Open Thread 25 (free speech for comments)

The Singh brothers plea for bail has been denied (“deferred”).
https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/delhi-court-defers-hearing-on-singh-brothers-bail-plea-till-tuesday/articleshow/71651396.cms
The investigation needs them safe until the trial? And available to help with the investigation? Who else is being investigated? What threat do they represent?

Since people start insulting my Master CharanJi MaharaJI
concerning the so called “divine law”
of not accepting an income or compensation or useful help ( like a car or a plane)
Where is that written the first time? –
How could that function these days?
There are no Laws for God , . . . in the flesh or not
Ramana Maharshi :
“For knowing HIM, we have to be HIM”
We can easily BE HIM during ‘No Thoughts’ meditation
777
PS
All those speculations and nobody reacting on the free chapter sayings
Just readI trust that the amount of exers, will not
surpass 10 people
versus 4 million!

Seeing this wasn’t published in the thread it was posted here it is in open discussion in answer to RSSB I’m Finished with you (Oshkosh Robbins)
Nope (Osho) – RSSB is Finished
I don’t see cracks
I see mauj transpiring, history explicitly being fulfilled (hukum – mauj – the will as it is deemed fit in circumstance)
History is full of it
As Huzur Charan Grewal had to adapt and adopt the will of his own masters wishes to undertake the responsibility of Soami Ji’s and Jaimal Singh’s patronage shepherding their santmat, so did Gurinder have to do likewise.
As did those succumbed to Ceasars and Emperors and societal laws and judgment through the annals of history.
As Arjan’s execution by emperor Jahangir for refusal to bow to Muslim indoctrination – (blasphemy)
As Christ’s crucifixion by religious leaders for non renunciation of proclamation that he was embodiment of Godhood. (blasphemy)
As Mansur’s imprisonment torture and execution by religious ruling classes of Baghdad for announcement he was embodiment of the Truth. (blasphemy)
As Sarmad was beheaded by Aurungzeb for non recital of full Muslim Kalma and for sitting on Delhi Palace court steps entirely naked. (blasphemy)
And as Gurinder being slandered, castigated and maligned by the know it all intelligentsia of the CotC klux klan, along with some his own family members, is tantamount to recognize that Gurinder, like Socrates, Christ, Mansur, Sarmad, and many others before him, don’t give two hoots about society’s so called moralistic indignation.
He will do what it takes as deemed fit to fulfill the will of history’s injunction is it’s playing out its cause.
Because like those who have traveled beyond the constraints of intellectualized reasoning know how it cuts whenever it’s required to separate wheat from chaff,
Such is the will that true saints adopt and fulfill their participation in its unrelenting exacting condition.

OK apologies,
The comment was posted on the applicable thread. Regards

trust that the amount of exers, will not
surpass 10 people
versus 4 million!
Posted by: 🌈 🙏 🌈 | October 19, 2019 at 07:04 AM
@777
You can’t be more wrong. A Jim and Lane have already invested a few million bucks transforming some grounds in California into satsang venues at which all rich Indians who can afford air tickets and hotel cost will attend plus setting up the tech to broadcast.
Already I hear airlines are ramping up their websites lest it crashes due to heavy bookings. LoL
The interest in India is gonna be huge man…. A white skinned supposedly multi talented yet mimic Guru would still be unique – maybe you haven’t seen how Indians line up to observe anything and everything which they can laugh at.

What 777 seems not to understand is that hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of people have already left RSSB or were never truly part of it anyway.
Tons of people will take “initiation” or naamdaan as they call it, and then forget that it ever happened, never go to a satsang again and likely go back to the religion of their ancestors. RS keeps those numbers of ex RS on the books because there is no way to formally leave, and I’ve heard some speculation that their records include the dead going back a very long time. Again, no way to report deaths to the Org or the number of apostates, so none of their numbers mean anything.
On top of that, you have an entire generation of kids who were pressured by their family to join but who never believed in the first place. Westerners approach RS in a completely different way and don’t really see it as a communal thing, but that’s not so in India where being an RS initiate or in a RS family is almost like belonging to a caste at this point. They hire each other, marry each other and everything else.
Speaking of that, a cab driver for RS foreigners tried to get me to marry his niece once just cause i was initiated, but I’m not Indian so her brothers wouldn’t allow it (OMG RACISM. I thought only white people were racist???).
She was incredibly beautiful and I probably should have secretly eloped with her and all that but it’s too late now. I’m old and married. She’s probably 200kg at this point after having kids and gorging on buttery parathas for the past 15 years. Come to think of it, I’m glad her brothers were racist satsangis. Probably saved me from serious disappointment.

@Jesse
Probably saved me from serious disappointment.
Haha. Yes
Yesterday I stopped my car 3 seconds to let out a mosquito.
That act changed the total coding
of the 9^9¨9Qubits PC , we are in
in this cluster
Anyhow – by this NOT thinking – Charan introduced me to this programmer
for some minutes
It was awesome
Nothing is happening than Love, which is again used 4the next round!
OMG –
This is a super Path
You owe me an apologise after calling me a lie-er

im and Lane have already invested a few million bucks transforming some grounds in California into satsang venues at which all rich Indians who can afford air tickets and hotel cost
Right on St Andreas
read my lips
7

“Show your source where Gurinder Singh ever called himself ‘God’.”
Whodunit, The entire Science of the Soul Research Center book catalog should suffice.
If he has accepted the title and position of “master” who “initiates” “satsangis” into “surat shabd yoga” then he is calling himself god. Period. Full stop. Bas.
If the organization he is in 100% control of uses his photo and under that photo is the caption “current living master” and he doesn’t force them to stop, then he is calling himself god.
Unless he publishes a new book, and not supposedly gives a satsang to a handful of westerners, that says “I truly and unambiguously am not a master. Do not call me “master” and do not follow me, because I am leaving this organization”, and then he asks that his own book publishers and photo printers stop using his likeness, and stop calling him “master”, then he is still accepting the title of living god.
Why do the same things have to be repeated so often? This is not integral math. It’s basic reasoning.
Imagine Tim Cook showing up to work one day and learning that Apple corporation is being sued because he stole a billion in cash, and when presented with a subpoena he replies “I have never once in my life called myself the CEO. Sorry bros, not coming to court lol. But I’m still in charge of the company by the way.” That would almost be as stupid and absurd as being a satasangi or being Gurinder.
But stop with the dumb games now, whodunit. You know what the teachings are and you know the role, title and everything else this man willingly accepts. If he wasn’t a god, he should have refused to accept the role of living god. He wasn’t ignorant of what he was doing.
He’ll burn in eternal hell for this mistake he made anyway. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! SEE YOU IN HELL BABA JI!!!
J/k.
Seriously though, if there is some such place as hell, not only will Gurinder be there burning, but Manjit will be super sad that his intellectual arrogance didn’t allow him to acknowledge the possibility of it, and his failure to prepare and be honest about what he really knows will haunt him FOREVER. But I won’t be able to really mock him at that point, cause I’ll be burning in hell, too. With all of you.

https://www.facebook.com/watchparty/926429467742932/?entry_source=CTA_CREATION_DIALOG
🌈 7

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I have a sincere question
about Indian Legislation without chat from the ignorants, please. 🙏
Here in France and all European countries
and others worldwide
it’is not only tax deductible when you donate to religious organisations
but also : such gifts cannot be claimed back
Courts don’t accept such cases
So, . . . What is Indian Law saying
777

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A second question :
Here in France when I selll an apple for 1$
next the buyer sells it for 2$
Then he, the first buyer is informed by a dubious whistleblower
that illegal pesticide was used. and claims half a dollar back
Which court worldwide would arbiter for granting half that dollar
777
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Whatever the accused has done can and is never an excuse for that behaviour.
Posted by: um | October 20, 2019 at 10:42 AMI had a friend ( RIP) who remembered
being brought to the guillotine but his actual nightmare was all the crazy yelling
people around doing their business and household stuff
while attending the “cinema”
I wonder if they had bottles to fill
for making saucisses
Vive La France, . . . aaaah. the dutch (me) were worse
7

Hi 777
Let’s ask the right questions.
If stolen millions should be siphoned to a charity, can they no longer be reclaimed by the victims they were stolen from, under Indian law?
Ie, can any amount become untouchable by law if the stolen money is siphoned by a chain of individuals to a charity?
Is charitable donation in India a legally protected haven for stolen money?
And does it protect all the hands that moved that stolen money from criminal prosecution ?
And if the destination of stolen money is a charity, do the victims whose money was stolen have no further recourse for justice?

Spence
So, You don’t know
I asked for religious ends , not charity
Those might be different in India
That is because so many temples and mosques in India
and the general mentality and reactions are so different
We were in Kashmir where they have one hair of the prophet in a Mosque
Next day there was something in Israel and in the Shrinagar newspaper
Then Children , Young as 8 / 12 started throwing stones at us
and we had to be protected by police
There are often kind of curfews because of temple issues everywhere
It’s way different than we can understand
or discuss
Perhaps a real Indian can answer my 2 questions
77
BTW
YFor a big writer here it was an amazement you avoided my second question even when it’s SOOO EASY
“Anybody tells me nothing !!! . . .”
( The Old Town Road on Youtube )

Hi 777
You asked
“A second question :
” Here in France when I selll an apple for 1$
next the buyer sells it for 2$
“Then he, the first buyer is informed by a dubious whistleblower
that illegal pesticide was used. and claims half a dollar back
” Which court worldwide would arbiter for granting half that dollar.
If the claim of pesticide is true, and your records hid this fact, you will owe far more than the price of an apple.
And the one who bought your apple cart and must now pay your fine has every right to demand you pay it.
The FDA Ranbaxy fine is the largest fine in the entire history of the United States food and drug administration. It is absolutely appropriate for Daiichi to demand that the prior owners who created this violation of tainted meds and covered it up by falsification of documents, pay the fines and any additional legal expenses.

there is not a single document mentioning it as a donation,
neither from Singh brothers, nor from Dhillon family.
The Singh brothers claimed in court as loan (not sure what is written in the books of accounts),
whereas if we track back the 2013 letter Babaji wrote,
it’s evident that it was some collateral residing with Singh brothers,
and they didn’t return it back to Babaji, and in lieu of that they returned this money.
If Dhillon family has submitted in legal writing to the court that they DON’t owe anything
to the Singh brothers or Religare,
then it Means something, it’s not a fluke.
If you are keeping trust on the High court, then wait for the verdict,
don’t hurry, be patient.

I have a sincere question
about Indian Legislation without chat from the ignorants, please. 🙏
Here in France and all European countries
and others worldwide
it’is not only tax deductible when you donate to religious organisations
but also : such gifts cannot be claimed back
Courts don’t accept such cases
So, . . . What is Indian Law saying
777
Posted by: 🙏 | October 20, 2019 at 10:02 AM
Yes there is some tax relief one gets (a ceiling or 50% of amount donated whichever is less) for qualifying donations – can be for religious purposes or otherwise too.
Claiming back gifts – a gift deed (if executed) is irrevocable unless the deed is executed by illegal coercion. Even then courts have to be approached which then cancels it if coercion is proved.
Else post deed, donee is absolute owner. This is also for all acknowledged cash donations.
But what’s your point here? Does a scenario where the Singh crooks allege that they cash donated xxx crores (unacknowledged donations like how large number of ordinary sangat does ) worry you? I don’t put it past the Singhs using this trick as well.
BTW did innocent charities have to repay their Madoff money?

@Brian
Love hurts. But the pain of love also is pleasure.
Before the existence of this blog and certainly before 1990
you would have thought:
“What a Grace that Zuzu also will go to Satch Khand
because of her attachment to me, more than for the squirrels”
It applies to people who love you, . . attached to U
and also to jeevas you sincerely love
It’s where “hearts are ” already – what a simple LAW
777

A song I like…
https://youtu.be/sEjmJ1Ge00U
Lyrics:
Sister can you hear me now
The ringing in your ears
I’m down on the ground
My luck’s been dry for years
I’m lost in the dark
And I feel like a dinosaur
Broken face and broken hands
I’m a broken man
I’ve hit the wall
I’m about to fall
But I’m closing in on it
I feel so weak
On a losing streak
Watch my taillights fade to black
I read a thing about this girl
She was a hermit in her world
Her story was much like mine
She could be my valentine
And although we’ve never met
I won’t forget her yet
She cut herself off from her past
Now she’s alone at last
I feel so sick
Lost love’s last licks
But I’m closing down on it
I feel so weak
On a losing streak
Watch my taillights fade to black
Lost my life in cheap wine
Now it’s quiet time
Cappy Dick nor Jesus Christ
Could not help my fate
But I’m underneath a gun
I’m singing about my past
Had myself a wonderful thing
But I could not make it last
I’ve hit the wall
I’m about to fall
But I’m closing in on it
I feel so small
Underneath it all
Watch my taillights fade to black
Watch my taillights fade
Watch my taillights fade
Watch my taillights fade

NOT GUILTY’ until convicted in the court and proved to be guilty. It is too early to label Baba Gurinder Singh of any wrong doing
“Posted by: Gurdip Singh | October 21, 2019 at 09:29 AM
Do you want this blog to come to grinding halt until the court verdict?
Come on you can’t wish this.
Posted by: slave_of_GSD | October 21, 2019 at 10:46 AM

“A true Master doesn’t allow you to bow.”
“The Lord serves us all silently.”
These plus all the other choice quotes are just “subjective experiences” right? Your subjective experience tells you that godmen are all one way or another, and it happens to be opposite to this other guys subjective experiences that shows his that, indeed, all godmen are as described in their own books and thousands of years of recorded history. Who should we believe? I choose none of you.
“Two ladies with scarves on their heads and Holy prayer beads bowed before him in holy reverence. As he passed by he said, ‘ladies, knock it off.'”
This didn’t happen. There is a picture book of him being bowed to and worshiped by tens of thousands of people. In that same book there is a picture of a family member, Gurinder I believe, touching his feet. He gave “satsangs” constantly with the subject being how best to worship him. He ran an organization dedicated to worshiping him. He sat behind a weird cage and allowed people to bow to him, and bring items for him to bless with his magical touch.
In India, it’s totally normal to bow to and literally worship almost any human being. They don’t even need to be a guru. Walk around Amritsar sometime and you’ll see kids touching the feed and folding their hands in front of a friend’s grandpa. I saw it like a hundred times. They use the expressions like “guest is God” and “we worship our elders” constantly. Anyone who assumes the role of guru accepts that it’s their job to be bowed to and worshiped. Even if they didn’t like it, they wouldn’t tell anyone to stop because it’d be rude.
To say that Charan Singh went against this idea of bowing to gurus is absolutely absurd and the pile of evidence, being RSSB publications and the entire concept of gurudom and satsangs, is more than enough proof.

It is hard to explain,
but very strange that your more hatred is inducing much more love for Him inside me.
And I am much more attached to Him now.
Posted by: One Initiated | October 22, 2019 at 10:53 AM
me:
Yeeees
I have that TOO
Endless into Thought-less < Goose Bumps all over as a start and HE isn't even my Master Even with out Nepal, HE is ALL OVER When seeing THEM I think : God must really be jealous ( tears in my eyes ) Satsangi's I know have that too) So this comment of mine probably cuts the number of "exers" back to 4 . . . . vs 4 Million Yes : God Himself is intoxicated seeing a SatGuru like we have ! OMG . . You poor 🙊 4 777

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“Who should we believe?”
Really, you lost me after that, since you don’t believe anyone. You are not a believer Jesse. It’s not your strength. Go with cynic. You add value doing what you do well. When you ask the question I already know it’s rhetorical.
You wrote
“This didn’t happen. There is a picture book of him being bowed to and worshiped by tens of thousands of people. In that same book there is a picture of a family member, Gurinder I believe, touching his feet. He gave “satsangs” constantly with the subject being how best to worship him. He ran an organization dedicated to worshiping him. He sat behind a weird cage and allowed people to bow to him, and bring items for him to bless with his magical touch.”
No Jesse, it did happen. The women were Westerners. Their obescience wasn’t sincere.
For those who have nothing else to give but their bow, that is sincere. If that is all they can give, it is to be respected with high honor.
But I’m with you that it isn’t brotherhood. We should all be standing side by side.
And yet you don’t believe in brotherhood either.
You like boarder walls, and believe different folks from different cultures shouldn’t try to work together; they should stay separate. You believe that a caste system is already part of our nature, in the evolutionary survival – of – the – fittest, and the bully should be acknowledged and respected; that we should not give refuge to indigent and injured foreigners; and that slavery should never have been outlawed, if I understand you correctly, or at least only babies of undocumented parents should be imprisoned..
Maharaji also said on the tapes,” Sister don’t put me up on a pedestal. I’m just like you… If it were up to me I’d be in the audience with you.”
That’s what we should try to live. That’s the higher truth. And the real Masters are in fact among the others in the audience.
So at different times, and for different people, different expressions.
Some people need a King to believe in God.
But they just become little kings instead of brothers and sisters, so it’s not a great model.
No true Saint takes any authority at all. They are entirely clean of any of this.
‘no one should be called Teacher for you have one teacher and you are all brothers and sisters’

@ 777
Those who have inner experiences, given or forced upon the brain by this or that technique or drug, cannot but be overwhelmed by what they experience.
Others who don’t have these experiences, have nothing that can be compared with what these people experience. For them it is all hearsay the like of a person relating his dream or nightmare. Among them some are gifted with faith that might compensate the lack of experience to a certain extend.
Yes I do believe that the prophet had an experience in which the angel Gabriel appeared and spoke to him. Whether there IS and angel gabriel is not proven by this experience although one can easily understand that it must have a prove to the prophet,
The lord, if there is one could easily have spoken to the rest of the world and tell them to believe what the prophet had to say. As the lord didn’t do so and nobody else was witness of that experience of the prophet what we have is just his word!!

@ Spence
‘no one should be called Teacher for you have one teacher and you are all brothers and sisters’
It all depends whom says it to whom, when and why.
As such this sentence is empty of any meaning or whatever.

Spence referredHi Jesse
You wrote
“Who should we believe?”
He is like Brian and the other two execs a little special
Like stubborn kids who don t want Math
even when u try with apples
I have written might be 10
objective happenings in comments of 100% miracles
When they sense objectivity, . . they close ears & eyes, start yelling like nasty
or autistic nagging kids do
subjectivity they like because they can scold the writer
in last case Sir “ONE”
Ha ha. Oscho lost that title
They just need another birth like me. 🙂
They might be further on the Path
than me, believing, +experiments/experience and not following the vows minus one
77
Guys when u after rebirth meet a good jazz piano player
perhaps is me.
Is a fetish of mine

“Maharaji also said on the tapes, “Sister don’t put me up on a pedestal. I’m just like you… If it were up to me I’d be in the audience with you.””
Yet he had the choice, and didn’t make it. Nobody held a gun to his head and forced him to be a rich guru who had a slave just to carry his massive amount of unnecessary camera equipment around, yet that’s the life he chose.
“No true Saint takes any authority at all. They are entirely clean of any of this. ”
Again with that subjective angle that somehow isn’t subjective at all.

” at least only babies of undocumented parents should be imprisoned.. ”
I’ve told you that the things I support are strictly because the reduce human suffering. You on the other hand support human traffickers and foreign wars as long as they inflate your already bulbous head that is like a hot air balloon full of ego.
You’re also a zionist who literally supports killing as many Arabs as possible to protect your sacred bloodline.
Never talk about morals or anything ever again. You’re not qualified.

“The Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, said Wednesday that “Europe belongs to the Europeans” and that refugees should return to their native countries to rebuild them.”
Yes, the Dalai Lama, someone who first hand suffered from being forced to flee his country thinks that people ultimately have the right to their own homelands, and that refugees should go home and rebuild their own country. WHAT A FUCKING HATEFUL NAZI! Amirite?
It’s funny how the people who most push for wars and forcing people to migrate around the world in pain and misery are zionists, and pedophile human traffickers. There’s a lot of overlap between those two that doesn’t get enough press.
Not making accusations that anyone commenting here is a pedo, just pointing out that they’re some of the main benefactors of destroying entire civilizations and making the citizens flee… into their perverted arms. It’s actually a biblical thing. Moses was told to mercilessly kill everyone except the women and kids, and then grab them up and use them as sex slaves. Great religion.
Ask yourself why you’d want to economically and militarily attack others and make them leave their home and become stateless refugees. What good natured person wants that? How do you justify these sorts of evils if you yourself are not evil?
Listen to the Dalai Lama, folks.

Jesse, people should live where they wish to live. Where you are born means nothing. Where you chose to go, what you make of yourself is everything. No one should stand in your way. Everone should help you to be the best you that you can, so that you find your source of happiness, and take your place in humanity as a contributor wherever you feel right doing so. You are under no obligation to take the burdens of your community, your past leaders or their lousy decisions. Live where you wish to live.

Hi Um
You quoted me….
“‘no one should be called Teacher for you have one teacher and you are all brothers and sisters’
Then you commented…
” It all depends whom says it to whom, when and why.
As such this sentence is empty of any meaning or whatever.”
Yes, the context. Jesus told his disciples that none should be higher than the others, that they should take no authority. This was after he had washed their feet, before his Crucifixion.
He wouldn’t allow them to bow before him. Instead he kneeled low before them, he took off their sandels and washed the dirt from their feet with his bare hands. He was serving them.
This is filled with meaning.
Every successful teacher, parent or leader understands their entire job rests with serving their children, their students, their employees. The more perfectly they do this, the better their children, students and employees develop, and their efforts raise everyone.
But I understand how foreign this is to many people. Humanity survives because in every corner of the globe, there are enough who put themselves beneath their purpose to serve. Their nature is such that this is how they find their most effective work, and their happiness. Not in being great. But in helping silently and invisibly many others to be great.
You can find strains of this philosophy in Sant Mat, but it is greatly diluted and corrupted with the caste system of kings and slaves that is part of RSSB today.

Hi 777
You wrote
“Guys when u after rebirth meet a good jazz piano player
perhaps is me.
Is a fetish of mine”
Have you heard Hirome Uehara? She is sheer genius.
https://youtu.be/VJExqsrZzeA

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“You’re also a zionist…”
No. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this. My parents left Judaism because they were not zionists.I’ve been taught all my life that the true Holy Mountain of Israel is within, and not any real estate on this earth. And that no land is worth shedding blood over, ever. That’s how I was raised. Real estate, physical material wealth is antithetical to and burdensome to spiritual wealth.
You continue to depict my beliefs falsely. But still I like the energy and humor of your rant. But I like it better when you hit your target. When you do, occasionally, it’s like a lightening bolt and on occasion I burst into laughter. On another occasion it was so poignant I burst into tears. So keep going. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And when you are that clock, it is truly amazing.

If the Dalai Lama is right then surely Americans should return to Europe or the lands they originally came from and leave the North American continent to the native Indian population?

Is a fetish of mine”
Have you heard Hirome Uehara? She is sheer genius.
https://youtu.be/VJExqsrZzeA
Posted by: Spence Tepper
me:
OooooH. Yes. She is one of a kind
and so modest
If a sincere satsangi likes her
she cannot go else than S. Khand
That’s how it works -in Quantum Entanglement
– That’s How Love flows -Even love 4doggies –
7

“No. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this. ”
I only said it because you said I support slavery which is obviously as hilarious as it is untrue. If we’re just making things up then I’m gonna keep saying you’re a Zionist cause it obviously offends you.
“Jesse, people should live where they wish to live.”
Georgy Porgy disagrees. He thinks all the Mexicans in Chicago have to go back. Or does he only think the Anglos have to go back? He’s brain dead. Not gonna bother asking him.

Mexicans are displaced Spaniards mixed with indigenous central American Indians.
North Americans are pretty much 90% immigrants, if Trump is so anti immigration he should F. Off back to wherever his 3rd or 4th generation grandpappy originated from, and so should the rest of the home of the brave European immigrants head on back home. (and return all the slaves they brought with them to their rightful domain)

“Jesse, people should live where they wish to live. Where you are born means nothing.”
lmao this is the most Jewish sentence I’ve read in hours.

Trump in Sach Khand: “This place is something terrific, but who are all the foreigners?”

It’s not difficult to explain
Most of us were in crushing love
Music does that TOO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP6oFrfUTQU&fbclid=IwAR1FbT-VJ1lbNxmCKz7CxghXuRGiEc3jTFODHchmRe3qirEBlWus4HEQuFE&app=desktop
They give me Goose Bumps all the time . <3
-
That's what Creation is for :
Giving Goose Bumps to people as much as possible . <3
Next Heaven falls on U automatically
777

Countries and cultures don’t exist. Everyone should be replaced and forced to go extinct. There’s no such thing as an in group unless you’re not if European descent. And history started and ended when white people did bad things.
If something bad happened in the past we should repeat it to prove that we’re moral. Everyone is innocent except white people.
” Liberal” “morality” has become the most self contradictory gibberish of all time. It wasn’t this bad even 20 years ago.
I hope hell is real just so I can watch hypocrites burn.

whodunit, the people we call native Americans came from Asia.
They need to go back so Arabs can build mosques on the reservations.
It’s a human travesty that America accepts more migrants than anyone on earth but the hateful anishinabe won’t open their hearts and allow their land to be taken over.
They also started wars against the early Europeans. They’re truly hateful Asians.
I’m glad you all agree that native Americans need to give up the reservations for the benefit of Infosys.

Everyone keeps migrating since Pa fell off the bus
If you wanna believe Darwin then nobody owns nuthin just a bunch of erect standing hominids hunting and gathering all along the watchtower
So the story goes the Neanderthals interbred with Lucy’s mama but we’re still not exactly sure where did the original Caucasian originate from, was it Sirius or the Pleiades, is that where the blue eyed wunderkind Aryans land on Mt Olympus from?
But now it’s become all about the land. Who owns which corner of Terra Firma because every square inch of the spinning orb has had a flag stuck in the sand of some hue or other, and the areas already been claimed by some Johnny come lately or his brother.
They even have wars to chuck the inhabitants of a place off some far reaches of south sea rocks because the motherland claimed said rock couple hundred years back and stuck their flag in the sand and said this place is mine get thee gone.
Or else they have round table discussion about where to place some displaced extended families, plunk them in the middle of the desert telling them to make hay while the sunshine because sooner or later the original inhabitants going to try blow your ass back across the waters where you came from.
These days you don’t have to traipse across the Bearing Straights on foot carrying your wears and chattel on your back while you hunt and gather along the leeshore crying cockles and mussels alive alive o, you simply hop upon a Boeing and land in Disneyland without even raising a sweat or a care in the world.
Then you writes home to the far flung reaches of your third world hellhole of poverty and iniquity and say looky here mama I’ve arrived at the garden of get rich quick geronimo and I ain’t going back no more no more, no I ain’t going back no more.
To cut a long story short they’re setting their sights on the next spinning rock a hop skip and jump across the night sky and thinking about hitching their starwagon to the star trek enterprise heading west, or is it east or north?
Just in case this mother gonna blow, so let’s get the hell off it before it goes.
And cause deep down inside we realize we are star dust, we are golden, we are million year old carbon, and we gotta get ourselves back to the garden.

Ok, whodunit. Obviously we can abstract all this shit to the point of us being animated dust. But then if we accept that, don’t mention morality of any kind at all, ever, for any reason. Once you accept that we’re all just dirt, then you accept that there is nothing wrong with any actions, no matter how much pain and death it causes the goyim cattle or the chosen or anyone else.
Rape, murder, gas chambers, Muslims driving cars through markets across all of Europe, pedophilia, and all these things are neutral if we’re nothing but electrified fecal matter that moves. So don’t complain if your neighbor breaks into your house and kills your family. He might just say “Spence said everyone has the right to live wherever they want, BITCH! This is MY house too!”

Seeing how individuals debate over to where each must go back to, across America to Asia makes a funny read.
For those who have realised where they came from, are already silently working their way back.

I couldn’t imagine anything more silly than dying for ‘your country’.
80 years (if you lucky) on some arbitrary planet – and ppl are worried about land, countries, nationality, invisible lines in the sand and culture – what nonsense.

Jessie writes,…” Rape, murder, gas chambers, Muslims driving cars through markets across all of Europe, pedophilia, and all these things are neutral if we’re nothing but electrified fecal matter that moves. So don’t complain if your neighbor breaks into your house and kills your family. He might just say “Spence said everyone has the right to live wherever they want, BITCH! This is MY house too!””
ME: That’s why the Liberal Socialists will NEVER be successful in confiscating the billions of guns in Conservative homes. In fact, half of Law abiding Americans that live in the Southern States of the U.S, have legal, “ Conceal Carry Permits”, and don’t even attend Baptist Churches or any other place of worship on Sundays with out having their concealed guns with them, in case Brain washed Lunatics start shooting innocent people at random. The present South in the U.S. has become the old Wild Wild West of the past, where Gun Slingers are Armed, with their guns locked, and loaded.
Jim Sutherland

Trump in Sach Khand: “And heaven (tremedous, tremendous place). Better than the best heaven you ever had. Can you believe it?”

Jim Sutherland, the problem we face is that nobody is willing to use weapons to defend their rights. America has all the weapons but none of the will. If anyone had balls we wouldn’t need weapons anyway. Our entire government would have been deported decades ago.
Communists are arming themselves now as we’ve seen with those armed marches in Texas where everyone was wearing hammer and sickle masks.
I’d guess the armaments are unevenly distributed with the sad loose collective of old Americans we call conservatives having more, but those communists have state protection and won’t be fighting alone.
They’re currently trying to limit what we say and there have been numerous arrests in recent weeks for people saying mean words. Our resident Jewish Supremacist and goyim hater Dungeness believes we should have our doors kicked down by SWAT teams and thrown in jail if we offend her, and so far her team is winning. That’s the future. SWAT teams protecting the feelings of Soviets.
The USA is going the route of Soviet Russia and we’ll all be dead or in a gulag soon. That’s my prediction. I’m leaving the country in a few weeks.

@ spence
>>He wouldn’t allow them to bow before him. Instead he kneeled low before them, he took off their sandels and washed the dirt from their feet with his bare hands. He was serving them.
This is filled with meaning. << Things don't have meaning … meaning is attributed to a thing. Biologists, flower sellers, lovers, artists farmers etc all attribute meaning to a flower in a different way and that is alright. What Christ did, if there was a christ and if he did it, it was something between him and those present, otherwise it has no meaning. All creatures adapt themselves to their surroundings in order to survive. Managers, head of state and teacher do the same .. if the want their goals to be met, they have to take the circumstances from their environment in to consideration. If you want to call that service, that is alright.

@Jessie,…Who’s side do you think the Police is on? What about the National Guard, i.e. . Military, if the protests get like there are in Hong Kong and Lebanon , and even Egypt? Will they back Trump, or the Libtards! A recent Poll reports that 7 out of 10 polled think we are on the Verge of a Civil War. If your leaving the country, where are you going that’s safe, and friendly to Americans? I have traveled 75 other countries since Aug. 2012, and think we still have the best of the best, right here in the good ole USA, which is worth joining the Deplorable’s when the Zombies start policing the streets. The Cops love the fact that Conservatives are armed. Libtards hate the Cops and Military, as well. Most of them hope all of us old White Male Americans will either die soon, and if not, they will help to exterminate us. Old White American Atheist males will not be exempt from extermination, when the Libtard Zombies hit the streets with their Black face masks swinging base ball bats while ducking and dodging bullets fired by the Armed Conservatives. No one is going to protect John Q. Citizen, except Smith & Wesson!
Jim Sutherland

“Who’s side do you think the Police is on? What about the National Guard, i.e. . Military”
They’re mercenaries. They work for whoever pays them.
Look at Portland Oregon where you can watch videos of what would convict most people of attempted murder, and later learn that the victims were arrested and the perpetrators were let go.
Happens all over the country routinely and regularly and the pattern is as clear as day. Left wing activists do not face similar charges for the same crimes as others. How many hundreds of assault charges against Trump supporter charges were dropped? Again you can watch videos of this stuff and read the local news.
Police are not your friend. The military will be turned against the citizenry. This place is toast. The same people who mercilessly slaughtered my ancestors and faced no punishment are doing the same exact things here and they’re laughing about it.

A recent Poll reports that 7 out of 10 polled think we are on the Verge of a Civil War. I
Reality is inverse
They ( Roger Stone c.s. Capone too ), . . They warned against Youtube
banning Alex Jones
No single one moved
Jim , I appreciated your essays I April , bat not of this month
I would be more prudent and avoid hurting
————
I checked somewhat about the moneys given to GOD in the land of the temples
Not only can’t spiritual gifts be re-claimed
but any temple, mosque; gurdwar will refuse to give open-ness about gifts
That is a kind of Hyper-Constitution plus 2nd amendment in the land where the first question I heard always was and is
“Who is your God”
BBJ is right HE didn’t receive a penny for Darshan and the plane isn’t his
In Your long preaching career, JIM, . . . we’re you never compensated ?
A cup of coffee perhaps or some gas
777
I see no harm
Still like yr playing on youtube – Go on. > Concentrate on that
and let’s leave the results to the Lord. and Mrs Kal. 🙂

You guys watch too many Zombie Appocalypse movies.
My favorite is Zombie land.
It’s based on the book “How to survive a zombie Appocolypse.”
I enjoy these with my son from my safe and gun-less home.

Jessie,….I agree with you, …unfortunately. It is now escalating real fast. But the coming Civil war won’t be just the Left against the Right, and Vice Versa. Mercenaries from other countries will be recruited and paid by both sides, same as is presently happening in Hong Kong. In the last Civil War, i.e.. Northern invasion of the South, the South might have won that War, had France sent their Mercenaries, to help the Rebels, as almost happened. It’s gonna be real nasty. But I am on my way out at my age, so unlike you, I don’t have much long term skin left in the Game. I hate to see my Social Security that I, and my past Employers paid In to the program from 1958 to 2011 when I retired dry up, and be used to fund illegals, as Democrats prefer to do, so they can expand their Votes and continue the Careers of sucking the Tax Paying worker slaves dry. Trump keeps saying how great the Military is, but all of the Generals are stabbing him in the back. Unless Trump has Aliens backing him, or Puppet Masters we don’t know about, the Neocons will soon have him in shackles. He has no friends even as RINOS. Of the 75 Countries I have explored, since 2012, if I ever decide to leave the U.S. after the Democrats get back in power, and the U.S. goes Bankrupt because of continued unbridled Migration of illegal invaders, Geneva, Switzerland will be my choice, if I escape. An apartment near Geneva Lake will be a pretty good safe Zone, for America’s that can affirm to escape there.
Jim Sutherland

Hi UM
You wrote
“All creatures adapt themselves to their surroundings in order to survive.”
That is one theory. But with so many beings doing a very uneven job, and all here for but a moment, I don’t think it’s a particularly successful goal.
What Christ did was self – less. His purpose was higher, to help those around him. And to create a standard for all time.
But my point was that this is natural for many.
Survival might require manipulation, subjugation, slavery.
But it might better be served by equality, liberty and fraternity.
To place the welfare of others above our own.

@ Spence
>> To place the welfare of others above our own. << Nobody does Nobody can. There is no need that anybody does. Serving means TWO ….. "I" … SERVE …. SOMEBODY.....

No Jim
Unless you buy> 2;5 M property
Try Norway asap

777 asks Jim,….” In Your long preaching career, JIM, . . . we’re you never compensated ?
A cup of coffee perhaps or some gas”
ME: My Preaching was not my Day Job. It was Seva to the Seeker souls. I did all of my Ministry, not only with out pay, but as a Licensed Minister of The Assemblies of God Denomination, I Rented Buildings for my Evangelistic work, and never took a Salary, and bought my own Literature and paid the Rent! I always GAVE, and never TOOK, like most other Preachers do. Later, as an Ordained Inter-Denomanational Minister, I also never took any Pay or Money. But, my Rewards , if any, will be rewarded when I meet my Master, as any Ministry Accomplishments have not been recorded. My Day Job Career Bio was published by Marquet’s “ Who’s Who In The West”, 1992 Edition. Some one copied it on the Internet. I will try to find it and post the Link. You will notice None of my Ministry is listed.

https://prabook.com/web/james.sutherland/661603

“You guys watch too many Zombie Appocalypse movies.”
Cringe and stupid thing to say, especially from someone who wants infinite sympathy and protection because of ww2.
If what we’re saying sounds like a zombie movie, what does a surface level understanding of human history look like to you? Cause it’s much worse than anything we’re talking about.

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“If what we’re saying sounds like a zombie movie, what does a surface level understanding of human history look like to you? Cause it’s much worse than anything we’re talking about.”
History. It’s mixed. Halcyon days, and days of darkness. And often at the same time. Two separate volumes by two different authors covering much the same periods. These are open log books, so many pages filled with the past and many empty pages for this very hour and the future. Pick the one you will write in. Make your small contribution.

Cringe and stupid thing to say, especially from someone who wants infinite sympathy and protection because of ww2

Except the zombies in ww2 were real and killed millions. The
deniers live on as neo-zombies writing loathsome revisionist
screeds.

“If what we’re saying sounds like a zombie movie, what does a surface level understanding of human history look like to you? Cause it’s much worse than anything we’re talking about.”

To uncover the truth, I think you’ll have to explore that ultimate
zombie-maker the human mind.
“We have met the enemy and he is us.”
–W. Kelly

” I love Baba Ji also.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 23, 2019 at 06:47 PM
Just like a prisoner on the death row loves his executioner huh?
Keep it going Spence. The believers, they all love you too!
Jim Sutherland, you too must love Babaji? BTW interesting entry under ‘ memberships ‘ – Radha Soami Initiate. Would you know what’s the current membership fees one has to pay to join this RS_Initiates_Inc. I hear it’s some super exclusive setup/club.

@Jim
“My Day Job Career Bio was published by Marquet’s “ Who’s Who In The West”, 1992 Edition”
Hi new Jim 4me
That ‘s a whole new perspective after you playing on youtube
I’m touch of a complete zero and relativily a what they call a manmukh to compare
your life story with Gurinder.
The only thing about him via 2 old Ladies in Malaga telling he (before) did the taxi seva of
bringing them to the location weekly : they had to say :
“Gurinder please turn the pop music not so loud”
I liked that
Also that his other seva was cleaning the Satsang floor
Juan here probably will confirm and might add some nice words
Further I and my Lady
have seen HIM in different “radiant” forms
There ar I guess innumerable
but I can now recall 5 radiant forms
There is the strong perception that HE is around you
which happens ONLY if your “you” can handle that
Long ago with Charan I couldn’t , mostly because I felt so filthy compared !
In that case he goes smilingly absent!
A pity because just filthy. – you need HIM most
2)
There is this radiant exposition while you see HIM as a neon lamp
which is the best way to explain because of the fluerece aspect around
This is also the form HE uses at the end of somebody’s physical life
I forget to tell that he is c.q. seems 3 up to 5 meter High with that transparant light
My wife saw ( better : experienced ) that from Charan when her Mother (initiated) died
that light was all around her from head to feet
So special
At that occasion, myself – a day earlier, I ‘saw’ a very important piece
of her former life in the Elzas province here in France
The reason and connection of why she had certain
misfortunes in her that actual life
It was so enlightening
3)
There is the radiant way ( Charan) I got to see in Wiesbaden Germany
which nobody can believe until you have it
Fluid diamonds stream from HIS forehead 360°x360°
which , when it touched another , . . that person changed in transparant GOLD
While it happened, my consciousness was withdrawn up to the eye center ( not higher!)
but another consciousness in me was able to have a thorough conversation
with an American guest , living in Frankfurt, I had asked to join Satsang
It was if I was 2 persons then
I have never seen this from Gurinder
although the 1)-form above
we had seen from Charan too when we were in a wrong Taxi and HE in another taxi, suddenly drove at our left
and I said to our driver “follow that car” and so with the lesser neon light he guided us to the Delhi main station
Our taxi driver was on his way to the wrong station !!
4)
There is quite another radiant form
with strange caractaristics I saw when in Delhi Satsang
and the Master during a severe rain flood/storm, . .
HE was changing in a Lion Face, roaring
and I told that here years ago
4 Lion Faces in 4 directions – And the rain of 70 cm outside
was absolutely NOT on Satsang ground
There must be many Indian Satsangis who can confirm
5)
There is what can happen in meditation. :
a kind of mixture of what I told
and always somewhat else and I think per satsangi completely different
But it is inside and you are between the 6th and the 7th chakra
Thoughts are still active but in an other time-frame
this cannot be understood
It makes one cry
6)
Higher UP
I wanted to tell about that also, . . when thoughts are away
but the Master(s) say
I shouldn’t
So I leave that by saying ; SOUND & LIGHT making a Big Bang a tiny thing
but what I m permitted to repeat :
THE DISCIPLE BECOMES THE MASTER
Literally
The DOER of EVERYTHING
777
💙💦💖💖💖🌞.💦💙

U.S. of A
Is a great country – and an economic miracle – no other country comes remotely close to sheer production efficiency and wealth generation per capita.
But I don’t care so much about that – I like the shoot em up westerns of John Wayne.
BUT it’s a nation of immigrants – probably it’s greatest strength in my opinion – none of the baggage of the old world – yet ain’t it strange how often it’s the immigrants who often most despise (or are fearful of) the next wave of immigrants – human nature is fkd in the head. Too many conspiracy theories. Oh it were better in my day it were – nonsense it’s never been better.

Hey Georgy Porgy,……you must not have Ancesters that immigrated to New York, as my Scottish Ancesters did! Watch the “Gangs of New York” to see how it’s gonna be again after the Guns have been confiscated by the Govt. What goes around, comes back around. Many of these Gang Members have reincarnated back in New York, and are grown up, and have Karmas to balance? Invite your friends to immigrate again to New York!!
https://youtu.be/Ij79LQXZDEk
Jim Sutherland

Johnny Cash…
https://youtu.be/42D6bUta1gs

Hi Jesse
I wasn’t completely forthcoming in my reply above.
The two books are already written. Actually millions. But there are two camps, dark and light. We are each reading the book of our choice and as we read the words, then automatically we think we are actually seeing and hearing for the first time. But we are just reading the script and our mind is doing the rest. So, you pick which book to read from.

Jim if it’s going to be like Gangs of NY, might as well pull up a chair and watch the show with some 🍿.
If there’s a revolution in the air not much you can do except maybe join in or haul ass outa there.
I may sound like a bible beater yelling up a revival at a river crossing camp meeting but that don’t change the truth none, there’s right and there’s wrong. You gotta do one or the other. You do the one and you’re living, you do the other and you may be walking around but you’re dead as a beaver hat.

“BUT it’s a nation of immigrants – probably it’s greatest strength in my opinion”
That’s not your opinion. That’s 2 slogans you’re thoughtlessly repeating. You’re not smart enough to truly form personal opinions.
Americas economy has been going down the drain in perfect lock step with mass 3rd world immigration immigration. Real wages have been stagnant for decades.
Get a clue. Watch China.

Yankee doodle dandies dancing on their own graves

They think they got control when they ain’t got none

I think you’re right Dungeness.
How does that saying go?
“Truth uses Hollywood to pump out hundreds of propaganda films every year, hysterically hyperventilates calling everyone a Nazi, and maniacally pressures and bribes military powers to kill and physically torture those who dare engage in acts of investigation that lead to unwanted conclusions that risk one tribes stranglehold on power…”
Or something like that.
Thank The Mystics for science! So much progress.

It is my opinion. I’ve not heard any such slogan before. It’s a fact. You are a nation of immigrants. Where does your grandpappy come from?
You sure as hell ain’t descended from Comanche tribe – maybe Big Dopey Yanki tribe.
You stole the land of the first people, now you and pres trumpy (a scot like Jim here) complaining that others are stealing ‘your’ land. Wake up. I’m far smarter than you.

My guess is you descended from German stock – never had much of a sense of humour. All a bit too serious and arrogant with a soft spot for war and military music – achtung baby oonzenpappa.

Can someone help me with that adage?
It’s hard to remember.
“Truth refuses to honor extradition treaties because “it ain’t pedophiliac rape if she ain’t one of ours.”
Sounds off.
“Truth intentionally shoots and kills Arab children and nurses on camera, holds national celebrations for shooters, shouts at UN that investigations into the killing of thousands of unarmed children are anti semitic”
Too long.
“Truth violently represses investigation and dictates which evidence can be discussed.”
That might be it.

“Yankee Doodle Dandee”…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HOc9WVZbts
Jim Sutherland

Living in my beloved country Pakistan, seems so much better!!

Yes inzamam, you were one of the greats, unfortunately you ate too many schones and got run out in the semi final.

@injamam,…..Why do so many Pakis immigrate to the U.S. when ever accepted by Legal Immigration? How would you know that Pakistan is a better place to live, than the U.S. unless you were born a Yankee Doodle Dandee? Most of us born in American are mixed breed Mongrels, unlike Pakis, who are really particianed Indian Muslims. But we American Mongrels never leave America and try to sneak across the India/Pakistani Border Searching for better lives. I’ll but AMERICANS , of ALL Mongrel Lineages, would treat you much better, if you legally Emigrated here to America to live, than if any one of us Americans decided to live in Pakistan, and practice our own chosen Religion, and not convert to Islam. We treat our Women as Queens here, whereas Pakis treat their Women as House Hold Pets, and Keep them locked up, and deprived of equal opportunities.
Jim Sutherland

http://www.movetoamerica.expert/10-good-reasons-to-move-to-the-u-s/
Good Advice!
Jim Sutherland

I was greater than them all Ranked only after Allah the Greatest
That runout was worth $10million.😀

This is an anonymous author known as Bronze Age Pervert responding to a review of his book, but it explains very well many of the social and political phenomena happening in western societies that seem to be confusing to almost everyone older than 30.
It’s worth reading if you are perplexed by dark things and strange memes you see online.
https://americanmind.org/essays/americas-delusional-elite-is-done/

@JIM
“””What are the “crazy Pepe frog people” online all about? The terms “altright” and “altleft”. “””
me:
What you think Jesus was
777

“”””. How the brain fools us into believing consciousness is immaterial. “”””
Let’s start with an ant, an amoebe, . . gravity, magnetism
What an arrogance to write this book
🙏🌺🌈 🙏🌺🌈 🙏🌺🌈 🙏🌺🌈 This is How it works :
What would an All Powerful Being, (God)
( pls assume a few minutes), . . .
beyond time, Self Existing, rather powerful,
possessing everything , . . still need? Yes. NEED . . .
LOVE is the answer, one can never have enough of that.
So S/HE does anything imaginable & un-imaginable
and each resulting quantum or being will transform in LOVE
Via Karma(s) it may take long ( many many Big Bangs)
or just flashed ( in a nanosecond)
In All Cases. : the result is fantastic!
You ( Reader here ) are HIM / HER 🌺🌺.🌺 That’s what this book denies
Even if one Soul per Galaxy succeeds p. year , this is a Giant Stream
and that’ only for this little universe
of Love
Please ask the Google 27 Qubits or
AI_20/500QUBIT IBM Quantum Computer – It will confirm.
Even a stone will transform in Love
can take some time ( or not, . . .
There is just no other place to go!
🙏🌺🌈

🌺🌺.🌺. Consciousness 🌺🌺.🌺 a.k.a. 777,
Am sure you managed this through only after a struggle just like how the believers struggle with their meditation. Try and fail, try and fail and then suddenly try and succeed.
Keep posting my friend.

*Beautiful…*
*A person started to walk on a rope tied between two tall towers at several hundred feet above the ground. He is slowly walking balancing a long stick in his hands. He has his son sitting on his shoulders.*
*Everyone down were watching him in bated breath and were tensed. He slowly reached the second tower. Everyone clapped, whistled and welcomed him. They shook hands and took selfies.*
*He asked the crowd “do you all think I can walk back on the same rope now from this side to that side?”. Crowd shouted “Yes, Yes, you can”. Do you trust me he asked. They said yes, yes we are ready to bet on you.*
*He said okay, can any one of you sit on my shoulder; I will take you to the other side safely.*
*Everyone became quiet. There was stunned silence.*
*Belief is different. Trust is different. For Trust you need total surrender.*
We believe in God. But we don’t trust Him.
***************————-****************————**************
Happy Diwali to you all. BE THE LIGHT!

Happy Diwali… to those so inclined!! 🙂
I’ve read a fair few books and texts on mysticism and spiritual practice, both well known and obscure, from the east and the west, across most if not all traditions. There is I would think very few well known texts, for example, that I have not read.
For the past few years, perhaps 10 or so, I’ve more or less lost interest in those, preferring instead to read somewhat more “out there” and contemporary metaphysical texts than from those from the traditional schools.
However, that said, I have recently read two books by the same author, Christopher D. Wallace, which I have to say are probably, at this point in my life, the “best” books in a “traditional” sense, I have ever read on spirituality, enlightenment, liberation or whatever you want to call it:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Recognition-Sutras-Illuminating-000-year-old-masterpiece/dp/098976138X
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tantra-Illuminated-Philosophy-Practice-Tradition/dp/0989761304
Everyone’s mileage varies and I have no idea how these books would read to others, or even myself say 30, 25, 20, 15 or even 5 years ago. But to me, now, I find these books to be a profoundly deep and accurate representation, or “teaching”, of my own current state. The wisdom, insight and informative teaching or pointers it provides, I feel, are completely sublime and grounded in immense insight and experience. Or at least it feels that way to me. If I was ever to write a book (which I won’t, as I’m too lazy 🙂 to help subtly guide others (not heavy on actual “practices”, which are countless in numerous traditions, and equally valid) into a state of exquisite, ecstatic, perpetually mysterious awe, grace etc, it would be precisely as written in these books. Or, should I say, I wish I would be able to get it anywhere near as eloquently and succinctly described as in these books.
For those here still inclined to an interest/passion/overwhelming desire for these subjects, and no religious aversion to alternative thoughts, I would highly recommend reading these books.
Peace.

Consciousness 🌺🌺.🌺 a.k.a. 777,
Am sure you managed this through only after a struggle just like how the believers struggle with their meditation. Try and fail, try and fail and then suddenly try and succeed. Keep posting my friend. Posted by: SP | October 26, 2019 at 10:59 PM
me:
Very nice of you and the word SUDDENLY is very well chosen
It seems such a difficult item when I speak of “no thoughts”
but again : it happens after a kind of explosion of Love
and a child knows what I mean
The regular Simran is so under-estimated and THAT during 24/7 is easy to do
for a willing
Vertebrae automatically is stretched enormously
And when it happens One , two or 3 times
in your life it’s unforgettable
You really can do a normal life and a kind of another body does the spiritual
and it will not be that U end to be a sinner
Let’s say :
“Sinners judge Sinners on Other sins” – best is not Judge about achievements ( GIFTS) too !
I still very much appreciate your thoughts
The most apocalyptic for a Jeeva is do harm in whatever way !

Stop talking intellectual crap trap. We dont know if god exists.
No one knows crap. All I have read is Harry Potter stories on here. Get a life

@Arjuna
As I said
To know that SHE. exist. is not very difficult.💥

Jim,
Is the great USofA mourning the demise of the“austere religious scholar” ?
Cheers

@injamam,…..Why do so many Pakis immigrate to the U.S. when ever accepted by Legal Immigration? How would you know that Pakistan is a better place to live, than the U.S. unless you were born a Yankee Doodle Dandee? Most of us born in American are mixed breed Mongrels, unlike Pakis, who are really particianed Indian Muslims. But we American Mongrels never leave America and try to sneak across the India/Pakistani Border Searching for better lives. I’ll but AMERICANS , of ALL Mongrel Lineages, would treat you much better, if you legally Emigrated here to America to live, than if any one of us Americans decided to live in Pakistan, and practice our own chosen Religion, and not convert to Islam. We treat our Women as Queens here, whereas Pakis treat their Women as House Hold Pets, and Keep them locked up, and deprived of equal opportunities.
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | October 26, 2019 at 05:42 AM
How do i know Pakistan is better? It’s the best actually for its the chosen land of Allah the Greatest.
Immigration, see how well we have camoufladed our creeping acquisition as immigration – LoL
Mixed breed mongrel: na na. Shouldn’t it be just mongrels?
Anyways on the rest…. Stop being jealous of us. Just remember we are a peace loving welcoming lot and Pakistan is the place to come to especially for all disillusioned yankees

@Arjuna
As I said
To know that SHE. exist. is not very difficult.💥
Posted by: 💥 | October 27, 2019 at 05:11 PM
And yet almost impossible for many.

If ever you’ve said that your path is to accept and love everything, and that nothing is good or bad, I request that you thank me a million times.
Were it not for someone like me belittling all of your beliefs and insulting your ego, you’d have no idea if you’d made any progress at all.
Like the superstar at the local basketball court who thinks he’s the best until one day he realizes he’s been playing on an 8 foot rim and all his opponents were letting him win.

Inzamam writes,…” Anyways on the rest…. Stop being jealous of us. Just remember we are a peace loving welcoming lot and Pakistan is the place to come to especially for all disillusioned yankees”
ME. No ONE is jealous of Pakis, out side of Pakistan. You are imagining things., Modi and Indians sure are not jealous of Pakis, and if antagonized much more in Kashmir, they might kick some more Paki Butts. A couple of years ago, I sat with the Indians in the bleachers cheering the Indian Soldiers who were challenging the Paki Boy Scouts on the other side of the Border Wall, who were trying to act tough. Paki soldiers are Boy Scouts, in Soldier’s uniforms, as Allah is a fake RADHASOAMI in Muslim territories. HaHa.
Jim Sutherland

Yep inzamam was one of the greatest of all time. Swallowed all of warnie’s Biscuits tho.

@a wise 🦉, @SP ,@Arjuna, @Inzamam-ul-haq, @jim,
@alll ….not Jesse
In gmyformer life I lived in now Pakistan
but that’s not the point now
This helps to hear The Sweet & Holy Anahabad Shabad
Do the Holy package💥, don’t hesitate
Go to a silent place, important
Try to make as silent as u can
Now eliminate° with your mind💥 the noises that still are there
and of which you know the cause for sure
One after the other
It’s really like being in a silent wood and U lost direction
NOW TRY TO HAVE COMPLETE SILENCE
It is impossible !
But after that elimination°.💥
There might be one that you cannot analyse
It might be Shabd, Your here so despised Soul
unattended for eons
Put , even RAPP the Holy Words around that – do 5 or 10 minutes
Next day again
10 times a day is nice too
If you are a karma lucky one
you might find it
Praying helps ( Allah is OK )
With the 5 words You can do modulation like a guitar player
but He cannot jump IN the Guitar
and WE really can
Try to not think a little -the words will help
Just trying help
777
You will find out if what U hear was always there
Any person present on a 7 chakra system can do this
but the word package is a n excellent checker

“In gmyformer life I lived in now Pakistan
but that’s not the point now”
Aren’t you like 80? You must’ve lived in Pakistan before it was Pakistan.
For the first 30 years there were sort of 2 Pakistans as well. Would you know which one you inhabited?
Maybe past life memory is just really vague. Either that or you’re telling tall tales.

@Jesse
It”s mostly told by The Master
but it includes flashes , lmore sharp than a remembered vacation
I’m almost 83 ( now , not then ). and I died far before the separation in 1947
I Left my sister there “alone” , we had wallnuts orchyard
At separation then my sister ( now my wife ) was raped, burned & killed.
She remembers that Sawan then placed Himself between the agressors
and herself and She was not affected by what happened
She knows a lot more because she talks like daily with Charan
like many many of His Disciples
Both our lives before; that one was in now India
and I was a hard murderer like the Halliburton guys now , me working for the English
but I told all that extensively in this blog
777

Hi 777
Yes I was British too in my past life. An accountant working in a shipyard.
Nothing to write home about.

I was Indra in my past life and I don’t remember any of you clowns being on earth. The last time I remember seeing you in the past 20,000 earth years you were little bugs on other planets in completely different universes.
Not sure who you’ve hired to do your past life regressions, but you’re getting wrong info that sounds more like things you’re familiar with, and not so much like your true past lives.
For a few thousand dollars I can reveal the truth about your origins, not the falsehoods that you’ve conjured up in your own mind.

ME. No ONE is jealous of Pakis, out side of Pakistan. You are imagining things., Modi and Indians sure are not jealous of Pakis, and if antagonized much more in Kashmir, they might kick some more Paki Butts. A couple of years ago, I sat with the Indians in the bleachers cheering the Indian Soldiers who were challenging the Paki Boy Scouts on the other side of the Border Wall, who were trying to act tough. Paki soldiers are Boy Scouts, in Soldier’s uniforms, as Allah is a fake RADHASOAMI in Muslim territories. HaHa.
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | October 28, 2019 at 09:26 AM
Simple truths is all i state Jim.
Modi and Indians only good at their fake nationalism. Kashmir is ours and we will reclaim it for so is Allah the Greatest diktat.
Wagah border is just theater. No need to send our biggies for some drama.
And hey if it were not for that RADHASOAMI, Delhi is to where our boundaries would be to in 1947. Such was the power of our founder Jinnah’s guru.
So choose your words carefully about this RADHASOAMI lest his strike immortalizes you to burn in hell.

For a few thousand dollars I can reveal the truth about your origins, not the falsehoods that you’ve conjured up in your own mind.

Oh, Lord Indra Ji, bring your light to the blog. Show jiva’s the
error of their conjuring ways.
The only thing is… we;ve been fleeced so many times already.
Wiil you accept a “love offering” in the donation box?

Thanks Dungeness, but love is best expressed financially.

Indra : adulterous, drunken, and known for his hedonistic ways. Supposedly the King of Heavens (just a position) who often couldn’t defend the heavens he presided over and sought help of Lord Vishnu. Someone who isn’t worshipped by Hindus (suprise suprise) and ofcourse who feared mortal meditating Hindu monks.
And yes being one of the 33 devas (minor god’s), doesnt carry with it the privilege of being able to see the past and future.
Try again Jesse.
Hint: pick one of the trinity or their avatar.

“Indra : adulterous, drunken, and known for his hedonistic ways.”
You’re pretending to be against this? Women probably loathe you.
The hedonism is what makes me so great. Not bogged down with moral bs.
I spent a million years drinking soma and chilling. Vishnu Narayana blah blah blah. Indra is, was and always will be the king of heaven. Can’t wait to be him again.

–
Statement
The God of Gods wants for You ( HimHerSelf_in_You ) only Pleasure, Fun, Sweet Excitement
and more and All That All the Time each second , All the time & non time
777

“Someone who isn’t worshipped by Hindus”
This is super insulting to Nepalis and others who still practice Vedic as opposed to vedic Dharma.
I demand that you retract your statement “cocky me”. This is Dungeness and her tribes world now and speech perceived to be hateful is punishable by lengthy prison sentence.
Do NOT engage in free speech that hurts my feelings.

“This is super insulting to Nepalis and others who still practice Vedic as opposed to vedic Dharma.”
Shaiv with Pashupath sect and Shakti in Nepal.
Your ignorance is pardoned.
The King of Heaven struggles to feature in top 10.
Important one knows what one can at best be / aspire to be. Indra it is for you. THE ONE it is for a few in here.
Good to know your preference to have an Immoral life. Yet sermons on life to be led by Masters/Gurus. Never had doubts of your sham.

I demand that you retract your statement “cocky me”. This is Dungeness and her tribes world now and speech perceived to be hateful is punishable by lengthy prison sentence.

No, no, Jesse. I only object to the more loathsome remarks such as a
Sept 14 comment that “many people were killed in ww2 but none of
them died in gas chambers”.
By the way, although I don’t agree with criminalizing contemptible
revisionist lies like that, they are dangerous and are in fact illegal in
17 countries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

Because of what you wrote, I must conclude that what I’ve written about Gurinder is from a very far distance, based on information I can’t actually test, and is more likely inaccurate.
It is more important to learn than to conclude.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 27, 2019 at 08:21 AM
No Spence. In your very own words what you have written about GSD is based on facts and not based on information!!!!!!
I hope this doesn’t mean you will stop your repetitive rants ooops posts about GSD’s guilt. You can’t turn and be cruel to believers by stopping.

Statement
The God of Gods wants for You ( HimHerSelf_in_You ) only Pleasure, Fun, Sweet Excitement
and more and All That All the Time each second , All the time & non time
777
Posted by: 💚💚💚.💦💖💦.💚💚💚 | October 29, 2019 at 12:16 PM
What the God of Gods affords is a chance to be HIM.
Some fritter it wanting to be the lowly Indras. Others even worse.
Thats the way the 🍪 crumbles.

@Dungeness There is nothing dangerous in scrutinising any historical event to see whether it actually happened in the way currently taught or even to check if it happened at all.
Truth fears no investigation. It’s not illegal for me to contradict any matter of historical record…apart from that one.
This fact alone tells me all I need to know. It seems that once TV-addled boomers are gone there will be nobody left anywhere who believes what you want them to. That might be problematic for some but not for me.

“although I don’t agree with criminalizing contemptible
revisionist lies like that ”
Go look through your own comments. You said you believed those who denied your ever morphing myths should be jailed.
Its funny how contemptibly limited your vocabulary becomes, too.
It’s like you’ve been given a recruitment script to read from or a protest manual. “Stick to repetitive emotional words and accusations.”
“Loathsome! Contemptible! Revisionism! Loathsome revisionist of the contemptible kind! ”
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/10/the-six-million-figure-another-holocaust-lie-and-the-lying-liars-who-enable-it/

@PJ: Dungeness There is nothing dangerous in scrutinising any historical event to see whether it actually happened in the way currently taught or even to check if it happened at all.

I didn’t say there was any harm in scrutinizing… only in repeating
the contemptible historical lie “no one died in gas chambers.
Read more closely.

Go look through your own comments. You said you believed those who denied your ever morphing myths should be jailed.

That’s another lie, Jesse. I have never said anyone should be
jailed for denying my “morphing myths”. Please provide an
exact citation for this allegation.

Dear Jesse,
Is it that you think Israel controls our government? I always thought US support of Israel comes in large part because of evangelical Christians’ hunger for the Apocalypse and the second coming of Christ. It can’t happen until the Temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem (the Third Temple). That’s why Jerusalem and the Temple Mount are such hot potatoes…
https://www.indy100.com/article/president-donald-trump-jerusalem-israel-capital-tel-aviv-evangelicals-apocalypse-third-temple-theory-8096596
I suppose it’s also why many Christian conservatives ignore climate change or attribute global warming to God instead of Man. The End of Days kicks off with fire. Revelation 8:7 “The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.”

I’m almost 100% certain you said that America should do what Europe does and criminalize “revisionism” aka disliked research.
Maybe I’m wrong (probably not).
Not gonna go read a thousand comments to find it though.
The problem with strategies against speech is that they’re eventually going to be used against the initiator of the censorship. It’s really short sighted.
People naturally react and respond to taboos in unpleasant ways. The 21st century is gonna be so weird.

“Is it that you think Israel controls our government?”
I think it’s an unhealthy codependent relationship and both sides willingly participate. But it would be dishonest to pretend like Israeli lobbying in USA hasn’t had an overwhelming effect on our domestic laws and even culture, and that our wars have been to benefit them at the expense of American lives.
Evangelicals are a completely uninfluential group in America who are trotted out as some kind of red herring distraction.
All 3 religions we call Abrahamic have near identical eschatological stances. There’s nothing unique about Evangelicals in that respect. Go find that video of that huge chabad lubavitch rabbi telling netenyahu to do everything he can to bring back the messiah. Then go watch Corey Gil Shyster interviewing the hassids who tell him that all the goyim will be their slaves when moshiach returns. Muslims have similar concepts with their hope for a caliphate or the return of the mahdi.
None of these things are hard to find, though YouTube now officially censors anything and everything the ADL mafia tells them to so you gotta make more effort.

“Evangelicals are a completely uninfluential group in America”
The numbers would seem to tell a different story…
Pew Research Center:
70% of Americans are Christian, 25% evangelical. Jews 1.9% LOL
https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/
Gallup:
41% of Americans evangelical.
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/235208/things-know-evangelicals-america.aspx
“Three-quarters (75%) of white voters who describe themselves as evangelical or born-again Christians (a group that includes Protestants, Catholics and members of other faiths) voted for Republican House candidates in 2018, according to National Election Pool (NEP) exit poll data reported by NBC News.”
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/07/how-religious-groups-voted-in-the-midterm-elections/

Israel spends a lot on US lobbying, but South Korea, Japan and the UAE each spend more. Go figure. Secret international cabals of Korean Jews, Japanese Jews and Arab Jews.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/08/foreign-interests-fara-lobby-watch-exclusive/

“The numbers would seem to tell a different story…”
I’m sorry but I’m not able to even imagine being as stupid as you.
Population numbers in absolutely no way correlate with power. If they did we’d expect Africa to be the richest continent without any competition and the poor to rule every country on earth.
Don’t even talk to me. I can’t stand non thinkers.
Koreans lobby too? Oh well that means…. absolutely nothing. They’re obviously not as effective.
I hate stupid people and want them to perish.

Can anyone tell me what the Korean equivalent to the ADL is and how many thousands of twitter, YouTube and Facebook accounts they’ve had illegally banned for insulting Korea? Any police investigations going on for the non crime of “anti asianism” that you know of?
Has America allowed South Korea to steal any of our military secrets and sell them to China? Any dual citizens of Korea in our Congress who have said they support Korea first?
Did Nancy Pelosi say that if DC were to be destroyed her one priority would be America, Korea or Israel?
If you answered anything other than Israel, you’re disabled, uninformed, inundated with propaganda or all of the above.

How many spying devices has Japan, or Korea planted in our capitol city to spy on our president, while being let off with not only no punishment, but not even a discussion or some kind of verbal reprimanding after being caught?
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/spying-us/2019/09/12/id/932312/
“but Saudi Arabia did bad things, too!”
Are you aware of the recently declassified documents on the “dancing Israelis” from 9/11? I guess they didn’t need to be of an ethnic group comprising more than 1.9% of the US population to know about the Twin Towers attacks beforehand did they, Anami?!?!?!
Why it wasn’t one of the 900 trillion Africans on earth who had foreknowledge of this terror attack we’ll never know. A mystery of the gods, I suppose. Questioning would be wrong, hateful, revisionist, loathsome, and dare I say a thousand times, contemptible.
The mystics taught on thing, and one thing only- Never ask questions about foreign intelligence agencies celebrating the deaths of thousands of your citizens in an intentionally ignited inferno, unless of course you want to be jailed like a European question-asking NAZI.
Funny how the news sorta skipped over what is one of the biggest stories in the country’s history, innit? Coincidental, I’m sure, but funny nonetheless.

Detective Jessie writes,……” Are you aware of the recently declassified documents on the “dancing Israelis” from 9/11? I guess they didn’t need to be of an ethnic group comprising more than 1.9% of the US population to know about the Twin Towers attacks beforehand did they, Anami?!?!?!”
Me: No doubt, the U.S. is a Subsidiary of Israel, and deep pocket Supplier of Mercenaries
to fight against Arabs who are Muslims educated to hate Jews and a Americans. The U.S. has been used by Jews to protect Israel against Muslim Arabs who hate Americans as well as Jews. But the majority of dumb downed ignorant Mongel Americans with I.Q.s less than 100 NEED High I.Q. Jews to keep America great, before ignorant low I.Q. Democrats allow America to become another shitole low I.Q. Country. Jews are the most Intelligent Species on the Planet. At least , they don’t behead their Cattle ( non-Jews) while they are using them, as Muslims do to Infidels. The United States is actually the Capital of Israel. Sure better than being the Capital of Iran! Get over it,

“Sure better than being the Capital of Iran! ”
I’d much prefer we were aligned with Iran. They’re an actually ancient culture with great aesthetics.

To Manjit and any others who maybe interested:
“In the Tantrik view, each of us is a complete expression of the energy of consciousness. Each of us is a perfect movement in its endless dance of self-exploration self-realisation, and self-love. Let us then celebrate the fact that the opportunity has been given us to become aware of what we are. Our awakening to our true nature is integral to the energy of life and instrumental to its unfolding. Whether you can sense it right now or not, you long to awaken to your total being, and by so doing to fall in love with the whole of reality, which is nothing but an expression of your own Self….”
From Christopher Wallis – The Recognition Sutras, intro p.11.
If this is not a cool take on the ‘What is’ , then what is?
Marjorie Woollacott mentions the same at the end of her book ‘Infinite Awareness – The Awakening of a Scientific Mind’ -‘Pratyabhijna – hrdayan’ – The Heart of Recognition.
A useful, practical Buddhist take that compliments this stuff imo, is Rodney Smith’s ‘Awakening – A Paradigm Shift of the Heart’.
Best wishes to all.

Actually this is one of the best Periods of Time
to do Seth Shiv Dayal’s method :
to try hear the Sound and become the Sound
All other striving + analysing is futile
777

Sure better than being the Capital of Iran! Get over it,
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | October 31, 2019 at 03:33 AM
I expect IQ<75 trump in sheer despair now will come up
with the Protocols and 9/11 ,Deutsche Bank, Gondalizza,
Norad Command Generals , 52 confiscated Pentagon videos
Alien technology to cut 2 feet thick steel beams and that 190 times
plus a non touched building, Runsfeldt 3,3 Trillion
and explain why 5G will erase the human race (genes)
regardless jared
plus fbi_bush who killed JFK and was gone away with it
and SO much more , telling Congress to check that first

–“How many spying devices has Japan, or Korea planted in our capitol city to spy on our president, while being let off with not only no punishment, but not even a discussion or some kind of verbal reprimanding after being caught?”
Our president was concerned least of all…
Trump: “I don’t think the Israelis are spying on us; I really would find that hard to believe. My relationship with Israel has been great.”
https://www.mintpressnews.com/trump-brushes-israel-dragnet-spying-of-d-c-under-the-rug/261913/
–“dancing Israelis”
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Mossad knew of 9/11 ahead of time, or the Bush administration for that matter. Any excuse to go after Saddam Hussein and work out their daddy issues, damn the expense in American blood and treasure!
Israel lobbies the US in the hundreds of millions of dollars, but the US supports Israel to the tune of $3 billion a year in foreign aid. Why? To serve “US interests”…
2017: https://amp.businessinsider.com/us-israel-allies-2017-2
Some of those interests have been nefarious…
2002:
https://ips-dc.org/why_the_us_supports_israel/
So who’s buying who and for what?

Without the Jews : no Jazz !
So, that makes me quite bias
But the high IQ circulair (in-direct) funding of Representatives who then maintain that 3Milliard support
and if not the opponent is financially supported is almost funny
1% of the 3M. is used to have the 3M next year
Who has invented that?
7and half
and in Which other country this is copied?. 🙂
Aaaah. Russia tried but got the Magninski Act . . . instead. 🙂

Osho Raneesh tried such in Oregon to buy a village
Not Salem , I trust!
7

Yip whenever one of these nutters says the holocaust didn’t happen or no one died in the gas chambers – you know they not operating with a full deck.
I figure most of the conspiracy theorists are somewhere on the autistic spectrum tapping away crap in their rods.
If these ‘atheists’ are supposed to be the voice of rationality, gd help us all.

If karma is the basic law of the universe (not the new testament’s forgive and forget),
Posted by: Georgy Porgy | November 01, 2019 at 12:59 AM
Georgy
Love is the basic of all universes
Karma. is , when Love is denied . . . totally or partial
Just don”t hurt is a good idea
Saints cannot be hurt. (. . . . so. . . . )
So strange that people forget to talk about GOOD KARMA
Myself. I am rather pissed off by that ‘audio-deck’ , knowing the corrupt scandalous import taxes of 350%+fraud
I was there 4 times and the ‘illegal’ stuff I did brought me NO Karma
On the contrary
India was a province of the USSR almost
Everything depends on the Love –
Love can totally change the whole universe in a nano second
Karma is static – Love is Dynamic
Love IS the Creator
We will be Love sooner or later
The moment the kid gives his first penny to a needy SHE is there, singing HalleluJA
💥. WITH HIS SONG !!! 💥
So happy I am, my Master c. q. RSSB got a quality audio device
in the 74th when we were there
When I meet that story teller guy I would like to beat him harder than Osho got
Exzeq have great difficulties to confirm that they are right stopping meditations
and one way is :Shooting the Holy Messenger 💥
Stop Thinking and you know a lot
as opposed to nothing
777

Deep Sleep is important… Your cerebrospinal fluid gives your brain a cleansing bath….
https://www.wired.com/story/scientists-now-know-how-sleep-cleans-toxins-from-the-brain/amp

Man Who Avocated Caning for Adultery Gets Caned for Adultery
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/01/asia/indonesia-adultery-caning-scli-intl/index.html

I still completely agree with that view of karma. But I no longer believe that karma extends across multiple lives through reincarnation, because there is no demonstrable evidence of this.
Posted by: Brian Hines | November 01, 2019 at 01:39 PM
So the blind born baby and then burned because it’s in California
You think now the baby had just bad luck ?
777

So amazing low IQ reasoning
https://churchofthechurchless.com/2019/11/life-is-a-matter-of-material-chance-not-divine-dispensation
No individual can approach the Maker then
through (encapsulated in) one who is already there
Further
each line is as astonishing as 1*0 being One
Pity Brian will not see the 50Qubits at work
777

1x 0 = 0
But 1 / 0 = infinity…larger and greater than any measurable thing.
Solve the mystery…
Why isn’t 1 / 0 simply 1?
Taking one and dividing it into zero parts yields the infinite!
But only 1/1 =1.
Solve the mystery 7.
…..
…..
Stumped?
If you can define the One as one single thing, you have one.
But if you put aside all your definitions and descriptions… If you have zero definitions… Then one becomes the infinite…
Understand what Brian Ji is doing…..
“I’m not carving an elephant! I’m removing everything from this block of marble that isn’t the elephant. All that will be left is elephant.”
– Michelangelo

Further each line is as astonishing as 1*0 being One
— 1x 0 = 0
— But 1 / 0 = infinity…larger and greater than any measurable thing.

I think the * may have been a typo intended to signify “to the power of”.
Typically it’s expressed as a double asterisk (or sometimes as a caret
although not computationally)
eg, 1**0 = 1, 7**0 =1, 5^0 =1, etc.
Any number to the power of zero is one.

Hi Dungeness
N^0=1
Without an exponential value reduced to zero, any single number is reduced to 1.
Doesn’t matter how great that number thinks it is.
6,000 crore ^0 =1
Where there is no more power to raise anyone, whatever they thought they were becomes only a single value.
What is the difference between 1 rupee ^0 and 6,000 crore rupee ^0?
None.

^ I use to the power of
° like in a spreadsheet multiply
So my point is/was
How can one say There is nothing
next multiply that ‘nothing’ 100 times
Brian – against all science believes : an aplle, a star. a rose
BTW:
GDS is innocent and I said already why!
Follow Phii’s 10M $ , next add interest
I hope BbJ has the very old papers at hand
HE owes no penny
but the brothers owe a lot more to HIM/RSSB
Some witnesses are still alive
and will if needed give sworn affidavits
Most are to old for travelling
Mohan hadn’t that 6 figures money around 1991 !
777
PS
MaharaJa Amarinder’s grand grand grand father
was initiated by Swami Ji Seth Shiv Dayal via Baratpur near Agra
where His also initiated Sister was married with MaharaJa Jaswant Singh.

Correction >>>. 8 figures.
7

Where there is no more power to raise anyone, whatever they thought they were becomes only a single value

I think that was X‘s point. One is left with only
his one-ness when there’s a power outage 😉

My point was simply that raising something of no true value above yourself, believing it to be infinite in power, when in fact it is zero, reduces what you had gained to the smallest unit.

1x 0 = 0
But 1 / 0 = infinity…larger and greater than any measurable thing.
Solve the mystery…
Why isn’t 1 / 0 simply 1?
Taking one and dividing it into zero parts yields the infinite!
But only 1/1 =1.
Solve the mystery 7.
…..
…..
Stumped?
If you can define the One as one single thing, you have one.
But if you put aside all your definitions and descriptions… If you have zero definitions… Then one becomes the infinite…
Understand what Brian Ji is doing…..
“I’m not carving an elephant! I’m removing everything from this block of marble that isn’t the elephant. All that will be left is elephant.”
– Michelangelo
Posted by: Spence Tepper | November 04, 2019 at 11:02 AM
Spence,
Amazing use of mathematics. Eye opener actually for me for you just busted a long held notion (flawed definitely in hindsight after your clarification) that 1/0 or a number divided by 0 yields ‘UNDEFINED’
So,
1) would 0^0 be equal to one and 0 / 0 be infinite?
2) is 1 = 2 as per below
Let 1 = x.
Multiply by x to get
x = x^2
Subtract 1 from each side to get
x -1 = x^2 – 1
Divide both sides by x − 1
which simplifies to
1=x+1
But, since x = 1,
1=1+1=2
So
1 = 2
3) I had planned to distribute $1million as bonus amongst my 20 staff so that each got $50k. Now gonna distribute this amongst zero (employees). Because then $1mln divided over 0 (employees) would yield me infinite $.
Thanks once again Spence
You also said “But only 1/1 =1.”
So In generalised terms x/x = x
So 2/2 =2, 3/3=3 and so on is it?? and if not what is 2/2 or 3/3?? Can’t be 1 for as you said only 1/1 = 1
Sleep well Spence.

HE is above time,
NO TIME AT ALL
Stop the thoughts and U understand that
777

Hi SP
You wrote
“Eye opener actually for me for you just busted a long held notion (flawed definitely in hindsight after your clarification) that 1/0 or a number divided by 0 yields ‘UNDEFINED'”
Infinite is undefined, SP. As the denominator gets smaller and smaller the numerator rises, and with each incremental decrease in the denominator, the size of the result grows at an accelerating pace.
1/.5= 2
1/.4= 2.5
1/.3= 3.33
A decrease of just 0.1, in the second example, raises the resulting value 0.5. A 500% increase.
A further decrease of another 0.1 in the third example raises the resulting value by 1.83, an increase of over 1800%!
As the denominator approaches zero, the resulting value expands at an accelerating rate to a value that approaches the infinite… Cannot be measured, greater than any defined number. That’s infinite.
Hope that helps.
Your questions.
1)”would 0^0 be equal to one and 0 / 0 be infinite?”
Zero is not a value (a real number) and cannot be divided.
2) You wrote, “Multiply by x to get
x = x^2”
But you aren’t multiplying by two here but raising x to the power of two.
3) See 1 above. Be happy you don’t have part time employees!
4) Yes n/n =1…Any number divided by itself is reduced to the lowest whole value.
What we do to ourselves can reduce us to that lowest whole value.
But again, raising something of zero value above ourselves will accomplish the same thing…. n^0 = 1

My point was simply that raising something of no true value above yourself, believing it to be infinite in power, when in fact it is zero, reduces what you had gained to the smallest unit.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | November 04, 2019 at 07:19 PM
What a wonderful notion. What is the gain to begin with? Which then stands reduced to the smallest unit

“Eye opener actually for me for you just busted a long held notion (flawed definitely in hindsight after your clarification) that 1/0 or a number divided by 0 yields ‘UNDEFINED'”
Infinite is undefined, SP.

Strictly speaking in mathematics, that’s not accurate. But, the
explanation will make your head hurt.

1)”would 0^0 be equal to one and 0 / 0 be infinite?”
Zero is not a value (a real number) and cannot be divided.

Again in the strict mathematical sense, zero is a “real”” number.
It just doesn’t behave like other real numbers.
But, I think mathematically 0^0 and 0/0 are considered to be
“indeterminate”. I notice computer computations yield 1 for
0^0 and “Illegal division by 0” for 0/0 though. I told you your
head would start to hurt!

2) You wrote, “Multiply by x to get
x = x^2”
But you aren’t multiplying by two here but raising x to the power of two.

The original question involves some chicanery:

“Subtract 1 from each side to get x -1 = x^2 – 1
Divide both sides by x − 1 which simplifies to 1=x+1”

Um, no that “division” of “x^2 -1” by “x -1” is bogus. The
chicanery continues until you can prove 1 = 2 which is
an alert something has gone terribly wrong 🙂

Zero has no value.
Raising 6,000^0=1

Spence,
Revolutionary are the following
– 0 is not a real number
– As the denominator gets smaller and smaller the numerator rises
– In the equation 1 = x, when both sides are MULTIPLIED by x the resultant isn’t x = x^2. Sure in your version of mathematics for an equation 1=x, 1*x = x*x would yield 1*x = 2x (after all x*x is 2x)
No wonder Euler, Gauss, Ramanujan, Aryabhatta, Riemann, Newton and a lot more are all lining up to learn mathematics from you.
1/0 is UNDEFINED / NOT DEFINED though the LIMIT of the expression 1/x as x tends to 0 is infinite. Am sure you do not understand the difference.
Zero IS A REAL NUMBER!!!!!!!! Now go find out what does 0/0 and 0^0 yield.
If my question 2 was out of your league not suprised with the stupidity displayed in your response to 3
Then x^0 = 1 is used to position some concocted notion of ‘reducing’ something or us to lowest whole value i.e. 1
Again nonsensical
1) Considering whole numbers, the lowest whole value is zero and not 1. Zero happens to be not just a real number but a whole number as well. Don’t get back to me with zero has no value for i will not waste any more time on fixing lack of understanding.
2) -5^0 (and it’s -5^0 and not – of 5^0) = 1. So did -5 actually ‘reduced’ itself(value) to 1. Amazing na….. for only in your version of mathematics -5 > -5^0.
You reminded me of the only advice I would give juniors on the campus and which was – Children shouldn’t try teach their parents how to produce babies.
Have a nice day Spence. Just wake up also to that your understanding of mathematics is abysmal and so try not to use it to drive home some concocted notion.

Hi Dungeness
Yes zero is real, but a/0 is indeterminate. As the denominator approaches the limit of zero, the result approaches infinity, which has no limit. Trying to avoid Calculus terminology to express a simple idea.
As indicated in the example I provided.

The original question involves some chicanery:
Posted by: Dungeness | November 05, 2019 at 08:09 AM
I wouldn’t call it chicanery or deception to achieve one’s objective.
This is one absurd result if one assumes that dividing by 0 is a legitimate operation with the same properties as dividing by any other number.
The example disguises the division by zero which occurs since x − 1 = 0 when x = 1.

Spence
Sometimes you should just shut it.
What is your background in mathematics?

Hi Georgy
Experimental Psychology with a minor in Multivariate Statistics…
Originally majored in surface physics.
And yours?
SP don’t get hung up in terminology.
Do the math yourself. Watch what happens to the result whenever you use smaller and smaller denominators.
The results get larger. As the denominator approaches zero the result approaches infinity.
It’s a fact. My poetic license was in stating that any number in the numerator will rise to infinite value a the denominator is reduced to zero.
So simple. And yet look how conventious you have become.

Then x^0 = 1 is used to position some concocted notion of ‘reducing’ something or us to lowest whole value i.e. 1
Again nonsensical

Perhaps there’s a language barrier but it made sense to me, even
the mystical drift.

I wouldn’t call it chicanery or deception to achieve one’s objective.
This is one absurd result if one assumes that dividing by 0 is a legitimate operation with the same properties as dividing by any other number.

Thanks for clarifying. Again, maybe a language barrier or I didn’t
read the prior thread closely enough, but it wasn’t clear what the
chicanery was intended to demo.

Experimental psychology – hahaha – says it all.
Can I not question your expertise ? You seem a great ‘expert’ on many topics – I have my doubts.

Georgy
What is your background?

Eye fort aye sore Ann I saw

MATH should include Fibonnacci, . . always
7

Hi Dungeness
You wrote
“But, I think mathematically 0^0 and 0/0 are considered to be
“indeterminate”. I notice computer computations yield 1 for
0^0 and “Illegal division by 0″ for 0/0 though. I told you your
head would start to hurt!”.
The issue has to do with zero itself. It must exist as a real number for all other numbers to exist, but has no value of its own. You could say that zero isn’t real because it doesn’t exist in the real world. But without zero no other number has any proportional value. And unlike any other real number, you can’t divide a number by it and get a determined answer. All other real numbers can be divided, and are themselves multiples of other real numbers.
It is zero that gives the entire creation its size, scope, speed and sustainability. But zero has none of these qualities itself.
My poetic attempt was simply in response to 777s attempt to discredit Brian Ji. How can something arise from nothing? 1 x 0 =0.
But in truth, both poetically and mathematically, Everthing that exists depends upon something that doesn’t exist, zero.
And when you carve away all the false notions that don’t exist, rather than end up with nothing, you arrive at what does exist. You arrive at truth.
Hence the Michaelangelo quote / paraphrase.
And as for n^0=1, when you raise someone or something of zero value above yourself, then whatever value you had, whether n= 6,000 crore, or 10, the result will be a reduction to the lowest whole number, 1. Spirituality, you could say that you have been left whole, but lost whatever you had accumulated.
Math metaphors may not always work, but zero is a fascinating idea.

Hi SP,
You did a nice job of name – dropping, but Reimann (Reimann sphere) actually uses and substantiates division by zero, just not for real numbers. Infinity isn’t a real number, but it is the resulting set of numbers in complex analysis. Think matrix calculus. 1/infinity =0, and 1/0 = infinity… It’s a single defined point describing the whole sphere.
The range of cotangent and tangent functions in trig also approximate this form of infinity… As a defined set of complex numbers.
Rather than suggest the undergrad should listen to the prof, and remain silent, let me suggest that if the students listen to each other, learn from each other, they might better grasp the subject. And if the teacher listens to the students they will understand how to teach with greater effectiveness.

And as for n^0=1, when you raise someone or something of zero value above yourself, then whatever value you had, whether n= 6,000 crore, or 10, the result will be a reduction to the lowest whole number, 1. Spirituality, you could say that you have been left whole, but lost whatever you had accumulated.

Except, as noted, zero itself raised to the power of zero, is indeterminate
and, in a correctly working computer language, will compute a NaN
(Not a Number) error.
It would have been equally coherent in an alternately defined math or
theology to say 0^0 = 0 rather than generate an error. After all, you could
argue there should be neither loss or gain when you operate on zero just
like 0+0, 0-0, 0*0.

Hi Dungeness
Perhaps the error of 0^0 is just a misunderstanding…..
Spiritually speaking… 😉

Sieve
Burger-flipper extraordinaire.
Does it make any difference?
I’m not the one preaching.
Do not make yourself so big. You are not so small.

Georgy
Burger flippers feed the world.
Nothing to be ashamed of.

Georgy
I’m smaller than anyone. And on a good day I don’t exist at all: 1/infinity.
As for preaching, can’t be helped. But I’m working on that.

Hi Cocky
You asked
“What a wonderful notion. What is the gain to begin with? Which then stands reduced to the smallest unit.”
This was in response to my poetic effort to discuss n^0=1.
If n = 6,000 crore, raised to the power of zero, it becomes 1.
When we raise something of zero value above ourselves, all that we gained is taken.
But you cleverly asked ‘what is that which we have gained’.
Wealth.
This formula works four ways, again from a metaphorical logic…
A. Worldly wealth. By placing someone or something of zero value above ourselves we are reduced to zero. Our worldly wealth vanishes (if we are lucky). This presumes that worldly wealth actually has no value.
B. Spiritual wealth. If we place someone of no actual spiritual value above ourselves, whatever spiritual wealth we gained is taken, leaving ourselves at the smallest possible unit.
OK, so here is the clever part, Cocky, and I thank you for bringing it up.
In both cases above, we are brought back to the One.
What appears as loss in both cases is actually all the gain possible in terms of humanity and spirituality.
In Gurinder we have someone of zero utility for worldly wealth (follow his spiritual teachings, not his investment advice!).
In Brian Ji we have someone who claims zero spiritual wealth, and whose teachings reduce all spiritual gains that actually have become a barrier to personal development (as the Lord’s divine bulldozer trashing every false thing, but behind the false is the real. Dragged through our own illusion by the Lord’s gentle Bulldozer, we are brought to the Truth…but in this case every illusion is a spiritual truth, is a level of development. But they can become addictions. Hence they are illusion. Removing them actually moves us forward. Carve all that is not elephant from the block of marble, and all that is left is elephant.)
In both cases we gain. Becoming nothing, we become part of everything, one with everything. Owning nothing, holding zero view, we naturally fit into the whole as our tiny self… And reconnected to the Whole, we become the infinite.
‘The valley is so low all streams flow to it.
‘ The ocean is lower than the valleys and so all rivers does to it.
– Tao
This is the true path, but many different streams lead to it.

Perhaps the error of 0^0 is just a misunderstanding…..
Spiritually speaking… 😉

Could be! I’m more likely to chalk it up to a power outage though.

“My poetic attempt was simply in response to 777s attempt to discredit Brian Ji.”
Posted by: Spence Tepper | November 05, 2019 at 05:24 PM
Spence,
I am sure Brian Hines doesn’t need you to counter any attempts to discredit him. Or does he?

Hi Slave
You commented then asked
I am sure Brian Hines doesn’t need you to counter any attempts to discredit him. Or does he?
I don’t know anything about Brian ji personally.
But I have learned to admire his work. And in that admiration is an understanding that has been purely beneficial to me.
Gratitude in this case is simply helping myself.

Admiration is best reserved for those worthy of it.
Otherwise it goes to the head, and all the negating ego reflects on itself.
And even though these that believe they’re nothing go to their Graves defending their stance that in spite of their nothingness they can’t let it go without clinging profusely to their undeniable importance.

Yep well Spence if you aware and admit it, I can’t fault it. Nooners perfect, except maybe the big dude GSD Lebowski.
I don’t think he claims to be perfect either. Or that wasn’t my impression from the HP event I attended, then again I didn’t see the magnificent 7 in action either – damn shame.

Hi Whodunit
You wrote
“Admiration is best reserved for those worthy of it.
” Otherwise it goes to the head, and all the negating ego reflects on itself.
“And even though these that believe they’re nothing go to their Graves defending their stance that in spite of their nothingness they can’t let it go without clinging profusely to their undeniable importance.”
Yes, yes, the problem with formalized Gurus who accept being treated like God. The corrupting effect is nearly unavoidable.

http://www.interactiongreen.com/home/zero/about-us/kuu-zero/
What is Zero (KUU)?
This website is named zero = abundance. Based on the concept conceived by the ancient Indian philosophers, we believe that zero, or nothingness/emptiness, is not null as it appears, but is actually a boundless source of inspiration, creation, engagement, and ultimately happiness. The ramification of the zero concept was so profound that the Buddhists dedicated themselves for centuries, if not a thousand years, to cement its principle.  Eventually, Zen, a school of Buddhism that thrived in Japan during the Middle Ages, crystallized the essence in the form of various arts, most notably the Zen garden. The beauty was so captivating that it influenced modern minimalist arts, design, architecture and even business philosophy around the world.
In Eastern Asia, the concept of zero is expressed using the Chinese character “空,” which is pronounced “Kuu” in Japanese, and means “sky”, “void” or “emptiness.”
Zero (Kuu) and Buddhism
The “zero” (or mathematical zero) as we know it today was first developed in India around 650 AD. It was conceived as a placeholder to recognize “nothingness” to perform complex calculations. The original sign for zero, or dots under the numbers, was also called “sunya” — a concept from ancient Indian philosophy to describe “emptiness,” “void,” or “sky.” While mathematical zero emerged as an essential element to advance science in the modern world, “sunya” has always been a major interest of Asian philosophy and religions. Buddhists have especially devoted themselves to pursue the truth of zero.

Isn’t it a great pity that those who seek for, and get accepted by, and voluntarily accept initiation by ‘formalized gurus’ even 35 or 45 or 55 years back still can’t recognize a true guru from a false one?
It strikes me as being a ‘first world’ and perhaps more pointedly a Yankee doodle problem, what with all the fancy pants academic institutions like Yale and Harvard and Princeton and Smithsonian, UCLA etc. institutions, the wood becomes increasingly difficult to recognize from the trees.

Enlightenment and Listening Nov 6
Brian wrote
“” open yourself to a piece of music or listen with total attention to the polyphony of the birds and wind outside, the occasional plane that flies overhead, the patter of rain on the windows. “”
Yes
We are an instrument like a Harp
and our 7 Chakras – even 4those who deny their existance
it can fibrillate, interfere , associate with all
kinds of chakra_sense combinations
I totally freak by hearing Rachmaninov, or Hiromi Uehara, Miles and so
It
gives me Goose Bumps all over my body – helps
to maintain good shape/health at almost 83
And then Whodunit, overmore there is the sweet sweet gorgeous Anahabad Shabad as if I am totally in Heaven already
Guess I was targeted by you Sir or Lady with 55 years
How dare I be so double_happy inside and the outside
How dare I be in Love all that time
I’m so ashamed as when a friend asked me to sit in his Rolls
and poor tram voyagers looked down upon me : How dared I sit there.
Karma punishment for driving a Rolls inPunjab a century ago
I would chose this life a hundred times more and again
It is exactly as I want
So much grace that I will soon be reborn – – soon, relatively I must suffer
an accident or so, . . if not . . we shall see
and
“Anybody tells me nothing”. is the answer – Youtube “The Old Town Road”
Gurinder Insight is still as BRIGHTER then usual but told me nothing-
I guess HE feels/knows THE Power TOO while doing HIS Simran
RS
777

Hi Whodunit
You write
“Isn’t it a great pity that those who seek for, and get accepted by, and voluntarily accept initiation by ‘formalized gurus’ even 35 or 45 or 55 years back still can’t recognize a true guru from a false one?”
It’s actually the opposite, after 35, 45 or 55 years we have learned to recognize the difference.
It’s not so subtle.
But it didn’t just happen. A few outspoken folks who got our attention helped us wake up.
And that’s because 35, 45, or 55 years isn’t necessarily years of growth.
For some, stuck in the same confident and comfortable, stagnant and self – justifying life it has only been one year repeated 35,45 or 55 years over.

Hi Spence
Thanks for being a little less pessimistic !
Enjoy !
777

Australia is burning. This is reality. There is no Master who is going to save you. There is no God who cares about you. Each person is totally involved with their own little life and pathetic little complaints and we only wake up when confronted with catastrophic events…
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/10/i-never-thought-id-see-the-australian-rainforest-burning-what-will-it-take-for-us-to-wake-up-to-the-climate-crisis
Right now there are about 80 fires in Queensland and a further 60 blazes raging through New South Wales. The maps show the east coast terrifyingly lit up like a grotesque Christmas tree. Many of these fires are burning out of control as the relentlessly gusty winds ground the firefighting aircraft needed to bring the blazes under control.

When. someone who’s blind as a bat starts directing the traffic then you know you’re heading for a mighty smart smash
Like a particle in the hadron collider on a collision course with reality

Are You safe Jen
I thought U were in New Zeeland
Yes AU is to pro Trump
Is. not good
“Anybody tells me nothing”. <<. You liked that song? Kind of triple denial - looks familiar here - 7

Hi Whodonit
You write
“When. someone who’s blind as a bat starts directing the traffic then you know you’re heading for a mighty smart smash
” Like a particle in the hadron collider on a collision course with reality
Isn’t that every creature on earth, especially humanity?
But I guess in the land of the blind the one eyed thief is king.

@777 you said
“Gurinder Insight is still as BRIGHTER then usual but told me nothing-
I guess HE feels/knows THE Power TOO while doing HIS Simran
RS ”
Does HE need to attend to his simran too?

Hi 777, you ask “Are You safe Jen”.
Yes, safe enough, only concern is not having any pure clean air to breath. Lots of smokey haze and no fresh air. Trying times!

“Are You safe Jen”
You claim to have the ability to see into the future and events from far distances, 777. Don’t ask what you should already know.

@de La Torre
You must live an exciting life and be convinced
that karma will never change, . . .
by amplifying this biggest ever big Pharma and
patent holders conspiracy, the way you did
Without knowing it was from India
I used HYDERGINE very expensive from NOVARTIS
and later from RANBAXY
I used it for 50 years and it is fantastic
Actually it has been STOPPED after the FAKE SCANDAL following the plan
like so many other efficient but TOO CHEAP medications
I would pay 10 times the price for a few boxes
It s not the time now to ask the brothers which technician can
manufacture some for me
I guess U are that traitor, first working for the brothers
next earning $ 16 million
There might have been some packaging mistakes ( repairable )
perhaps also caused by yourself
The deaths toll from taking good and cheap medication out of th market
come on your shoulders – Hell is Hot
This brings this whole situation in the daylight
and BBJ knows the karma flow so well
@Jesse
Like with any decent psychic : things come automatically and always from above
and U have no single influence on that
In my case, sometimes rarely, info comes from the Master(s)
Everyone claiming claitvoyance is a lier
Even a SatGuru gets only “on a need to know basis”
@Jen
Like actually in India from millions of little land-cleaning fires
Keep the Health
@cocky
YES 100%
777

“The deaths toll from taking good and cheap medication out of th market
come on your shoulders – Hell is Hot”
What about the death toll from greedy and corrupt men who pretend to be gods selling intentionally tainted meds?
How hot will their hell be, retard?

@Jesse
Like with any decent psychic : things come automatically and always from above
and U have no single influence on that
In my case, sometimes rarely, info comes from the Master(s)
Everyone claiming claitvoyance is a lier
Even a SatGuru gets only “on a need to know basis”
Posted by: 🤲 ☠ 🤲 | November 08, 2019 at 05:02 PM
And if I may add my bit on this @777
@jesse,
Looking into the future about something or ‘looking up’ about another is a specific deliberate action and not like one develops x-ray vision. Besides why ‘expend’ one’s accumulated wealth by doing this when the same can be found out by asking a simple question – Are you safe Jen?
I say for I know, for I have seen this in motion on numerous occasions – sometimes on the spot and for others being told let me check!!!!!
And I ain’t talking of flashes here.

What about the death toll from greedy and corrupt men who pretend to be gods selling intentionally tainted meds?
How hot will their hell be, retard?
Posted by: Jesse | November 08, 2019 at 06:54 PM
Leave that for you to experience and tell us all.

‘Frightening’ photos of ‘apocalyptic’ bushfires burning across NSW and Queensland
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/multiple-homes-destroyed-as-fires-burn-out-of-control-across-nsw/news-story/0eb834fd17ea93199faa7919606a9832
Two people are dead, seven missing, 30 injured and at least 150 homes have been lost as “unprecedented” bushfires sweep through northern New South Wales and south east Queensland.
The emergency services have issued a warning to expect more fatalities as fire fighters battle to make their way into areas affected by some 81 blazes, 43 of them out of control, in NSW alone.

Nat King Cole. <. "Sweet Lorraine" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo3GPJiohaA
”When it’s raining, I don’t miss the Sun,
cause I see The Sun in HIM”
Just How the 4 Million versus 8 are feeling Night and Day
777

“How are you supposed to contemplate or meditate on Yeshua when he’s dead over 2000 years and you don’t have an inkling about who he is or how to recognize him? You wouldn’t have a clue about who he is, you’d never know him from Adam.
May as well meditate on Genghis Khan or Zeus.
Posted by: Whodunit ”
How and why are you supposed to meditate on anyone? You don’t know the inner nature of anyone’s mind. You barely know yourself.
You meditate on “Baba Ji” yet I can list everything you know about him in less than 20 words.
-He talks in public.
-He once lived in Spain.
WHAT AN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP YOU HAVE! Such a blessing to have a LIVING master, man. Wow, you know that he lives somewhere, gives talks, and maybe steals a lot of money. You should probably meditate and focus on his face because you know so much about this guy.

There is a famous line from one of the upanishads that goes “guru brahma guru vishnu guru devo maheshwara”
Usually it’s translated to mean “Guru is Brahma, Guru is Vishnu etc.” It’s utilized by all modern babas, and RSSB gurus themselves have used this line to justify the worship of men with vast amounts of riches.
But what if the meaning was the exact opposite of what all these opportunistic babas would like it to mean? Maybe the meaning is “Vishnu is the Guru, Brahma is the Guru” and has nothing to do with worshiping men, but means the Gods themselves are your teachers and gurus?
Nobody wants you to believe this because that wouldn’t be good for business, would it?

“Baba Ji, I’ve been meditating for 20 years and finally you’ve shown me your astral form. So now that I’ve received this rare once in a million lifetimes blessing, instead of carrying my fat soul to heaven, could your radiant astral miracle mind spend some precious time and please tell me exactly how much money you stole, and how many aspirin I should take?
Heaven, salvation, eternal bliss in God’s presence can all wait. Tell me the truth about aspirin and money laundering, oh lord.”

“Sant mat is an EASTERN religionand cannot be understood by people of the west!!!
what was the saying about the west and the east …. they never …”
To much of what is now Christendom, Christianity was an Eastern religion at one point as well.
I think the insanity caused by RS and other cults in western people is due to unchangeable aspects of culture, not the religious teachings per-se. We have our own gurus and meditations in the west which work very well. The gurus are often far more analytical and expect much less to be believed, and they especially don’t expect to be considered holy. Look at Eckhard Tolle for example. Or even in the east, Supreme Master Ching Hai’s methods and aesthetics resonate much better with the Vietnamese.
It’s simply not in our western blood to worship men, and it causes conflict in our minds when we’re expected to. So far, not a single Indian guru has been able to understand the west (because the gurus are all arrogant, and almost invariably uneducated dolts. But the educated ones are no better. See Belur Math’s touring brainiacs as examples).
They just try to force their views on us like Christian missionaries did to them, which is why nearly everyone who gets into the realm of yoga and meditation eventually leaves, often mentally broken and blah blah some cliche about empty shells of their former selves or whatever.
We should be a lot less concerned about trying to fit in to foreign religions, and more concerned about when mass migration with its baggage of unavoidable and inevitable violent clash of cultures leads to a war that kills all of us. Cause you know, that’ll suck really, really, really bad, and not even the Koch brothers and all the other greedy psychos be able to escape the terror they initiated.

@ Jesse
Whether it is in our blood or culture to worship i don’t know.
Personally I am not able to admire anything or anybody if I cannot relate to it. Cakes one cannot taste are of little value, so to say.
And in eating cakes ir doesn’t matter whether the maker is famous or he and his products are admired by the masses. If the cakes taste good, it just tastes good.
If one is in a movie one loses the awareness of self and the surroundings, be lost in the drama shown on the screen. Normally one wake up after the movie omes to an end. If one wakes up in the meantime it is not that funny. One becomes aware o oneself, and the surroundings in the theatre … a rather noisy and smelly experience depending where one was seeing the movie. …. and … the movie itself has lost all its attraction it had before and ends up as fast moving visions and noises.
One can get up and leave the theatre but that is not appreciated nor to speak to the people next to one. Calming down, and waiting for the end to come is the best remedy.
Many things in the world do resemble these movies, certainly poltics and religion. Once lost the contact with the drama it is difficult to regain the contact.
All things that have their root in “hot” climates will die out in colder zones within 3 to for generations. Bollywood and mekka cannot last in the northern hemisphere

“All things that have their root in “hot” climates will die out in colder zones within 3 to for generations”
Does Christianity not count? What about people? Because I live in one of the coldest parts of USA, and we definitely have families originating from warmer climates who’ve been here more than 3 generations.

@ jesse
Ask those people if they are still the same as they ancestors.
Plants from other climates, if they survive the first generation, will tend to adapt themselves. White sage, is from hotter climate and will not survive the winters in northern countries … but … these days one can buy white sage that will survive the winter.
In colder climates the emotions have to calm down otherwise one cannot live in small rooms for longer periods in the dark winter.

Welcome one and all
To my fabulous downfall!
Welcome to my flaming dumpster!
Warm you hand and your heart
As my life falls apart
You once loved my message
Now come enjoy my wreckage
Welcome to my flaming dumpster
Before my light would inspire
Now its one big dumpster fire
You’d think I’d learned my lesson
But it’s you I’m really testin’ 😉
Welcome to my flaming dumpster
I’ve packed a lot of you in this fiery bin
Some call it virtue, others call it sin
But when your in it upside down
You see my smile as a frown
Welcome to my flaming dumpster
Now don’t stand too close
Or you might become toast
Don’t look too deep into the flames
You might find its really you in this hot place
And I’m the guy who was looking in
Pulling you out like any decent Samaritan.
Yeah you had it wrong…
That’s OK
What can you expect when it keeps getting hotter?
How can you see straight when you’re burning under water?
My trash bin
Is just your taxi in.
I’m burning all your nonstop crap.
And yah, you’re welcome for all that.
Welcome to my flaming dumpster!

(1) The High Court says that Dhillon and his family owe no money at all.=
Baba Ji said it already : There is no debt
777

You’ve lost the plot Spence. Here I am stuck inside unable to face the dark smokey air which is making people ill and you are making a joke out of catastrophic fire events. Hope you burn in hell Spence.
A Burning Philosophical Question
https://medium.com/@jpaulreed/a-burning-philosophical-question-94acd3f30e8c

Jen don’t blame me for the fires in Australia.
I’m sorry you are stuck inside, for the smoke and the devastation.
But all life comes to a disastrous end. Consider how your friends, parents, pets, and yes even children have died. It is not generally great. When each one passed, their entire world crashed and burned to ashes. What you are witnessing now out your window happens to all life in less dramatic but equally lethal ways every moment of every day, across the globe. We are all burning in that dumpster fire.
So I’m sorry. But please don’t blame me personally. You had / have a guru for that.
If you can blame me for stuff way above my pay grade, then you have no legitimacy blaming any one else here for doing the same with Gurinder. At least they are attending to the right guy.
So Jen, I hope you bask in heaven!!

About the ultimate Creator and Jesse s Warm & Cold
To say He Always was or is everywhere,
these kind of things are
Is a little tiny because in fact
There is no time but just HE exists
And everything we are aware of is HIM/HER
He leads a very simple life and wants only One Thing
But that is old News, but not Fake news :
SHE wants LOVE , nothing more, nothing less
So SHE invented the Rule : You go Where your Heart is now!
This rule applies to ALL in evolution
And can be consumed in the 7-Chakra Entity (f. I. humans ) at best
The word Heart🔥can best be interpreted : “Where your Chakras are”. 🔥
Easier : Which Chakra is most often energised. 🔥
Now, . . . SHE placed herself in the highest Chakra
The Crown and hopes that we reside there also often
When it happens, HE is flabbergasted ( and WE experience it)
Underway there is the “DO NO HARM” rule like an access ticket
Because the harm we do comes back and pulls us down
Pulls even down in evolution
And Who wants to re-be a planet, a galaxy . . . . stuff from the past is that
So , . . . Let’s be (with)HIM, Let’s be HER
Underway here are so many sweet cadeaus ( gifts )
Like helping our loved ones in HIS direction
And seeing it happen
HIS doings also start to be spectaculair for the new Lover
Like I wrote about here : the miracles on a regulair base
The need to know stuff, the bright happiness, The SONG
Let s go where our hart is
777

“I KNOW MY Astral body has a mind of its own, and operates outside of Jim’s Cage, and never tells Jim where it’s going, what it’s doing, after it returns from each adventure”
So your “astral body” is something that you watch. A foreign object. Like a movie. And you experience completely different things than your astral body.
Then when you die, that astral body will just go off on its own and forget you ever existed.

“the first principle of spirituality, the minimum condition : do no harm.”
Most of the Sikh gurus engaged in war. Krishna killed people. I don’t think “do no harm” is necessary for spirituality, because spirituality is a vague word.
“Would a true Holyman, a man of god, be involved (as he has now even admitted himself) in such financial skullduggery?”
Yeah, why not. Maybe true spirituality absolutely requires us to be criminally violent. Who knows. Maybe the higher heaven Sawan Singh wanted access to was Valhalla and he was just too weak to fight and get there.
The problem isn’t whether or not Gurinder lives up to some sort of modern humanist morality that we call spirituality. It’s whether or not he lives by his own stated rules which we can find in his book publishers many selections. And as we know, he doesn’t live up to those rules.

November 12
Affidavit of Gurinder Singh That HE in no way
used super-natural powers to let succeed worldly investments
WOW. FOR THAT. !!! 💥 cid:16E01F8D-5A31-489C-BFAC-EF373CA3EFC3
As I stated here 3 or 5 times already that a GIHF. is NOT. All-knowing
but knows ONLY “on a need to know basis” as defined by HIS Master
in this case MaharaJI Charan Singh , . . . . . which knowledge
Charan gives to ALL INITIATES, again “on a need to know basis”
which might be a lot, nothing or stuff between.
Now the high court can focus on the two brothers and if moneys were siphoned away.
I m praying for them , remembering both at their ages of around 3 years
in MaharajI’s company at Delhi Airport when we waited for luggage
and he pointed to me when my Samsonite passed by.
( also on a need to know basis, . . . which can be terrific
777
Here is a secret
SatGurus of the highest level when giving Darshan, in effect
they receive Darshan
They see great light from sincere God Loving disciples
and reflect / multiply with radiating LOVE. 🙏 back to them
I described here years ago when several times I received that Love Beam
from a mile distance
and how modern communications in are well suited for Thristy. ( Sd, HD, 4K > 32K )
for the willing
Guys here
if you knew what you are fighting against. .😘. . . . so awesome

Jessie writes,….” Then when you die, that astral body will just go off on its own and forget you ever existed.”
Me: No, Son, my Astral body will ascend to the next level as soon as all karmas are balanced. It will ascend or project to my Causal body, which is my Higher Soul Self, where ALL of my past life incarnations that form Jim’s present Personality are archived. All Astral bodies die and disintegrate, but take 1000-3000 linear earth years.,…according to a Ishwar Puri. Causal Bodies also eventual die as well, and disintegrate after ascending to Sach Khand, but that lasts millions of linear earth years. not to worry. You have plenty of time left to sort it all out.
Cheers,
Jim

Trump in Sach Khand: “I subpoena Grinder Sing Dillon to release his Tax Returns! I’m the One with Presidential Immaturity (forever)….not him!

JM wrote :
“” I’m just thinking… what possible motivation could the brothers have for embezzling hundreds of millions. “”
I suggested this many times here
Old verbal commitments with Mohan and THIS was the moment to honour their obligations
It’s done all the time when private companies go public
Why the correction officer holded Shivinder by his testicals ?
Is that regulair in India?
7

Physical reality may in fact be subjective! According to recent studies in quantum physics.
https://futurism.com/quantum-research-reality-subjective/amp

So nice Spence
At last a super-hyper- mega-positioning of a SatGuru explained
Now wait a little longer for 100QUBIT s opinion
( I guess the Chinese will be the first and at the same time subdued
)
We will lose some of our inefficient free will
OMG
Fantastic developments
777

Nobody understands what consciousness is or how it works. Nobody understands quantum mechanics either. Could that be more than coincidence?
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170215-the-strange-link-between-the-human-mind-and-quantum-physics?ocid=ww.social.link.facebook

“Some scientists think we already understand what consciousness is, or that it is a mere illusion. But many others feel we have not grasped where consciousness comes from at all”
‘When this “observer effect” was first noticed by the early pioneers of quantum theory, they were deeply troubled. It seemed to undermine the basic assumption behind all science: that there is an objective world out there, irrespective of us. If the way the world behaves depends on how – or if – we look at it, what can “reality” really mean?’

‘Physicists are not terribly comfortable with finding themselves inside their theories. Most hope that consciousness and the brain can be kept out of quantum theory, and perhaps vice versa. After all, we do not even know what consciousness is, let alone have a theory to describe it.’
“Every line of thought on the relationship of consciousness to physics runs into deep trouble,” says Adrian Kent.

But many others feel we have not grasped where consciousness comes from at all.
I would be very simple
if they would dare the axioma , . . . Truth . .
that each consciousness IS THE CREATOR -TOTALLY
Then suddenly everything becomes clear with a solid theory they
can work with
We just have to remove dust, dirt amnesia and next “time” by Love (Sound)
An exact definition of Sant Mat and it s tools
777
–

A great help would be the astounding (new) fact & proof
that two Galaxies at 200 Million Lightyears from each other are communicating,
as if they are directed by the same force, the same “”second”” even
Breath/5th chakra technics can bring one there ( @dark energies )
even by the heart chakra religions
Sant Mat aims much higher – End our thoughts by Love for the Sound
+. don t hurt a thing

Hey 777
All this crying is gonna make the blog soggy!
‘That each consciousness IS THE CREATOR – TOTALLY’
Well, well – if that ain’t what the soul is then more rain falls up then falls down!
Both individuation and universal simultaneously, well that’s my take on it – blows the mind I reckon.
All this stuff about separate pieces trying to find their way home = a diversion imo.
Also, as I’ve been slowing moving through the ‘Recognition Sutras’ it seems that these teachings have similarities with some of what you get in Sant Mat – only more in depth with both a top down and a bottom up approach to things. At the moment it even seems to me that Sant Mat may well have come out of teachings such as these (Kashmir Shaivism), as folks like Manjit have mentioned in earlier posts.
Further To quote Wallis (p.89/90) –
‘In the act of perceiving, the perceiver is subtly changed by what s/he perceives, and what s/he perceives is changed as a result of being perceived, and this is constantly happening, moment to moment in an endless flux – the infinite dance of awareness…..
…what you bring to any given experience (which of course is your entire history) profoundly shapes the nature of that experience …… the object affects your consciousness, and your consciousness affects the object …..’
In regard to being aware/paying attention to this he [Wallis]says:
‘This intimate of a relationship between subject and object is only possible, the Tantrikas argue, if they are two aspects of one reality, and therefore they sought, through awareness-cultivation techniques, to realise each object of experience in its true nature: as a vibration of Awareness’.
Wallis then goes on to draw parallels between these teachings and Quantum Mechanics:
‘ …. There is no such thing as observer-independent reality. In other words, we cannot ever know the purely ‘objective’ or unobserved nature of a thing, because it has no such nature…. If you wish to experience reality differently, you must radically reconfigure the way in which you perceive …’
I think this is good stuff.
Best wishes

Intellect is a hindrance not a boon

“Intellect is a hindrance not a boon”
A hindrance to what, and a boon to what? It certainly helped Gurinder amass a huge amount of wealth that the less intelligent would never have been able to accumulate.

A hindrance to seek and know truth
It’s limited in its capacity to look beyond the world of human concept and material illusion
One man’s truth is another’s lie
It’s not designed for recognition of truth only for dissecting and discrimination of ‘facts’ to determine ‘reality’ by means of deduction, not by direct value of experience or sight.
To know what truth is one has to use other faculties that can penetrate the veil of the illusory nature
As even scientists are trying to do today using ‘primitive’ physical apparatus, however these applications as ‘advanced’ as they proposed to be are yet inadequate to see beyond the veil of the physical fabric of ‘gross’ material existence.

“. ” There is a famous line from one of the upanishads that goes “guru brahma guru vishnu guru devo maheshwara”. ” ”
Jesse compare this with your former story , the million of ants being Indras
This is the same truth as I asked to work with as an axioma
Good quantum computers will grap this TRUTH earlier than our brains
Whahabi fundamentalist will seek to destroy this high_qubit devices
like they tried to kill the mystics who told us this in all ages
Think a little bit longer about
“Before Abraham, . . . I AM”
This is the TRUTH
You never were not!
This will modify Jim’s silly desperation of where he will be after his “death”
Jim also will be where his heart IS! . . is now!
Best is ASAP collect the Shabd
The thristy feels (bakhti_love) on the face of the Guru facilitate hearing his frequency.
He has That package and can distribute it, whatever financiel/banking occupation he is involved in
Seth Shiv failed miserably as a banker
Jesus too. . . . I m sorry! 🙂
This again brings me to our heart ; our nested convictions
We are sticked to it and only meditations can modify this
“WHAT IS GRAINED IN US” ( JapJi 7th line)
after 6th line : “How then to be TRUE?”
I paraphrased because of old age but it’s SO clear
How lucky we are
We got the “package” , the 5 words, with this Quantum Power
At any moment we can use them to hear and Love the Creator frequency
The Words ARE the Creator but you find out in a later episode, after life
made U working with them
If you stop ( Exers cases) the whole process halts.
I will stop jubilations now
Wish you All so much success
Jim, . . . How about a new birth with a clean reset ASAP ?
Tim you explained so good what in fact only can be ‘lived’
Thank You
Jesse : Why always so obstinate while in fact you know already stuffs. 🙂
Myself: A manmukh fool, no description possible on that_one guys
agreeing with Gurinder via Osho paraphrased :”Why should I suffer other people’s karmas”
I can understand that so intensively . . . except when LOVE intervenes! 🌺
His form is just lended at the death of a disciple without HIS permission! 🙂
He is just fucked off by Charan
Another stupid misunderstanding : No sex 4the SatGuru
Wow
777
777

@Tim Rimmer,…….since you are the progression of that Sperm that won the swimming race , and beat the other millions of competing Sperm to the Egg that you, Tim was hatched from, are you able To to retrace your Journey from the swimming Sperm Champion, and if so, further retracing that single Sperm back up stream to the Ultimate Creator? No doubt, OSHO Robbins knows exactly, the moment when HE WAS ONE with that very Sperm that won your swimming Race! Thoughts? Neo-Advaita Vedantists would ALL be paddling their boats in that very Race that The Sperm won in the swimming race that you expended from, stimulating.😇😜🙏🏻
Jim Sutherland

@UM
Once lost the contact with the drama it is difficult to regain the contact.
YES. but Can also be easy again to be trapped in
Even seduced using some new quantum__like astonishing powers
@Whodunit wrote
To know what truth is one has to use other faculties that can penetrate the veil of the illusory nature
As even scientists are trying to do today using ‘primitive’ physical apparatus, however these applications as ‘advanced’ as they proposed to be are yet inadequate to see beyond the veil of the physical fabric of ‘gross’ material existence. Posted by: Whodunit | November 16, 2019 at 11:02 PM
Yes
I worked once for a big publishing house
and my boss told me about his visit to a high estimated professor in physics
at CERN, Geneve
who had privately on his desk a half meter size copy of the Cheops pyramide
He said:
The photo exposures of colliding particles at Billions $ costing CERN are similar to the exposures
“I obtain herewith/in this pyramide model at the price of few dollars
between two 3 cm thick layers of led.”
I like this part of the blog very much
as opposed to the gossiping “guillotine knitting ladies” part
777
–

“To know what truth is one has to use other faculties that can penetrate the veil of the illusory nature”
And where did you hear this? From the intellectual traditions of India of course.
Get your own thoughts, then get back to me.

@ 777
Prof. B sitting next to him said that the pull had to come from within and if it was not there nothing could be done to make it come.
and …
at another time that I should not say that nothing was going to happen as one is jostled into a situation, so much so that one cannot but act in a given way and that that too was not in my hands.
Again … there were days that I was looking at the movie of sant mat and was lost in it. Honesty wills it that I do remember those days with great pleasure. Than I woke up and the magic was gone, refinding myself sitting surounded by people lost in all sorts of movies and blots of light on the screen.
It is all not in ones hands.

No not from ‘intellectual traditions of India’ but via direct exchange between teacher and disciple, or even better, for experience with practical system of application (and appreciation, which obviously you lack, which is probably why your perception remains closed) as taught by true mystics.
So if your perception is closed because your intellect has shut it down don’t presume that everyone else is as blind as you are to what is available to be understood or experienced through means other than incapacitated blind intellect.

Hi UM
You wrote several interesting things..
“Once lost the contact with the drama it is difficult to regain the contact.”
“YES. but Can also be easy again to be trapped in
Even seduced using some new quantum__like astonishing powers”
“Prof. B sitting next to him said that the pull had to come from within and if it was not there nothing could be done to make it come.
” and …
“at another time that I should not say that nothing was going to happen as one is jostled into a situation, so much so that one cannot but act in a given way and that that too was not in my hands.
” Again … there were days that I was looking at the movie of sant mat and was lost in it. Honesty wills it that I do remember those days with great pleasure. Than I woke up and the magic was gone, refinding myself sitting surounded by people lost in all sorts of movies and blots of light on the screen.
“It is all not in ones hands.”
Yet the answer is within you. The mind forgets. And so the heart forgets. And the pathway is through the heart and the mind.
Physiological Psychology has already demonstrated that we remember by association, not recording. The mind doesn’t actually function like a computer. It functions relationally.
What that means is that you can forget beautiful events, lessons learned, incredible experiences and the relational pathway back to them simply by disassociation from just one single key facet of them. You only need to misdirect attention from a key memory to place the entire related chain out of access. You might recall the details of an event. But the connection to your heart can be lost in this way. But all the pieces are still there for you to reconnect in a more grounded and truthful way.
Do not confuse what you see around you with the reality of the path. But your path is what you have already experienced. So find that through your own practice. Build the atmosphere. Allow yourself to believe and when you withdraw finally to there, then you can look down upon here and try to integrate the two realities. But the inner one must take priority since you actually live there. That’s your home, even though you are lost looking out the kitchen window to the happenings on the street. You are still in that kitchen and need to cook your meal. All the appliances and groceries are right there. Just turn around. And you will find that there is much more there than you know. And you are not alone.
Jaimal Singh gave the best advice. Don’t get up from meditation until you have tasted the bliss of the Shabd Duhn, even just for a few minutes. Then and only then you are set aright and can think and see most clearly, as clearly as we can from this tiny point of a single life in n this single moment time, conditioning and place.

Um
Everything as experienced here in this condition is as a projected movie
So it simply is the condition that requires clarity of fine projection.
The light projects from the projector through the film onto the screen which is the projected image into the plane of this world, the stepped down transformation of action/reaction. (karma, life, experience, love, hate, attraction, repulsion, attachment, detachment)
But if the light from the projector is switched off then no projection is visible. The movie stops.
Without the light (consciousness) projected through the moving images in the film (mind), onto the screen (the world), there is no movie.

Complaining isn’t great for the brain and sets in conditioning that covers other healthier pathways…
“While it’s not an exaggeration to say that complaining leads to brain damage, it doesn’t stop there.”
https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/how-complaining-rewires-your-brain-for-negativity

“Research from Stanford University has shown that complaining shrinks the hippocampus—an area of the brain that’s critical to problem-solving and intelligent thought. Damage to the hippocampus is scary, especially when you consider that it’s one of the primary brain areas destroyed by Alzheimer’s.”
https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/how-complaining-rewires-your-brain-for-negativity

@ spence
>>Jaimal Singh gave the best advice. Don’t get up from meditation until you have tasted the bliss of the Shabd Duhn, even just for a few minutes. Then and only then you are set aright and can think and see most clearly, as clearly as we can from this tiny point of a single life in n this single moment time, conditioning and place. << In order to do that Spence one needs the necessary motivation about a goal to be reached Earlier I wrote about the first strophe of Dante's Divina Comedia … a man refinds himself in a dark sinister wood, realiszing he has lost the right way. He realizes he was on an animal track that all of a sudden disappeared under his feet, meaning that there was not even an path leading somewhere, coming from nowhere, never having been there … his walking was an illusion. Just to give an idea of hat it means to discover the reality of an fata morgana … no need spence, to find fault with a teacher or teaching. Mystics are right, that the pull, the calling, is a gift …. not that their is a giver … but the whole mystic literature speaks of a burning hearts desire … if that fire is not there what can one doe ???

@Whodunit
There were days, now long ago, when I would use the metaphor in the same way as you do.
In one way or another, I related to what I said …. but these days it has lost its meaning.
Imagine yourself looking at an religious ceremony at the ganges banks. For an onlooker a person is waving a candle, but for that person, what he does is full of meaning.
For me that meaning in relation to religious matters just faded out gradually leaving me an onlooker.
That is all … in the beginning it is scarry but one gets used to it

The Sperm won in the swimming race that you expended from, stimulating.😇😜🙏🏻
Jim Sutherland
Next time I use Butterfly like Phelps.
@Whodunit stated correctly
Without the light (consciousness) projected through the moving images in the film (mind), onto the screen (the world), there is no movie.
me:
Without the Light, the word is still in place
Light is one of our several zillion unbelievable ways to perform
Enough reasons not to worry & be happy
Posted by: Whodunit | November 17, 2019 at 10:18 AM
@Spence
“While it’s not an exaggeration to say that complaining leads to brain damage, it doesn’t stop there.”
me:
But then why you complaint here so much?
Spencevery wisely told us:
Physiological Psychology has already demonstrated that we remember by association, not recording. The mind doesn’t actually function like a computer. It functions relationally.
me:
PAVLOV RELATIONALLY
That’s why somewhat older initiates remain ‘un-moved’ these days
To much Darshan. 💖
777.
PS > UM : if that fire is not there what can one doe??
Pray!
HE gives the hunger, the soup and the spoon (HE said)

@777.
>>PS > UM : if that fire is not there what can one doe??
Pray!
HE gives the hunger, the soup and the spoon (HE said)<< I know, I know he said it, …. it is all in his hands. In order to eat 2 conditions have to be fulfilled. One there has to be hunger, second there has to be food on the plate and both are given. Since when has anybody prayed for hunger???? Those who are hungry may pray for food .. that one can understand.

The spoon is Simran
The Soup is The Sweet Sound
The hunger comes from adequate Pavlov
as stated above
I did the spoon 24/7 the first two years
until I found out that the vertebrae must be really straight
Then I wrote that recommended letter to HIM
and asked not to answer me
777

@777
>>The spoon is Simran. The Soup is The Sweet Sound. The hunger comes from adequate Pavlovas stated above. I did the spoon 24/7 the first two years until I found out that the vertebrae must be really straight.
Then I wrote that recommended letter to HIM and asked not to answer me<< [1] There must have been inner motivation or "hunger" to be able to do 24/7 simran for 2 years. ...that hunger, that motivation, was a gift [2] Then there was the sound, you call it the soup in the plate … that too was a gift Now having receive that gift, you can say that you ate and enjoyed. If both gifts are not there …. what can one do?! What you write about an letter I don't follow!! Anyway I just accept that people do have experiences like there are others that have a talent to write music, discover things in science or things like that…. we are not all gifted. And those who are not gifted are left with the hearsay of talented people. People go to concert halls to listen to Bach's but the real music of Bach was what he heared in his mind. Poems of mystics are the same, for a while it gives pleasure, but soner or later one will discover that HEARSAY however beautifull is just THAT ,,,HEARSAY. Looking at pictures of fire doesn't warm the body when cold. It is all that simple ….

Hi Um
Great comments!
You wrote
“In order to do that Spence one needs the necessary motivation about a goal to be reached
” Earlier I wrote about the first strophe of Dante’s Divina Comedia … a man refinds himself in a dark sinister wood, realiszing he has lost the right way. He realizes he was on an animal track that all of a sudden disappeared under his feet, meaning that there was not even an path leading somewhere, coming from nowhere, never having been there … his walking was an illusion.
“Just to give an idea of hat it means to discover the reality of an fata morgana … no need spence, to find fault with a teacher or teaching.
” Mystics are right, that the pull, the calling, is a gift …. not that their is a giver … but the whole mystic literature speaks of a burning hearts desire … if that fire is not there what can one doe ???
Two things..
1.” In order to do that Spence one needs the necessary motivation about a goal to be reached”
When you walk into a garden you see things you didn’t see before, and getting to know them better automatically becomes one’s goal.
The only effort is to walk there and make sure you aren’t looking at your cell phone all the time, or listening to your head phones. You just have to be there.
When you close your eyes, you’re in a cathedral. Using repetition, imagery of the Master, any method to put down the cell phone and take off the headphones and you will begin to have a sense that you are on a very large place. And then you watch your mind /brain operating. That’s very interesting. The Quieter you get, the more your brain becomes sensitive, and raises to conscious awareness, stimuli you normally aren’t aware of. Because it’s subtle. But focusing on it, the brain helps amplify it. Then just observe, focus on the things that help you withdraw even from what you see in meditation. You get to watch a show so long as you don’t get too involved. Like skateboarding, or iceskating, or surfing. So long as you maintain your balance, you get to go on a little trip. And each part unfolds just as easily as a garden opens up to you with each step forward.
So it’s about practice, and getting sensitive to what’s in you already. And reducing the cycle time between distraction and forgetting.
2.”Mystics are right, that the pull, the calling, is a gift …. not that their is a giver … but the whole mystic literature speaks of a burning hearts desire … if that fire is not there what can one doe ???”
If you have the desire and interest that’s all you need, then comes effort. The pull is always there in everyone. It’s part of our physiology. If you have a human body, pull is there. Not every method works. Brian ji likes Mindfulness, everyone has their favorite. Be willing to experiment. Because basically everyone has the same physiology. Shabd is inside of everyone. Not everyone experiences the same way, but eventually they do. Until then it’s Shabd filtered through brain.Or more precisely, Airbrush filtered through the brain’s Sensory filters. At some point you experience without those filters. That’s when you will be hearing Shabd, and in time that becomes overwhelming. But all roads lead to Rome if you just keep walking. Unless the road you are on is just too steep. Then take one of the more gradual paths.
Start from where you are.
Put in a few minutes each day then try to lengthen it.
Make your practice reliable, then punctual.
And those small disciplines will help carry you through most of the distractions. And when you become disconnected from Shabd, you will naturally want to Mediate even more, and the effort will be there. But it has to become anchored in some internal experience for you to be able to go back there. That’s why you should change practices if you aren’t getting results.

Hi 777
You wrote
“me:
But then why you complaint here so much?”
That’s a great question.
I can see how from your perspective it looks like that.
Seems to me that’s a little complaint in itself.
From another perspective its just trying to put the information together without ignoring it.

@ spence
I do appreciate your effort … wrote an lengthy reply … but … deleted it again as it would be, repeating what I wrote.
Let me ad only that what happened to me did so after 45 years of daily effort. I did learn many a thing from him for which I am gratefull for the rest, as far as an inner journey is concerned i am still there where I started out those long years ago.
No problem … that is how it is
The lady from whom I came to know about this path said that it was nothing for me as I lacked the bhakti qualities needed …. I liked here.

@UN
I thought
no meat I can
other vows I cannot
but Simran 24/7 I can
So I did
It’s slowly becoming sweet and later super sweet
and you see that it always was the Sound
but also HIM My Master
That was 50 years ago
and
I wrote HIM
“Now I have You, I don’t need God anymore”
but your right
It’s all a gift
Today it s more difficult I heard
We lived together without marriage
You might Read some of my comments here
Best Luck
777

Hi Um
I’m not sure you lack any qualities.
Maybe. Certainly we all lack Qualities. I think it depends on what you are after. Vince Lombardi said success is a habit and so is failure. We can and should change habits that aren’t working.
When you say you gained nothing from all those years it reminds me of the story of a boy who tried to move a boulder to get the treasure in the cave. Every day he would come and try to move the boulder. It didn’t move. But in his loyalty to his practice his arms and legs became very strong. It didn’t bother him. He enjoyed his outdoor walk to the boulder, and his pressing exercises against it. It became a mildly pleasant routine.
One day, as he walked up to his favorite boulder, he wondered if it was perfectly round. The question of the actual shaoe of the Boulder had never crossed his mind before.
Just on a lark, he walked to the side of the boulder and noticed there were gouges in the side.
Now he was strong, after all those months and years of trying to move the Boulder. And so he reached for hand hold over hand hold, and foot hold over foot hold, and pulled himself straight up the side.
There he had a lovely view of the valley before. And he saw that the entrance to the mythical cave was wide open from the top. And so in he went and got his treasure.
But if he’d kept pushing that boulder he would never have gotten anywhere.
It was what he had learned, and the strength he had developed to climb under his own power at least to the entrance, that served him.
So be willing to try something different. Destination is there. You are stronger than you were. Maybe strong enough to try something different.

777
In the Urdu words of the Great Master Shiv Seth Dayal..
Radha Soami to thee!

@ Spence
Thank you for you for the beautiful tale.

In meditation I asked Master to explain levels of consciousness with respect to the limits of the human brain. Here is what he showed me and explained, as best I can recall.
When your meditation advances to a certain stage it is as though you had a supermarket built next to your home. You can go there and see everything while your are there. That’s universal consciousness. Of course we don’t spend much time there, but it is there. And when you go you can see anything you like. And you can take a few things back with you when you return to daily consciousness, ‘return to the body’. Generally we don’t take anything but the experience of our Master, the time we spend together. We pass the supermarket and go straight to his house. And that helps us, reminds us to stay in his presence throughout the day. That boils down, when we return here, to an impression of love.
But as to that supermarket, You can bring an item, or a handful of items back with you to the kitchen of the mind. You can develop that if you wish. But it isn’t necessary. Some minds have just a toaster oven and a single burner, and a small cooler. Others have a large stove with many burners, two ovens, and a large refrigerator. What truths entering back must be processed so we can comprehend it in this stage of consciousness. But it is very limited. The brain is very limited. And it’s conditioned to attend to this world, and generally suppress most internal experience. Mind is doing its job, but we can do our job separating from it, rather than trying to mold it or expand it. There are some dangers there. But very few people can develop enough power to be dangerous. What is most important is to build the wealth of time with Master within, because that conditions us for death. That prepares our mind through conditioning the mind. Then we are conditioned to return to Master and not to this world. So we shouldn’t waste our wealth on anything else. And then there is protecting that wealth, that’s Satsang, that’s reading good books, good company, Bhajan and Simran during the day, conditioning the mind to remember and enjoy the return to Meditation and Master’s presence. Then we are preparing the mind, which is the most we should be doing for this mind.

Spence:
Start from where you are.
Thank you very much.
I have been willing myself, and failing.
Start from where I am 🤩

@Spence
Do you mind to be called Spiritual Bi-polair
Lets enjoy :Welcome to one of the biggest mysteries in the universe: what makes up most of it. Our best measurements indicate that some 85 per cent of all matter in our universe consists of “dark matter” made of something that isn’t atoms. Huge underground experiments built to catch glimpses of dark matter particles as they pass through Earth have seen nothing. Particle-smashing experiments at the Large Hadron Collider, which we hoped would create dark matter, haven’t – at least as far as we can tell. The hunt for dark matter was never supposed to be easy. But we didn’t expect it to be this hard.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24432560-600-why-dark-matters-no-show-could-mean-a-big-bang-rethink/#ixzz65dhpU8Fe
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Back to worldly stuff
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Anybody here ?
Anybody interested to mine all bitcoins left, . . in 3 minutes?
to help the brothers out!

“In meditation I asked Master to explain levels of consciousness with respect to the limits of the human brain”
Lol okaaaaay.

Hey Whodunit
I’m assuming your ‘intellect is a hindrance’ comment is in response to my recent post?
Yes, it is an ‘intellectual’ response to what 777 posted earlier, how else is one to engage in such discussion? As said, I’m enjoying reading and assimilating what I currently see in ‘The Recognition Sutras’. It’s always good in my view when someone else says something that resonates/gels with how I’m thinking/feeling about stuff – particularly when it comes to gaining further insight/perspective into the truth of things.
I’d say that over the years some aspects of my intellect have sharpened as I’ve become more aware of how the mind operates. I’d also like to think that my ‘heart’ has remained open. I believe that this so called ‘spiritual path’ is as Spencer says a combo of both head and heart. A good word for the result of the two working together would be ‘discernment’. Discernment imo is another term for ‘clear thinking’ which (putting a Sant Mat view on it) according to Jagat Singh means the job is 90% done.
In my view such discernment would be important for understanding this relationship of perceiver and perceived which according to Kashmir Shaivism provides insight into that which is the ground of everything.
Of course if you can do the full Bhakta as per Sant Mat then arguably one could arrive at a similar place but who does that – a few fingers on a Saint’s hand?
Hail James Sutherland! How are you?
Pardon my ignorance but I’m trying to get my head around a vision of the ‘Spermy 500’ and hatching from an egg! 🙂
No, I can’t recall/am unable to retrace a spermy path back to the Ultimate Creator. Though I understand that the spermy racers derive from the Central channel?
Have you done it since winning the race?
Is it a take on destiny? Or soul?
I remember re-experiencing some of my birth trauma when I did some rebirthing trainings in the late 80s – does that help?.
Are you lumping the Neo-Advaita Vedantists in with the Kashmir Shaivites? Tut tut. 🙂
Best to all

Hi 777
Yes, bi-polar I would guess. Because I live in two distinct places with a different mind in each. Two different personalities as well.
But it’s better to struggle with integrating those two than to live in this meager place alone with the one.

“Bhajan and Simran during the day, conditioning the mind to remember and enjoy the return to Meditation and Master’s presence. Then we are preparing the mind, which is the most we should be doing for this mind.”
Why the need to program the mind? Why the need to follow a guru? Maybe just allowing the mind to observe the world, ourself and others, our reactions. Just watching and observing our programs running through our mind, our thoughts, our feelings and then constantly letting go, because life is a mystery and we can’t grab onto it with our thoughts. Thoughts are constantly changing and flowing, thats what the mind does. Just observe and let go.

Hi Jen
You asked
“Why the need to program the mind? Why the need to follow a guru? Maybe just allowing the mind to observe the world, ourself and others, our reactions. Just watching and observing our programs running through our mind, our thoughts, our feelings and then constantly letting go, because life is a mystery and we can’t grab onto it with our thoughts. Thoughts are constantly changing and flowing, thats what the mind does. Just observe and let go.”
It’s more a matter of unprogramming, as the rest of your post details.
‘Constantly letting go. ‘ Easier said than done. Everyone has their own approach. And if one doesn’t work, then try another.

Spence: ” ‘Constantly letting go. ‘ Easier said than done.”
Just remain
in the centre
watching
and then forget
that you are there
– Lao Tzu

‘Constantly letting go. ‘ Easier said than done. Everyone has their own approach. And if one doesn’t work, then try another.

Amen.
I think Ishwar Puri has it right though… a spiritual will has to develop as well.
One that will say “no” to say the mental will. Otherwise the mind will keep
piling up things “to let go of”.

Believers need to make clear one distinction in their mind.
Immorality vs Illegality.
What Baba is doing is immoral according to both societal standards, and according to his own stated standards and those of the religious organization from which he claims to have received godhood.
What Baba is doing may or may not be illegal. And whether or not he gets caught is not the sole determining factor of this, by the way. It just means that there are limits to the justice system.
So while I and others maybe casually mix the two things together, it should be accepted that whether or not a court of law finds sufficient evidence to conclude his guilt, he is still guilty by the social standards we’d use to judge anyone who wasn’t charismatic and religiously powerful.
Were you not members of a cult, you wouldn’t question for a single moment whether or not this Baba was acting in service of personal greed, and neither would you question whether or not intense personal greed was an extremely negative character trait.
Leave the cult. It’s a cringe and lame system of low brow Vedanta for illiterate farmers. It is beneath you.

Thank you Jesse for the words of wisdom.
Unfortunately you are no judge of both
– moral standards
– legality
The day you have this authority, come back.
Until then…..

Leave the cult. It’s a cringe and lame system of low brow Vedanta for illiterate farmers. It is beneath you.

What! Leave the cult? Watch it wither and die? Deprive you of
your favorite bete noire?
Perish the thought! You’d be abandoned, alone, adrift with no
one to judge! There’d be none that needed saving from that
greedy, immoral Baba.
Alas, I’d be lost too. Who would I argue with? Without unbelievers
who would I find to feel superior to? Who then could I save from
damnation and hellfire?
We need each other. Don’t ya see!?

I’m the most moral person to have ever lived, Steve. Sorry you’re too much of a little worldly samsara-addicted bitch to notice how moral I am. Maybe meditate a bit more instead of being on the internet, buddy? Maybe get on my level? I don’t know, man. Do something.
Must suck to be lost and have no guidance from the inner master I guess. I other words, it must suck TO BE YOU.
Had you seen my website, complete with pictures of me in ethnic robes and long honorific titles, you’d be much closer to The Truth. But I assume you are no good at using search engines and didn’t see my website, King SEO aka Steve Eternally Ostracized (from the company of Saint Jesse)
Were I less humble I’d be giving satsangs, but you don’t even really deserve my wisdom anyway. I say that in the universe encompassing humility only I know, and in the spirit of my saintliness, sucka.

Good point, Dungeness. I do appreciate those who try to save me from the eternal hellfire, but only because without them I have nobody to try pulling into the flames to dance with me.

Yes Tim Rimmer
Everything related to any opinion on the subject matter of a specific position to any field of activity in the field of action (and reaction), whether by reading others writings and applying their reasoning, is operated by intellect.
Especially the verbal (or written) communication as in this argument.
Fundamental points of communication between people as performed via the internet is obviously intellectual in its origin and construction.
However none of these can change the recipients foundation of experience. Only direct evidence of their personal experience can or will.

777. In the Urdu words of the Great Master Shiv Seth Dayal..
Radha Soami to thee! Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan |
November 17, 2019 at 10:28 PM
Gorgeously Delighted I am!

@Spence said something he doesn’t know a iota about
“Once you get the inner connection there is nothing else you want to do. And the Guru, as a teacher, walks the talk, lives the life he is teaching, models that life.”
Haha
That implies that this who hear the Almighty
and are The Almighty in fact
haha
are never in worldly affairs
So
The rural citizen world is totally deprived of these nobel Souls
777
So, Spence from Earth dictating
–

Hi 777
Who wants to deal with anything once they have Shabd?
It’s not something to brag about, but to submit to.
A person teaching this but deeply embroiled in deeply complex high finance, high risk investment across over one hundred corporate entities in the construction of a family empire for years, has given themselves over to that career, in finance. Not spirituality. The lord has many other people to build real estate and financial Empires.
You failed to miss the point. Yes God can do anything. But the role of the Sant Sat Guru is to show people how to model their entire lives around Shabd, around simplifying the life, so that a normal person could live that life, build that atmosphere.
It is absolutely meaningless to look at someone and say “only a god could do that!”
I understand that you believe the Master should be superhuman in all ways. That is wrong. They are here to collect souls and to be a model for the rest of us, not to live in a way that few could follow, and certainly not a model that has proven time and again to be the path of greed, corruption and self destruction. There are a lot of gurus who take that path. But they false.
The simple way is the best, 777. If you find you must make all sorts of excuses for what looks just like greed and corruption on a grand scale, year over year, then you might consider that this is not living a simple life of devotion, a life of complete transparency and honesty, and a model that others can and should follow.
That’s the job of the Sant Sat Guru.

Hi 777
You wrote
“So, Spence from Earth dictating”
You are the first person who has ever accused me of being from earth! Let alone living here. But I don’t take it as an insult. In fact I’m proud to hear it. Everyone else lives here and they seem to be pretty nice overall.
I may be an emigree, maybe even a naturalized citizen. Yes that’s nice. While I’m here I’ve tried to get along and fit in but it’s been hopeless. But if you think so than I take it as progress!

Most people, 777, when they get to know me really well, end up asking, “What fucking planet are you from?!”
So thank you for the compliment!
😉
Spence

@ Spence
Not that it does matter but I believe to have read and heard several times that gurus, mystics and saints can come in any garb, be it pauper or king.
Kings of yore are the businessmen of today …. hahahaha … and niether king nor businessmen get wealthy by working the land as a farmer.
I am glad that my english, financial know how etc is far to insufficient to even follow more than the headlines …. hahahaha and for my believe, if their as any it is not needed

In another thread someone who uses the name Nancy said in regards to believing facts and speculation about the guru’s links to illegal activity “Please don’t conclude something on the basis of hearsay.”
If this were the standard we adhered to, there would be no religion, especially not the RS religion. The entire system is built on a structure of hearsay. Whether it be blind faith in the holiness and miracles of men from ages ago, or the blind faith in the hearsay about the existence of an entity called the “inner master”, it’s all stories that you first believed in before having any confirmation.
Nobody would be initiated by these “masters” were it not for loads and loads of hearsay, so cut the bullshit out and be honest. You believe what you choose to believe and care nothing for facts, and this is totally fine. Just admit it.

It’s only hearsay to those who have never witnessed anything directly.
To those who have direct experience on a personal level then it reverts to knowledge from clarity of experience and understanding, not from hearsay.
To those who can only operate by hearsay because their senses of receiving or recognizing have been dumbed down through excessive reliance on intellect to assume certain deductions, the cognitive faculties cannot appreciate direct perspective. Therefore everything they develop their conclusions by are based only on hearsay, and none of it as clarified by any means of direct unencumbered experience, only by what their closed-minded calculated intellect has led them to believe.
It’s like the story of Saul of Tarsus who was going around persecuting early Christian followers of Christ because his ‘intelligence’ – (intellectual hearsay) had influenced his life to the extent of dogmatic assumptions in cold hearted intolerance. Until such time as he was struck down by some force either of his own conscience or by some higher power or reason unknown to him prior to his ‘epiphany’.
Likewise until anyone has had any personal experience of anything beyond their own closed calculations of intellectual reasoning, then it’s all hearsay to them. Until they get the good fortune to understand what it is to have personally experienced something directly.

Nobody would be initiated by these “masters” were it not for loads and loads of hearsay, so cut the bullshit out and be honest. You believe what you choose to believe and care nothing for facts, and this is totally fine. Just admit it.

I agree… sorta. Certain beliefs or theories may resonate so someone
may opt to adopt/explore their viability. Without supporting facts, it
remains an experiment, a guess, hearsay. Sadly, after its “shelf life”
expires with no proof, it devolves to “blind belief”.
In my opinion, mindfulness helps you spot the rank smell of a theory
that shoulda been pulled from a shelf long ago. But, if you’re not
mindful, a “cult master” (or your own mind) convinces you dire things
happen if you stop believing. Brian Ji and Sensei Tepper et al warn
of these dangers.
True mysticism honors facts though and insists on experiential
confirmation before that foul odor wafts down from the shelf.
Moreover mystics are open to all paths that posit the truth is inside
and not outside. Great Master told Puri to explore any path that
resonated and report back any whose methods were more
efficacious for uncovering the truth inside.

Hi Um
It’s true Gurus come in all shapes and colors. But it seems recently they have a penchant for materialism.
We get the guru we deserve. If people need a king in golden robes flying in jets, riding his Harley, sending his kids to the best schools in Europe, having visits with movie stars, that’s what they get. They want a glamorous Guru who lets them lust after wealth and all the things of this world, too. They are drawn to it, with the idea that it’s OK. They want their guru to be mixed up in all this, not to be judged wrong, but to be judged right! So that they can too. It’s a secret wish. And along with it, the dream and belief they will be taken right into heaven, and all their worldly wealth simply exchanged at the airport into heavenly currency.
But when one tires of those material false notions, and has a serious interest in spirituality things look much different. We go where our attention is. If that’s material gain, one more acre of land, then we will come back for that acreage. It will be impossible to leave all that we worked so hard to build.
And we see all this obscene worship of wealth, with our only real currency, our attention. And the flawless duplication and sanctification of the Hindu Caste system, the system of slavery.
There will always be a market for such.
But there are real Sant Sat Gurus. And when you find them you will realize that it isn’t ‘anything goes’. They are very far from all this materialism. All that must be released.
Because there is another more important wealth deserving all our attention. Every moment of every day.
And attending with so much ambition to worldly things becomes a tragedy for the poverty left in our spiritual account.
And that tragedy is painted in a trail of fraudulent loans.
But if the pull of spirit isn’t there, then what is left but the pull of attachment?
Then we really are helpless.
But the pull of spirit makes us very ambitious for spirit. We see room crowded with people and Luxuries as a prison, and an empty room as a doorway to freedom. I realize this makes no sense at all to some people.
And that’s OK. Spirituality sn’t everyone’s cup of tea.

@Spence
“sobrietas”, and simple living in a simple way are core virtues in Christian and monastic life.
You might enjoy the story of an Australian atheist scholar that became an Coptic monk
Search for “The life of Fr. Lazarus Al Anthony” on YOUTUBE … there are some versions of 1 hour and 2 hours
What I put before you was something that follows from the tradition as taught by the successors of Kabir, not necessary my views …. that REAL saints, mystics, gurus come in ANY garb be it pauper or king. As we don’t have any king, the concept has to be replace by CEO’s
AND ….. there is also said that there is no way to recognise a true master on his outward behaviour.
AND …..never judge or speak ill of people seen as guru’s
It is all there in the books and on tapes.
I do understand that these same teachings cause problems for most disciples these days as they feel that they have to take side in one way or another, pro or contra.
The core of the teaching is in the word SHABD-yoga as long as that is taught, the teacher stands within the tradition of the path.
The rest is for the worldly judges, newspapers, to find out and judge accordingly

Hi Um
Good comments
You wrote
“AND ….. there is also said that there is no way to recognise a true master on his outward behaviour.
” AND …..never judge or speak ill of people seen as guru’s
“It is all there in the books and on tapes.”
Yes, but we also read in those same writings that Saints lead a simple life, they give everything to the poor and needy, their entire focus is on spirit, not acqusition of wealth. Lust, anger, greed, attachment and pride they have overcome. Their entire focus is on helping others. Saints earn their own living honestly. And they earn just what they need. If they are born with wealth, when they take the mantle of Guru, they give that away in stages.
No Guru in any recorded literature built a financial empire, or even built or conquered a kingdom when they took the mantle of the Guru. That’s a full time role.
Nothing in the literature, nothing written in Sar Bachan, nothing written by Kabir, Nanek, Amar Das, Gobhind Singh, Christ, Mira, Rumi, Shams and the others supports what we have today in RSSB, and in fact these authors detail the lifestyle of a true Saint. That is in stark contrast.
Now, as to speaking out against religious prejudice, the Saints could be quite vocal critics. Because if not for them, who would speak for the voiceless?
All true Gurus advocate Ahimsa, no harm. But who will speak out for the harm being done by RSSB?
It falls to human beings to use the gifts they were given. So that we establish justice for the powerless and the voiceless.
That is what he Saints ask us to do. All of them ask for that.
When there is no harm, we should never judge anyone. We should live in Shabd, within, in peace.
But when there is harm it is our duty to speak out.
And then it is a grievous sin to remain silent.

@ Spence
Chance or divine intervention but the answer I wrote has gone again.
In short … your views upon the teachings and the teacher differ.
Yours being in agreement with what most people hold for correct, both pro and contra here.
They represent the noble qualities attributed to Christianity were love for one’s fellow human beings is goal worthy to live and die for. For me these same things are at best a means to an end.

“No Guru in any recorded literature built a financial empire, or even built or conquered a kingdom when they took the mantle of the Guru.”
I think there have in fact been quite a few spiritual gurus with immense wealth and kingdoms. The Bhagvatam is full of spiritual leaders who are also kings. The Mahabharata is a story of saints fighting wars. Whether or not they use the term guru is irrelevant.
Even in the sant tradition that most RSSB’ers are familiar with there is the entire second half of Sikhism, with the idea of “miri piri” and the “sant siphai.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Hargobind
These religions were also caricatures of nationalism, which is something very inconvenient to delusional modernists.

Hi Jesse
Your correction is well taken, in reference to all those who have been credited with the title of Guru. Many kings, many conquerers. And they demonstrate the ease with which people who follow them can blindly accept lust, anger, greed, attachment and pride in behavior by those who claim to teach the opposite. And that followers enable the harm these false Gurus perpetrate in the name of spirituality. They build a peaceful cathedral for Sunday sanctuary, but many were murdered to do so.
My recent references were to the true Gurus, the true teachers of spirituality. The Sant Sat Gurus. The highest teachings, which are focused on spirituality, not obscene levels of material acquisition. Also, no true Saint ever advocated violence of any kind. And all of them eschewed it.
This can be found in the writings of those I listed and are not bound by any geography, culture or time, though they have helped shape the better qualities of many cultures.
They walk the talk.
.

Hi Um
You wrote
“They represent the noble qualities attributed to Christianity were love for one’s fellow human beings is goal worthy to live and die for. For me these same things are at best a means to an end.”
I’m not sure I expressed my meaning adequatly. Ahimsa, generosity and focus on helpfulness are qualities that arise naturally from spiritual development, the effect of Nam upon us. Some can do this with full conscious awareness. Others, they are blessed to begin with, with these qualities. Certain things come naturally. The tree laden with fruit bows low, and the fruits drop naturally without even being asked for or touched. That tree is in its season.
But the barren tree stands tall and firm, disciplined, and imoving. That tree gives very little shade.
These are not Western our Eastern concepts.
The one of Spirit walks the talk. It is all they can do.
And they tell the truth, however uncomfortable it sounds, but always with the desire to help. There is no point to expose Baba Ji except to help.
All the clothes in the wash are very angry and annoyed being tossed about and scrubbed and drowned in soap. And none of them like the heat of the dryer.
And if that wasn’t bad enough, the iron is sheer torment, the fires of hell.
But when the laundry worker holds them up to the mirror, even the once dirty shirt and pants can see they have been transformed. And now they are happy.
The laundry worker knows what they are doing. They aren’t kings, they aren’t Gurus with a capital G.
But they are doing the honest and unglamorous work. This is Brian Ji’s Laundromat.
We just ignore the baby crying as we change the diaper, or we whisper and coo until she calms down. Diaper must be changed and she will feel better once it’s all over.

I would think, Jesse, that you might find yourself a trifle uncomfortable promoting the same nationalism as these false Gurus from history you decry.
Please take a cleansing moment to connect the dots. Here, borrow my crayon.

“My recent references were to the true Gurus, the true teachers of spirituality. The Sant Sat Gurus.”
Oh the sant sat gurus eh? You mean the Sikh gurus then. Because that is a Sikh religious term, and Sikhs have always been nationalists.
Ever read the bhagvad gita? Another pro nationalism book by a “false guru” known as Lord Krishna.
You don’t know what you’re talking about Spence. Nationalism is only scary because… You know why, Spence. I’ll be polite and just let you sulk to yourself, knowing inside that the game is almost up.

@Spence
You made yourself clear enough to transmit your stand- and viewpoint.
I happen to stand somewhere else and from there things are seen differently.
I have never found any where a mystic going out into the world doing “good” or addressing his followers to do so.
The things you mention are a means to an end … see the Buddhist practice for example. They stress ahimsa but for whom do they stress it?
For the objects or the subjects?
To my knowledge they are seldom or not all involved in caritative practices, they just stress ahimsa as a “means to an end” for the Buddhist himself.
Christians do it. For them it is a goal and a tool also to spread their word. That is why I called it Christian attributes.
In whatever I read from people like Rumi, I never came across and advise to go out into the world to do good and if it was done it was said for the betterment of the disciple

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“You mean the Sikh gurus then.”
Nice effort to pivot, but no banana.
The Gurus I refer to as Sant Sat Gurus are only the ones who meet the conditions discussed, and written about by the mystics named. Nanak and Kabir were on that list.
But as to who is actually is a Sant Sat Guru, that really, functionally, can’t be known. Looking to the top of the mountain from the bottom we may see many climbers and have little perspective to judge their height.
But the basics of decency, of a simple life focused on spirituality and not material gain, helpfulness, generosity, non – violence, these qualities anyone can see. Saints have more qualities than these. But these are the minimum. If they don’t have these, they aren’t even climbing on the mountain. Those without even these simple attributes are, IMHO, the false Gurus.

Ok Spence. So you want to arbitrarily borrow someone else’s religion and it’s terminology, and arbitrarily change all their meanings and definitions because of your own politics. Really cool.
“But as to who is actually is a Sant Sat Guru, that really, functionally, can’t be known.”
Lol you’d argue with a stone. You’re in a weird ethnic cult that clashes with your mystic cult and it’s making your genetic predisposition to mental illness go crazy. Good luck with that.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShelteredDoggo/status/1197392334637412353
Welcome to your bright and wonderful future without nationalism.

2nd half of Sikhism were not spiritual Guru’s they were religious and cultural leaders who were forging a society of Sikhs aligned within their respective political framework between Hindu and Muslim overlords. And then came the British.

Here is a nice indication of how peoples ignoranceand all
what is external
are a hindrance to the truth
and applies to the world of laws, measures, opinions
May the reader be blessed to understand the importance of what is described as giant ignorance in the math field
since a century
Bad news for Atheist – where can they go now?
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/11/neutrino-oscillations-lead-striking-mathematical-discovery/602128/
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Now while the USA approves settlements based on historic grounds
My proposal is
Dig 2000, 3000 skeletons and define the real jewish DNA
Next only citizens having that will have citizen rights
That might be 85% Palestines, forced to converted by Saladin
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PS
Nice trump decree for the USA

Hi Jesse
You write
“Ok Spence. So you want to arbitrarily borrow someone else’s religion and it’s terminology, and arbitrarily change all their meanings and definitions because of your own politics. Really cool.
“But as to who is actually is a Sant Sat Guru, that really, functionally, can’t be known.”
“Lol you’d argue with a stone. You’re in a weird ethnic cult that clashes with your mystic cult and it’s making your genetic predisposition to mental illness go crazy. Good luck with that.”
That’s my leitmotif..

Lol you’d argue with a stone. You’re in a weird ethnic cult that clashes with your mystic cult and it’s making your genetic predisposition to mental illness go crazy. Good luck with that.”

Is that “ethnic cult” called the “human race”…

Hi Um
You wrote
“I have never found any where a mystic going out into the world doing “good” or addressing his followers to do so.”
That’s tragic. It’s all they do with their free time, when they aren’t in meditation or teaching. They are living in the Lord’s Seva, opening all the centers to refugees. Because they see the Lord in these meak and dispossessed. They are all fountains of Shabd, and the Master dines serving them.
Yes, I think you may have led a sheltered existence. That would explain your perspective.
But we are all sheltered from different things

For Um
“Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they’re a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
still, treat each guest honorably.
He may be clearing you out
for some new delight.
The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond.”
Rumi, The Guest House

For Um
“There are five prayers and five times of day for prayer; the five have five names.
Let the first be truthfulness, the second honest living, and the third charity in the Name of God.
Let the fourth be good will to all, and the fifth the praise of the Lord.”
Guru Nanek

For Um
Nanek says these are the five
Truthfulness!
Honest living!
Charity!
Good will towards all!
Worship of the Lord!
Let these be your criteria, Um, for judging a true Sant Sat Guru.

“Is that “ethnic cult” called the “human race”…”
No, it’s not. Human is a species. Race is a colloquial term denoting a taxinomical category like subspecies, or some other class of distinct groups within a species. Like how Asian elephants and African elephants aren’t the same “race” because their ears look different or whatever. Humans are also an animal, Dungeness.
Imagine if doctors used political correctness guidelines from you sociopaths and just gave the same meds and blood to everyone lol. We’d all die really fast.

“Let these be your criteria, Um, for judging a true Sant Sat Guru. ”
Well since you never met Guru Nanak or Mirabai or any of the other figures you were told to worship, maybe you shouldn’t make assumptions about their politics??? Nah, that’d take all the fun away from thinking you’re some enlightened being saving souls online.
“2nd half of Sikhism were not spiritual Guru’s they were religious and cultural leaders who were forging a society of Sikhs aligned within their respective political framework between Hindu and Muslim overlords. And then came the British. ”
You’d likely get smashed in the face for saying that in a lot of places. But hopefully you try it somewhere in a remote village near Gurdaspur during an AKJ satsang.

I’m sorry Jesse I didn’t mean to suggest I’d meet Nanak, and crowd your territory.

“I’m sorry Jesse I didn’t mean to suggest I’d meet Nanak”
You’re not even getting my sarcasm (it’s the density).
The point is that you’re a typical new ager trying to borrow terms from religions, interpret them through the vacuous (Real Manjit hours in this beeyotch) RS lens, and then act like you’re an expert. Does anyone in the world need Spence Tepper to tell them who the REAL satguru is? What about the TRUE boddhisatva? Are satgurus bodhisatvas? Are bodhisatvas the bab? Was the bab a christ? I don’t know man. I gotta ask Spence Tepper who will in turn ask “The inner master” which is also his imagination and a thing he heard about in a book.
Whatever these ancient and supposedly spiritual people’s professions and political leanings may have been wouldn’t matter to you anyway. You’re not interested in what they said or did or what their influences and necessary philosophical predecessors were ie you don’t accept the Bhagvad Gita’s guru, its monarchist politics, or the fact that there’d be no Sikhism, and thus no RS, without that book, but you also don’t accept or know Sikh teachings, yet you claim to know if it’s true or not and who is REAL and TRUE.
Run on sentence for the win.
It’s all new age poseur bs. You should be at Harold Klemp’s guided dream seminars. Or you could, you know, not pretend to be a spiritual master online with the pretense to authoritative claims to who and what is a REAL SantSatGuru™.
Join the real cult with me. The cult of admitting that I don’t know shit, and I know none of you know shit either.

If you don’t know shit then stfu about anything related to any ‘religious’ or RSSB matter because by your own admission you ‘don’t know shit’.
As for Sikhs history and religion which became entrenched as a religious entity during and after Arjan’s tenure as 5th Sikh guru, that’s how all religious institutions begin and become self entitled assumptions as ‘beholders of truth’.
Once anyone got a book to enshrine as the ‘word of the most high’ is when gullible idiots who don’t know shit begin to promulgate their book as the holy book above all others holy books. And enforce it by force if necessary.
As did ‘holy’ Roman empire over all its subjects and Muslim oppression under Mogul tyranny by warlords who used religious nationalism as a form of tyranny and oppression to subjugate their dominions.
Example of reducing humans to religiously indoctrinated nations.
‘The Partition was supposed to solve the religious conflict between Muslims and Hindus. Yet, conflicts and tensions still exist today. The destruction of the Babri Mosque in 1992 by Hindu nationalists is a clear example. The mosque was built in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh on a site claimed by Hindus as the sacred birth place of one of their gods. Disputes between Muslims and Hindus over the site began as early as 1949, with each side fighting for ownership of the land. Tensions escalated steadily with the conflict reaching its climax in 1992 when supporters of the Hindu nationalist political party, Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) destroyed the mosque. This led to nation-wide riots that resulted in the death of over 2000 people.’

‘Nationalism calls forth certain virtues of love and self-sacrifice that can be both productive and dangerous because of their proximity to the virtue of religion. Yet even the most high-minded nationalism cannot seem to do without the more visceral kinds of energy that nationalist rhetoric marshals: the exaltation of “us” and the demonisation of “them.”

Imagine if doctors used political correctness guidelines from you sociopaths and just gave the same meds and blood to everyone lol. We’d all die really fast.

No, no, you’re right. I was referring to a Guru’s lens since they
came up in the discussion. They see only humanity rather than
ethnicity.
They just prescribe for man’s endemic spiritual maladies. You
know… like feeling a compulsive need to counter punch or to
imagine “cultists” and “sociopaths” on every blog corner.

“the exaltation of “us” and the demonisation of “them.””
An integral and beautiful part of the human experience that none have ever destroyed or altered.
Embrace your physicality, and your humanity, and stop with the superstitious bullshit about overcoming nature, or billions of distinct and often adversarial people “becoming one” and “ending conflict.”

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/self-styled-godman-nithyananda-charged-for-allegedly-kidnapping-children-2135775?amp=1&akamai-rum=off
Current whereabouts unknown.

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“Join the real cult with me. The cult of admitting that I don’t know shit, and I know none of you know shit either.”
For a guy who claims he doesn’t know shit, you certainly sling your share.
That’s OK. Plants need fertilizer.

“No Guru in any recorded literature built a financial empire, or even built or conquered a kingdom when they took the mantle of the Guru.”
I think there have in fact been quite a few spiritual gurus with immense wealth and kingdoms. The Bhagvatam is full of spiritual leaders who are also kings. The Mahabharata is a story of saints fighting wars. Whether or not they use the term guru is irrelevant.
Even in the sant tradition that most RSSB’ers are familiar with there is the entire second half of Sikhism, with the idea of “miri piri” and the “sant siphai.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Hargobind
These religions were also caricatures of nationalism, which is something very inconvenient to delusional modernists.
Posted by: Jesse | November 20, 2019 at 01:38 PM
Aye Jessie,
Were you initiated by any of the RSSB teachers? Or perhaps the Ruhani Satsang lineage? I ask because you seem to possess a lot of knowledge. I foresee you could become a Great Siphai.

Karim, what’s up, sweaty?
Actually my full name is Jesse Ruhani Satang Beas. I was initiated by Greta Thunberg into the mysteries of saving the world by the esoteric methods of signing contracts with greasy publicists.

When things get too hot
Come on over to my place
Yah, we got pot luck
We won’t even ask your name
Cause we don’t give a fuck
-Dolomite (Rudy Ray Moore)

So, if GSD isn’t “God in Human Form”, what does this mean for the whole RSSB belief system?
I’ll keep going the way I’ve been. 34 years, what else can I do? The vows alone have been an exercise, and I still have a long way to go.

So many times I m reading
“How can these ignoramus still adhere. . . .
The answer is
We are never alone
We are always happy
We are blessed by sweetness in Sound, in View . . , in everything
We are indestructible
We will never die
Not even referring to the effects from the 1001 miracles ( serendipities ). ALL THE TIME
And you read this now from a bad guy ( manmukh ha ha)
You can’t imagine how this 4 million initiates feel . . . are helped
24/7
Try to understand , . . nothing can take our happiness
777

Hi Anami
Devotion to the Master is a core foundational principle in Sant Mat.
How can one practice otherwise?
To truly believe we have found the unalloyed truth, pure, without compromise, without question. And that this Truth is Love. And so this love, this pure love for the Master is really the Master loving us, His purity, since we are impure.
The Satsangi has so many positive internal verifications from this kind of devotion, this serves as their proof, their evidence, which is directly obtainable every day, at different levels. At any and every level of devotion there is verification of internal experience and evidence.
When other people try to suggest this is illusion, or self – generated, or simply false, this can be very hard to consider. When we question our own experience we are living in denial.
And both undermine the peace and harmony, the joy and ecstacy of believing that there is nothing but pure love here. Of our worship and devotion for the Master, and of experiencing the reward of that love and worship.
These are also mechanisms built into the body and brain. We were meant for it, just as we were meant to live loving, helpful and peaceful lives that help us to experience this love to ever greater degrees. And when we do not protect that atmosphere, we do harm to ourselves and others around us.
The Master teaches us about this practice which resonates directly with mechanisms within us. Hence our foundation becomes unshakable. Whatever hard facts of a worldly and contrary nature that come to light, we have a supply of evidence internally to the truth of the teachings and the subject of our devotion, the Master, and we can get as much and more of that, at our level, simply by daily practice, and even moment-by-moment practice.
How do we reconcile the two conflicting realities?
One must be right, the other wrong. Well, that itself is a psychology. And a belief. The psychological condition where apparent contradictions must, defacto, result in one truth and the rest false.
Science is a mechanism to separate one truth from other false beliefs. So this psychology gains some surface credibility referring to science.
But science, true science in practice, often leads to a different outcome. The discovery of new factors that explain the apparent discrepancy. That both observed events are factual.
The old laws are refined to accommodate new discoveries. But some of the old laws, refined, turn out to be truthful, and the evidence of the past, still valid within the revised definitions.
A fifth law in physics has just been discovered, because it solves many such conflicts.
Science would have ended long ago if it limited itself to one right and everything else wrong.
But instead what science teaches is that Truth is a developing target. Our understanding becomes refined.
In that light, no information should be dismissed as invalid and rejected. Neither internal nor external.
It is possible, in theory, that God, while benificent, is also a thief. It is all part of reality. But I think more realistically, the human expression of divinity must be in the form we can wholly devote ourselves to. Our form of God needs to be completely good without question, not flawed but were we must ignore or try to push that into the background in denial. That’s what we worship. And worship, to be effective, must be with our whole heart and one pointed. Not divided, even subconsciously. We start as divided. The purpose of Spirituality is to integrate and reunite us with the deeper parts of ourselves. Spirituality, the Word, Nam, is the ultimate unifying principle.
So therefore it is helpful to that devotion to understand our own criteria for a good teacher, which is our current mental conception. And the degree to which our devotion is in line with that. And to let ourselves develop, to integrate these diverse things so that our internal condition is peaceful, uncomplicated, clear, and our resulting devotion is singular.
Conceptions may change as we develop. It is our progress that is most important.
Therefore the evidence may not be strong enough to draw a conclusion of right or wrong, but only suggest that our understanding is incomplete.
But that can’t be an excuse to ignore facts, because understanding all the facts, internal and external, better, makes for progress.
When people reject inner experience, they limit their progress.
When people reject external evidence, they limit their progress.
Let’s accept and embrace the evidence of our practice to continue it. Let’s acknowledge as developing evidence what is being presented in the press.
It is legitimate based upon developing evidence.
And let us accept the different working hypotheses as all on the table for the time being. And their proponents worthy as colleagues, even if impassioned to insist their hypotheses are truth. Some elements of truth may be in them.

820 words, Spence. You just wrote 820 words that I can summarize in 5.
“I am in a cult.”

“A fifth law in physics has just been discovered, because it solves many such conflicts.”
Spence,
You presumably mean the fifth force and not fifth law. Anyways the paper just suggests that the sub-atomic particle could be indicative of a fifth force. Nothing confirmed as yet.

Hi X17
Yes, it is preliminary, and alternative theories are being developed as we speak. Still, this is mature work by two scientists who have replicated this phenomenon, which they reported initially some time ago. The phenomenon is most likely a real event, and this is why they rushed to get their theory published because, now that the event is verified, everyone will attend to it, as they are beginning to do, developing alternative explanations. Of course those doesn’t change what we already know, but refines it.
But both strong and weak forces were unknown 200 years ago.
We will have new laws. Of course they aren’t new. We will discover them. And our understanding will develop.

Jesse, you wrote
“I am in a cult.”
Well I don’t think you are a cult just yet, though you have written a few hundred words yourself.
Lets just say that my proclivity is to build explanations of actual events that acknowledge the good and the bad. So that we can learn the power of open and diverse thinking, and collegial respect.
And your proclivity is to build explanations that dismiss the good and inflate the bad, so that fear of anything different becomes predominant, they only lesson is isolation and distrust of outsiders and complete obedience to your chosen authority.
You and I were raised differently.
And we have different careers. Yours must include destruction and domination in the service of the status quo.
Mine includes gently dismantling urban myths so that better ways of working can be set in place by the very same people who held the old and destructive views.
My job does not have the luxury of your perspective. Mountains of data must be compiled and shared to help folks who think like you make the tiniest move forward. Because they are they ones in charge of patient care.

Dear DungeonX
Apparently I’ve acquired an editor.

@ Spence
Just to inform myself as my English is not that well.
>My job does not have the luxury of your perspective. Mountains of data must be compiled and shared to help folks who think like you make the tiniest move forward. Because they are they ones in charge of patient care. < Is this a way of saying that you are a psychologist, psychiatrist or therapist of sorts and Jesse, a patient that deserve your attention and treatment??

You just wrote 820 words that I can summarize in 5.
“I am in a cult”

Actually, it’s 821. Did the loss of a word drive you
into a “cult”.
1: Hi
2: Anami
…
821: them.

“Yours must include destruction and domination in the service of the status quo.”
Lol your opinions are indistinguishable from those presented by literally every media conglomerate. You’ve never challenged anything. You believe and then believe more.
Self awareness check, anybody?
“Mountains of data must be compiled and shared to help folks who think like you make the tiniest move forward. Because they are they ones in charge of patient care”
All these Africans keep raping old ladies in nursing homes and nobody’s allowed to protest lest your ethnic mafia ruin their life and get them fired. Get the data on that Mr Ted Talks.
People on this blog call me an asshole. The reason is that their perception on the matter is not flawed. They are correct.
The things said about you are also true.

Yes, Um. I’m a patient who needs 821 words of wisdom to save me. Spence will tikkun olam everything when he becomes the next guru and repays Gurinders debts by skipping comic Con next year.
There’s a guy on freespeechextremist.com called MK ULTRA. He’s the only sane person left who will fix us all. Without him we’re all lost, UM. He’s a Tru Mystic who fulfills the definitions from the Tru Spiritual books of Tru Data and SCIENCE. He might even be more science, more mystic and more data than even Spence.
Do you science data mystic much, Um?

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“People on this blog call me an asshole.”
How is this relevant to my comments?
Some people can swear and it makes it all more real. And others swear and it’s just a cover.

Hi Um
By profession, I’m a hospital management consultant and have been since 1988.
By training, an experimental psychologist and behavioral therapist since 1978.

Yes, Spence. I’ve always loved our Masters more in the abstract than the concrete, so I don’t feel much different really. In a strange way I feel better, perhaps for the sense of dissonance. It makes the relationship more participatory, like the difference between going out for good food and cooking in my own kitchen. Who cares if the chef at the restaurant is an alcoholic, as long as I’m not.

@ spence,
Regarding Rumi´s Guesthouse.
Again you and I might read and understand that poem as underlining one´s point of view.
Also with regard to what Nanak Ji wrote ….. it is a matter of were the accents are, or whether one reads those lines as an goal or as an means to an end or directed to a subject or an object.
As I wrote before as example the Buddhist who preach ahimsa etc etc, they eat meat and have the animals killed by Muslims, maybe thinking that ho karma will fall on their plate and they are not involved in caritative institutions as Christians do.
An pelgrim on the path is admonished by mystics, to be kind to whoever crosses their path but they are also warned not to stray from that path with the intention to do good in the world or make the world better.
But again I can be totally wrong … this is just my understanding.
If the house is in flames … let it burn, he said

@ Spence
Before I forget!!
>>Let these be your criteria, Um, for judging a true Sant Sat Guru<< I do hope and wish for myself Spence that there will never be an occasion for me to judge a human being that is seen by others as a guru, mystic, saint or teacher. N E V E R That would be a disgrace If I feel attracted to a so called human being, emotionally, intellectually, I might go to him but these mental considerations are in no way an statement about that human being. If that makes me going to an so called false guru … so be it. Than the Lord, if there is one is to blame for leading me on the false track for which he has ofcourse his divine intentions

@Jesse
I didn’t grasp what you wrote .. my command of english is just enough to buy myself a cup of coffee. Often I have to give up an ongoing debate for that reason.
But I am neither scientist, not in data and would not call myself a mystic. I hope that will anser your question.

@ spence
Thank you …

“an experimental psychologist and behavioral therapist ”
Everyone I’ve met who studied psychology was most in need of psychological help, and least qualified to help others. Children of psychologists seem to invariably have mental crises regularly and seek to distance themselves from their families. Maybe you’re the rare exception!
Um, I’m playing games with you, and this other manifestly insane man who rambles here. Don’t think too much about it.
https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/1197918807412658179

Hi Um
You write
“I do hope and wish for myself Spence that there will never be an occasion for me to judge a human being that is seen by others as a guru, mystic, saint or teacher.
N E V E R
That would be a disgrace”
Why only for someone with that title? The title given by other limited human beings?
Why not for everyone?
“”I’ll tell you a terrible secret – Are you listening to me? There isn’t anyone out there who isn’t Seymour’s Fat Lady…….
Don’t you know that goddam secret yet? And don’t you know – listen to me, now – don’t you know who that Fat Lady really is? . . . Ah, buddy. Ah, buddy. It’s Christ Himself. Christ Himself, buddy.”
-Franny and Zooey, J. D. Salinger

Hi Um
You wrote
“If the house is in flames … let it burn, he said”
The house is your own house and no other. Burn baby, burn!
And you can leave that burning house for a better land the moment you take the hand of a refugee. They are children born in the land you seek, and when you cross with them that makes you their relative, family, so that you may enter where foreigners are not permitted.
It is true they need your help. But you may only enter carrying them across the threshold with you, even as a father or mother carries their infant home from the hospital, Or as a man carries his new bride across the threshold. This is no burden. This is pure joy.
Make the stranger, the indigent, the refugee, the aged and the infirm your new children, Um. They are only children. But you must become a child with them to enter the gates of heaven.
You see perfection in the Master. That has no love in it.
Find perfection in the refuge, the handicapped, the addict. The ones who are bullied, they ones who have lost everything. They will be your true Master, and you may have their company as much as you like.
Let this be the true measure of your love of the Master. That you see Him in the eyes of the refugee, the handicapped, the aged and infirm.
That you are so captivated you cannot look away.

Hi Jesse
You wrote
“Everyone I’ve met who studied psychology was most in need of psychological help, and least qualified to help others. Children of psychologists seem to invariably have mental crises regularly and seek to distance themselves from their families. Maybe you’re the rare exception!”
Of course! In my own eyes!
I’m special, Jesse, just like you, Bro, just like you, and every other SOB with an opinion.
But let me step aside for a moment and ask you a trick question.
What do you love more than yourself?

“What do you love more than yourself? ”
Money and my momma.
If you’re gonna ask a “trick question” don’t say it’s a trick question. You’ll never get a sincere answer that way.

And you can leave that burning house for a better land the moment you take the hand of a refugee. They are children born in the land you seek, and when you cross with them that makes you their relative, family, so that you may enter where foreigners are not permitted.

Noble, heartfelt sentiment but Um aptly includes the mystic’s reminder:
“A pilgrim on the path is admonished by mystics, to be kind to whoever crosses their path but they are also warned not to stray from that path with the intention to do good in the world or make the world better.”

“What do you love more than yourself? ”
Money and my momma.
If you’re gonna ask a “trick question” don’t say it’s a trick question. You’ll never get a sincere answer that way.
Posted by: Jesse | November 23, 2019 at 09:14 PM
Not all are smart like you 😀

“A pilgrim on the path is admonished by mystics, to be kind to whoever crosses their path but they are also warned not to stray from that path with the intention to do good in the world or make the world better.”
Posted by: Dungeness | November 23, 2019 at 10:06 PM
For the mystics themselves do not stray from the path to do good in the world or make the world better.

@Spence
That were quite impressive answers.
Writing this sentence, I am reminded of an letter of an American Psychologist in which he explains that he deals with satsangis differently than non satsangis as one had to adapt to this world and the other not.
As smart one wrote: “For the mystics themselves do not stray from the path to do good in the world or make the world better” Whatever I read from mystics, they never lived the live of say a Sister Theresa, they all lived a sheltered, recluse way, often hidden in woods or mountain caves.
Those of lesser grade, stay in remote monasteries, like the Cartusians or as recluse.
What you wrote so impressive about looking into the eyes of the needy, is considered by them, I hardly dear to write it, as a trap … like other more attractive traps that draws the attention outward.
All animals hunt in a different place.
Some eat everything some are very selective.
Those who work within the closure of their rooms, the composers, the writers, the scientists and many more, cannot present their gifts to the world by working in refugee camps. Someone has to drive the train, teach children, work in an hospital et etc Some have to live a sheltered life and others in the public. Others are in the government or organisation of the UNO in charge of public welfare. Some docters and nurses go and work in the frontlines of misery.
Crows are born to be crows … to try to paint their beak yellow and teach them to sing like Nightingales is an affront towards the creator who when he created to crow said that it was good when he saw the work of his hand.
Finally the pull must come from within … that pull is the talent, the calling, worldly and spiritualy.
And .
Millions upon millions are glad they will have some shelter, a piece of food, they have no time, no lust, to indulge in writings as we do, their lives is utter misery from the start to te end.
Nobody can end that misery …. NOBODY …Christ called it a vale of tears.
If it is your calling Spence to act according what you write … go for it.
It is “A” way to go not “THE” way

Just last year multiple governments used faked atrocity evidence as an excuse to go kill people and bring us all to the brink of world war, but we’re supposed to believe it’s literally impossible that they have ever done this before?
“I saw the photos of the shoes!”
“I saw the photo of a random kid!”
Humans are cretinous. Only mystics know the sacred mysteries of atrocity propaganda.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718627/Sexed-dossier-furore-alleged-poison-gas-attack-Assad.html

Hi Dungeness
You wrote
“”A pilgrim on the path is admonished by mystics, to be kind to whoever crosses their path but they are also warned not to stray from that path with the intention to do good in the world or make the world better.”
Everything in balance.
But this path of Seva is part and parcel of building and maintaining the spiritual environment for meditation. They go hand in hand. It is simply bringing one’s own life into balance.
It is the path. Because our path is always crossed with those in need, every day. That’s not an occasional event, unless we live in substantial isolation and denial. Let’s open our eyes!
But you can see how this tiny latitude, to be sure you are safe first, has been exploited into justifying a caste system. And the tiny latitude to be comfortable, is now the justification for excess and exploitation.
How the mind drives the car off road and into the ditch again and again.
Whatever teaching places charity and service as separate from our own development is no true path. It has already lost its way.
But is that RSSB? Was that RSSB? Or what we make of it?
How easily one tiny drop of poison ruins the entire water supply.
If we forget brotherhood all the meditation in the creation won’t help us move one step.

Hi Um
You wrote
“As smart one wrote: “For the mystics themselves do not stray from the path to do good in the world or make the world better” Whatever I read from mystics, they never lived the live of say a Sister Theresa, they all lived a sheltered, recluse way, often hidden in woods or mountain caves.”
If you will please recall Maharaji’s teachings on this he said that this notion of mystics living secluded in the Himalayas, or in caves away from civilization is wrong. We take our mind with us.
Our place is where we find ourselves, and there are always those in need right in front of us. They are everywhere, in our own family, at the market place, and locations where we may volunteer not more than a twenty minute drive from our homes. Serving them helps us control our own mind, humble us, reminds us we are no different.
This is the foundation of brotherhood.
How easily the mind forgets the path!
But we can all remind each other. We are all in the same boat, pauper, professional, poacher, pickpocket and philanthropist. And we should comfort each other on this small crossing.
Let me remind you of what our Master already taught us.