on the Friday and into a fistfight on the Saturday. How come every one else can behave, but you can’t?

“Because in a museum, touching of objects is seen as a crime. If he would do it, even he would be expelled from the museum.”
You don’t know what you’re talking about. I used to work in museum security. Touching art is not a crime. Intentionally destroying property is. And so is attacking people.
It’s not like we could just grab people and kick them in the face if they touched a painting. Maybe if they were attacking patrons of the museum themselves or irreversibly harming a piece of art, sure, we could restrain them and call them police. But not just for touching a painting. There were copyright considerations there as well, and recording wasn’t allowed. But again, people recorded things with phones all the time. Zero cases of us kidnapping them, placing them in a dark car, threatening their family and physically assaulting them
And you’re missing the point. Law supersedes rules. You can’t break laws, and commit possible felonies, just because someone broke a petty rule. Osho broke a petty rule. He could have had people put in jail for punching him.
Start thinking at least slightly before you opine. Your comment has been made by 100 others already. It was thoughtless and wrong when they said it, and it is when you repeat it.

@ Georgy Porgy
Jesse has just proven you mr opinions are unfounded – And he should know because he worked there so has first hand knowledge.
“You don’t know what you’re talking about. I used to work in museum security. Touching art is not a crime. Intentionally destroying property is. And so is attacking people.” -Jesse to Georgy

“You were told to stay away after breaking the rules and you didn’t. You then came looking for trouble and you found it.”. – G. Porgy
You obviously cannot read. Clearly you have not read the day 1 account.
I wasn’t banned for the phone incident. Instead a lie was fabricated and that fabricated lie was the reason.
Another sevadar was forced to lie to fabricate evidence to support his lie.
The ban was also fabricated, as nobody else stopped me.
As I was walking to satsang, sevadar #2 physically grabbed me and pulled me aside. Then another one held my other arm so I could not leave.
That is assault and illegal.
I on the other hand was simply walking to satsang.
They tried to enforce a fake ban and they know they were acting wrongly.
If they were correct, then why let me go when questioned by my brother in law?
If they were correct, they would refuse to back down.
If I wanted trouble it would have been very very easy. I won’t disclose the details here, but it would have been easy. However that was not my intention. My intention was to go peacefully to satsang. The sevadars instigated this trouble and broke the law over nothing more than a challenge to their fake ban. You tell one lie and you have to tell ten to cover it up.
But now the cat is out of the bag and everyone knows it.
Naturally just based on statistics there will be 1% of idiots who support premeditated and unprovoked violence.
And by the way, I have no belief that it is “wrong” to engage in debate and criticise someone who makes ridiculous statements. However all you have stated is unfounded beliefs with no logic or evidence, clearly a result of spending too much time perving at aunties while scoffing 100 scones a minute.

“He could have had people put in jail for punching him.”
Jesse,
So why the hell hasn’t he done this already? Would you know?
He has been assaulted as claimed. What the fuck has he done about it except whine like a sissy in here? Over a month now but no signs of or sharing info of
– any active perusal of the supposed police report filed.
– lodging a complaint with Dera authorities. Somebody even named a go-to individual
– taking any legal recourse
And you say he could have people in jail.
The Sevadars should have been arrested (rightly or wrongly is not for me to judge) or called in by now. This bit that he could have people in jail but heck I won’t get them jailed because after all they are co-satsangis and in the oneness I rant about there is nothing right or wrong is pure BS. And so is the stated intention of wanting to simply report exactly what happened. This fella is no Jesus Christ of the 21st Century. And why the choice being CoC is pretty obvious as well.
It should only be about this fella. Why bother if Sevadars are right or wrong. If he thinks he has been wronged by the Sevadars AS PER EXTANT LAWS, bloody well use the very SAME LAW to get justice. Don’t simply keep whining in here.
No pity for whiners. If he wants attention, I don’t mind pissing some on him during a likely visit to the UK next month.
All he does is look for crutches…. The latest being you just because he smells some support in your last post (so a reply to Um right becomes Jesse to Georgy) forgetting that it’s the same Jesse that he was attacking just a few days back for his posts on this very same issue.
In Hindi/Punjabi there is a saying – Bin Pehandi ka Lota. Pretty appropriate in this instance too.
I shouldn’t be saying this but honestly I would be embarrassed to have him as family or for that matter even a friend.
As an aside, how long before we get a new thread about death threats to Osho by RSSB. Any guesses?

“So why the hell hasn’t he done this already? Would you know?”
No I wouldn’t know, except for that he said he doesn’t want to. I also don’t know what it’s called in UK, but we say “press charges” in USA. People get beaten nearly to death, often times by spouses in domestic abuse cases, and the abused choose not to “press charges” and nothing happens to the abuser.
“And you say he could have people in jail. ”
I think it’s possible, yeah. Not just for the punching, but the part about putting him in a car an preventing him from getting out could be a kidnapping case. Unless it’s ok to kidnap people in the new UK.
You’re painfully sad and upset in a feminine way that he’s not contacting police and making a report. Fine.
I think he should press charges both out of both my spite toward RSSB, and also as an opportunity to uphold the law in a decaying and increasingly lawless country that is being colonized, but he doesn’t want to. It’s his choice. Laws lose. Cult wins.
His not calling the police still doesn’t make face punching seva legal, though.
“forgetting that it’s the same Jesse that he was attacking just a few days back for his posts on this very same issue”
Just cause you say something bad to someone once doesn’t mean that you need to only say bad things to them forever, or that one disagreement means infinity disagreements.
Sure, maybe he’s stirring up drama and attention seeking. Maybe this all never happened. We weren’t there. But assuming it did happen, there’s nothing forcing him to work with the authorities.
RSSB is a cult. Get out.

@ jesse. Spot on !
Not sure if Osho could . But those pushing him and then punching him (were not GSD as some have imagined) but thugs.
And they needed a good kicking in. Knock outs.
They are a bunch if pussies picking on 1 man. Cowards, bet you in the street if they came across someone like me – they would run. Fking vegetarian Faggots !
If GSD can be hardline (For a loving God) so can we!

SP
Good idea
We’ll see if the one trick pony has more toys to go throw out his pram.
I’m bored shitless with his inane blathering, then trying to correct every single point posited.
And has the temerity to say “I don’t care what you think/ believe”
I’ll tune in again in a week and check if Osho is a no show.

“So why the hell hasn’t he done this already? Would you know?”. -SP ( a delusional retard who claims to be Sant Paltu reincarnated no less)
SP, if you could actually read, you would have your answer, as I have already given the answer to that question.
But clearly you have nothing better to do than speculate about things that don’t concern you

“Just cause you say something bad to someone once doesn’t mean that you need to only say bad things to them forever, or that one disagreement means infinity disagreements.”. – Jesse
Exactly. Well said Jesse.
Doesn’t mean Jesse agrees with everything I do or say and neither do I agree with everything he does or says.
However, unlike you, we both address the issue we are debating, not the person.
Whereas you make it personal and then there is nothing to debate. I can make it personal too – but it becomes pointless.
The idea of this blog is to put forward an opinion and give the reasons

“we both address the issue we are debating, not the person. ”
If we’re being blunt and honest here, I actually just insult people a lot. I do engage in the topic to a point, but once I’m bored, think that an insult is more meaningful than an argument, or I just don’t care enough to be respectful, I’m quite happy to call people names.
In this case of high level strikers (sacred Joe Rogan terminology) working as sevadars, I’ve yet to see a good point made in favor of RSSB. It’s really not even arguable that RSSB could be in the right in my opinion. Their security obviously has little to no training, and they’re operating in more of a mafia-like way than a volunteer church security way. So because of this fact, and the fact that I’ve called Osho enough names, it would be the RS defenders who deserve the insults at this point.
Surprisingly, the one argument I could see being made in favor of harsh security at RSSB venues would be the Sikh terrorist angle, which sadly is still a dormant threat in England because, you know, idiocy and all that. But nobody is making that point, because they’re not even thinking. And if that were the case, there would be highly trained security, and a known eccentric who asks pertinent questions and has good rapport with the guru wouldn’t be a suspect in their eyes just cause he has an Iphone X that he paid $1400 and does nothing with it but take crappy pictures and send texts.
You’re dealing with a clown show of an org at RSSB. Even if Gurinder turns out to be god, Beas culture still SUCKS.

“I’m bored shitless With Blah blah blah….,..”. – Mike England
Well go and do something useful with your life instead of basing your life on what others write on here.
You need to go to the life shop and buy one (a life). Until then, keep on writing nonsense. But don’t expect a reply

Arjuna,
So by now we all know what the Sevadars are. To briefly summarise a bunch of coward, fucking vegetarian faggots and thugs. Many thanks. Very useful.
Now do us another favour please. How about sharing for Atleast my benefit a critical self evaluation.
Hopefully this post reaches you unlike some other recent ones.

@ SP hello.
I apologise that was wrong of for me to say that. That was pure emotional coming out.
You are kind to to me in your posts.
I will think about what you have asked.
Have a good day.

Law this, law that, law overrides rules and what not and including by exercising legal rights even a sissy could have people in jail
Somebody also throw some Gyan about the extant laws in US and UK on defamation, libel and matters that are sub judice. Any lawyers around here.
Am sure GSD must be aware of the laws and his rights.
The postings in here with apparent impunity; the extant laws are they Impotent/ineffective or is it somebody’s magnanimity not invoking them
No ad nauseum whining/discussions about the what’s posted either here or else where.
What’s clear is somebody truly gives a fuck about anyone and everything in here.
Another reason for some why RSSB is a Cult!

Osho Robbins:
After you were banned from Haynes Park you had a dream to go back there so you did… I just hope you don’t have a dream to say put LSD in the water supply.

In USA we have free speech still, SP. Though some antisemites like Dungeness would like to take that away so that we can be thrown in gulags again for disagreeing with her tv provided views on history and subsequently guarantee war in USA and Europe. Strategic thinking and peace loving gal she is.
My point is that libel doesn’t really apply to anything being discussed here and I don’t know why you brought it up.
You’re getting emotional. Gurinder Singh can’t sue me because I left his cult and freely ask and speculate about his finances.
I thought you were afraid of eternal fire man. If it’s just defamation lawsuits that prevent you from leaving RSSB then stop worrying. You’re free to go.

Dear SP
What a joker!
Sue for defamation of character?
Who will Gurinder sue?
SP or saint Paltu?
A made up name ?
Surely you cannot be that stupid

“I just hope you don’t have a dream to say put LSD in the water supply.”
Why? LSD is awesome.
If we were all at least once or twice exposed to somewhat powerful psychedelic experiences there would likely be a lot of positive changes in the world.
If it was safe for the CIA to feed people against their will in an attempt to remove their self-will, then it’s safe for everyone. Trust the government, bro. It’s the moral and spiritual thing to do.

@my guru
Of course I am a joker. Even stupid. Much worse. But I am what I am because of you.
And thank you for not revealing your true identity. For it’s only the chosen few who deserve you.
Love you my guru!!!!

Agree with Jesse. LSD is awesome.
It should be given at the gates of Haynes Park so bell ends like georgy porgy have better things to imagine than perving and eating scones with a bit of chai.
Sorry couldn’t resist

The point is, I guess we all better hope the Osho Robbins does not watch any scary or violent films right before bed.

some people here said “sevadars have a lot of work to do in organising the satsang”
Complete nonsense.
As you drive in to Haynes, you will see a whole lot of them standing by the side of the road chatting.
The reason they are chatting is their job is to say “carry on straight” which is pointless as that is the only direction possible.
Some of them do their job and hand signal to go straight.
When you get to the gate one is two sevadars are Hand signalling to tell you to turn left.
Well obviously, nobody to going to drive straight passed the gate.
Then inside the same again.
Pointless duty done only because they have too many sevadars.
The only ones needed are the ones that help you park in a designated spot.
Now something that might be useful if they did real seva would be to hand you a small card indicating where your car is. Row number and column and what it’s near. That would be seva, caring about if Someone got lost.
When sevadar #2 saw me, he was waiting for me. Obviously nothing better to do. Others cane quickly to assault me. Again nothing better to do.
Then when I was walking towards the exit to leave, why stop me, when the job is done?
I am leaving. Job done. Why did six sevadars hold me while their boss sevadar arrived?
Is this super busy?
If they were busy, they would do their job.
So the idea that I somehow disrupted their busy schedule is nonsense.
Rather they stopped whatever useless seva they were doing to carry out a premeditated attack.
By no stretch of the imagination can that be called seva.
The only reason this incident can even happen is if there is no accountability.
Nobody above those seven sevadars to monitor them or make them accountable.
It’s like a number of police officers doling out their now justice. It’s now almost impossible because all officers are given designated duties each day. They are not free to do their own thing.

I have just heard about another person who was also attacked at Haynes Park. He was asked if he has a phone or recording Device on him. He said no.
The sevadar said he wants to search him. “I have just told you I don’t have any recording device, and you have no reason to search me” he replied,
Next thing you know, a number of sevadars assaulted him and got him on the ground and searched his pockets.
Turns out he was telling the truth. No apology was given.
In my case, brainwashed idiots like SP, Mike England and Georgy Porgy could argue that Instigated the whole event, and that the sevadars illegal actions were justified, however, in this incident, it was totally instigated by the sevadars.
I am still trying to find out the full details but my information so far suggests that some of these same sevadars were involved

Osho,
You are very knowledgeable, I cannot offer much but brotherly support.
RSSB train has been accelerating towards a crash under a management that is intoxicated with koolaid of arrogance for some time now.
You can write to BBJi, but response will be from a sevadar nominated/appointed by the management, and instructed to protect the sevadars, but nicely. Even Babaji has to go thru pre and post satsang/QA session briefings.
Principle qualification for any sevadar is unquestioning loyalty to his/her superior. Drink the koolaid and get your sevadar badge. With a badge they join the army of BBJi sevadars, and become far more superior to mere initiates.
However, are they serving kaal or Dayal? Whose work is really being done at these centers? And why does BBJi allow the train to keep accelerating?
S. Covey differentiates leadership and management as this: a group of volunteers are clearing a forest. A leader type climbs the tallest tree and tells the volunteers to stop cutting because it is the wrong forest. Management yelks at the workers to keep going, we are making progress.
In my opinion, you have tried to alert the higher ups and warned the passengers of impending crash. Now all you can do is save yourself.

“my information so far suggests that some of these same sevadars were involved ”
Because nobody, including the guru, wants that atmosphere to change. They see some benefit to having wannabe gangsters doing fake security against a bunch of hippies who just want to be mesmerized in the comfort of their own home by the audible lifestream dribbling from Mr 24 Hour Sunglasses mouth.
If I were one of the incessantly outraged attention seeking Sikh supremacists in UK, I’d be going to Haynes Park every weekend with a camera to try catching these beatings on camera. Those guys live for any reason to catch one of the “enemies of the Sikhs” doing something bad.

If this is true and sevadars are instigating violence then it needs to be stopped at once.
Bullying the sangat cannot be tolerated. Violence has no place in a spiritual sanctuary.
The sangat is taught to be non violent and if the sevadars are causing trouble then they should be replaced by people who can do the job without violence.
If this type of behaviour is tolerated then sooner or later they are going to pick on the wrong guy who will get his revenge then those sevadars will go crying to the police for assistance.
If this is really happening on a regular basis then it needs to be stopped. If there is corruption at the top those people need to be replaced.

I’d go hunting for them outside Haynes if they tried that shit with me. We would have a chance chat and these pussy sevadars would apologise perhaps even clean my car or shoes. I would own them.
Some people you dont miss with!!!!

“Violence has no place in a spiritual sanctuary. ”
Sikhs have a group known as “Nihangs” who are a shell of their old form, but still travel around to different temples to demonstrate the use of traditional weapons and fighting styles from the era of Guru Gobind Singh. They also do sparring with sticks instead of swoards, and it can get quite brutal. The highest ideal of any Sikh is not to be just a saint, but a sant siphai, or saint soldier.
The monks of Shaolin are Buddhist or something and their whole way of life revolves around training for acts of violence. I’m sure there are more examples of fighting spiritual groups.
Maybe it’s not that violence has no place in a so-called spiritual sanctuary, but that violence needs to have an outlet that builds character in the members. I mean, if you have security at all, you’re committed to the possibility of your members, or some proxy, committing acts of violence on behalf of the congregation.
Why not instead of having these loser sevadars who are untrained taking out their aggression on phone owners, they start bringing out the heavy bags and teaching some striking and grappling moves to the sangat. Instill some physical discipline in them so that they’ll all self regulate. It’s no more or less spiritual than sitting and listening to a business man talking about shabd.

I am an ordinary follower, and I know this is all true.
I know the people involved, and so do most of the satsangis.
They are bullies and corrupt.
They carry out violence like this all the time.
Ordinary satsangis need to speak up.
Breaking the law and physical assault cannot be tolerated.
Sikhs are trained to stand up against violence of this type.
A Sikh never starts trouble but he also doesn’t tolerate this type of behaviour.
These so called sevadars need to be taught a good lesson.
I encourage ordinary satsangis to take action or else they are responsible.
Come in this site and tell your own accounts of similar incidents.
Name these people.
Osho you should report this and if the police don’t take action then go on the Sikh channel and tell your story

I am an insider and I was there when Osho got punched in the face. If anyone found out that I am writing this, there would be trouble, but I cannot remain quiet any longer and just watch this.
I was going to speak up when this happened. If it had gone any further than one punch, I would have stopped it, but because it went no further, I remained quiet.
It was out of order. The idea was just to warn Osho never to come back. Physically grabbing people and searching them or removing them is part of our job. But actual violence is not. It just got out of hand.
It should never have happened. Normally we do a good job and make sure nobody breaks the rules but we never punch anyone or slap them or hurt them in any way other than to just use enough force to get them to co-operate. We only get involved if someone causes trouble.
Osho wasn’t causing any trouble as he was leaving. I was told that it was just to give him a warning nothing more. on my behalf I am sorry things went so far. its not how we normally work.
it would have been better to just let him leave in peace.

“RSSB train has been accelerating towards a crash under a management that is intoxicated with koolaid of arrogance for some time now.”
Good you know. Don’t come in it’s tracks.
“You are very knowledgeable”
LOL
“Even Babaji has to go thru pre and post satsang/QA session briefings.”
Post when you stop deluding
“However, are they serving kaal or Dayal?”
Even if themselves. The who shouldn’t concern you.
“And why does BBJi allow the train to keep accelerating?”
Because loves fast things in life. From Ferraris to Lear Jets to Bullet trains. And what he likes matters and not who wish it ought to be.
“you have tried to alert the higher ups”
Is it? You mean Brian?
“You can write to BBJi, but response will be from a sevadar nominated/appointed by the management”
Dig around and find about what he personally responds to. But this enlightened doesn’t need to write to BBji. He has access to his boss – Charan
“Principle qualification for any sevadar is unquestioning loyalty to his/her superior.”
So what? Your choices lump it or get out.

I never once doubted you Osho

Security Sevadars better not try using intimidated violence on American Satsangis that show up at Fayetteville, North Carolina Satsangs. Insiders know that 60% of Americans in North Carolina, And most of the South, including Texas are either “ Open Carrying” their gun, or have “ Conceal Carry” legal permits to carry a hidden gun on their person. Security Bullies threatening American Satsangis are apt to be American Indian Jones.
https://youtu.be/7YyBtMxZgQs
Jim Sutherland

“Sikhs are trained to stand up against violence of this type.
A Sikh never starts trouble but he also doesn’t tolerate this type of behaviour. ”
Do a google search for “Gurdwara fight” and if you have time, add each name of a major city of Canada, and UK. There are massive brawls in Sikh Gurdwaras about monthly somewhere in USA, Canada or UK. Sometimes even more frequently.
Not sure where you get your info from, but you’re mostly repeating a slogan that is popular in that community. The reality doesn’t match it at all. I left Sikhism because of the incessant glorifying of violence.

Osho Robbins
Thank you for including me with such luminaries as SP and Georgy Porgy.
I am truly flattered.
The violence perpetrated by the seven screaming sevadars is unmistakably brutal. Nobody, even you, deserved such harsh treatment.
But please note, that all I was doing was taking the piss out of you. Which I think you thoroughly deserved.
Your pointless q and a with the baba is quite annoying and it seems these magnificent seven were after some modicum of revenge of sorts.
Though it appears now that they are bullies.
Take Arjuna next time you go. That’ll learn ‘em.

@jesse
I stand corrected
They are not supposed to instigate violence
Would be more accurate

@ Mike.
Violence well trained violence is in my nature. To protect the helpless too.
I’d love to have been with Osho that day. He would have freaked out with all the screams coming from these magnificent sevadars.
Note I hate bullies.

“They are not supposed to instigate violence
Would be more accurate”
I’d agree with that in a historical sense. Sikhism seemed to be a very different religion altogether. But the ethos of modern day Sikhism doesn’t even seem to come from the same source.
Just yesterday I was reading a translation of the Sukhmani Sahib, and in it the Vedas and other Hindu texts are translated as “the purest of utterances” and were created by the “one word and name of the lord.” If you were to ask certain large segments of the Sikh community today, they’d say it is against the religion to even read those things, and that their duty is to keep people away. in some instances when Hindus or other non-Sikhs have sung kirtan in Gurdwaras (which themselves are modern in origin. There were supposedly Dharamsalas previously) Sikhs have protested and made violent threats.
But yes, were Sikhs even interested, let alone following, the tenets of their religion from a pre-Rehet Maryada standpoint, there’d be no issue with them being aggressive. They were once famous for protecting the temples of other religions and their devotees, being that they all themselves originated from other religions. Not so much anymore.
On a side note, my friend had a guru who he couldn’t call a guru because Sikhs only call the GGS a guru, and this guy was supposedly the embodiment of peace and all things good. He told me to check out the guru, or sorry jathedar/sant/gyani/whatever’s website. It was a picture of the guru guy posing stoically with a very spiritual looking facial expression with khanda sahibs and ik omkars as decor in the background.
On the sidebar of the site were the words “Enemies of Sikhs!” with a list including Nirankaris, Namdharis, Radha Soamis etc. and the font used for their names looked like letters dripping blood.

“The best way to find your self is to lose yourself in the service of others.” It is believed that through service, one loses one’s sense of self-importance and becomes humble. That is the foundation of a spiritual life.
Taken from the official RSSB webby

LOL at the ‘magnificent seven’ by ME – oh shit I think I just passed wind. Might need diapers soon, g’day.

@RadhaSoami Insider:|
“I am an insider and I was there when Osho got punched in the face. If anyone found out that I am writing this, there would be trouble… ”
You are more worried about what these so called “sevadars” think — than what God knows.
As a Satsangi you should know that no one is exempt from the law of Karma.
The persons involved in this owe an apology to Osho and the Sangat they purport to serve.
They should do this as soon as possible.

Georgy… It is ok to lose your sh*t sometimes because if you keep your sh*t, you’ll end up full of sh*t and then you’ll explode and there’ll be sh*t everywhere. A sh*t storm. And nobody wants that. (Yep I can even find sh*t quotes) lol

“they start bringing out the heavy bags and teaching some striking and grappling moves to the sangat.”
Would you like to volunteer as the bag? You should since you own this idea. Live bag, interactive session, sangat will enjoy too. Will save a huge shit storm from happening too.
The Sevadars will watch and learn learn.

Jim,
“Security Bullies threatening American Satsangis are apt to be American Indian Jones.
https://youtu.be/7YyBtMxZgQs“
Indiana Jones. Do not insult us. Take a look at what just one of us can do to the modern day American super heroes.
https://youtu.be/7cyjntmjFAc
HaHaHa.
At the moment, all over world we are the boss, WE ARE THE BOSS.

@Jesse
I am talking about these teachings, that the person in this video below is explaining.
The true teachings of gurbani are very different from what most people take them to mean.
That means Sikhs also misunderstand their own text, as do Radha soamis.
I am not putting anyone down, just stating the truth.
In this video if you watch from 40 mins in or 45 mins in he explains very clearly that we are misinterpreting the real meaning and making up our own meaning.
47 mins in: guru Nanak is not trying to convert you…
watch it here
https://youtu.be/nva2PrnEfOY
Refreshing new view of the real meaning beyond religion

Humare pyare Ram Singhji
“You are more worried about what these so called “sevadars” think — than what God knows.
As a Satsangi you should know that no one is exempt from the law of Karma.”
God knows only one thing – you get what you deserve (karma right)
So then this Osho fellow got what he deserved right. Why all this drama then?
Karma will catch with us too. We happily accept karmic consequences.

The sevadars who carried out this attack and who regularly assault innocent members of the sangat actually believe they are exempt from the law of karma
Because they believe they have the authority and permission of the guru to carry out this “special seva”
They are proud of their seva and their actions, not ashamed.
The osho incident was a blessing in disguise as it has brought this out in the open so it can be handled before it gets out of control

Attn Sevadores, Inc…….President Donald Trump just had a private meeting in Texas with India’s Prime Minister Modi, and instructed him to……… https://youtu.be/9HGMxZEl60k
KAL will soon be paying you A—holes a visit, as Osho gets his revenge. Brian Hines wearing his Martial Arts Black Belt when acting as Gurinder Singh’s Security Guard Sevadore said he was ready to take a Bullet defending Gurinder, but now that he has become a Heretic of RSSB, KAL will not devour him when Modi releases the Kraken!
Karma runs over all dog mas.
Jim Sutherland

“The best way to find your self is to lose yourself in the service of others.” It is believed that through service, one loses one’s sense of self-importance and becomes humble. That is the foundation of a spiritual life.”
Clearly this should be replaced with
“The best way to lose your self is to find yourself in the service of others.” It is believed that through service, one gains a great sense of self-importance and becomes supremely proud with possible delusions that they own everything and have more power than the Satguru. That is the foundation of a fucked up spiritual life. Please undertake seva at your own risk.”

@ Osho,…….You should produce a Youtube Video Series linked to your Sant Mat 2.0 Video, and do a Skit like “ Punch & Judy”, but title the Series,…” PUNCH & OSHO”. You could audition Manjit to be the RSSB Sevadore that punched you, and your Relatives to act as the other members of the Gang of 6 Bully Sevadors. Then, you could stand at the entrance gate at Haynes Park before every Satsang, and pass out Leaflets with the Youtube Links to your “ PUNCH & OSHO” Series, until you become the new Celebrity of “ Sevadore Busters”. Bollywood might make a movie to replace “ Ghost Busters” calling it “ Sevadore Busters”, making you the Star, and Manjit your Co-Star, then, you might get the attention and recognition of RSSB that you have always lusted for. Not THAT should get Gurinder Singh Dhillon’s attention enough to invide you to sit beside him on the Dias, instead of just listening to your Oneness Dribbles at the Q & A Mic.
Jim Sutherland

“The best way to lose your self is to find yourself in the service of others.” It is believed that through service, one gains a great sense of self-importance and becomes supremely proud with possible delusions that they own everything and have more power than the Satguru. That is the foundation of a fucked up spiritual life. Please undertake seva at your own risk.”
Osho,
The right address to give this suggestion is
The Secretary
Radha Soami Satsang Beas
Dera Baba Jaimal Singh
District Amritsar
Beas, Punjab 143 204, India
OF COURSE WITH YOUR REAL NAME AND ADDRESS SO THAT YOU GET A CONFIRMATION OF RECEIPT AND SUBSEQUENT CONFIRMATION THAT YOUR INVALUABLE SUGGESTION IS NOW THE OFFICIAL STANCE AT RSSB!!!

Brian congrats!
You now have RS insiders, RS mainstream, RS RS sevadars, and even slaves of GSD posting on you site.
I applaud you for this blog which allows people to share their thoughts and opinions and learn from each other.

RS insider,
Thank you for speaking up and confirming what happened to Osho.
You can take it a step further by raising it at one of the management committees, such as, the CMC, and post the gist of that discussion here.

Jim,
DT instructed Namo. LOL.
Known to hardly anybody, GSD accompanied Modi at his request to Houston.
Yes, Modi is a RSSB disciple.
Poor Kal. Like we said WE ARE THE BOSS. No Kal’s fear in us. We will account our karmas with grace.

Jim,
Did you mean Arjuna as co-star?
Actually this Osho fellow doesn’t need to look far. The script for episode 1 is already available. A Hindi version. All he needs to do is dig around a little bit in here or related.
Cheers

@Sevadors,……..President Trump was not afraid of you in Houston trying to protect GSD’s Clone at Modi’s Third Eye! That’s what Osho should have done at Haynes!
#FraudNewsCNN
Jim Sutherland

You sure DT wasn’t afraid? If yes, that’s good. Thanks for confirming. He was reasonably good at body slamming in 2007. But it’s 12 years since.
We might now recommend his name to GSD and get him hired as a Sevadar.
And all you guys in here show some respect to the punching Sevadar at Haynes. He is Potus material.

The Punching Sevadar
How cool
Was there once a butcher saint?
I’m gonna apply to be a chair pulling sevadar. At satsang, when a sangati goes to sit down, I pull the chair away to the sound of a penny whistle 😵

@jesse
This video at 48 mins in expresses the view that Sikhism was not set up by Nanak to be a religion.
https://youtu.be/nva2PrnEfOY
The moment a organisation springs up and a separate identity is created then the spiritual is gone and a trap is there in its place.
This is now what has happened at RSSB as well as the other Sant mat organisations
The “Radha Soami follower” now considers himself different and separate from others, but is as lost as anyone else.
Because the real question is “has he realised the ONE?” And the answer is no.
Radha swamis are not considered to be Sikhs anymore.
Create any “ism” and it’s one more trap
Gurinder has called it science of the soul to avoid another ism
He could have written “Radha soami satsang Haynes” outside Haynes
He himself is not creating it as a separate “ism” but the followers are.
Over enthusiastic sevadars like the ones I had the pleasure of meeting are part of the problem not part of the solution

@Mike
There is no official “chair pulling” seva because it’s not considered a good thing except by you.
You will just have to use your own initiative and just do it. You will then meet the magnificent seven and the punching sevadar, then it might not be as romantic as you imagined

“Radha swamis are not considered to be Sikhs anymore.”
The most ridiculously ignorant statement ever in the history of RSSB!!
Not considered to be Sikhs ANYMORE. This moron doesn’t know Radha swamis do not consider themselves (except already Sikh followers) nor were they all ever considered to be Sikhs!!!

Osho
Cool 😎

Osho
What I mean is
That’s the coolest thing you’ve ever written

Jim
Like your comments re the punch and osho.
I suggest we call it
The Punch & 👊sho
It would be billed like Se7en
and
Th13rteen Ghosts
I can hear the 💰 already

S Kapoor, I was referring to the “except already Sikh followers” category which you have excluded from your statement.

Mike,
Are you referring to the newly invented chair pulling seva which you are earmarked for
Or
The comment directed to Jesse

Osho
The chair pulling seva comment.
It is good to see you inject humour into your ripostes.
Keep up the good work.
Also, I really like your “God is the hero with a thousand faces” comment some time back.

“I’m gonna apply to be a chair pulling sevadar. At satsang, when a sangati goes to sit down, I pull the chair away to the sound of a penny whistle”
Our dear brother Mike,
Greetings from Sevadar Inc.
Thank you for the interest shown by you in doing Seva.
We presume you know the address where you need to send your application. In case not, it’s the same that was published in here a few days back.
Currently vacancies for this particular Seva exist at Dera only – not at Satsangs though but amongst Sevadars. So pulling the chair when another sevadar is about to sit on his.
Also at Satsangs, the cue isn’t the sounds of penny whistles.
Looking forward to receiving your application. Please note that for current vacancies prior experience is preferred.
Humbly yours
Sevadar Inc

Dear Sevadars Inc
Mike has declined the seva due to other commitments but I am free and available for if.
In my case you won’t need my application because
1. I am a rule breaker by nature and it’s against my religion to fill in forms
2. I am already a sevadar with previous experience, when I was a registered national speaker extraordinaire as evidenced by this video
https://youtu.be/7G7jTT8Nak8
As a sidebar I suggest that you and all sevadars listen to this satsang every day for a week before undertaking any major seva such as the National satsang.
I will be available for any questions if sevadars are u clear on any point.
3. Babaji knows me very well and I am sure he will vouch for me. I had a dream that he would so I am sure he will. But in case he doesn’t I know plenty of other gurus also who will authenticate my seva without any application process.
The chair pulling seva will be of immense benefit to the sevadars as it will create tremendous humility. It will be a rule that once you are a recipient of the chair pulling seva, you will thank the person who pulled the chair and provided the thankfulness is authentic then you immediately get to join the chair pulling team.
Note there is no “I” in team
This is not a spelling mistake
So don’t try to add an “I”
Because if you do then it will be an “I” for an “I” and a tooth for a tooth and a punch for a punch if you get my drift.
The reason there is no “I” in team is because seva is about eliminating the “I” not strengthening it
So the idea is to practise being humble
And this means stop ordering people about.
Once you become part of the chair pulling team which I will be the “head” of then your spiritual progress will increase dramatically because you will no longer be allowed to order the sangat about
In fact the sangat will be specifically asked NOT to obey you and you have to say “thank you” to them for disobeying
Once you are humble enough then you will be initiated into the secrets of THE ONE

I hope the above is all clear enough
But if not please write any questions on a postcard because I can’t be bothered to open letters.
And post to
Osho Robbins
The Dera of IKK
No 1, IKK Lane,
IKK Ville
Dusar Nahin Koi. City
IKK desh
Please allow one infinity of days for the postcard to arrive and 2x infinity for the reply because sometimes I am busy doing seva and giving talks
All the best
Punch recipient #1
And thank you to the punching sevadar
Only by your grace has this new seva position opened up

https://youtu.be/fAMEOFB01mU
It will be a requirement for every sevadar who qualifies to join my elite group of “lowly sevadars” to sing this song to Babaji in the singing session.
But with different lyrics
“How many punches must a sevadar receive, before you call him a sevadar
Yes And how many times must a sevadar fall before he drops his ahankar
The answer my friend is IKK
Provided the IKK is realised“

For anyone still on the fence about joining my
Elitist group of
Humble sevadar training
This song to inspire you to act
You get get to do it once
https://youtu.be/LGfhStYcCZk

Before the last two comments there was another one which it appears has got lost on cyber space.
I cannot repeat it but I will give write what I remember if it
DeAr sevadars inc
Mike cannot accept the chair pulling seva due to previous commitments of a more important nature
Therefore I am offering to do it instead.
I won’t bother applying because
1. I am not good at following rules and even worse at filling in forms.
2. Babaji knows me well and and I also had a dream so I assume he has authorised me
3. I have previous experience as I was a national speaker extraordinaire as evidenced by this video
https://youtu.be/7G7jTT8Nak8
So I assume I am now authorised.
So we will begin with humility training.
When I pull a chair of a sevadar as he is about to sit and he falls instead, his response has to be a deep felt “thank you” instead of anger.
If he passes, he will join my team
But remember there is no “I” in team
That doesn’t mean I can’t spell and don’t try to add an “I”
It means the purpose of joining the team is to eliminate the “I” not enhance it.
Only those who join my team will be real sevadars who want to drop the ego
The rest of the egomaniacs can still do the mainstream seva until their ego explodes.
Those who join my team will lower their ego on a daily basis until one day their ego completely vanishes into the ONE.
At that time they can retire from seva and will get a “I am nothing” achievement sticker.

“S Kapoor, I was referring to the “except already Sikh followers” category”
Oh is it. Maybe my poor English then. You see I ain’t from England.

“sometimes I am busy doing seva and giving talks”
And rest of the time? Velaa is it?
Btw when do we get to read about the second assault incident at Haynes Park?

@S Kapoor
Not sure what “second assault” you are referring to.
The entire incident has now been reported.
Unless you can read the Akashik records and know something I don’t know

“Mike cannot accept the chair pulling seva due to previous commitments of a more important nature”
Yar to that.
I’m a chair pulling sevadar for the Sangatis NOT the sevadars
But I will assist you in training the sevadars to pull their own chair out from under themselves to the penny whistle sound.
After they land on their bums, they can be renamed sevadarse. That plus the Ian Nothing sticker will make the Dera the haven on earth it once was.

“I have just heard about another person who was also attacked at Haynes Park. He was asked if he has a phone or recording Device on him. He said no.
The sevadar said he wants to search him. “I have just told you I don’t have any recording device, and you have no reason to search me” he replied,
Next thing you know, a number of sevadars assaulted him and got him on the ground and searched his pockets.
Turns out he was telling the truth. No apology was given.
In my case, brainwashed idiots like SP, Mike England and Georgy Porgy could argue that Instigated the whole event, and that the sevadars illegal actions were justified, however, in this incident, it was totally instigated by the sevadars.
I am still trying to find out the full details but my information so far suggests that some of these same sevadars were involved’
Osho,
Didn’t you post this in here on September 22, 2019 at 04:25 PM ?

@S Kapoor
Yes I did post that, and I have spoken to the person involved. Apparently this is quite normal, and happens fairly regularly, so Is not considered a big deal.
The incident with me was significant because the sevadar lost control and punched me, which crosses a line that should not be crossed.
I don’t have much more details as it never happened to me. I have reported mine in full detail.
Despite what some ppl on here seem to think, my only reason for going into detail was to bring the incident to the attention of the officials at RSSB. Beyond that I have no motive.
In the divine play of God which Hindus call Leela, it’s all god playing with god.
In a movie there have to be villains and heroes, otherwise you can’t make a movie. Both are needed. Only heroes doesn’t work. So In the same way the world only functions if both heroes and villains exist.
Granth sahib I believe p 192 if I remember correctly, says
Kaisi andar paap pun dhui Bhai
Dhauii mil ke srisht apaai
In the body are two brothers
Sin and virtue
Dhovai mast jai ikat ghar avai
Kill both and enter the house of the ONE

Osho I’m curious to know where would you place yourself?villain or hero?

A mild punch is crossing a line which must not be crossed and so significant
but
number of sevadars assault this other guy and get him on the ground is routine and so not a big deal
Villian or Hero?? NA. YOU ARE A JOKE OSHO!!!!

Recording when not allowed
That part of the movie I am playing the villain
Later, the sevadars are the villains and I am the hero.
S Kapoor is playing the part of the joker

S Kapoor
You have no idea what goes on
You have no experience of any of this
So you are the joker
Because you think you know

Those who know – they know
Those who don’t know – but think they know – they are deluded idiots
Those who don’t know and know they don’t know are ready to know

S Kapoor
You have no idea what goes on
You have no experience of any of this
So you are the joker
Because you think you know
Posted by: Osho Robbins | October 01, 2019 at 01:24 PM
Osho,
Joke: a ridiculous individual. Somebody who people laugh at. YOU
Joker: someone who makes people laugh. Of course one of the all time greatest and menacing villain as well. ME
But a nitwit like you still won’t understand.

Those who know – they know
Those who don’t know – but think they know – they are deluded idiots
Those who don’t know and know they don’t know are ready to know
Posted by: Osho Robbins | October 01, 2019 at 07:31 PM
And there are those who don’t know and will never know a.k.a. Osho Robbins

Dear Sevadars Inc
Mike has declined the seva due to other commitments but I am free and available for if.
In my case you won’t need my application because
1. I am a rule breaker by nature and it’s against my religion to fill in forms
2. I am already a sevadar with previous experience, when I was a registered national speaker extraordinaire as evidenced by this video
https://youtu.be/7G7jTT8Nak8
As a sidebar I suggest that you and all sevadars listen to this satsang every day for a week before undertaking any major seva such as the National satsang.
I will be available for any questions if sevadars are u clear on any point.
3. Babaji knows me very well and I am sure he will vouch for me. I had a dream that he would so I am sure he will. But in case he doesn’t I know plenty of other gurus also who will authenticate my seva without any application process.
The chair pulling seva will be of immense benefit to the sevadars as it will create tremendous humility. It will be a rule that once you are a recipient of the chair pulling seva, you will thank the person who pulled the chair and provided the thankfulness is authentic then you immediately get to join the chair pulling team.
Note there is no “I” in team
This is not a spelling mistake
So don’t try to add an “I”
Because if you do then it will be an “I” for an “I” and a tooth for a tooth and a punch for a punch if you get my drift.
The reason there is no “I” in team is because seva is about eliminating the “I” not strengthening it
So the idea is to practise being humble
And this means stop ordering people about.
Once you become part of the chair pulling team which I will be the “head” of then your spiritual progress will increase dramatically because you will no longer be allowed to order the sangat about
In fact the sangat will be specifically asked NOT to obey you and you have to say “thank you” to them for disobeying
Once you are humble enough then you will be initiated into the secrets of THE ONE
Posted by: Osho Robbins | September 29, 2019 at 12:10 AM
Dear Brother Osho,
There is no place for discards and morons like you.
And don’t you know Sevadars Inc holds GSD by his b@##$. So knowing GSD or his vouching isn’t even worth dog shit. Gosh family generations following RSSB and you don’t even know this bit.
Go have a sixsome (to begin with) with and from amongst your plenty other Gurus.