Open Thread 31 (free speech for comments)

An Ordinary Indian,
What you have to do with GSD? Are u his follower?

Time to start using the new thread, so adding here as well…
@Trevor,
I just finished listening to the audiobook version of ‘Have a Little Faith’.
Truly very beautiful and touching.
“I am in love with hope”. Yes, that sums it up perfectly. (And you can’t flip to the back of the book to read that when it’s an audiobook! 😂)
Posted by: Sonia | Mar 30, 2020 8:59:29 PM

Sonia,
Yes, we walked around Williamsburg just the other day. The emptiness was in stark contrast to the usual street life and energy You didn’t miss much by not living there–too boisterous and grimy.
NYC isn’t as treacherous as it used to be, because of gentrification, but soaring rents are the downside. People fled the city after 9/11, and rents came down. Will history repeat?

Books writtern by non-enlightened people is similar to a beautiful hollow sphere. They only have outside lusture but from inside they are empty. So reading them is just a time waste.
These are the people filled with lust,anger,greed,enchantment and ego. So their creations will also lead to these sins.
Only books written by True Masters are worth reading.

One thing that I have seen is that about 99 percent of Santmat followers do not follow dharma. These non-dharmic people continue to do bad to others and support evil criminals and politicians.And yet they sit in satsangs and claim themselves to be big satsangis!
These people don’t know the alphabet of righousness and think that their actions are justifiable.
And specially those working in the Dera and its sewadars.If you want to find some of the most corrupted and ruthless people then you can visit the Dera and meet its employees. Fuckers.
This situation is similar to all the religious organisations in the world.
The biggest crime that the religions in the world are doing is the justification of cruelty on animals.
I have met many fuckers claiming that Jesus Christ, Prophet Mohammed, Buddha etc. etc. all supported animal killing and cruelty.
My response to all these fuckers will be that first understand what is righteousness and think what will happen if the same cruelty and harm is done to you?

Evil people should know about the hellish punishments that they can get because of their actions.
Evil peiple think that nothing will happen to them if they harm others. But they are wrong. Everyone will have to pay for their actions in the court of Yamraj.
List of Hellish Punishments according to Garuda Purana-
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/sbdsisaikat.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/list-of-hellish-punishments-garuda-purana/amp/

One thing that I have seen is that about 99 percent of Santmat followers do not follow dharma. These non-dharmic people continue to do bad to others and support evil criminals and politicians.And yet they sit in satsangs and claim themselves to be big satsangis!
These people don’t know the alphabet of righousness and think that their actions are justifiable.
And specially those working in the Dera and its sewadars.If you want to find some of the most corrupted and ruthless people then you can visit the Dera and meet its employees. Fuckers.
Posted by: Santosh | March 30, 2020 at 11:12 PM
A Disappointed Satsangi Indian
You are bang on. I am told, even by many in here, it starts from the very top at RSSB i.e. GSD . What an excellent choice to have as your spiritual guru, GSD. Perpetrator of a multi-billion fraud, accused of land grabbing, accused of destroying farmlands of nearby farmers, issuing murder threats, hobnobbing with known criminals. Others please add if I miss something. Indeed there isn’t a more dharmic individual than GSD.
And hey guys in here, just ignore the repeated use of a profanity. For some uncouth Indians it’s like being cool.

An Ordinary Indian,
You don’t know the real identity of GSD. Ask someone who goes inside the body to know who is he.
And you don’t have any concrete proof whether he has harmed anyone. So speaking in air is of no use.
And you tell me that GSD is my guru. But you also used to sit in his preachings. Whom are you trying to fool?

Ok so this will be my last comment here. I am tired responding to criminals and idiots.
The last comment will be for An Ordinary Indian, who changed his alias 3 times to respond to me. Fool thinks that I don’t know.
So my dear An Ordinary Indian,
You are a kiddo. I can break your ass within seconds if I want(you should well understand by the power that I am emitting through my comments). But you will not know that because you are a kiddo. Anyways I am bound by some promises.
So please enjoy because your ass is saved. But not so long in the court of Yama.
I have to study so much. So get lost.

An Ordinary Indian,
You don’t know the real identity of GSD. Ask someone who goes inside the body to know who is he.
And you don’t have any concrete proof whether he has harmed anyone. So speaking in air is of no use.
And you tell me that GSD is my guru. But you also used to sit in his preachings. Whom are you trying to fool?
Posted by: Santosh | March 31, 2020 at 06:30 AM
I used to sit in his preachings…. Really. You went inside your body to find this out?? LoL
FYI too, I don’t seek God, a concept just worth flushing.
Ever been to their vault where they store the unaccounted cash which is largely used to pay the black component in their various land deals? YOUR GURU has bought 14acres of land from a client of mine with a 40% black component.
Indeed very dharmik of him!!!
For those who don’t follow, property dealings in India in almost all cases are underpriced in the sale deeds with a liquid cash top-up (referred to as the black component).
And let’s not talk about the harm he has caused. What he ensures through just his security department is obsence. Punjabis love to brag and for a twisted mind like me, not very difficult to extract out the ugly side of Satsang programmes whenever held in Delhi.

You don’t know the real identity of GSD. Ask someone who goes inside the body to know who is he.
Posted by: Santosh | March 31, 2020 at 06:30 AM
So what is his real identity @Santosh – one who goes inside the body and is the flag bearer of that 1% of the dharma following RSSB satsangs?
I hope you will bring back ‘concrete proof’ of his real identity once you return back from your trip inside the body.

List of Hellish Punishments according to Garuda Purana-
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/sbdsisaikat.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/list-of-hellish-punishments-garuda-purana/amp/
Posted by: Santosh | March 30, 2020 at 11:22 PM
Lovely. Can I look forward to the pleasure of being subject to each one listed? I ask because I am not a Hindu. LoL.

On a positive note, people are recovering from the coronavirus. And tests are being conducted, something to keep up hope:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/27/coronavirus-serum-plasma-treatment/

@Santosh
OK, wow. Even Sant Mat isn’t that harsh. I remember reading in one of the RS books that either Great Master or Charan Singh was asked what happened to Judas. And their answer was that Judas was in heaven… with Jesus I think. 😂
But according to my mother-in-law, Charan was asked what happened to Queen Victoria when she died and he replied that she became a tree. 🤣 I guess the Inglorious Empire was much worse than the Romans.

On a positive note, people are recovering from the coronavirus. And tests are being conducted, something to keep up hope:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/27/coronavirus-serum-plasma-treatment/
Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | March 31, 2020 at 01:21 PM
This sort of therapy would be especially helpful for those who are in a medically induced coma and or those not strong enough help to take some of the other treatments that can be hard on the liver.

An Ordinary Indian
There is only one sin
To do harm to another, willingly
the opposite of the RSSB site today”s proverb
So good- I hope they let it for a week
Extraterrestial “Punishments” are in the surviving mind°°° of the defund -s/he figures out what is best
during that so called one second s/he sees the past life flashing
°°°. Just as solid as our present fllussoir time_space_environment (region)
Nothing is real, corona19 included
Thanks Sonia 4your timely report about the hydroChloroquine solution
777

An Ordinary Indian
There is only one sin
To do harm to another, willingly
Posted by: 💥.💥.💥. | March 31, 2020 at 04:38 PM
Is this RSSB philosophy? I thought the Law of Karma is firmly entrenched therein. And if I am correct, then a wrong is a wrong done knowingly or unknowingly. You will pay the price either way.

RSSB sewadars are working round the clock to serve the poor and those in need with warm meals during this lockdown crisis in India.
We ought to learn to appreciate the good deeds and service done by fellow satsanghis.
“By the people, for the people.”

And if I am correct, then a wrong is a wrong done knowingly or unknowingly.
If you by many “harms done” come in a bad rebirth with low Low_Love IQ, low social possibilities, than the new “Harm” you do
is consequently your fault from the past
But Soami Ji said also that many High Level Souls have chosen such
circumstances for eliminating some last impurities , hindering them
to go from the 4th to the 5th spiritual purity
except Love ( I think : they still have that )
SO, we can never judge about someone
the hungery begger paria might be such a one
In fact , somewhat less dramatical, all Jeevas are in a situation of possible improvement
777

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak8iWRSARJU
Afaik, the only video of Gurinder Singh speaking.

RSSB sewadars are working round the clock to serve the poor and those in need with warm meals during this lockdown crisis in India.
We ought to learn to appreciate the good deeds and service done by fellow satsanghis.
“By the people, for the people.”
Posted by: Pema Tej | April 01, 2020 at 07:56 AM
Yes.
Satsang Centres have been opened up too….. As either isolation wards or shelters to the homeless and migrant daily wage earners with meals and other basic necessities being provided.
In the past many have questioned the need for these thousands of centres….. They have their answer I suppose.

Better vid of Gurinder, April 1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w
If any of our friends from India can translate, much appreciated.

Better vid of Gurinder, April 1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w
If any of our friends from India can translate, much appreciated.
Posted by: j | April 01, 2020 at 12:01 PM
So earlier this week the PM reached out to a few prominent and well regarded Religious Heads which also included Babaji.
In the video, the reporter mentions that Babaji has assured PM that he Is available for any kind of service and that the doors of RSSB are open for the needy and that they are in constant touch with the administration to coordinate all relief measures so that the suffering of the impacted people can be alleviated.
He can be heard saying to the PM “We are in touch with all the district administrators here on distributing food, isolation wards or providing shelter to people and that all these facilities have been readied and going forward too, all resources is of the sangat and our doors will always remain open for those in need.”
Instructions that he has left with the Sevadars is that nobody is to go hungry. So centres will scale up to whatever is asked of them. Delhi for instance was serving 28k meals twice a day, a few days ago but already with a capacity of over 50+ meals twice.
What I am aware is these services are already being availed by the administration in the states of Punjab, Haryana, Jammu and Kashmir, Uttar Pradesh and Delhi. It could be at more places too. But not to my knowledge.

@777,
Since you seem to be a well regarded follower of the RSSB religion
Is breaking ass (whatever fuck it means) also enshrined in the RSSB philosophy?? LoL
@Santosh – Product of RSSB huh??

Ok so this will be my last comment here. I am tired responding to criminals and idiots.
The last comment will be for An Ordinary Indian, who changed his alias 3 times to respond to me. Fool thinks that I don’t know.
So my dear An Ordinary Indian,
You are a kiddo. I can break your ass within seconds if I want(you should well understand by the power that I am emitting through my comments). But you will not know that because you are a kiddo. Anyways I am bound by some promises.
So please enjoy because your ass is saved. But not so long in the court of Yama.
I have to study so much. So get lost.
Posted by: Santosh | March 31, 2020 at 06:41 AM
I am sooooooooo scared of you now.. And
I can’t stop thanking you for saving my ass OH POWERFUL ONE!!!!
5 aliases you fool… Not 3. Even @ sonia is one of my alias. LoL
To Note: @santosh is A Product of RSSB. A shining example of what one is like if one follows RSSB. No wonder the exers proclaim to be better humans leaving RSSB.
Time to study…. It was obvious you are uneducated. But Better than studying is GFY
And one last thing who the hell is this bloke Yama. Another uneducated, uncouth like you?

Thank U. J
I placed the following there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w
ankhaton
il y a 16 minutes
Today, . . hearing on CNN ( J Tapper ) Ventilators have a 20 % survival rate
and remembering an Italian survivor, when they did put him on it,
he heard a voice in his head , saying : “When you do That, you will die!”
so he refused
and explained “WE HAVE TO FIGHT, OURSELVE ”
I thought : All of us need starting this fighting allready doing Breath Exercises” , do it NOW
and often.Aspire the double slowly or more while yet healthy
India, The country of Hatha Yoga
If you can before being sick gurgle your mouth regularly and before sleep
–
Also BloodGroup A & AB. nurses should br excempted from service here – they are to vulnerable
–
Masks can be sterilised by UV lights – – 2 hours in the sun
May God show His Merci on all of us, . . and HE Will
Radha Soami Ji
<3
777

Better vid of Gurinder, April 1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w
If any of our friends from India can translate, much appreciated.
Posted by: j | April 01, 2020 at 12:01 PM
Accord to my friend who lives in India, in the video he is saying…
We are in contact with all here, with all the district administrators whether for food, isolation wards or to look after and give shelter to sangat. We have arranged all the facilities. And in future also, everything here is for sangat and doors will be always opened for the sangat.

5 aliases you fool… Not 3. Even @ sonia is one of my alias. LoL
To Note: @santosh is A Product of RSSB. A shining example of what one is like if one follows RSSB. No wonder the exers proclaim to be better humans leaving RSSB.
Time to study…. It was obvious you are uneducated. But Better than studying is GFY
And one last thing who the hell is this bloke Yama. Another uneducated, uncouth like you?
Posted by: An Ordinary Indian | April 01, 2020 at 01:31 PM
Ummm… please don’t pull me in the middle of this.
Santosh, take your meds.
An Ordinary Indian, ignore Santosh.
God, I feel like I’m playing Mom here.

J he is assuring the prime minister that all arrangements for the people who have no place to go are taken care of by RSSB for as long as it’s needed.

@An Ordinary Indian,
In every organization you’re going to find good people and bad people (by bad I mean people who have a more issues than the average person). That’s human nature.
Every school, philosophy, civic group, government and religion has people who live by the group’s principles and those who have a difficult time living up to the principles they profess to believe in. There’s nothing unique about that.

Right @sonia. Like the fella in this video huh?
https://youtu.be/YTx1Y48WCd4
India’s numbers doubled due to another lunatic like this fella in the video.
The ‘Tablighi Jamaat’ could very well turn out to be India’s second patient 31.
Look up this issue and the case of Baldev Singh – and learn of the likely disaster these MF’ers have caused – DELIBERATELY.
Men of God or Agent of Death????

Right @sonia. Like the fella in this video huh?
https://youtu.be/YTx1Y48WCd4
India’s numbers doubled due to another lunatic like this fella in the video.
The ‘Tablighi Jamaat’ could very well turn out to be India’s second patient 31.
Look up this issue and the case of Baldev Singh – and learn of the likely disaster these MF’ers have caused – DELIBERATELY.
Men of God or Agent of Death????
Posted by: An Ordinary Indian | April 02, 2020 at 12:16 AM
Those are Agents of Death. Terrorists. Unfortunately there are plenty of extremists in the world.
But there are also many wonderful spiritual leaders and government leaders around the world. And just really kind and loving people in general that may not be religious or affiliated with any specific group.
And then there are lunatics. 😟
There’s good in the world. There’s bad in the world.
Whichever part you focus on the most is the part that will most strongly affect you.
This is completely random and you may not like this type of music but I was just listening to this song. It’s one of my favorite songs because it makes me feel like everything can be OK even when it’s upside down.
https://youtu.be/ECKs_u65ibs

NOTE: I’ve deleted parts of this comment because it had false ways of preventing the coronavirus. Please don’t spread misinformation of this sort in comments. One way that doesn’t work is gargling. See:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/health/coronavirus-cure-gargle-water.html
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Thanks Brian, as always, for keeping this blog up and running.
Thanks guys for posting the video links here.
Babaji is truly helping in every possible way.
HE has opened all the local centres as well to be operated as isolation camps.
I know for one near my place of residence – and all the volunteers are helping the local authorities in carrying out the activity at scale.
HE is also donating large sums of funds to deal with the disease
https://www.facebook.com/AAPkaArvind/posts/2765951200169026
to reiterate:
here is translation of what my Lord said in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w
“We are connected with the district administrators here,
for serving the food, for providing the space for Isolation Camps or just to admit people,
we have arranged all facilities within the centres for every person,
and going forward, whatever is there is for the people / sangat … all the doors shall always remain open for every individual.”
Love to all.
Wish you all a superb health.
Stay alert stay protected and ready yourself for the fight.
~OI

https://youtu.be/1TkXWOPAjC0
I think this could be interesting!
It is about the corona virus.
A very different vieuw on it.
Etc…

The biggest cause of strife in the world – RELIGION.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDvootNWuLQ
7777

Nicely song Sonia..
Love beautiful songs
Also shabds 💕

The biggest cause of strife in the world – RELIGION.
Posted by: Rob | April 02, 2020 at 07:45 AM
Which causes more strife, money or religion? 🤔
Historically I think more wars have been started in the name of religion but the primary motivating factor was money or greed.
Spiritually vs Materialism. Humans start wars usually with some pretense of ideological superiority. But at the foundation of almost every war wants is greed, imo.
I’m not demonizing either spirituality or materialism, I just think the majority of strife, famine and disease in the world is ultimately the result of greed on some level. Syndicates sell exotic animals at wet markets the way cartels distribute drugs. Both of these things have resulted in epidemics and a global pandemics.

This video was sent and recommended by one of our top local surgeons.
Watch “Covid_19_Protecting_Your_Family_Dr_Dave_Price_3_22_2020” on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/399733860?ref=em-share
The Doctor in the video works in NYC. It is a little slow moving at first but it tells you why you shouldn’t be afraid—shouldn’t live in fear, and what you can do to keep yourself safe.
This is the most sound and practical advice I’ve seen from a medical professional.

Thank you Sonia!
Very good to see /hear this Dr Dave Price!
Very well explaned in a simple way..
<3

I’m watching an ASPCA commercial while watching the latest corona virus news. Anyway, these commercials make me think we humans deserve a virus like this. 😖

Sometimes I think I’m posting to open thread when I’m actually on some other thread….
Anyway. I made it through April 3rd 2020. Woohoo 🙌
Down hill from here. 😉

After all of this C19 mess is over, I want to move to Paris and “retire”.

“Pink Moon”
https://youtu.be/irq959oNVww

“Pink Moon”
https://youtu.be/irq959oNVww
Posted by: anami | April 07, 2020 at 08:26 AM
OMG!!!!! So perfect!!
I saw the pink moon this evening. Doesn’t look pink on my iPhone, though. But so cool.
Have always loved Nick Drake. That album came out the year I was born. Such a talented artist… and like so many died too young. Overdosed on Elavil 🤢 (overdosing on an antidepressant would be about as much fun as getting electrocuted). People should really think before they do stuff like that. There are much easier ways to go. 😬 😐 But I’m not pro-suicide (for the record).

“the flu has sickened 36 million Americans since September and killed an estimated 22,000, according to the CDC, but those deaths are largely unreported.”
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate
Nobody lost their mind over those 22k dead. Why?
“An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention”
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017–2018-cdc-bn/index.html
Those 80,000 daed were in the winter of 2017/18. Nobody went insane and thought we should shut down the entire world. Why?
It’s interesting that Sweden is doing fine while not doing much at all to impoverish and imprison its citizens in their own homes or sending them into hysterical fits of panic. It’s especially strange since countries who are collectively going insane are doing worse in terms or rates of death and sickness.
It’s almost like losing your mind over a pandemic that isn’t happening isn’t a good idea??? I’m glad I got over my fear of this thing fast. I feel really free right now.
But it likely won’t last because the greatest economic depression of all time is probably coming due to this lockup. Thanks to all the religious belief in governments and faith in media conglomerate-provided “experts” for that. Cult thinking doesn’t end when the cultish convert to pop-secularism or “science.”

Jainism does not support belief in a creator deity. According to Jain doctrine, the universe and its constituents—soul, matter, space, time, and principles of motion—have always existed. All the constituents and actions are governed by universal natural laws. It is not possible to create matter out of nothing and hence the sum total of matter in the universe remains the same (similar to law of conservation of mass). Jain text claims that the universe consists of Jiva (life force or souls) and Ajiva (lifeless objects). Similarly, the soul of each living being is unique and uncreated and has existed since beginningless time.[38]
The Jain theory of causation holds that a cause and its effect are always identical in nature and hence a conscious and immaterial entity like God cannot create a material entity like the universe. Furthermore, according to the Jain concept of divinity, any soul who destroys its karmas and desires, achieves liberation/Nirvana. A soul who destroys all its passions and desires has no desire to interfere in the working of the universe. Moral rewards and sufferings are not the work of a divine being, but a result of an innate moral order in the cosmos; a self-regulating mechanism whereby the individual reaps the fruits of his own actions through the workings of the karmas.
Through the ages, Jain philosophers have adamantly rejected and opposed the concept of creator and omnipotent God. This has resulted in Jainism being labeled as nastika darsana (atheist philosophy) by rival religious philosophies. The theme of non-creationism and absence of omnipotent God and divine grace runs strongly in all the philosophical dimensions of Jainism, including its cosmology, concepts of karma and moksa and its moral code of conduct. Jainism asserts a religious and virtuous life is possible without the idea of a creator god.

the call for a vaccine rises and Bill Gates and his cronies profit.
Posted by: Rob | April 06, 2020 at 10:29 AM
An interesting interview. Worth watching.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=xf-qv9o8nq8&fbclid=IwAR3zbFBxRR5_63rBzAo499l2FFpaaKkIW7WD8f9Bx8Vj9LAPLnYlmEYrVxY
And one other related news
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/a-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-funded-by-bill-gates-is-set-to-begin-testing-in-people-with-the-first-patient-expected-to-get-it-today/ar-BB12e01f

Trevor that is indeed very interesting..
Brrr I do’nt want vaccination..
Just live as healthy as possible.
Plantbased..
Live a clean healthy life as much as possible and that must do…
It’s a strange world,always was..,always will be..
It is more relaxed in some places less polution less noice..
But also difficulties financial speaking for lots of people.
We as people are to much materialised so bad for nature..
Maybe there comes a change trough this ..
I regret the also Indian people who are in trouble.
Hope very much for the best..
Life is unbelievebel weird and stange…
Back to nature…<3..

That’s the interesting thing about people who don’t want vaccinations. The corona virus has changed the game. I could understand the arguments against vaccinations before all this (not that I was personally opposed) just like I agree antibiotics have been way over prescribed and that has led to even more problems.
But in extreme situations they are necessary. If someone refuses to be vaccinated against this novel corona virus then die to the very nature of this new virus, that person has become a public health threat. They could easily infect hundreds and kill a certain percentage of those people simply because they chose not to be vaccinated.
The purposeful spread of the corona virus is now being treated like an act of terrorism in this country.
Theoretically, everyone who chooses not to be vaccinated will only be able to infect and potentially kill others who choose not to be vaccinated. But that’s not really fair because some people may not have access to a vaccine for this for one weird reason or another (like children of parents who don’t believe in vaccines).
This may sound harsh, but it’s something to really think about. These are different times. The playing field has changed and it is not morally responsible to willingly take the risk of potentially infecting, possibly killing other people.
How did we wipe out TB in the US? I appreciate all those who were vaccinated so that I didn’t have to worry about getting that dreadful disease.

About ten days ago the news was that everyone in Washington was going to die because there simply weren’t enough ventilators for the mile long lines of corona victims gasping for air and choking outside of hospitals.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/washington-may-get-only-a-fraction-of-the-ventilators-it-requested-from-the-federal-government-to-fight-the-coronavirus/
But just a few days later they not only don’t need more ventilators to save the many trillions and gazillions of desperate and dying people, but they’re actually sending the respirators away. They play some little tricks in the article about the ventilators being “generally” unsuitable for corona patients, but it’s irrelevant because the main point they’re making is that there are less conrona’d in hospitals overall in Washington, the place where the corona outbreak started in US and where the “experts” aka the mouths on the news reported would be the highest number of deaths. They themselves would have needed the extra ventilators for their other patients if things were so bad.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/washington-sending-over-400-ventilators-for-non-coronavirus-patients-to-new-york-harder-hit-states/
This whole thing is idiotic. It mentions the big hospital the military built, but does anyone know if it was ever used? China built hospitals too, but I think they soon figured out that this disease isn’t the plague like we thought, and they shut the places down. Hate Trump all you want but he was right when he said Chinese are smart. Funny, too, that Trump is a blathering moron, but we’re supposed to have religious faith in the words of people he hires? Why would I trust moron-appointed experts?
Anyone remember the headlines just a month ago saying 98 million dead this year from corona? That’s the sort of “expert” opinion all these government policies were based on. One report from “experts” in UK said we’d be having 50,000 daily deaths in USA soon. So far we have about 13,000 in total and are basically on schedule to have a normal flu season, but with the added bonus of record breaking unemployment which could lead to record breaking violent social unrest.
The Cult of Experts is infinitely dumber than the Radha Soami cult.

The Cult of Experts is infinitely dumber than the Radha Soami cult.
Posted by: Jesse | April 08, 2020 at 08:20 AM
Wow is that a compliment? Your so smart Jesse. Why can’t we all be like you???

The Cult of Experts is infinitely dumber than the Radha Soami cult.
Posted by: Jesse | April 08, 2020 at 08:20 AM
Jesse for POTUS. He is the one sure shot to make America great again.

” These are different times. The playing field has changed”
Yes, lower numbers of death mean we must accept more extreme government intervention and paranoia. That makes sense.
It’s almost like America and the entire western world not only didn’t learn anything from the nearly 20 years of lies starting with 9/11, or Vietnam or World War 2 for that matter, and instead decided to double down on blind belief and faith in the face of the ever increasing boldness of lies told by our governments.
There is atrocity propaganda coming out now in order to spin this manufactured paranoia to somehow harm China that says the Chinese are burning corona victims alive. Kind of reminiscent of another big myth that was used to get USA into a devastating war that killed nearly 100 million people, most of whom were forgotten because they were of the wrong religion.

2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-is-the-coronavirus-pandemic-different-from-a-flu-pandemic-2020-4
Spanish flu pandemic vs Swine flu pandemic vs Covid19 pandemic
https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-pandemic-vs-swine-flu.html

There is atrocity propaganda coming out now in order to spin this manufactured paranoia to somehow harm China that says the Chinese are burning corona victims alive. Kind of reminiscent of another big myth that was used to get USA into a devastating war that killed nearly 100 million people, most of whom were forgotten because they were of the wrong religion.
Posted by: Jesse | April 08, 2020 at 10:08 AM
Right. Because the Chinese are completely transparent and pro-democracy, pro-freedom of speech. I can see how we should believe everything they say.

@jesse,
Do you even know the difference between a known and unknown risk?
I bet you pass your days now in the midst of Covid19 patients without wearing a PPE.
Do share with us all a picture of you with such patients.
This will surely prove your point of this whole thing is a set of tricks being played by the Cult of Experts.

Curveball. Most New York City cases trace to Europe…
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-08/most-nyc-covid-19-cases-came-from-europe-genome-researchers-say

[NOTE FROM BRIAN: This comment is not true. Jen, I checked the last hundred or so comments you’ve submitted. All have been published.]
Hi Jesse, just want to let you know that the following post using the name “Jen” is not me, the Jen who has been commenting on the Churchless site for over 10 years now. Will call myself Jeni from now on, whether that will make a difference with trolls, I don’t know. Brian does not let some of my comments through but he does not seem to mind if a troll is using someone else’s name.
“Wow is that a compliment? Your so smart Jesse. Why can’t we all be like you???
Posted by: Jen | April 08, 2020 at 09:23 AM”

Here we go again, selective “expert” quoting to maintain the religious beliefs. “My expert whose been proven wrong 100 times said panic, and by golly I’m gonna listen!”
Whether or not Wuhan China Lung AIDS is similar to the flu or not means absolutely nothing. What is being pointed out is that the predictions of The Holy Experts have been wrong by orders of magnitude. It doesn’t matter what you call the virus, or what risks they imagined it presented. It’s that “experts” were WRONG. Wrong at literally every single turn about every single aspect of this disease.
You don’t continue believing wrong predictions unless you’re religious. Just as most of you wouldn’t believe in the repeated failed prophecies of a doomsday preacher, you should similarly refrain from believing “experts” just because they have important sounding letters after their names and repeat that the true faith is science. The “experts” have been no more accurate than a Greek oracle, but far less interesting and lacking all fun, mysteriousness and aesthetics.
I don’t deserve the pain everyone else’s thoughtlessness is gonna bring on me, but it’s unavoidable. Thanks, society. You suck.
At least we’re almost guaranteed to see the end of this evil things called “democracy” soon.
“Right. Because the Chinese are completely transparent and pro-democracy, pro-freedom of speech. I can see how we should believe everything they say.”
Good point, Sonia, but the report is from Radio Free Asia. Not the Chinese.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia
“Radio Free Asia (RFA) is a United States government–funded, nonprofit international broadcasting corporation that broadcasts and publishes online news, information and commentary to readers and listeners in East Asia. ”
tldr; RFA is an American propaganda station funded by our intelligence agencies.
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-cremations-04062020143043.html
Everyone here is making fun of me, which is fine, but do tell, how much money have you lost investing in pyramid schemes and other sure shots as advised by “experts”? I’m an expert in a number of things myself. Let me know if you want my BTC wallet address. I’d love to expertly advise you for a small fee.

Some sacrilege and blasphemy from an unholy expert who isn’t featured on the news who politely calls bullshit on panic virus numbers. His false religion will not incite the shamanic ecstasy of adrenaline and fear that you desire-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6MZy-2fcBw
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
“In the past most of these claims where major epidemics that would be devastating, eventually the projections and the predictions that were made early on were not validated. So the early estimates suggested that this would have a tremendous amount of mortality and the cumulative number of deaths would be amazing. Eventually the number of deaths were far more modest than the original projections.”
Sounds similar to something happening today.
“Dr John P.A. Ioannidis is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.”
This guy sounds boring. I want someone who makes me FEEL things and has really cool nipple piercings like Andrew Cuomo, governor and hype artist of NY.

@Trevor
More specifically, what I meant was I can’t tell if you actually like Trump or not.

Jane
Thanks for the perspective. Have not got much into Jainism. However I believe some of the best temples in India are Jain constructions. My wife and I were awed at the craft we witnessed at Ranukpur. And one of our coolest ever adventures involved a trip to a place called Srvanabelagola where you walk up this granite hill to see the statue of Gomateshvara a Jain deity – very memorable.
tucson if you are reading this –
Great surf vid. Waves of consequence – some of those guys got seriously pitched!
Nearest I ever got to Cloudbreak was a reef at a Resort on the main island and it was 4 foot not 20+
Still riding?
Best wishes to all

@Jesse,
OK, now that everyone’s jumping on you (and I usually like to support the underdog) I’m going to have two thoroughly read those links you sent and give an unusually thoughtful response.
However, I accidentally double dosed a med that I’ve been taking for 27 years. 1 dose is perfect. 2 doses electrifies your brain for almost 24 hours. Today was the worst day I’ve had all year mood wise.
But enough about me (my favorite subject 😂), I’ll get to you tomorrow. I’m really gonna have to dig to the bottom of this RFA propaganda thing.

Jeni, I wouldn’t mind even if you did taunt me. I probably deserve it since, as anyone can see, my online demeanor isn’t always exactly friendly.
But I do feel that it’s necessary that we all take a step back and really assess this pandemic and question instead of have faith in popular experts. I’m hoping that being rude snaps people out of their faith based approach to analysis.
Hopefully you get to keep your original name. Jeni isn’t quite the same.

Hello Coronavirus Lock Down Prisoners,…..
It’s been so long since I stirred the Pot here, that I imagine you all forgot me, and imagine the CV got me? Well, I’m OK, locked in,…but still sneak out to ride my Harley in the Mountains, when it’s warm and sunny.
Some time ago, in fact, many times, I posted Links to Allan Chronshaw’s Web Sites and forums, and challenged any Articulate Debaters like Osho, Manjit, David Lane, or evening Brian Hines to go there and stir Mr. Chronshaw’s Pot. If any of you rode to the challenge, I never saw any one even show up there, because I have been the only Pot stirring Sant Mat Preacher that had ever survived the constant, dsily attacks, just about every time I stir there.
Well, I was in for a pleasant surprise when I finally woke up one day, to find a Post in Allan’s forum where I had been constantly being assaulted. This Poster must have seen my challenge some where in the past, and during the Lock Down, decided to check Allan Chronshaw out, and ask him a few questions. I was just getting to know him a little, and trying to help him out, when he unsubscribed from the forum once he started being attacked for trying to help me. Then, I just ran across his blog where he wrote about his Adventure. Here is the Link! He was braver than any one here to take the Challenge. I think only Jessie could survive in that hostile environment. Here is the Link
http://highwaytimes.com/my-encounter-with-the-brother-of-jesus/
Cheers, Jim Sutherland

https://youtu.be/Zf-iV2wPYNs

“With regard to your quoting the scriptures to me, I just love it when you quote the words that my own Soul’s personality originally wrote.”
Schizo.
“Shalom Lying Pankaj:”
Great stuff, Jim. That Pankaj dude was sort of asking for it, though the reincarnation of an apostle, were he real, should have been spiritually developed enough to maintain a cool demeanor when assaulted with annoying Radha Soami tripe.
I was hoping to see more Origen quotes since I’d been reading one of his letters a few days ago, but the convo went downhill fast and the references were all replaced with rage reactions.
Also, I had no idea who “whole” meant in the original Greek. It seems there are many Bible words that have been very poorly translated. I asked a local priest what he thought about the best interpretation of “daily” bread is, and he had no idea that it was an “hapax legomenon”, or a word that doesn’t exist elsewhere. Now that I had to look that word up, I learned that there are 686 of them in the New Testament, which makes me wonder if anyone knows what any of that book means.
Jim, you gotta stay in that forum and argue more with those guys. It’s good for your soul. Way better than meditation.

My sister posted this vid on Facebook. Not sure it will pass Brian’s foul language rules, but I couldn’t resist trying to share it here in an Open Thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGOZ9eN_rpA

@Jessie,……..Why don’t you come over there and help me a little to stir that Shalom Ebionite Pot, Jessie? It’s a perfect Pot fir you to join e your skills, because unlike here, you will get PLENTY friendly Shaloms,…..until you ask Allan a loaded question,…then his hypnotized Choir will trot out to crucify you. Allan has about 6-8 Core Disciples, that he has Hypnotically regressed in to Past Life Regression. One of them is even a practicing Medical Doctor in a Hospital! Allan claims his soul lived as the Brother of zjesus, I.e., Janes, and he waked and talked with Jesus, 2000 years ago. But he, James, authored, and wrote the original New Testement, which was Matthew, and was written in zhe rew letters. He says Constantine in the 4th venture, revised all of the New Testament, and the Apostle Paul, was The span of the devil used to corrupt the original Ebionite Bible Allen ss James authored with The help of his brother, Jesus. The Regressed Doctor says he was there and that Allan is superior to Jesus now ,because he is revising the present New Testament back in to what it was before the Romans changed it. Allan says his soul also lived as Thomas Paine, as well as some other well known characters. . One of his Core followers , Emmanuel, , claims he was Origen, and another claims he was George aWashington, and another, claims he was Thomas Jefferson. Then, they all claim to have helped Allan author and implement the Constitution of the summer.S. Along with Donald Trump who has reincarnated again to protect the Constitution. You can’t just make this stuff up!! It’s not a Game. They really believe it, and they say I have been following a Allan in those past lives to keep oppressing him, as the Romans did Jesus! It was in that Group where I met Richard Ruquest, Ph.D. , the Physicist, and we Tag Teamed Allan together in 2014, until I introduced a Richard to Sant Mat and he was initiated by Ishwar Puri in 2015. I know that Hypnotists have key Control words to snap those they have once hypnotized back in to Control, and instead of snapping his fingers, Allan says,….SHALOM,…..and ell of his Core Members he onve regressed, snap back in to formation and circle around him to praise and protect him. Allan might sound like a Joke, but when you look at all of his writings, there is enough there to keep Sant Mat Initiates busy enough to read during their entire 4 lives!
Jessie, come have dome fun. You will get much stimulation there. The was to get in, you must send an email to the email address in the Link in the Article. Say you have been reading Allan’s Web sites, and would like to become a a member of his forum to sdk him a few questions to help you understand the Bible better. Be polite!! Once they accept you, don’t cone right out of the Gate swinging, becauseyou will be on moderation for seversl posts until they trust you enough to let you post fter,y. You can ask Allan any herd question, and he will dump an 18 Wheeler load of Links he had written yo ander all of your questions. They won’t kick you off the forum as long as you don’t cuss, or use fowl language. But Allan will never dodge any questions, but he will rage like a Bull, and try to give you his horns when you don’t accept his answers as Truth!! All fun, but keeping his Ankle biting followers off of you will take patience, and you better enter Allan’s forum wearing high leather Snake Boots, bedside you eill be ankle bitten every tine you post. Do you dare accept my challenge to hone your debating skills? I think they put me back under moderation when I tried to support the poor Dude in the forum, but they will miss me and will bait me to.come back when the forum gets boring again and hies silent. Come on over and join the,………..Zoo, Bring Osho with you. He’s used to getting sucker punched by Security Guards. The quickest way you can get in, is tell them that you are anEx Sant Mat believer, and need help getting back to the Bible! Allan will love on you immediately, and tell you all about how,SamtmMat meditation is like,Head Sex masturbation, then you can go Kumbya with him. . HaHa
Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

Only because of my deep respect for you, Manjit, i decided to read the long article you linked. I don’t think it’s 20 pages, but it’s really good.
But how can you read both of those articles and find them to both be quality? The one from NYT is thoughtless quotes from experts such as SNOPES (lol) all arranged in a way to not so subtly implore the public into believing without questioning, and the other is basically the exact opposite. Philosophical, unbelieving, without agenda.
The entire time he asks questions and asks that we don’t believe anything and even entertains to some degree the same so-called conspiracies that NYT would diagnose you as mentally disabled for failing to disregard fast enough.
To think both of those pieces of writing were worth reading is similar to thinking incense and feces both smell good. I truly do not get it, but thanks for posting the Eisenstein one. I’m sending to one of my fellow disbeliever friends.

@JIM
Don’t forget U Sir, neither your music
I m not a Jew but born catholic. – I enjoyed so much
Rabbi Friedman
They don’t know about the mind apparently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzFUXKk2B4I

Does anyone want to bet that if/when the real pain from the economic fallout begins, Donald Trump will be blamed for it, even though the entire thing was forced on him by a paranoia he tried to ignore?
The anti-Trump cult must blame him for everything because its a core tenet of their religion.

MODI – GURINDER but much longer
Can. anybody translate Pls. ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY6nqOew_yo
💥

It would be nice if all persons
treated in a Radha Soami Premises
would regain health in an hour
Radha Soami
💥💥

The long version of modi and Babaji is just the same thing on 5 time repeat. 😊

https://youtu.be/iqETBlxqBf4
How Seva is done at the Dera under the guidance of the master.

MODI – GURINDER but much longer
Can. anybody translate Pls. ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY6nqOew_yo
💥
Posted by: 💥 | April 10, 2020 at 08:18 AM
@777,
Here is an older Post which should help.
——————————x—————————————–x
Better vid of Gurinder, April 1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w
If any of our friends from India can translate, much appreciated.
Posted by: j | April 01, 2020 at 12:01 PM
So earlier this week the PM reached out to a few prominent and well regarded Religious Heads which also included Babaji.
In the video, the reporter mentions that Babaji has assured the PM that he Is available for any kind of service and that the doors of RSSB are open for the needy and that they are in constant touch with the administration to coordinate all relief measures so that the suffering of the impacted people can be alleviated.
He can be heard saying to the PM “We are in touch with all the district administrators here on distributing food, isolation wards or providing shelter to people and that all these facilities have been readied and going forward too, all resources is for the sangat and our doors will always remain open for the sangat.”
I understand instructions that he has left with the Sevadars is that nobody is to go hungry. So centres will scale up to whatever is asked of them. Delhi for instance was serving 28k meals twice a day, a few days ago but already with a capacity of over 50+ meals twice.
What I am aware is these services are already being availed by the administration in the states of Punjab, Haryana, Jammu and Kashmir, Uttar Pradesh and Delhi. It could be at more places too. But not to my knowledge.
Posted by: A Wise 🦉 | April 01, 2020 at 08:58 PM

But according to my mother-in-law, Charan was asked what happened to Queen Victoria when she died and he replied that she became a tree. 🤣 I
by Sonia Taylor
Good karma is that for a non initiate ( as opposed to Judas ) , . . .
I guess because Victoria had paid the salaries of several
Grand SatGurus
It could have been worse , . . later perhaps after the Delhi_piss-tree : like being a comet without a tail, each cycle closer to the fire, . . . Brrrrrrrr. !
7

https://youtu.be/iqETBlxqBf4
How Seva is done at the Dera under the guidance of the master.
Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2020 at 09:51 AM
That’s really and truly beautiful. And I hate to be nit picky at a time like this, but everyone needs to make sure their face masks are also covering their noses. Otherwise AMAZING 🙌

“How Seva is done at the Dera under the guidance of the master.”
More like the guidance of everyone else but “master.”
“Master” wasn’t even there, and is probably instead hanging out with his high class friends looking for business opportunities and properties to buy from those who are now impoverished.
Didn’t someone just recently say that RSSB didn’t advertise its charity? I guess we can now call that person a liar without guilt.

https://youtu.be/tgffDVO2UyA
Wow – I love it
7

Beware of religious organizations that require implicit trust without question.
https://youtu.be/Af2ygn68Pi4

Didn’t someone just recently say that RSSB didn’t advertise its charity? I guess we can now call that person a liar without guilt.
Posted by: Jesse | April 10, 2020 at 01:30 PM
@Jesse,
The funny thing is that much of what the RSSB Spiritual Teachers teach isn’t totally understand. Even by us newer initiates.
Like how the promotion of competition on who can love the world better like Jesus did, or in other words who can be the best superhero like Superman.
This type of competition is never frowned on by True Spiritual Teachers. So like, media dig in if you’re fast enough!

Beware of religious organizations that require implicit trust without question.
https://youtu.be/Af2ygn68Pi4
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | April 10, 2020 at 05:21 PM
Just wanted to add to this—the above link is what a real cult looks like.
Half of GSD’s trips are spent giving Q&A so I don’t think it qualifies as a cult.

“I thought we’d be more focused on discussing the science behind this disease and the search for a cure or vaccine.”
I’d prefer to not pretend to be scientists, and instead have a discussion about why a global pandemic touted as world changing , with predictions of 98 million dead, killed less people than the flu did 2 years ago, and almost all of who died were elderly and had preexisting conditions.
Many of those reported as dying from corona didn’t even die of flu or coronavirus such as that police lieutenant in Wisconsin whose daughter said “My papa never died of this virus! And the media and lying ass government is fraud! He had health issues way before this even happened!”
It’s a purely political and social event. If there’s any science to discuss, it’s the science of mass hysteria.

“Master” wasn’t even there, and is probably instead hanging out with his high class friends looking for business opportunities and properties to buy from those who are now impoverished.
Posted by: Jesse | April 10, 2020 at 01:30 PM
What the fuck do you know about the happenings at Dera and the whereabouts of their Master these days??
Stop these moronic comments of yours. Try harder from now on.

Didn’t someone just recently say that RSSB didn’t advertise its charity? I guess we can now call that person a liar without guilt.
Posted by: Jesse | April 10, 2020 at 01:30 PM
Long way to go for an understanding of the difference between information and advertising to dawn.
For some even a lifetime might not be enough.

“What the fuck do you know about the happenings at Dera and the whereabouts of their Master these days??”
I know everything. I’m the true inner master.

I love the randomness of Open Threads.
Here’s another fun, cool site you should check out. It gives a more objective perspective on how each country is doing as part of a global community.
http://www.goodcountry.org/

“…that police lieutenant in Wisconsin whose daughter said ‘My papa never died of this virus! And the media and lying ass government is fraud! He had health issues way before this even happened!'”
Dear Jesse,
The quote sounded dubious to me, so I looked it up and found something similar, but I think your source put words in the daughter’s mouth and mixed up two different people, probably on purpose, because who wouldn’t believe a police lieutenant’s daughter?
https://www.wisn.com/article/coronavirus-wisconsin-victims-what-we-know/31880850
The article is about coronavirus deaths in Wisconsin, and lists some 25 people. Second on the list is Robert Blackbird. He had a daughter who “said her father never exhibited any coronavirus symptoms before he died,” but her words stopped there. She didn’t editorialize about the media and government, nor, looking at her other quotes, did she seem the type to use harsh language. Fourth on the list is Lenard Wells, who “retired in 2001 after 28 years with the Milwaukee Police Department as a lieutenant.” He was the police lieutenant, not the guy with the daughter.
Granted, Robert Blackbird was 91 and could’ve died of anything at that point, but why twist it all up, except to make trouble and weaken what’s left of rationality?
Personally, I would’ve kept going to work on the assumption I’d get sick sooner or later, recover and move on, but the business is non-essential and was ordered not to operate. In hindsight it was probably for the best, because I’ve never had contemporaries die of the flu. C19 is different. My wife and I know of mild cases and moderate cases, but we also know of cases that required hospitalization, and we know of four mortalities. Between us, three friends of friends have died and the colleague of a colleague’s husband.
You could say that it’s an effect of greater awareness because of “mass hysteria,” but we’re only in our 50’s, and death by any cause in our age group has always been unusual enough to reach our ears. AIDS, suicide, cancer, brain aneurism, alcoholism, heart attack? Yes. But for four people to up and die with a respiratory bug in the same two months? No.
Well, maybe we’re talking about two different stories. Can you link us to your source?

“I posted Links to Allan Chronshaw’s Web Sites and forums, and challenged any Articulate Debaters like Osho, Manjit, David Lane, or evening Brian Hines to go there and stir Mr. Chronshaw’s Pot.”
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | April 08, 2020 at 07:01 PM
Visited that pastor’s website. Beyond what you were correct on about his claims of having previous lives, one of his blogs I randomly clicked made a bit of sense:
“Like all religions, Islam became corrupted as soon as it was placed in the hands of the counterfeit religious leaders who came after Mohammad.”
http://brotherofyeshua.blogspot.com/2007/05/another-spiritually-disenfranchised.html
Not sure how spiritually advanced the man may be, I can’t argue when he states on his About page that:
(In his)
The Ten Key Points
Of The Original Teachings Of TheWay
“By emerging out of the “outer darkness” (see …) — and thereby coming to Know One’s True Self (see …), this will then enable us to Know God — not through dogma, faith or belief, but through the same Oneness as our brother Jesus.” (quote links omitted)
http://cronshaw.nazirene.org

Hi All,…….especially Jessie:
Here is a Link to another controversial Sant Mat discussion. The Author invites comments. About 20 years ago, I use to communicate privately with the late Michael Martin, who most Satsangis I knew dispised, and in turn, hated me also, because I would support Martin in David Lane’s RSS forum, when he kept getting attacked. But in one of our private conversations. Michael told me that he had met Jesus inside, and he described him to me. I since have lost his email, as that old computer crashed and I lost off of the contents. But the Jesus Michael described to me privately , was very much similar to the Jesus that Julian Johnson wrote about here.
http://highwaytimes.com/julian-johnsons-communication-with-jesus-and-his-getting-ready-for-work-in-america/

“The quote sounded dubious to me”
It was from the daughter of was Lenard Wells from the page you linked.
The quote is from her Instagram page that she just set to private. The account name is kiaaa.a
And seeing that sites like YouTube are taking down videos and deleting accounts for the crime of showing footage from hospitals that aren’t busy, I’m not surprised that family members quotes aren’t being included in articles.
You and your wife personally are having an experience that sucks and I can sympathize with you, but it doesn’t explain much because more people had the same experience as you 2 years ago when many more people died from the flu.

Jim, I remember most of that letter from when I read it years ago. Do you believe in those stories? It seems like the description of Jesus by Julian is sort of what one would expect from that era. It’s like the Theosopohical, New Age or one of the schools of ascended master kind of theories.

Andrea Bocelli will be streaming a live concert today, Easter Sunday. Starts in a couple of hours.
He will sing at the Duomo cathedral in Milan without an audience.
Entitled ‘Music for Hope’, the concert will be live on Andrea Bocelli’s Youtube channel – Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huTUOek4LgU
Sd/-

@Karim,……Thant’s for checking out Allan. He would be insulted if you entered his forum and accused him of being a Pastor, Preacher, Teacher or Master. He says he is only a Guide, and doesn’t want any followers. Do you believe he is the Brother of Jesus reincarnated? You should join his forum and ask him to show you how he enters The Kingdom within, as His Brother Jesus must have taught him. Also, why don’t you subscribe to the comments on the Brother of Jesus Link I posted, as one of Allan’s members is there telling the author how ignorant Indians are, and why Sant Mat is Eastern milk as compared to Allan’s Western teachings. You can comment, then click subscribe to comments and emails, and you’ll be in the loop. No doubt, the Indian Author of the Article about his short experiences in Allan’s forum would be interesting to most of the readers here who subscribe and share comments.
Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

@Jessie,…..I have never seen Jesus, so can’t corroborate his physical appearance. But I HAVE seen Charan Singh, inside, who looked exactly as he did in his later years, and spoke to me, with his recognizable accent, and gave me personal advice, and touched me on my shoulder. So, I can’t discount what JJ saw, but do know what I saw.
Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

Andrea Bocelli will be streaming a live concert today, Easter Sunday. Starts in a couple of hours.
He will sing at the Duomo cathedral in Milan without an audience.
Entitled ‘Music for Hope’, the concert will be live on Andrea Bocelli’s Youtube channel – Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huTUOek4LgU
Sd/-
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | April 12, 2020 at 08:19 AM
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing!
I’m not big on holidays especially when things feel forced and people start complaining about all the work they have to do to get ready for the holiday (what’s the point?) but I don’t mind Easter. And probably only because it is when Spring comes alive in this part of the world.
One thing I’ve never understood is how everything stays green and the bougainvilleas are always in bloom at the Dera year round despite the weather. It’s lovely (and curious).

Jim Sutherland
Yes, HE gives each of us what we need
to be , at highlight – HIM, …. His Guru, That One’s Guru
just what we need and (actually) can survive
777
Zillions of alien spacies, Angels too, are begging for that 7th Chakra
and are powerless even while crossing our sun for fuel

Zillions of alien spacies, Angels too, are begging for that 7th Chakra
and are powerless even while crossing our sun for fuel
Posted by: 💥.💥.💥.💥.💥.💥.💥. | April 12, 2020 at 03:07 PM
OMG, I was just thinking about aliens. LOL.
I’ve never believed in aliens even though I know several otherwise normal people who do. It’s just never interested me. However, I came across the SETI.org site today and started to wonder…
I’ve had a few weird experiences but I dislike the idea of aliens so much (I guess because it just seems sooooooo illogical) that I have created some pretty rational explanations for those “encounters”. It’s funny, I’m not into aliens but totally believe in inner experiences. Of course, not much happens when I sit in meditation, but I sit anyway… like I’m supposed to. 🙂
I must say, I’ve been on my best behavior lately. I’m going to pat myself on the back now. LOL

Hey, Jesse.
“It was from the daughter of was Lenard Wells from the page you linked.”
Who should we believe, Lenard’s daughter or the Milwaukee Medical Examiner and the Wisconsin Department of Health Services?
https://fox6now.com/2020/03/22/69-year-old-retired-milwaukee-police-officer-died-from-covid-19/
Choose your poison, I guess.
“…it doesn’t explain much because more people had the same experience as you 2 years ago when many more people died from the flu.”
That’s tricky. Let’s compare statistics.
First Covid-19. As I write, Worldometer shows 22,115 coronavirus deaths in the USA out of 560,433 cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Now the flu. You mentioned flu season two years ago. For the USA 2017-2018 season the CDC estimated 61,000 deaths out of 45,000,000 cases.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
A big difference is in death rates. Doing the math, two years ago the flu killed 1 out of every 738 cases in the USA. So far, Coronavirus has killed 1 out of 25 cases in the USA.
The deaths I know were in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. NY and NJ alone account for almost half the US cases and deaths.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
I think that explains it. Coronavirus cases and deaths are more concentrated around me than the flu ever was; therefore, I’m more likely to have a social connection.
That brings us back to social distancing. Again, according to my math, we’re seeing one coronavirus death out of every 25 infected in the US (4% death rate, based on the Worldometer numbers). If we had as many coronavirus cases in the US as cases of flu two years ago, 1.8 million would die. I’m surprised by 4%. Weeks ago, it was more like 2%. Let’s say it turns out to be only 1%. That’s 450,000 deaths and still 7 times more than the flu in our heavy 2017-2018 season.
Sweden is an interesting topic though, because as you once pointed out, it’s business more or less as usual (with light restrictions and voluntary preventions against the spread). USA has 1,639 cases per 1 million population, Sweden has 1,038. USA has 67 deaths per million, Sweden has 89. Sweden has fewer cases per million but more deaths per million.
Sweden has had 10,483 cases total and 899 deaths. That’s 1 death out of every 12 cases, twice as high as our 1 out of 25. Why more deaths per million and deaths per infection? It’s possible that strong initial exposure makes it harder for the body to mount a defense. I read that Swedes like social distance to begin with, already embrace work from home, and the majority live in single households without children, so when cases crop up, they must be from prolonged interactions.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/06/how-does-the-coronavirus-behave-inside-a-patient

@ Hi Sonia
There is no sharp edge between several states of consciousness
One can have (be aware) all 7 or 49 (theosophical ) at the same time.
Likewise The Sant Mat regions and their paraphernalia , conscious / unconscious, . .
you can take them as what was given for a certain life experience
If we, with simple understanding suddenly would see
certain new parts , we would fall totally crazy, insane and worse
So be careful with meditations without a guide/caretaker
who knows the environments
and authorised to give us initiation_infallible_space-suit
I wrote a comment about that long ago – don’t try enter “sunna” the black is sticky there
777

777,
I have a guide. Why would you think I don’t? I’m still initiated. ☺️

777,
Although with my behavior over the past year He just might leave me at the astral realm with all the disembodied spirits. 😬😱😑☹️🥺

Sonia your guide is not a punisher. He is the most compassionate one you can come across (as much as you may thing otherwise). He always says we all need to learn from our mistakes and don’t make them again. Very simple.

@SONIA
LOOK FOREWARD SEEING U
AT THE ASTRAL NURSING
My Atzheimer thought you declared that
but there is to much of U to find that
Andrew initiated : from Satsang family haha. sounds like data-reset-ted
“”” Of course, not much happens when I sit in meditation, but I sit anyway… like I’m supposed to. :). “”””
Do the Ofc away plus all other thoughts
It might be helpful when Inner_Gurinder stroked
us when we had just a thought
🙂
777

@Sonia
Question 4U
Do you remember how it felt : the first month
ever you felt a heavy Crush 4 someone
Did U think much?
No names here , just about the feel
77

You can comment, then click subscribe to comments and emails, and you’ll be in the loop.
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | April 12, 2020 at 08:30 AM
Already apart of the loop, brother.

“I dislike the idea of aliens so much (I guess because it just seems sooooooo illogical)”
Really? You think that this one tiny insignificant little planet called Earth is the only one thats populated? There are probably many more worlds with highly advanced and much more intelligent beings than what we are. They are probably just keeping an eye on us because humans are very unstable and aggressive and seem to love dropping bombs and going to war and killing each other. I think we took birth on this planet because we can learn such a lot and evolve into a much better being. I hope there is such a thing as reincarnation because it gives me the desire to do my best here in this lifetime and look forward to my next adventure on another more advanced world (wishful thinking I know).

He is the most compassionate one you can come across (as much as you may thing otherwise). He always says we all need to learn from our mistakes and don’t make them again. Very simple.
Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | April 13, 2020 at 09:31 AM
This is very good post.
Something even I need remember. 🤔

They’re saying that nearly every hospital recorded death is being attributed to coronavirus which means that all other death statistics have decreased since pandemic kicked in.
This means that deaths related to all other ailments are not getting recognized as frequently as they were before the covid19 pandemic.
So statistics are actually blurred because medical records are being taken as mostly attributable to the virus and not to other issues.
How many flu deaths this last 3 months? Probably nil. Compared to how many flu deaths Jan – April 2019?
Another issue I have just seen as a non partisan outsider (non USA citizen) just witnessed Bernie Sanders endorsement of Joe Biden as opposition democratic candidate to contest upcoming election.
If Biden is the American democratic hope to lead USA in current climate of major catastrophic conditions and in the terse economic conditions prevalent, and conflict of interest with China and other major political powers worldwide. Then God help America (and the planet) because he don’t have what it takes to cut it at the cutting edge of a world in upheaval and transition.
If there’s going to be a war which is not out of possible result in this pressure predicament I don’t think national and world economy rebooting or rebuilding is something Biden or ordinary people can deal with, it’s going to take someone with far deeper resolve and grit and thick skin to handle whatever is coming down through the next decade under havoc and critical shifting of social reality.
Personally I think Trump is going to take the election possibly easier than he did previously.

Here is my two cents y to do away the Corona
I place it here because apart from Spence
more readers here work in hospitals
When I have a little infection in my throat
I open my mouth very wide and illuminate 2 seconds
With a 32 Watt water disinfecting UV lamp
At half a foot distance
Because the water bactery/virus killing lamp contains the worst
Frequencies, I cover my head with a towel, leaving
An opening where my mouth is
THE 100% RESULT IS FELT IN 5 MINUTES, EVEN TWO!
I thought if throats, traces, and upper lung parts
Perhaps more,
Could be treated , this virus &nd future families will be finished

Everyone has their own personal power. Its not ego. We learn a lot in this life and in my 70’s now I look back and am grateful that I became a satsangi and still following the main principles.
Forgot to change my name in previous comment.
Couple of Zen quotes, made me smile…
If at first you don’t succeed, skydiving is not for you.
Always remember that you’re unique, just like everyone else…

@Sonia
Question 4U
Do you remember how it felt : the first month
ever you felt a heavy Crush 4 someone
Did U think much?
No names here , just about the feel
77
Posted by: 77(7) | April 13, 2020 at 01:06 PM
Yes 😊 It’s funny, if you think about it, every person you’ve ever had a crush on or thought you were in love with—all of those feelings were very different from each other. I guess that’s because when you put two people together (whatever the situation is) those two share a unique dynamic that can’t be replicated in any other way. I have an odd way of developing an “immunity” to people. I stay attached but don’t stay in love. First of all I’ve never been the type to fall in-love easily (Venus in Virgo). There’s only been one person in my life that I have the ability to fall in love with over and over again.

Sonia your guide is not a punisher. He is the most compassionate one you can come across (as much as you may thing otherwise). He always says we all need to learn from our mistakes and don’t make them again. Very simple.
Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | April 13, 2020 at 09:31 AM
I know… but I wouldn’t blame him for being really upset with me.

If at first you don’t succeed, skydiving is not for you.
Posted by: zenjen | April 13, 2020 at 04:51 PM
🤣🤣🤣
I finally agreed to go skydiving once with a friend of mine who’s good friend was skydiving instructor. He was going to jump with me. However, she forgot to confirm with him so we didn’t go. And then on the date that we were originally supposed to go with him, his chute didn’t open. He died just after they got him to the hospital.
That convinced me that skydiving is not for me.

“God help America (and the planet) because he don’t have what it takes to cut it at the cutting edge of a world in upheaval and transition.”
This is a major understatement.
Joe Biden barely knows his own name anymore or where he is at any given time. The guy creepily fondles children and smells their hair in public. He’s been accused of sexual assault by far more trustworthy people than those who have been going after Trump for the past 4 years (which the “believe all women” media conveniently ignored until about a day ago). He has openly admitted on camera to the same kind of corruption that Donald Trump was accused of (which the media barely acknowledges). He has no consistent policies and exists as the human form of opportunism. His son is a literal crackhead.
Strong candidate! The child sniffing and crack smoking son are the two qualities that might resonate with voters the most since America has a pandemic of pedo crimes and drug abuse happening right now. Relatable.
I’ll become a Christian is Biden or even Nipples Cuomo become president because there’ll be no hope left for anything and everyone will want nothing but to be saved.

@zenjen
I hear what your saying about aliens. Mathematically the odds are in favor that they do exist. I guess it’s always been a combo of childhood fear of Martians and grown up aversion to people who claim to have been abducted (they all seem a bit nuts). So, I’ve continued to rationalize that they don’t exist. But who knows… almost anything is possible.

These are priceless. If you haven’t seen this movie you really should.
I ❤️ Huckabees
https://youtu.be/LkAaymR2u9A
https://youtu.be/fjqjWC3Ycr4
BTW, has anyone seen clips of Biden lately? The Democrats had 16 candidates and managed to pick the one with Dementia. (I’m not trying to be mean or insulting when I say that, it’s true. Look at the footage of him.)
I was really hoping we’d have a Democrat President elected in 2020 but that’s not gonna happen now…

One thing I’ve never understood is how everything stays green and the bougainvilleas are always in bloom at the Dera year round despite the weather. It’s lovely (and curious).
Posted by: Sonia | April 12, 2020 at 11:42 AM
That’s because the department is headed by an extremely competent and dedicated Head.
Sd/-

One last post… this popped up on my YouTube suggestion list. I was hesitant to watch it at first but really glad I did.
Thich Nhat Hanh interview.
https://youtu.be/NJ9UtuWfs3U
I love the part about Deep Listening. I love the perspective he has on it.

I found what this doctor says interesting. Of course I’m not a doctor, an epidemiologist or anything but a random layperson who started as a skeptic, later believed wholeheartedly that this virus is uniquely contagious and deadly, and then reverted back to skepticism, so what I find interesting has no value at all.
And I’d never recommend anyone to be lax in their precautions,because it’s possible that the most extreme predictions are correct, but some amount of skepticism seems healthy to me at this point. If some experts are disagreeing with others, I see no reason to go along with one side over the other, especially not because one argument is more popular. Popular opinions actually deserve to be scrutinized more heavily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qwiyxedC_o

Of course I’m not a doctor, an epidemiologist or anything but a random layperson who started as a skeptic,
Posted by: Jesse | April 13, 2020 at 10:51 PM
Doesn’t matter right. Afterall aren’t you the same who just a few days ago ( on April 11th to be precise) proclaimed the below
“I know everything. I’m the true inner master.”
LoL

Trevor, you’re extremely intelligent. I’m so happy that you’re giving your input here. The world needs you.

@Jesse (this is the longest comment I’ve written in my entire life)
Oh. My. God.
Is this Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg actually trying to say that the novel corona virus pandemic is a conspiracy made by virologists who want prestige, political influence and funding for their research centers???
Whatever conspiracy you may have about SARS-CoV-2 it doesn’t benefit anyone in anyway. Usually with a conspiracy someone is secretly benefiting. Ask the Pentagon and they’ll say it’s benefiting the Chinese. If I had to go with a conspiracy theory I’d go with that one.
Also, Dr. Wodarg shows how coronaviruses have been monitored every year from 2005. The first SARS case was before that. This is a novel corona virus. Novel being the key word. What’s so unique about this virus is how quickly it spreads and the fact that you can be infected and asymptotic at the same time which is the primary reason it’s so infectious.
Without a quarantine or lockdown, one of Asia’s the leading epidemiologists estimated roughly 200 million people would die worldwide by the second wave.
https://youtu.be/Y7nZ4mw4mXw
Then there’s this guy—a leading virologist being interviewed on India Today. https://youtu.be/5Nw6SvIX2iI
(That’s an important video to watch.)
OK, so as I’m watching these clips and reading articles in order to respond to your statement I’m starting to see things a tad differently. 😂 😂 😂 But I still think the quarantine and lockdowns are critical. Unfortunately, the economic destruction will become our next health problem when people don’t have insurance because they’ve lost their jobs, quality of healthcare drops in this country because the government will be funding more Medicaid programs and private insurance companies (the monsters of healthcare) issue increased further restrictions to doctors and patients on what they are willing to cover. Oh, and the big one—when we run low on food available to grocery stores (corporate farmers are suffering devastating losses—huge fields of crops just being left to die because they can’t get it where in needs to be).
So, let’s assume we never had a lockdown and just let approximately 200 million people die and god knows how many get seriously ill. What impact would that have had on just the following:
a) Healthcare systems
b) Families
c) Economies
a) Healthcare systems
Because of the particularly infectious nature this novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2), without quarantine our hospital systems truly would have been completely overwhelmed. This is because the majority of people in the world have no inborn immunity to the family of coronaviruses AND especially the SARS family of coronaviruses which having a higher morbidity—they were identified in 2003. COVID-19 is like the first SARS-type coronavirus on steroids because of its unique ability to infect so many people so fast and furiously.
Read this:
https://journals.lww.com/pidj/fulltext/2005/11001/history_and_recent_advances_in_coronavirus.12.aspx
“Human coronaviruses, first characterized in the 1960s, are responsible for a substantial proportion of upper respiratory tract infections in children. Since 2003, at least 5 new human coronaviruses have been identified, including the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus, which caused significant morbidity and mortality. NL63, representing a group of newly identified group I coronaviruses that includes NL and the New Haven coronavirus, has been identified worldwide. These viruses are associated with both upper and lower respiratory tract disease and are likely common human pathogens. The global distribution of a newly identified group II coronavirus, HKU1, has not yet been established. Coronavirology has advanced significantly in the past few years. The SARS epidemic put the animal coronaviruses in the spotlight. The background and history relative to this important and expanding research area are reviewed here.” (to continue reading click link above)
Our healthcare systems are not currently overwhelmed as much as they would be if there hadn’t been a lockdown. But even WITH the lockdown just look at New York and Detroit. Disaster.
With the quarantine we have been able to “flatten the curve” which doesn’t necessarily mean dramatically less numbers, cases or deaths (we hope it does but no guarantee). However, it’s helping to keep most of our healthcare systems from turning into a Black Friday sale.
b) Families
So, if 60% of the world’s population got COVID-19 and an estimated 3.4% (3.4% according to WHO) of that 60% died, that would equal 160 million deaths around the world with just the “first wave”. By the second wave next fall/winter we could see an additional 60-80 million deaths.
Think about it. We live in a world of roughly 7.8 billion people. If we lost close to 200 million people in one year, how many families would that touch? That would mean, for every 39 people alive one person would die. Losing a parent, a child, a dear friend or a significant other is a devastating and irreplaceable loss. That is a grief that will continue for months and years.
c) Economies
So, here’s where we’re damned if we do, damned if we don’t. Some people think wanting to reopen the market is just so we can make the markets strong again. The truth is, if we go into a Great Depression (which we are inches from) then there will be extreme health consequences—especially for Americans. There’s so much to write about how an economic depression impacts people’s health in a major negative way that I really don’t know where to begin.
Then of course, there’s the fact that we live in an interdependent global economy. We all do. With borders closed, airlines grounded and travel restricted commercial and agricultural products cannot get distributed. It’s no longer about getting the latest consumer goods trends, it’s about getting what you NEED to have in order to get by each day. And the longer the economy is closed the more exponential the crisis grows. It’s much like the virus in that way. It’s a compounded problem.
In summary, this is really more like a natural disaster. It’s like one HUGE global natural disaster.

Hi Sonia and other Churchless friends, here’s a reminder in these difficult times to keep your spirits up.
Loved this song when I was young, those were the days !!
Bee Gees Stayin Alive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvBPH4sArQ

Loved this song when I was young, those were the days !!
Bee Gees Stayin Alive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvBPH4sArQ
Posted by: zenjen | April 14, 2020 at 04:33 PM
@zenjen
Love it!! I loved The Bee Gees and ABBA when I was really young. Dancing Queen was my first favorite song (I was six).
Added to my Quarantine playlist. 😁

That’s because the department is headed by an extremely competent and dedicated Head.
Sd/-
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | April 13, 2020 at 09:11 PM
Well 👏
I came across this today from my favorite comic’s blog and thought of you. I don’t comment on her blog though. I only comment on Brian’s blog because his blog is well organized and the regular commenters are diverse and thought provoking. It may seem like I have a lot of time on my hands but that’s not really true. I’m just a lot more productive sober and doing my meditation makes me clearer which has the added bonus of helping me manage my time better.
Anyway, here’s to you…
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/03/spiders-are-scary-its-okay-to-be-afraid.html
P.S. I don’t hate all spiders.

“Is this Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg actually trying to say that the novel corona virus pandemic is a conspiracy made by virologists who want prestige, political influence and funding for their research centers???”
Not really his main point at all, but if you think humans are above such petty things I have a some things I’d like you to buy from me.
“Without a quarantine or lockdown, one of Asia’s the leading epidemiologists estimated roughly 200 million people would die worldwide by the second wave.”
Then he is a hysterical maniac. Perfect example of why I stopped believing in expert predictions. They made all these stupid predictions with almost zero data, which has now proven to be embarrassing for them, because they’re horrendously wrong.
You think 200 million dead turned into a normal light flu season just by forcing people to only skip church but then crowd around grocery stores? Makes a lot of sense, but I prefer expert opinions that in some way resemble the reality we can all see with our own eyes. And that reality is that this corona b.s. is blown way out of proportion. It’s not the first instance of mass hysteria, and it won’t be the last.
“Our healthcare systems are not currently overwhelmed as much as they would be if there hadn’t been a lockdown.”
They’re significantly less overwhelmed than they were 2 years ago when the flu killed many more people and there were people sleeping outside hospitals all over the country. News reported on it. Did everyone forget? Also, I had a number of youtube videos bookmarked that showed empty hospitals which had been reported as overwhelmed with stacks of dead people. Youtube took the videos down. Why would they deny us the right to information?
“Think about it. We live in a world of roughly 7.8 billion people. If we lost close to 200 million people in one year, how many families would that touch?”
Think about it, in a normal year 60 million people die anyway. It’s not even 4 times the amount of average annual deaths. You make it sound like we’d be swimming in blood.
Right now the world has about 125,000 deaths due possibly to covid 19, though we don’t even have accurate numbers on that, and almost all the people were either old or fat or both. Wait til we get to at least a few million healthy people dying before we start talking about 200 million. Right now it just sounds stupid as hell to even mention that number.
Also, Swedes should already all be dead according to these “expert” opinions you subscribe to, yet they’re perfectly fine. lol this is all so dumb.

@Jesse
So, you believe this is all just simply mass hysteria and that the world should carry on as usual? Apparently all of our politicians and scientists and doctors and world leaders aren’t as intelligent as you otherwise they would have kept doing business as usual. Gosh, what idiots the rest of us humans are.
Seriously, how are you any different from those who believe Jesus’ blood is going to save them?
🙄

Jesse, you along with every Flat Earther should take a trip to Mars with SpaceX. Clearly your kind is too intelligent for life here on earth.

“So, you believe this is all just simply mass hysteria and that the world should carry on as usual?”
Yes. Absolutely.
Mass hysteria has nothing to do with intelligence, Sonia.

Person 1- So you’re saying all these people who have been wrong are wrong, and the people who were right were actually right?????
Person 2- Yes
Person 1- OMG conspiracy! I guess you believe ancient aliens is bible Jesus blah blah other non-sequitur??? We should put you in a camp and kill you because anti-science danger. Must kill the bad ones to defend science. Burp huhuhuhuh butt. I like science cause like, huhuhuh, shut up. Do you even do science? Science is more smarter than like not science huhuh emoji butt.

Person 1- So you’re saying all these people who have been wrong are wrong, and the people who were right were actually right?????
Person 2- Yes
Person 1- OMG conspiracy! I guess you believe ancient aliens is bible Jesus blah blah other non-sequitur??? We should put you in a camp and kill you because anti-science danger. Must kill the bad ones to defend science. Burp huhuhuhuh butt. I like science cause like, huhuhuh, shut up. Do you even do science? Science is more smarter than like not science huhuh emoji butt.

No further comments, your Honor.
(Jesse, pretty sure I won this.)

About https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qwiyxedC_o
I’m going to try to summarize the Dr Wodarg video. In essence, he’s saying that correlation does not mean causation. He’s cautioning against confirmation bias. Without a broader study, it’s hard not to see what you expect to see. He’s saying there are many coronaviruses that can co-occur with the flu. He expects COVID-19 to co-occur with about 10% of all flu fatalities. In a year, Germany might have 20,000 to 30,000 flu deaths; therefore 2,000 to 3,000 will also test positive for COVID-19, but the presence of coronavirus means nothing in his opinion, it’s only coincidence.
Now, anami’s analysis of New York.
I found something I was looking for the other day. It lists causes of death state by state in the USA in recent years. The link will take you to statistics for New York in 2017–first, births and then, leading causes of death…
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/newyork/newyork.htm
Click on a specific “Leading Cause of Death,” such as “Flu/Pneumonia” for a page with a map of the USA and a table below listing each state with deaths per 100,000 in the first column and total deaths in the second. Deaths per 100,000 is adjusted by age and population size, but total deaths is just the raw total for that year. In the box below the map, there’s a place to change the year, marked “Filters.” You can see 2005, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018. The original page with New York alone also allows you to see other years too (scroll down) but only the years 2014 to 2017. The two sources match year by year 2014-2017 on death totals, so we can probably trust the numbers for 2005 and 2018 as well.
Flu/Pneumonia death totals for NY State, according to the CDC:
2018: 4,749
2017: 4,517
2016: 4,513
2015: 4,881
2014: 4,702
2005: 5,521
Let’s check Worldometer…
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
How many coronavirus deaths in New York State? A big number! To date, Worldometer lists 10,834. That’s double the typical flu season, in spite of stay-at-home and social distancing.
What’s more, Worldometer only started registering deaths in mid-March.
If we take Dr Wodarg’s position that coronavirus could be present with flu and not be the cause of death, then how do we explain NY’s nearly 11,0000 “flu” deaths since mid-March? Flu season starts in the fall. By November, December, January, February and early March New York State must’ve had 3,000 flu deaths already. Of the 11,000 some could be flu but not more than 2,000 in a typical year. Therefore, 9,000 of those 11,000 deaths must be caused by something other than flu. Coronavirus is a reasonable suspect.
It doesn’t make much sense to argue that all of a sudden every death by any cause in NY is being stamped coronavirus. Doctors would have to be going insane all at once. Clinicians have always been able to sort them out before. They could tell the difference even between flu/pneumonia and COPD (emphysema, chronic bronchitis or asthma). That’s why there’s another category in leading causes of death called “Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases.” If doctors were literally losing their minds, wouldn’t the media jump on that story?
As of Easter, here in the epicenter, we heard of a 5th death reportedly from coronavirus–a 39 year old man in the suburbs of New Jersey, married with two young children. He was the cousin of one of my wife’s colleagues.
My wife has many colleagues and in general is much more social than me, but she’s been with the same company for 15 years, and we’ve both lived in NYC since the 90’s. Our friends and coworkers have never reported flu deaths in years past.
Are people in the NY/NJ region dying of coronavirus or dying of statistical confirmation bias?
The Dr Wodarg video was published as early as March 13th…
https://youtu.be/p_AyuhbnPOI
…and total deaths in Germany testing positive for C19 stood at only 8. His high end estimate was 3,000. Today’s figure is 3,592.
Germany saw 25,000 flu deaths in 2017-2018, a particularly bad season.
“25,000 influenza-related deaths exemplify – together with other parameters – the extraordinary severity of the flu epidemic 2017/18.”
https://www.rki.de/EN/Content/infections/epidemiology/inf_dis_Germany/influenza/summary_2018-19.html
He probably estimated too high on flu deaths. The real total is likely a quarter to a third less and below his low end–maybe 19,000.
He didn’t take age differences into account either. In Germany confirmed C-19 cases skew younger and presumably healthier. 82% are below the age of 60…
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-24/coronavirus-less-deadly-in-germany-because-of-youthful-patients
He didn’t account for social distancing. They began social distancing on March 22nd. Some states had stricter controls than the German federal guidelines…
https://www.dw.com/en/what-are-germanys-new-coronavirus-social-distancing-rules/a-52881742
Could it be that they’re more disciplined about social distancing, or that they have better healthcare or treatment strategies? Or that cases in Germany are with less urban concentration? I don’t know. Germany has considered easing social distancing soon, and it could show in the numbers…

In 6 months we’ll all be reading articles like this one from 2009. Except this time we won’t read it in the comfort of our homes.We’ll read it with hunger pangs on second hand furniture in dilapidated public housing as we await our insufficient welfare checks.
https://www.wired.com/2009/06/apocalypse-not-behind-swine-flu-hysteria/

“How many coronavirus deaths in New York State? A big number!”
“It doesn’t make much sense to argue that all of a sudden every death by any cause in NY is being stamped coronavirus.”
Except that hospitals (from what I’ve read) have been instructed by the CDC to assume corona deaths without any form of testing or reporting of preexisting conditions, which means normal flu deaths, and completely unrelated deaths are (probably) being added to that number. People with terminal diseases from before corona’s existence have been reported as corona deaths. So, it may not make sense, but exactly what you describe is happening.
As more data comes out we’ll know more, but so far it seems like a nothing burger and an excuse for an anesthetized herd of blobs to feel something real. This event is like a Nine Inch Nails song come true.

Notre Dame Cloche for Doctors, Nurses, those caring . . .
https://www.facebook.com/ankhaton7
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“So, you believe this is all just simply mass hysteria and that the world should carry on as usual?”
Yes. Absolutely.
Mass hysteria has nothing to do with intelligence, Sonia.
Posted by: Jesse | April 15, 2020 at 07:49 AM
Another reminder…. Send us a pic of yours amongst Covid 19 patients Jesse. Afterall world should carry on as usual. Lead from the front.
Ofcourse without any PPE.
If you can’t do this, stop yapping your hypocrisy through your posts

It’s been fun rewatching old films. I never thought of Tom Cruise as being funny before this.
This is GSD https://youtu.be/1rZHKnnQBeA 😂

“Except that hospitals (from what I’ve read) have been instructed by the CDC to assume corona deaths without any form of testing or reporting of preexisting conditions, which means normal flu deaths, and completely unrelated deaths are (probably) being added to that number.”
Not true. You can read the CDC’s exact instructions, “Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19)”
Go to…
https://search.cdc.gov/search/index.html?query=Vsrg&sitelimit=&utf8=%E2%9C%93&affiliate=cdc-main
Then click on the third result…
[PDF] Vital Statistics Reference Guidance Number 03, April, 2020

“In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot
be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances
are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it
is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as
“probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should
use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19
infection was likely. However, please note that testing for
COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.”
That pdf is full of room for ambiguity, anami. It allows for infinite number of unconfirmed and untested cases to be reported as corona.
We don’t have accurate numbers. Period.

Rob, who I’m guessing is just georgy porgys new name, I know personal insults are against the rules, but I’m gonna call you stupid. I can depend on you saying something stupid more reliably than I can depend on useful corona data.

“it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as
‘probable’ or ‘presumed.’ In these instances, certifiers should
use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19
infection was likely.”
Yes, because they’re clinicians and have the knowledge to make judgments based on observations and patient histories. Even without a specific test for the C-19 virus, they can rule out other conditions with their usual, and C-19 patients sicken and die in characteristic and recognizable ways…
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs
If someone dies at home, they can interview relatives to get a picture of disease progression. If it comes to autopsy, the lung damage is probably easy to spot. Survivors also say their illness was different from the flu.

Wishful thinking Anami, and a kind of thinking that requires far too much trust in people and methods we know are highly fallible, have been repeatedly wrong, probably dishonest, and certainly unable to make accurate predictions. That article doesn’t even claim that the pneumonia caused by covid is unique. It just says in too many words “some peoples lungs get really messed up.” Not a serious article. I give it 2/10.
We’re all lost in and roaming in the dark. Our experts can’t agree on jack shit, and I don’t have the ability to do testing myself so I’m choosing to not believe.
But you go on and don’t stop believing. Confirm your bias. I’ll confirm mine.
Do it for science. Do it for love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs

Ouch!
I got one, Jesse, if you dare!
https://youtu.be/PrBUjXaRSUQ

Sonia says
This is GSD https://youtu.be/1rZHKnnQBeA 😂
Hahaha story of my life.

I fact checked all of anami’s research. He’s right. And Intelligent. Jesse, have you considered starting your own podcast like Infowars??

Those who limit their sources of information to officially approved news companies and government bodies are like music fans who tell you Miley Cyrus is better than Mozart because she’s more popular.

Rob, who I’m guessing is just georgy porgys new name, I know personal insults are against the rules, but I’m gonna call you stupid. I can depend on you saying something stupid more reliably than I can depend on useful corona data.
Posted by: Jesse | April 15, 2020 at 03:36 PM
You have frigging no idea about the stupidity you spew.
Rob a.k.a. Georgy Porgy. Jesus I am gonna die laughing.

Here’s something for the RSSB believers.
Soak it in and don’t start off on who is the handsomest of the 5 great sages of Beas
https://rssb.org/images/Photos/gsd-dl.jpg

Jesse,
For all we know, your unofficial source is a guy doing bong hits in his mom’s basement. From-what-I’ve-read claims are empty without attribution. For example, “Except that hospitals (from what I’ve read) have been instructed by the CDC to assume corona deaths without any form of testing or reporting of preexisting conditions…”
Please provide a link.
It makes no sense anyway in light of what you said here.
https://churchofthechurchless.com/2020/04/pastors-death-shows-that-covid-19-is-larger-than-god?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4fb8db7200d#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4fb8db7200d
Why would Trump want Jared Kushner to tell a rabbi with the CDC Foundation to tell the CDC to inflate the C-19 death count? The more C-19 deaths, the worse Trump looks.
Different Avi Berkowitz too I think.
Here’s the Rabbi Avi Berkowitz…
https://mobile.twitter.com/globalrabbi
Here’s Jared Kushner’s friend and former aide, now Assistant to the President and Special Representative for International Negotiations since 2019…
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2019/09/avi-berkowitz-trump-millennial-middle-east-envoy-190911230505098

Thank you, Sonia.
I emoji you. ☺️

@Rob
📸🌅💫🦸🏼❤️🙏🔂

Those who limit their sources of information to officially approved news companies and government bodies are like music fans who tell you Miley Cyrus is better than Mozart because she’s more popular.
Posted by: Jesse | April 16, 2020 at 08:32 AM
I’m started to think that your remarks about COVID-19 are just some sort of social experiment you’re performing. You can’t be serious. Are we all on an episode of Black Mirror??

Imagine calling me a conspiracy theorist for expecting science to do what science exists to do, which is make accurate repeatable predictions, then in turn, literally questioning if I am part of a conspiracy for having this expectation.
AMAZING!

Photo of Gurinder posted by Rob…
https://rssb.org/images/Photos/gsd-dl.jpg
It is a lovely photo. Although there does seem to be something vague and distant in close-up photos of Gurinder’s eyes. Eyes are the windows to the soul. I do feel compassion for him because of the pressure of his role and he is doing the best he can helping so many people who are enduring much suffering in today’s world. Life is strange and difficult, but then, it is what it is…
An excerpt from “It Is What It Is: The Personal Discourses of Rumi”
http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/it-is-what-it-is-the-personal-discourses-of-rumi/
“It is the idea that brings us. The thought of a garden brings us to the garden. The thought of a shop brings us to the shop. However, within these thoughts is a secret deception. Have you never gone to a certain place thinking it would be good, only to find disappointment? These ideas then are like a shroud, and within that shroud someone is hidden. The day reality draws you and the shroud of thought disappears, there will be no disappointment. Then you will see reality as it is, and nothing more.”

We can choose to be happy in any moment we are not absolutely pressed to do something. We can live in a moment of happiness. Free of charge. Our choice. And that choice has its own effects on the rest of our day, and that choice reflects something about who or what we really are. If belief in Gurinder gets you there, if belief in physics gets you there, if belief in Jesus, God, Social Justice, Charity, Moses, your scuba diving vacation, or Trump, new furniture, new car gets you there, and you aren’t hurting anyone else, then that is where you should go. It is your birthright to go there. Because happiness has a positive impact on your health. It’s built into the human form. And unhappiness has an unhealthy impact. Different things will have different effects on different people. But if you find that a person or thing or idea brings you happiness, to hell what the rest of the world says or thinks, go there. It’s yours. It’s real for you. And if it makes you happy, gives you peace and harmony thinking about it, then it is your TRUTH. Don’t ask for permission. They don’t know what is in you. They only know what is in them. So don’t become a slave of that. Become intimate with what is in you. Something in you calling out to you. So reconnect with it. Deepen the connection. A door for may open in your heart and lead to something else. Or that door may OPEN taking you one step closer to what you love, or what loves you. You are on a journey. And with each choice to follow your bliss you become something clearer, cleaner, more purposeful, better.

If you have a spare moment and try following your bliss, at least within yourself, you may discover you aren’t good at it. But make it a practice. You can get better at being happy. It’s a skill to be developed through practice.

@Spence
“At any moment”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENrRAIzlL1A

Hi Spence, loved your comment, words of wisdom, really hit home…
“Become intimate with what is in you. Something in you calling out to you. So reconnect with it. Deepen the connection. A door for may open in your heart and lead to something else. Or that door may OPEN taking you one step closer to what you love, or what loves you. You are on a journey. And with each choice to follow your bliss you become something clearer, cleaner, more purposeful, better.”

@Cousin Zigzag
Well, alcohol withdrawal is no laughing matter. My ex-husband started drinking after we divorced (we’re still good friends—it wasn’t a “really marriage… not really).
After 20 years of of daily drinking (and he was never the fall down drunk type. I never saw him drunk) he tried to quit and each time wound up in the hospital after just a few days. He almost died both times. Seizures, severe DTs…. ugly stuff. He’s doing a lot better since his last hospitalization. I think he’s quit drinking for good. Alcoholism is a serious, monstrous disease. Something I never personally understood till last year.

@Sonia
Alcohol’s a can of worms, that’s for sure. I was at a party once with all these Iranians drinking and dancing to Culture Club. That’s when I understood why the Koran forbids it.

@Sonia
Alcohol’s a can of worms, that’s for sure. I was at a party once with all these Iranians drinking and dancing to Culture Club. That’s when I understood why the Koran forbids it.
Posted by: Cousin Zigzag | April 17, 2020 at 09:58 PM
😂😂😂

Yeah… I used to always think, Jesus just day no. I never had a problem with alcohol even in my 20s when I felt it was perfectly ok to drink if you could handle it. I never “craved” alcohol so I’d get really super annoyed with some of my friends from college who slowly started to let alcohol take over their lives.
But going through it myself—even for a brief time—I became fully aware of how strong those cravings are and how easily it can take over your life.
I went to AA until I was finally able to lose the cravings. No desire to drink whatsoever now. The one thing they always say in AA is that the core of alcoholism is a spiritual problem, not a physical problem which I think is really interesting for a group like them to say. That’s why they encourage people to find their higher power, whatever that may be.
I can see now why they believe it’s a spiritual problem… at the core.

Photo of Gurinder posted by Rob…
https://rssb.org/images/Photos/gsd-dl.jpg
It is a lovely photo. Although there does seem to be something vague and distant in close-up photos of Gurinder’s eyes.
Posted by: zenjen | April 16, 2020 at 04:47 PM
Indeed a lovely picture. But no picture can capture his magnificence.
His eyes – vague and distant – well @zenjen you will realise how wrong you are if you ever look into his eyes closeup. The kindest ever and most loving they are. And I say this having sat across him in private more than a few times and with maybe a couple of feet between us.
And if eyes are the windows to the soul it’s a soul full of love and kindness atleast for his sangat and disciples (including the worst kind like me)
Sd/-

Imagine going to Disneyland or Disney world. Or remember that experience. It is filled with places and attractions inspired by movies, by fictional stories, by fairy tales. Families spend all their annual vacation money and time, and only on those years they can afford it, going to such places. Their children are enthralled. And we share the joy our children delight in seeing their beautiful and kind princesses, their brave and handsome princes, their favorite larger than life animal characters. It’s all fiction, but we get some of our greatest pleasures in that fiction. Stories of good and evil, despair, trials and heroism.
Now, before Disney, there was the church and temples. Bible study, Scripture study. In our minds we went to those places across the globe, back in time to live vicariously those incredible stories, and their meaningful messages. Those amusement parks cost very little… We’ll, tithing 10%, so maybe a bit. But no expensive rollar coaster or costumed cast or hotel and plane reservations necessary.
Because the outside props and scripts are there to help connect to a story, and the story to something happening, living, inside of us. Our own story. That is real.
Brian Ji is fond of saying unicorns don’t exist here. But they exist where they are important players in our internal story. And in that place they are not only real, but largely unavoidable. We think we invent, but are just speaking or writing what speaks to us, what resonates within us. And those things which we do not always see directly, but which call to us, demand our attention, are very real. They are already there. The inner Disneyland is already there awaiting our visit. Several theme parks in fact, each astoundingly grander than the last. But like the theme parks here, they are just places symbolizing something even deeper within.
As we find ourselves with more time in quarentine, why not peer within and go there? Disneyland is closed for now. But that more fabulous Magic Kingdom is open for business within, all cast members playing their roles, and your role, waiting to be taken. Your Golden Ticket is already in the palm of your hand.

And if eyes are the windows to the soul it’s a soul full of love and kindness atleast for his sangat and disciples (including the worst kind like me)
Sd/-
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | April 18, 2020 at 03:53 AM
You’ve referred to yourself as “the worst kind of disciple” more than once. What makes you so special that you fall into a best/worst category??

“you will realise how wrong you are if you ever look into his eyes closeup”
Sd/-
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
…………
You’ve made me think about the interviews I had and because I was so shy and awkward when I was younger I did not look into his eyes, but kept my eyes averted. My bad. Who am I to judge another… 🙁

@🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
Just curious, were you initiated by Gurinder? And you live at the Dera? I assume you work in administration.
BTW, you’re slow to answer. ☺️

“you will realise how wrong you are if you ever look into his eyes closeup”
Sd/-
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
…………
You’ve made me think about the interviews I had and because I was so shy and awkward when I was younger I did not look into his eyes, but kept my eyes averted. My bad. Who am I to judge another… 🙁
Posted by: zenjen | April 18, 2020 at 04:49 PM
@jenzen
Haha… you were lucky to get interviews. I hear everyone used to get an interview arriving and leaving with Charan. But there were less people then. So much less going on compared to now.
I had one interview after being rejected 3 times and then having to fight a sevadar during my 4th application interview. The sevadar literally implied that I was nuts. 😂
I finally got to have my interview though. I remember it being so much easier, very natural to look him in the eyes when we were face to face. I feel awkward with Darshan—it feels like a strange ritual, but face to face it felt more sincere. Admittedly I did look down and away quite a bit because it’s really hard to maintain your train of thought while looking into his eyes.
My voice was shaking really bad though even though I didn’t feel afraid or nervous. That was weird… I almost wanted to say, “Could you turn your energy down a notch or too? It’s making it really difficult for me to speak.” Lol

Just a random thought for Open Thread, I LOVE Imagine Dragons.

@🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
Just curious, were you initiated by Gurinder? And you live at the Dera? I assume you work in administration.
BTW, you’re slow to answer. ☺️
Posted by: Sonia | April 18, 2020 at 06:35 PM
Yes Babaji has initiated me. I don’t live in Dera. But my parents have lived in Dera for decades now.

Yes Babaji has initiated me. I don’t live in Dera. But my parents have lived in Dera for decades now.
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | April 18, 2020 at 10:43 PM
You’re a liar.

“you will realise how wrong you are if you ever look into his eyes closeup”
Sd/-
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
…………
You’ve made me think about the interviews I had and because I was so shy and awkward when I was younger I did not look into his eyes, but kept my eyes averted. My bad. Who am I to judge another… 🙁
Posted by: zenjen | April 18, 2020 at 04:49 PM
He looks so much more saintly now. Just like Hazur. But that look the day he sat filtering initiation seekers, including me, is one that is unparalleled.
With half my life associated with Hazur and Babaji respectively I still sometimes struggle who is the magnificent one. Such fond memories with Hazur as well.

Just a random thought for Open Thread, I LOVE Imagine Dragons.
Posted by: Sonia | April 18, 2020 at 09:11 PM
I do as well. I love The Artist too. LoL

“you will realise how wrong you are if you ever look into his eyes closeup”
Sd/-
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
…………
You’ve made me think about the interviews I had and because I was so shy and awkward when I was younger I did not look into his eyes, but kept my eyes averted. My bad. Who am I to judge another… 🙁
Posted by: zenjen | April 18, 2020 at 04:49 PM
He looks so much more saintly now. Just like Hazur. But that look the day he sat filtering initiation seekers, including me, is one that is unparalleled.
With half my life associated with Hazur and Babaji respectively I still sometimes struggle who is the magnificent one. Such fond memories with Hazur as well.
Sd/-

@All. about Hagen
Or at least, the aspect of Buddhism that believes in something called enlightenment.
God is not enlightened
HE has no IQ
HE knows only LOVE
And Yes , Mr Hagen , almost right. 🌞
Look to the all time best Red Shift image of this universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EKl9aF4NnM
All
is random
It is also a zillionth^Z*Z of what exists
Remember my little piece “This is how it works”. (Creation!)
For a RSSB Sant Mat Initiate , this Love is easily attainable
More, we can desire that people we like will get it too
Don’t try to be an enlightened angel with 999 IQ
It’s waisting time
Just ask 2 Love HIM
777

Love always wins. It’s impossible to fight someone whose response is always love. In those situations I stand, for a lack of better words, defeated. 🙂

Better words. OMG
The better here is compassion
F I. we see on YT a tiger helping a doggy to escape
THAT counts to. Two elephants helping a baby , not their own
Who knows A mosquito in need NOT giving malaria to a guy
trump not in 10 minutes sending the rocket to the mullahs
All kind of crazy forms and actions
Can U imaging the Great Multi_region love entity enjoying these
deeds
Sometimes even assisting like the granny lifting a 20 tons car in Italy
liberating a child
You are right – trump was perhaps afraid but the elephant had no agenda – who knows
Anyway. HE does anything n’imports qui and it changes in Love
From HIS standpoint all love explosions happen at the same time
So nice to assist that firework and be in HIS tornado
Sex has also somewhat to do with all this. LOL
but that s for another trilogy
Humour < big time Atheists have no humour LOVE ps Love is the need to do good to someone without agenda 777 PS2 Don't steal, . . . not even a smile

@777
If I didn’t know any better I’d swear you’re high most of the time.

I’m going to continue my rant on free will here. I can buy into “limited free will” but no free will literally makes life meaningless. I guess the Masters are the Adjustment Bureau with limited free will.
No free will just means there is no God and if there is a God then he’s a really sick and twisted jerk.

With no free will whatsoever, that would mean God created this play of terror, murder, rape and torture for his amusement.

No free will would mean God chose Trump to be president. It would mean that every horrible thing I’ve ever done in my life was according to His Will. It would also mean that I’m not responsible for anything I say or do and that I’m completely blameless and guilt free. It would essentially mean that I’m karmaless in which case I theoretically shouldn’t even be here to type this.
Well, I’d love to believe there’s no free will because then I would be a Saint (since it would mean I’ve done everything according to the Lord’s will and cannot be judged because I’m karmaless) but I’m a sane human being that believes in right and wrong. I believe we have choices. I believe we make mistakes. I believe we can choose to do the right thing and act upon it.
Without free will there would be no such thing as right and wrong. And while “no free will” may be true on certain levels of reality, it’s not true here. Just like gravity. The laws of gravity exist here differently than they do on the moon and we have to work within those parameters.

For God’s sake, you can’t punish people that have no free will. They are already perfect if everything they’ve ever done was according to divine guidance.
What kind of god do you believe in???

“For God’s sake, you can’t punish people that have no free will. They are already perfect if everything they’ve ever done was according to divine guidance.
What kind of god do you believe in???”
Who’s punishing?
Noone
Retribution is only relative to action and reaction, there is no freedom in reaping the consequences of preconditioning.
Free will doesn’t exist else Christ would not have swallowed the cup presented him ‘Lama sabacht Ani?’
One cannot lift yourself up by your own bootstraps. It manifests from a pull of a higher energy, everything in nature is conditioned. Everything from source of energy is under sway of circumstance of condition there is no free will to be had in nature whatsoever.

Who’s punishing?
Noone
Retribution is only relative to action and reaction, there is no freedom in reaping the consequences of preconditioning.
Free will doesn’t exist else Christ would not have swallowed the cup presented him ‘Lama sabacht Ani?’
One cannot lift yourself up by your own bootstraps. It manifests from a pull of a higher energy, everything in nature is conditioned. Everything from source of energy is under sway of circumstance of condition there is no free will to be had in nature whatsoever.
Posted by: someonedunit | April 20, 2020 at 07:54 PM
Are you related to Whodunit?
So, you’re saying no one has free will to do meditation or follow a Master. The Masters give Satsang in vain because everything is predestined, there is no free will and all the people listening to the Masters’ discourses are going to carry on their week doing whatever was predestined for them.
In which case, the Masters every utterance are as vain as each action we minions take.
If there is no free will, then you are no holier than a serial killer.

@someonedunit
And there’s no need for Saints if we are all already doing God’s will.
I’m just following your logic…

I guess I could go on about this free will thing forever, but I’ll concede to “limited free will”. Limited free will would be like a parent letting their kids play in the fenced in backyard without allowing them to run through the neighborhood wrecking havoc on whomever and whatever they please. It works both ways too—keeps the kids safe. That would make God a more responsible parent.

@sonia
Would you be clarify what’s your RSSB position on free will?
Maybe I can help you here. Take a look at the article
https://rssb.org/2020-03-12.html

777
PS2
Don’t steal, . . . not even a smile
Posted by: 🌞🌞🌞.💥.💥.💥 🌞.🌞 | April 20, 2020 at 12:37 PM
________________________________________
@777 If I didn’t know any better I’d swear you’re high most of the time. Posted by: Sonia | April 20, 2020 at 03:39 PM
Correct. . . . but. why & how U know better ??
but I try to make sense
F. I.
When I say 100% free will, . . nobody reacts
Can nobody even imagine that S/He is God in optima forma
and always was
and ‘always’ will be. (if an always existed)
and not be angry about dirty stuff U have added/restricted yourself during the countless devaluations of this process
Next scolding the Guy who offers REAL INSIGHT in all this, . .
not me , . . I mean GSD with HIS task force package of 5 words
777
PS
If all this would be transparant for our minds
the originating God should be labeled ‘really stupid’

Hi Trevor,
I have heard GSD say that we have limited free will. And limited would make sense. However, to say we have no free will would imply that we have to ability to make choices.
Here is an excerpt from the link you gave:
“When we look back on our decisions, we forget to consider the extensive influence from the past which has placed us in a particular situation. Whatever we are today is the result of what we thought and did previously. By the same rule of cause and effect, what we are to become in the future will be determined by what we think and do right now. If we make wise choices today, then it will be a lot easier to make positive choices tomorrow.”
The last sentence, “If we make wise choices today, then it will be a lot easier to make positive choices tomorrow.” The problem with that statement is that without free will we do not have the option to “make wise choices today”. Without free will you do not have the option to exercise choice because doing so implies you have free will. You can only truly decide to go with option A or option B if it’s actually a choice given to you. However, without free will there is no way whatsoever that you can choose option A if it’s your destiny to choose option B.
I am not denying the law of karma and cause and effect. Cause and effect are scientific. But if you take karma to the utmost fanatical extreme and say it governs every action to the point that you have no ability to make a choice (that you only think you’re making choices) then there is no reason for anyone to ever feel guilt or remorse. There would be no reason for me to ever feel sorry for hurting someone’s feelings or being disrespectful towards them because it was pure destiny that I said and did what I did.
Basically what I’m saying is that that article is contradictory.
Here’s another excerpt:
“ In reality, whatever comes to us has been our choice in the past birth, and that limits our choices for the future, just as each move on the chess board limits our next move. So our sense of freedom of choice or free will is just an illusion.”
Again, the word choice is being used. I don’t know how to make this any clearer, but with zero free will you do not get to choose anything. With no free will you have absolutely NO choices.
Choice = free will
No choice = 0 free will
Definition of choice (I copied this from the dictionary):
Choice – an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities. “the choice between good and evil”
………….
Please let me know your thoughts… I’m curious.

Here is the definition of free will from the encyclopedia Britannica:
“Free will, in humans, the power or capacity to choose among alternatives or to act in certain situations independently of natural, social, or divine restraints. Free will is denied by some proponents of determinism.”
RSSB needs to stop suggesting that people have the ability to make choices if they truly believe we have no free will whatsoever.

de·ter·min·ism
/dəˈtərməˌnizəm/
Learn to pronounce
nounPHILOSOPHY
the doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes external to the will. Some philosophers have taken determinism to imply that individual human beings have no free will and cannot be held morally responsible for their actions.
Does RSSB teach determinism?

your understanding of what comprises ‘free will’ and what does not is limited.
Encyclopedia Britannica can only give a limited non elevated understanding based on philosophical or intellectual paradigms.
Free will as determined by human perspective is “limited”, it can only be allocated as ‘conditioned free will’ meaning every thought and instinct that goes into a decision has already been programmed into the equation prior to the conditioned response or reaction.
Humans like all species are reactionary. Other species react purely by instinct, (pure evolutionary / involuntary conditioning) while Humans react by way of habitual as well as instinctual, societal, educational, religious and multiple formative as well as existent (inherent) conditioning, hence their scope for making a ‘free choice’ in any circumstance is ‘Highly Conditioned’, by all manner of precursory input and conditioning.
From a limited (human) perspective you can take the encyclopedia Britannica philosophic standpoint that humans possess a (very) limited scope of free determination or free will. It is based on all factors leading into their frame of reference and conditions (and preconditions) influencing their reaction to specific stimuli to determine their corresponding action.
From the perspective of a higher force of nature humans are subject to forces and factors far beyond their immediate control, they therefore in real terms have hardly ANY free will whatsoever. In fact from the perspective of where true free will lies, humans in their current disposition have Zero Free Will whatsoever.

Choice = free will
No choice = 0 free will
You are taking everything as digital yes/no. 1/0 happening
NATURE AND SPIRITUALITY and RESPONSABILITIES ARE ANALOGUE
Like Fibonacci
I glad the exegesists of Beas agree perfectly with what I defend on this blog against a hurricane of atheism,. . . people denying they are the All Pervading Purusha .
before Abraham, . . . You are!
You always are
Shabd will easily prove that to You!
YOU WERE NEVER EVER : NOT
If I was an atheist
I would think
“I hope that he’s right”

“I have heard GSD say that we have limited free will. And limited would make sense. However, to say we have no free will would imply that we have to ability to make choices.
Here is an excerpt from the link you gave:
“When we look back on our decisions, we forget to consider the extensive influence from the past which has placed us in a particular situation. Whatever we are today is the result of what we thought and did previously. By the same rule of cause and effect, what we are to become in the future will be determined by what we think and do right now. If we make wise choices today, then it will be a lot easier to make positive choices tomorrow.”
The last sentence, “If we make wise choices today, then it will be a lot easier to make positive choices tomorrow.” The problem with that statement is that without free will we do not have the option to “make wise choices today”. Without free will you do not have the option to exercise choice because doing so implies you have free will. You can only truly decide to go with option A or option B if it’s actually a choice given to you. However, without free will there is no way whatsoever that you can choose option A if it’s your destiny to choose option B.
I am not denying the law of karma and cause and effect. Cause and effect are scientific. But if you take karma to the utmost fanatical extreme and say it governs every action to the point that you have no ability to make a choice (that you only think you’re making choices) then there is no reason for anyone to ever feel guilt or remorse. There would be no reason for me to ever feel sorry for hurting someone’s feelings or being disrespectful towards them because it was pure destiny that I said and did what I did.
Basically what I’m saying is that that article is contradictory.
Here’s another excerpt:
“ In reality, whatever comes to us has been our choice in the past birth, and that limits our choices for the future, just as each move on the chess board limits our next move. So our sense of freedom of choice or free will is just an illusion.”
Again, the word choice is being used. I don’t know how to make this any clearer, but with zero free will you do not get to choose anything. With no free will you have absolutely NO choices.
Choice = free will
No choice = 0 free will
Definition of choice (I copied this from the dictionary):
Choice – an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities. “the choice between good and evil”
………….
Please let me know your thoughts… I’m curious.”
Posted by: Sonia | April 21, 2020 at 06:36 AM
Yours is a very difficult, but fair, & spiritual question; that on Human will.
In the Koran it says,
“Naught befalleth us save that which Allah hath decreed for us” -9/51 (Pickthall)
Imo, only the Sat Guru can answer the question correctly. So it should be redirected to Baba Gurinder Singh.

In fact from the perspective of where true free will lies, humans in their current disposition have Zero Free Will whatsoever.
Posted by: someonedunit | April 21, 2020 at 10:20 AM
Then don’t try to change people. All of my actions are predetermined so don’t be surprised if I don’t meet your expectations. I can assure you, I won’t.
I will cease to feel guilt or remorse from this moment onward.

Gurinder and Brian are exactly the same. They both believe that “life is fair”.
I don’t.

Gurinder and Brian are exactly the same. They both believe that “life is fair”.
I don’t.
Posted by: Sonia | April 21, 2020 at 01:45 PM
I still struggle with the free will vs no free will perspectives, as taught by Hazur Maharaj Charan Singh Ji in – Spiritual Perspectives.

Nobody is trying to change you nor expect you to feel remorse or guilt, why would you even think that?
The only guilt anyone feels about is stuff they inflict on themselves, through their own unreasonable expectations to be free of our own shortcomings.
No one, especially no guru who has your own best interest at heart is ever going to expect you to feel any guilt or remorse for being in the condition that we already are.
Why would anyone want someone who is already in a state of unfree condition and bondage to feel worse than they are when all they ever want for that person is to become truly free of all their restrictions and hurt?

Life is Fair, as unfair as it looks to us from our vantage point of perspective.
I wonder if Brian still believes that is what he wrote, in retrospect. Perhaps he thinks it’s wholly unfair now that USA (and the world) have got this massive silent killer killing off (innocent) folks and they got a buffoon in the White house orchestrating it’s demise. With China firing off the first Salvo of the biological war?
Nothing throughout history has ever been ‘fair’ from the standpoint of the oppressed or the recipients of disease and disaster.
Neither did the dinosaurs think the meteor coming out of nowhere to obliterate their existence was in anyway ‘fair’. Nor did the multitude of people and societies decimated by dictators and warmongering tyrants from time immemorial to now think that any of it has ever been ‘fair’.
Unfortunately it is, there’s no freedom from suffering when born into the world, whether born with a silver spoon in our mouth or under shackles of oppression weighing on our hapless hearts, life is fair when under the yoke of the arbitrator giving and taking care of ‘fairness’.

No one, especially no guru who has your own best interest at heart is ever going to expect you to feel any guilt or remorse for being in the condition that we already are.
Why would anyone want someone who is already in a state of unfree condition and bondage to feel worse than they are when all they ever want for that person is to become truly free of all their restrictions and hurt?
Posted by: someonedunit | April 21, 2020 at 04:01 PM
Makes sense. 🙃

I still struggle with the free will vs no free will perspectives, as taught by Hazur Maharaj Charan Singh Ji in – Spiritual Perspectives.
Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | April 21, 2020 at 02:37 PM
When you figure it out let me know. 😅

Death is a natural part of life as ironic as that may sound. Why are you so afraid of it? Whenever someone passes, even if they are someone I love I feel this profound sense of peace. Only twice have I not felt this peace—perhaps because those two souls were reincarnated into this world of suffering. I don’t know really…
I’m not afraid to die but I also recognize that none of us will sooner or later than our appointed time.
That’s something I’ve always believed. And I guess with that in mind I really should believe in determinism. Like, there are 100 reasons why my dad should be dead right now but he isn’t. Part of my ego believes that’s because I won’t let go of him. But that’s just my ego. The truth is his time has not come yet.
It’s time to make peace with death. Especially now. We only have today—and no one can guarantee that we will live to see the end of this day.
I have no regrets—especially considering that everything has happened according to His divine will. How can He possibly make a mistake? It’s impossible. This is something that should reassure us all and give us peace. So, when you close your eyes to sleep just remember “everything is as it should be”. That’s comforting.
Now I lay my head…

My almost-13-year-old niece identifies as a “he/him”. It’s kind of a newish attitude in the LGBTQ+ community. She’s so unbelievably creative and very active in the arts. And as feminine as she may appear at first, she is not comfortable in a female body. Apparently she’s given this a lot of thought. We’ve had many discussions about this. I keep thinking it’s a phase and I just try to focus on encouraging her to make good grades and to continue with her creative projects. I’m not sure what causes a person to have such extreme gender identity issues. Perhaps she was male in several past lives. Or perhaps she just doesn’t feel safe being a woman in this world. I can relate to that.
We still live in a male dominated society. Women are seen as objects, trophies or just something to put on the shelf or to serve men’s needs.
Not much has changed really. Despite all the activism of the Women’s Rights movement, men still treat women as inferior. Especially men in power.
Perhaps God really is a woman. I can only hope… It’s incredulous—you love your daughters but treat every other woman as if their job is to serve your needs.
Seems the human race hasn’t made much progress at all.

When you figure it out let me know. 😅
Posted by: Sonia | April 21, 2020 at 06:05 PM
Limited free will, like you quoted our Guru GSD. Is the most logical perspective I feel at this time.

Limited free will, like you quoted our Guru GSD. Is the most logical perspective I feel at this time.
Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | April 21, 2020 at 11:09 PM
I’ve written him but he doesn’t answer.
However, I’ve been thinking this evening and somehow my life makes sense. There’s a pattern—a theme that’s been running through my life since the day I was born. And no matter how hard I try and how creative I get there is absolutely nothing I can do to change this pattern (other than maybe becoming a Scientologist 😂). I have to accept that I will always hope and be let down. The things that I desire most I will never have. I must have made a lot of promises to people in my past life that I didn’t fulfill. And who knows what I did in my life before that… and my life before that one, and so on.
In a way it’s really liberating because I can stop trying. I can stop putting all my energy into changing things. I can stop believing other people’s promises and just learn to be content with my life now, which has become incredibly simple.
It is very freeing. That’s the upside to believing in predestination.
No more hopes. Just living in the here and now. Zen Buddhism would be very compatible I guess.
It’s been an interesting day full of revelations. And now I’m finally going to sleep. It’s ridiculously late…
🙂

Tiny Revelation
https://youtu.be/7FdDLvED_4E
77

My husband and I are seriously about to get divorced over this free will vs zero free will thing. I’m still trying to figure it out. Nothing makes sense. Life is meaningless.

OK, I’m feeling less depressed than I did last night and this morning. Life is still sort of meaningless but I’m OK with that. The way I figure, even if life is now “meaningless” based on my new understanding of free will, I can still carry on as I have all my life and pretend that I have free will. I think that’s what most of us do—we just pretend.
It’s better to care about art and music and books and friends and nature than to spend too much time on philosophical matters. A little bit of philosophically is OK, but too much and you end up falling down the rabbit hole.
This is why “God” gave us superficial stuff to keep us preoccupied. If we start thinking too hard we’ll be like 🙀🙀🙀. And you can’t sit in meditation 24 hours a day. If you did the result would be the same —> 🙀🙀🙀.
Balance.
We don’t have control over everything that happens to us. We’re born preconditioned and our personality is the result of past impressions, home environment and DNA. None of us got to choose our skin color or place of birth. We don’t choose our height or eye color. We can control of affect certain things but the majority of stuff is out of our hands.
I guess this realization should keep us humble and help us not waste too much mental, emotional or physical energy trying to get what’s not meant to be.
I can’t remember when I read Brian’s book, Life is Fair. It was a long time ago and I think I borrowed it from a friend. Anyway, I can’t even remember if it talked about past lives and past life karma although I’m assuming it did. Quite honestly, I can’t remember hardly any of the Sant Mat books I’ve read since it’s been a while. I picked one up the other day that I had never seen before. My husband left it outside my door to read (we have separate rooms because I can’t sleep in the same bed with another human being and our new bedroom isn’t big enough for two full-size beds although our old room was set up that way). Anyway, the book is called ‘from self to Shabd’. I opened straight to page 23 and started laughing. It’s the first time a Sant Mat book has ever made me laugh. It was actually really funny. You’d have to get the book to understand why.
I wish I had a copy of Life is Fair. Guess I’ll have to order it online from RSSB to fully understand their take on free will. I never cared about the issue before but for some inexplicable reason it’s incredibly interesting to me now.

@Sonia
Why is this so difficult
Why you can’t believe you are God Almighty in Demo Version
You have all the tools to make it the Prof Version
Plus, . . . it is SO satisfying – don’t re-drink
777
I had a Satsang Friend (98) and he had all books about poesy from the entire world
I sais : When you consume all those styles you still know
nothing about poesy elsewhere in the universe
DROP IT
He died at 99 , He will be born again
BTW that contained a lot of fun all that long life but he needs
attach himself to something ETERNAL and no need to repeat what that is
I Love it but not enough too.
777
Nobody can solve the riddle of non free will unless becoming totally
the One Version with total free will
Ramana Maharshi:
To know HIM You have to BE HIM

Nobody can solve the riddle of non free will unless becoming totally
the One Version with total free will
Ramana Maharshi:
To know HIM You have to BE HIM
Posted by: 👏To know HIM You have to BE HIM👏 | April 22, 2020 at 04:00 PM
I completely agree… it’s a riddle for sure. Almost a chicken / egg riddle. OK, that’s way over simplifying it. But still. 😊 And, don’t worry, I’m not “re-drinking”.

Poor Matthew
Scorpios love those who are nasty and harm them
and kill those who love them
( from the nook. haha )
Seems to be true
7

@7
A Scorpio’s biggest weakness is their inability to trust easily—it takes a really long time. That being the case, what is familiar often feels safe even if it’s not ideal. And it takes time for other people to understand them. But they’re not sadists. Leo’s roar but are usually pretty soft hearted. Scorpios look scary but have no ability to sting if you’re not afraid of them.
Anyway, poor Matthew (whoever that is)

“Scorpios love those who are nasty and harm them
and kill those who love them”
You couldn’t be more wrong !!
The Phoenix – The phoenix is the ultimate goal as a Scorpio.
The mythical phoenix is destroyed and rises above its own ashes (another Pluto trait).
Life is hard. A Scorpio knows how hard life can be.
But when a Scorpio reaches the symbol of the phoenix, he or she has achieved a mature, stable, and comfortable life in the face of difficulties.
Knowing they can survive anything, Scorpios at this point don’t bog themselves down with petty arguments and plots of revenge.
The phoenix has risen above all that nonsense, adopting a “live and let live” attitude, and once again, trusting God to handle affairs of revenge and violence.
The phoenix is the most peaceful of the Scorpio symbols.
The older Scorpio has usually achieved this based on all of life’s lessons.

Poor Matthew
Scorpios love those who are nasty and harm them
and kill those who love them
( from the nook. haha )
Seems to be true
7
Posted by: 7 | April 23, 2020 at 11:52 AM
The Phoenix Complex: Surviving Scorpios Death Instinct
http://scorpioland.org/phoenix-complex-surviving-scorpios-death-instinct/
More from various sources:
Scorpio ascendants are very charismatic,magnetic and powerfull people. This is the strongest and most difficult ascendant of all.
Scorpio and Pluto endows people with powers of regeneration, transformation and transmutation. At its best, Scorpio energy can allow one to transmute darkness into light, to courageously venture where others are too afraid, giving them the ability to heal themselves,
Scorpio frightens people, and for good reason. It’s extreme. For Scorpio the world is black and white. It’s a place where forgiveness is possible yet forgetting never happens. With built-in radar, Scorpio smells secrets like others smell fire. It knows where the bodies are buried, what is vulnerable, and where it is hidden.
And it knows what it wants. Cleanly used, desire is a liberating force. Nothing is so clarifying as knowing what you absolutely and truly want. That’s very different from knowing what you think you should want. It’s not the same thing at all as knowing what you are expected to want. Knowing what you truly want is entirely different from knowing what your parent, spouse, sibling, best friend, or colleague wants. Scorpio taps the power of your own, authentic, untamed desire. It’s the most empowering force in the Universe.
We don’t see much of that kind of desire in contemporary culture. The power of desire has been taken from us by a consumer economy that replaces authentic wants with manufactured ones that are easier to control.
This is the sign that can cut off its nose to spite its face. Only Taurus, Scorpio’s complementary opposite, is more stubborn. There are also obsessions and addictions aplenty when false and true desires get all tangled up with each other, as they so often do. There’s also the fury of having one’s desires thwarted, and the cold desire for revenge that follows.
Within Scorpio’s magnetic power is the ability to burn out revenge, to untangle the true from the false desire, to let go and be transformed. That’s why Scorpio is associated with sexuality, with death, and with rebirth. Letting go and being transformed is what all three are about.

@: ♏️ | : zenjen: Sonya
So nice to hear how high a scorpio eventually can climb on the divine spiral
I must say : Bad memories made me reflect Matthew’s eventual divorce
Each summer in the morning I save some scorpions from the bottom of the swimming pool and then they walk away after a few hours,
I’m intrigued 🙂 remembering some human scorpios , . . . poor Matthew Taylor
Hope there is no damage
7

Hey Sonia
You are certainly contributing to a lot of conversations and I would like to acknowledge your ongoing honesty and open-ness.
Re the neck – all the very best. I can relate to some degree as I’ve had on-going trouble over the last 25 years or so – some structural change affecting nerves/blood supply etc.
The free will debate will never end! One way to think about it is that free will/lack of, relates to ‘individuals’. When through some sort of realisation this ‘individual’ is seen to be mostly a mental/emotional construct, then one could say the game is over as the issue becomes moot, same for karma also. Of course it then becomes the game of well what the f’k am I then?
The RSSB teachings have confused this issue by keep going on about the soul being an individual entity therefor transferring the free-will issue to it, when to me the soul is more about expanded consciousness rather than a limited ‘packet’ (self).
That book your husband just passed onto you, is in my view a move in this ‘consciousness’ direction by RSSB. I read it last year and (from memory) commented that it appears to use the terms shabd, consciousness and soul interchangeably. Nisargadatta was even mentioned. Holy Advaitics! Yet I felt it still kept reverting to standard dogma at times, almost like having to tow the party line.
Looking at it critically this brings back the same old debate about what the teachings are really about – and one way to put it is they are not what they seem. 777 a champion of RSSB and GSD on this blog keeps hinting at it when he says things like ‘soul = shabd’ , ‘ YOU WERE NEVER EVER : NOT’, [people] ‘are the All Pervading Purusha’. I agree that this is ultimately what things are about, yet I can’t recall any older RSSB book stating things like this, mind you my book collection is gathering a lot of dust.…
Best wishes

The older Scorpio has usually achieved this based on all of life’s lessons.
Posted by: zenjen | April 23, 2020 at 04:23 PM
Yes, after a certain point in life Scorpio sun or rising get pretty tired of those who don’t treat them well. The whole power play gets old and exhausting. It’s not that Scorpios “kill” those who love them, it’s that they’re wise enough to recognize those who profess to love them but don’t have the strength to stick around.

@7
Who is Matthew?! My husband’s name is a very common name but not Matthew.
I’m not getting divorced. I practically had to kill my first husband to get rid of him and we still ended up being roommates (just friends—we dated other people) after the divorce. He even started a band called My Beautiful ex-wife 😂 (eventually abbreviated to MBXW). Today/23rd was his birthday actually and I wished him happy birthday since we keep in touch. We’ve always been close but just friends. There was never any romance in our relationship. ANYWAY.
Thanks for saving the scorpions. I have 5 planets in Libra and they haven’t done sh*t to help me with my extremely intense Scorpio Ascendant. Probably because I have Pluto in Libra (an astrologer could explain why that f*k’d everything up in my chart).
I APOLOGIZE for being a ranting, intense, half crazed, Scorpio Ascendant—my Libra placements have actually intensified it to an exhausting degree. But deep down I’m extremely empathetic. I always feel HORRIBLE when I know I’ve hurt someone even if I don’t show it. Sometimes it actually makes me physically ill when I know I’m responsible for someone else’s pain. But the guilt freaks me out and I don’t do a very good job of patching things up.
Regardless, I’m not getting divorced. Till DEATH doth us part! Just hope I don’t accelerate that process. 😬 Life with me hard livin’.
Anyway… this is soooo me: http://scorpioland.org/understanding-scorpio-need-for-solitude-within-relationship/

@Tim
not in th books but in meditation, straight vertebrae
It’s what Gurinder means with ONE
It would be more logical
to understand if Purusha_Prakiti
had done just one Soul at the time, . . two or three perhaps
But all the zillions of universes filled. . . . why not!
Guess HE liked it that way
777
for S*. it is a great axioma <. Nothing happens what you not want(ed) So, don"t have chaurasi_nightmares.... be happy

Hey Sonia
You are certainly contributing to a lot of conversations and I would like to acknowledge your ongoing honesty and open-ness.
Re the neck – all the very best. I can relate to some degree as I’ve had on-going trouble over the last 25 years or so – some structural change affecting nerves/blood supply etc.
The free will debate will never end! One way to think about it is that free will/lack of, relates to ‘individuals’. When through some sort of realisation this ‘individual’ is seen to be mostly a mental/emotional construct, then one could say the game is over as the issue becomes moot, same for karma also. Of course it then becomes the game of well what the f’k am I then?
The RSSB teachings have confused this issue by keep going on about the soul being an individual entity therefor transferring the free-will issue to it, when to me the soul is more about expanded consciousness rather than a limited ‘packet’ (self).
That book your husband just passed onto you, is in my view a move in this ‘consciousness’ direction by RSSB. I read it last year and (from memory) commented that it appears to use the terms shabd, consciousness and soul interchangeably. Nisargadatta was even mentioned. Holy Advaitics! Yet I felt it still kept reverting to standard dogma at times, almost like having to tow the party line.
Looking at it critically this brings back the same old debate about what the teachings are really about – and one way to put it is they are not what they seem. 777 a champion of RSSB and GSD on this blog keeps hinting at it when he says things like ‘soul = shabd’ , ‘ YOU WERE NEVER EVER : NOT’, [people] ‘are the All Pervading Purusha’. I agree that this is ultimately what things are about, yet I can’t recall any older RSSB book stating things like this, mind you my book collection is gathering a lot of dust.…
Best wishes
Posted by: Tim Rimmer | April 23, 2020 at 08:43 PM
Hi Tim,
OMG, I know! I’m contributing waaay too much. I keep telling myself I’m going to take a break from contributing for at least a week but hasn’t happened yet. I read a few other blogs just for fun but don’t comment. I just read the posts and am not interested in what the commenters have to say on those blogs. Besides, even though I am soooo open here, it’s actually quite out of character for me. I mean I’m friendly and very sociable for about an hour or two a day and then retreat to my cave. Also, I’m in bed quite a lot these days because of my neck. I had a ski accident 20 years ago and then I basically got stabbed in the neck a few months after I got initiated in 2006 (very long story). It damaged my top cervical disc very badly and all the other discs successively completely degenerated over time. I should have had surgery 5 years ago when my doctor told me but I was scared. Now the pain is finally overriding the fear. I can’t even “sit” in meditation. I have to lie down. I keep ice on my neck all the time and have avoided pain killers but from time to time use steroids.
Gosh, I hope you get your neck sorted out. It’s very dangerous considering all the nerves it affects. And the pain is no fun. You don’t want to have to undergo neck surgery when you’re elderly—recovery is hard enough (from what I’ve been told). Best of luck to you on that.
Free will… what a can of worms. I just never gave much thought to it before because I never considered “zero” free will. Not sure why it bugged me so much for a few days but it did get me to download and listen to ‘As a Man Thinketh’. It only takes an hour to read or listen to and you may not agree with all of it but it is something I should listen to at least once a week to remind me that I’m responsible for what happens in my life and to not try and blame other people or circumstances.
Yes, I agree with you about the book and it’s “new” direction. The truth is the Truth and I actually really appreciate the direction GSD is taking. Putting things in today’s terms. Avoiding some of the “folk” dogma.
I will TRY to refrain from commenting so much but I’ve gotten so comfortable with this “crowd” and I’m practically bed ridden half the time so the temptation to contribute is pretty strong. 😂
I have 3 friends that I keep in touch with on a daily basis but no deep philosophical conversations.
All the best

for S*. it is a great axioma <. Nothing happens what you not want(ed) So, don"t have chaurasi_nightmares.... be happy Posted by: 💛❤.🐕 ❤💛 | April 23, 2020 at 09:15 PM I know. I’ve known since the first time I met... but life doesn’t feel real

@Sonia
For this kind of cervical troubles without medication
Intermittanf traction
from True Trac. ( US Company )
Rather expensive – applies installable traction next loosens electronically
If you can’t find I will look on the device 4U
You can make something similar using gravity by filling a big bottle with water , next emptying etc
See not you doing that!
Good luck
7

Hi 7,
Maybe the chaurasi thing was to me..?
It’s very sweet of you that you mention that..thank you!!
Yes.. I’ve worried so terribly much about that..
Scared me to dead..
Now I am over that!!
And idd Babaji helped me with that too..
He has very much changed things..
Indeed talking about the Oness etc..he definitely loosend things up.
So now..I do’nt have to ‘believe things..but just Be and undergo..
I am happy Maharaji teached about vegetarian life ..,now I am for a longer time a vegan.
So no animal suffering..

“We still live in a male dominated society. ”
Of all the insane things I’ve read on this blog, this is the most insane of them all. It’s like people are stuck in a 1970’s propaganda loop and can’t get out.

Imo, only the Sat Guru can answer the question correctly. So it should be redirected to Baba Gurinder Singh.
Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | April 21, 2020 at 12:43 PM
I think the article has his reply. To quote from the article
” The belief that we have ‘free’ will arises because we are looking at things only from our human perspective. That perspective changes as we develop spiritually and a wider picture emerges.”
So develop spiritually and know the schema.

@Sonia
For this kind of cervical troubles without medication
Intermittanf traction
from True Trac. ( US Company )
Rather expensive – applies installable traction next loosens electronically
If you can’t find I will look on the device 4U
You can make something similar using gravity by filling a big bottle with water , next emptying etc
See not you doing that!
Good luck
7
Posted by: 💛❤.🐕 ❤💛 | April 24, 2020 at 04:57 AM
Gosh, wow. Thanks so much for looking that up. Yes, Tru Trac is expensive but I saw similar products/devices that would help and are less expensive when I searched for Tru Trac. Will help a lot I’m sure. 🙏

” The belief that we have ‘free’ will arises because we are looking at things only from our human perspective. That perspective changes as we develop spiritually and a wider picture emerges.”
So develop spiritually and know the schema.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | April 24, 2020 at 08:24 AM
Do we have the free will to develop spiritually or is that controlled by destiny as well?

“We still live in a male dominated society. ”
Of all the insane things I’ve read on this blog, this is the most insane of them all. It’s like people are stuck in a 1970’s propaganda loop and can’t get out.
Posted by: Jesse | April 24, 2020 at 07:54 AM
OMG, did I say that???
That must have been on one of my decaf latte days.
My apologies. If I lived in India I’d have every right to say that but being an American with only first world problems, I’ll just blame that idiotic statement on Starbucks for not secretly giving me my usual daily morning order. They know me well enough to know what a bad idea no caffeine is. They’re a bunch of millennial and Gen Y boys. Poor guys. I’ll let them know next time I see them to stop listening to me.
(Seriously, I’m useless without caffeine.)

What do you drink at Starbucks, Sonia? I drink mochas. Not just from Starbucks, but from everywhere that sells them. Milky chocolate coffee is one of the best caffeinated substances on the planet.
Now, to my covid rant. As I was saying in my previous long and more angry covid rants (some of which you guys are lucky weren’t published) the entirety of available data sets have been garbage and to call their predictions wrong is something far more severe than a massive understatement.
There are a million things I’m not posting here because I don’t want to discourage people from practicing their religion of panic (which many seem to naturally be less devoted to lately anyway) but that a state is reducing their numbers because of misreporting the cause of death among other things is important. It would not be unwarranted to think that the same reporting errors mentioned in this article have happened globally but without the corresponding honest downward adjustments. Keeping the numbers high was the only way to get billions of people to lock themselves inside as some kind of sick social experiment or whatever this psychosis inducing spectacle is all about.
Anami would be absolutely shocked to read of this potential multiplication of deaths by ten I guess, since he knew, he just KNEW that there was an entire system of trustworthy souls accurately inspecting each and every reported instance of panic 19-
“Jeffrey Conner, the coroner in Franklin County, said he was blindsided by the department’s news on Tuesday that 10 people had died of COVID-19 in the county. As of Wednesday afternoon, he said, he was aware of only one death.”
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/spl/pennsylvania-death-count-changes-confusion-coroanvirus-20200423.html

Mocha Frappuccinos!

Here’s another beauty from the news that won’t get a lot of attention-
“”If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who’s listed as a COVID death doesn’t mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death.” Dr. Ezike outlined.”
This is the “hard science trust real true” data we’re dealing with. “even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.” Read that a thousand times and remember that the the news is using these artificially inflated numbers more than any others, and then consider that the deaths from the shutdown likely already outnumber real covid deaths, but we’ll never know because nobody is counting or reporting those deaths anywhere because poor people don’t count.
https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/

Poor Matthew
Scorpios love those who are nasty and harm them
and kill those who love them
( from the nook. haha )
Seems to be true
7
Posted by: 7 | April 23, 2020 at 11:52 AM
This is haunting me. Why would you even say this? I had a really bad dream about it.
Watching ‘Big Little Lies’ because my friends recommended it along with a dozen other TV series and movies. My friends have completely run out of things to do during this quarantine since all of them live in urban settings and don’t have kids… they’re stuck with just TV, the internet and door dash.”
My God, what did they do during the Spanish flu??! Oh, I guess they just plowed the fields and tended the gardens as per normal—until they fell ill. Yuck. No, thank you.
Now might be a good time to change professions. I would love to be a movie critic. 🤔 Watched ‘Blow the Man Down’ last night. As much as I adore Margot Martindale and pretty much any movie or TV series set in Maine, this one is a must miss. Peanut Butter Falcon and Jojo Rabbit are the two best films I’ve seen peri-quarantine. Tomorrow night we’re watching ‘Edie’.

Here are the links to the two film recommendations:
The Peanut Butter Falcon
https://youtu.be/UNl9RqjLCwc
Jojo Rabbit
https://youtu.be/tL4McUzXfFI
That should get you through another day of quarantine.
You’re welcome.

Is religion potentially bad for people with mental illnesses?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3705681/

I have no regrets—especially considering that everything has happened according to His divine will. How can He possibly make a mistake? It’s impossible. This is something that should reassure us all and give us peace. So, when you close your eyes to sleep just remember “everything is as it should be”. That’s comforting.
Now I lay my head…
Posted by: Sonia | April 21, 2020 at 09:28 PM
Weigh your words as you utter them and your actions as you undertake them. You have a pact with your master and you need to honour your bit. An the pact means your Guru can be his usual forgiving type or god forbid the cracking the whip types.
Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.

Connection between Spirituality and Depression:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psychiatry-the-people/201804/spiritual-not-religious-is-associated-depression
Spirituality andDepression:
https://spiritualityhealth.com/articles/2019/07/04/spirituality-and-depression
Believe in Something! The I-don’t-knows suffer greater mental distress than athiests and religious people.
https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/31/are-both-religious-believers-and-atheists-less-depressed-existentially-unc
https://theconversation.com/why-inability-to-cope-with-uncertainty-may-cause-mental-health-problems-105406

Do we have the free will to develop spiritually or is that controlled by destiny as well?
Posted by: Imsoconfused | April 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM
Putting the effort to develop spiritually yes. The result i.e. you will spiritually awaken not really.
One isn’t initiated if he/she didn’t have the potential to spiritually awaken in this very life time and certainly over 3 or is it 4 lifetimes.
Doesn’t the RSSB master say you have to travel the path yourself with your meditation as the means.
@sonia
You are privileged – not only do you know the reality of this creation but have been initiated as well.
A little bit of mindfulness and organising is all it takes according to this friend of mine who has introduced me to RSSB teachings. ( I am not a follower still)
So go for it. But don’t forget to reveal the schema of free will or lack thereof once you have spiritually awakened. If permitted to reveal that is.

@Sonia
I don’t know why
But checking the time_stamp
it is serendipity_wise,
when a scorpio friend committed suicide
and I never believed how much that still would hurt me
Can’t think about something else – cry!
7

Weigh your words as you utter them and your actions as you undertake them. You have a pact with your master and you need to honour your bit. An the pact means your Guru can be his usual forgiving type or god forbid the cracking the whip types.
Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | April 25, 2020 at 12:58 AM
Trevor,
Timely and interesting comment, “Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.“
I’ve never forgotten that and that is exactly what caused the extreme bitterness that drove us apart. He doles out punishment and no forgiveness for past sins (in my case something I did when I was in my 20’s). I had such bitterness towards Him for that.
But that’s my Chiron. I’m starting not to care about… but a tremendous amount of apathy in general surrounds the subject.
I’ll weigh my words carefully.
Apparently some sins can’t be forgiven. That’s fine but there will never be closeness or love where that is concerned. Just a sense of duty and obligation.
Chiron rules here.

@Trevor
I’ll do what I have to do—my meditation and the vows. But GSD is an extremely harsh Master. However, they say you get the Master you deserve. It hasn’t been an easy relationship to say the very least but it’s my karma, duty and obligation. So be it. Like an arranged marriage.

“A little bit of mindfulness and organising is all it takes according to this friend of mine who has introduced me to RSSB teachings. ( I am not a follower still)”
Oh come on man. You come here under different names and repeat yourself verbatim. Maybe you think it’s common and that hundreds of people continually speak on behalf of RSSB because their friend is a follower, but it’s not. It’s one of the weirdest things you can say to be honest.
And if you aren’t the same person as the other one who absolutely loves and defends RSSB as the only truth in this world, but only has friends who are initiated, then there are at least two weirdos out there that I’m glad I don’t know in real life.

Here’s another beautiful covid moment. Our heroes are literally in a war zone surrounded by piles of human bodies and being overcome by the stench of death, but that doesn’t stop them from choreographing dance routines, doing some long line dance and laughing in the midst of the dead and their families, and otherwise having a grand ol fun time!
My grandfather received a purple heart award for losing an entire leg in a war. I wonder if he was dancing and laughing during the war like these national heroes are doing.
Even if none of them were made during the pandemic I’m still gonna be more cautious if I ever have to enter a hospital again. The places are filled with clowns.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1249691577745920000.html

Sonya, I enjoy your comments, you make me smile… “I APOLOGIZE for being a ranting, intense, half crazed, Scorpio Ascendant”.
Try to extract yourself from thoughts and feelings simply by living in the moment. No expectations. No free will. Just being. Even if life sucks and you are going through misery and pain. Its just that. We don’t know why we are here and suffering. How will we ever know? This is the life we are meant to live. There is the good and the bad. What is this world? Who am I? Why am I here? Maybe we will know when we die and rise from the ashes – I hope so.

@Sonia
GSD is an extremely harsh Master
I doubt that
Try 24/7 Simran – as if it’s oxygen
💛💛💛

Hey, Jesse.
Our coronavirus discussion started here
https://churchofthechurchless.com/2020/03/open-thread-31-free-speech-for-comments?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a52014c0200b#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a52014c0200b
with the video that you posted of Dr Wolfgang Wodarg.
https://youtu.be/0qwiyxedC_o
A few comments later, I offered my analysis.
To summarize, Dr Wodarg claims that COVID-19 would be blamed for deaths that were really caused by the flu, because they can co-occur in patients. 7:21 in the video: “…we would’ve expected to find 2,000 to 3,000 people dying from a flu each year, that also had the coronavirus.” The alleged epidemic was nothing to worry about, just virologists and politicians causing panic.
2,000 or 3,000? Germany is at 5,843 and counting, even with social distancing.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
They’re still losing 150-200 a day, so by Monday the number of coronavirus deaths will exceed 6,000. Dr Wodarg was off by a factor of two or three, suggesting on its own that C-19 is more than an innocent bystander.
Early in the video he says he conducted a health department–but only for a region of 150,000 people! How does he keep a straight face? He was somewhat notorious to begin with…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Wodarg

@zen
Who am I? Why am I here? Maybe we will know when we die and rise from the ashes – I hope so.
Posted by: zenjen | April 25, 2020 at 02:36 PM
Wauw is that
You had Scorpio in the Sun in your past life and know all about it!
May I suggest
Not the ashes but the slow development of Love
like:
💛💛💛 God IS each of us 💛💛💛 He just looks how long it takes to develop Compassion when applying a litttle bit of amnesia. 💛💛💛
Kind of Vivisection
777

@Anami
It would be so nice broadcasters would work mote with percentages
Then we see immediately. which approach is best
Sweden?
The truth like with free will is in the middle
7

Anami, but like, Sweden and Iceland bro.
Also there’s no evidence that “social distancing” has reduced infections. It could increase infection since shoving large amounts of people into crowded grocery and liquor stores without masks probably isn’t helpful.
Plus a factor of 3 is a bit better than many orders of magnitude which is the error which your faith is trying to justify and make excuses for.
You’re wrong and it’s embarrassing, but I’ve moved on from that. What we need to know now is how wrong I am about the economic fallout. Because while some like to say “how can you sacrifice lives for an economy”, the sane among us realize that economies are lives. Economies are food. Economies are shelter. So you better hope that I’m wrong, because if the economy falls apart, you’re gonna see far more death an pain than this semi-strong flu-like virus has produced.
Think of me when your neighbors kick in your door to steal your food.

@7
Germany:
Total cases/million population = 1,868
Tests/million = 24,738
Deaths = 5,877
Cases = 156,513
Death in 3.75% of cases
Sweden:
Total cases/million population = 1,800
Tests/million = 9,357
Deaths = 2,192
Cases = 18,177
Death in 12% of cases
Germany and Sweden are interesting to compare. The total cases/million population are similar, but the virus looks much deadlier in Sweden for those infected. Why? The lighter approach to social distancing? Culture? Genetics? Statistical error with less testing? Something else?
💛▶ in the middle ◀💛
·······Words to live by·······

There are spreadsheets everywhere but
this %. of 12. said it all
USA is bad either. is 20 %. almost ( CNN 980 000 / 54 000. )
So Sweden is better , . . very light distancing no close
Here in France we had 3 weekends of BIG manifestations in Paris
without social distancing by the Unions against Pension reforms
The don t want to go to 65 years – Now is 62 I believe
but certain groups is much lower
World”s card in %. would be a quick understanding
Thank U. Anami.
7

7–
Sorry, I have to correct your math on USA deaths/cases:
54,000/980,000
= 0.055
= 5.5%

“Think of me when your neighbors kick in your door to steal your food.”
Yeah, like they’d actually get off their sofas.

Imo, only the Sat Guru can answer the question correctly. So it should be redirected to Baba Gurinder Singh.
Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | April 21, 2020 at 12:43 PM
I think the article has his reply. To quote from the article
” The belief that we have ‘free’ will arises because we are looking at things only from our human perspective. That perspective changes as we develop spiritually and a wider picture emerges.”
So develop spiritually and know the schema.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | April 24, 2020 at 08:24 AM
You haven’t sough Naam from the Sat Guru?
So what method do you use to develop spiritually, e.g. Kundalini yoga?

Has anyone noticed how the heads of the CDC, WHO, Bill “I remained friends with Epstein even after he was convicted of raping children” Gates, and basically everyone else in any position of power NEVER wears a mask even in the midst of large crowds of other public figures who obviously have a higher risk of contracting this coronavirus bullshit?
It’s almost as if the people who are asking us to destroy the entire economy (also known as the source of sustenance for all mankind) and to lock ourselves in our homes like caged animals, are themselves not afraid of this disease that is going to supposedly kill everything.
Why are they not afraid? Do they know things that you and I don’t?

“Think of me when your neighbors kick in your door to steal your food.”
Yeah, like they’d actually get off their sofas.
Posted by: anami | April 26, 2020 at 08:30 AM
😂😂😂

You haven’t sough Naam from the Sat Guru?
So what method do you use to develop spiritually, e.g. Kundalini yoga?
Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | April 26, 2020 at 09:25 AM
Not initiated. Light years away from any Religion (by birth Christianity). Spiritual development – a notion only still. No step taken towards this.

Not initiated. Light years away from any Religion (by birth Christianity). Spiritual development – a notion only still. No step taken towards this.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | April 26, 2020 at 01:11 PM
The Christian world must thus need your advancement? Big ups to true followers of Christ.
Peace be with you.

@Trevor
You’re like a civilized version of Georgy.
@Jesse @anami
Maybe you need this in case your neighbors “kick your door in to steel your food”. https://youtu.be/9Ffiq0ayU-Q
I love Sebastian. 🤣

Dear Satsangins, Trumpettes and other far lesser mortals,
We bring you greeting from Bhanwar Gupha!
We seek your urgent assistance.
We are searching for one of your human organisations, the Noble Committee. We were sent an alert from them saying that we at HOGWASH had won a prize for spreading peas around the multi-verse. We have searched your earth dimension high and low for many yugas looking for this mysterious organisation the Noble Committee to collect our prize, but have so far been unable to locate it.
We are beginning to suspect these prizes have been awarded to us fraudulently and that this Noble Committee is a product of Kal, an illusion. We at HOGWASH suspect the deeply twisted and disturbed mind of the abhorrent and perverted demon who goes by the name of “manjit” on this forum may be behind all this. Please beware of his antics.
Blessings to the True Believers,
HOGWASH

Anami, according to “experts” some states before the coronavirus hype were wrongly reporting causes of death over 50% of the time… But how can that be? I was assured by the scientifically faithful that we could trust the experts and their magic numbers.
And Anami, this directly contradicts what you said about the hospital staff who’ve been trained as masters and always record the cause of death correctly-
“The widespread inaccuracy of death certificate information stems largely from the varying levels of expertise of those who complete the forms, experts said. ”
EXPERTS SAID! I choose to believe experts with full faith. They’re all anonymously telling the news how wrong they are, but that we need to lock the whole world down based on their wrong shoddy data. It’s such an enlightening spiritual experience.
Just keep believing in the masters, with their bright and shining hospital garb. The real holy ones.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/04/25/coronavirus-death-toll-hard-track-1-3-death-certificates-wrong/3020778001/

For the record, no one “owns” my soul. Please choose your words more carefully.

Im gonna join HOGWASH and take over the entire organization from Bhanwar Gupha all the way down to each and every tisra til. The world will be mine.

Jesse,
The whole world was already in lockdown.
84 lakh.
84 lakhdown.

Sonya, I enjoy your comments, you make me smile… “I APOLOGIZE for being a ranting, intense, half crazed, Scorpio Ascendant”.
Try to extract yourself from thoughts and feelings simply by living in the moment. No expectations. No free will. Just being. Even if life sucks and you are going through misery and pain. Its just that. We don’t know why we are here and suffering. How will we ever know? This is the life we are meant to live. There is the good and the bad. What is this world? Who am I? Why am I here? Maybe we will know when we die and rise from the ashes – I hope so.
Posted by: zenjen | April 25, 2020 at 02:36 PM
Jenzen (😁)
Thank you much. 🙏 Your words are very encouraging. I just read it. Sorry, for my late reply…
Maybe it was meant to be that I’m only just now reading your message because I’m in a much more receptive mood and I think your exactly right. We can ask questions till the day we die but it won’t change what’s happened in the past. We are where we are right now and we have to accept that on some level. (Otherwise we’ll just go crazy.)
~Sonia
☺️

OK, this is my last comment. Has anyone read the essays on the RSSB site lately. When did they get to be so loving and kind and merciful?? Definitely a positive change. Or maybe they’re changing their tone because people are losing their minds in this end time of tortuous drama. Words matter. I believe people are more fragile now than ever before in history. We’re bombarded with endless psychological demands… sometimes life feels like Chinese water torture. You can handle it for a little while but eventually everyone breaks.

The awakening of humanity.
It is almost impossible to convince anyone that has yet to awaken to the truth of human nature, that they are trapped in a perceptive reality… created by their own mind.
The human mind is a powerful creator that processes all incoming information to generate the perceptive reality we live in.
Change the information…change the perception of reality.
Looking out, it is easy to believe that the world we see, is all there is.
Albert Einstein once said,
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.”
Even in this very dense layer of reality, most humans are aware that we exist in different layers of perceptive awareness that fundamentally changes how each of us experiences life.
Still our limited perspective prevents us from applying that awareness beyond the conditioning of our mind by the Religious Institutions and Educational System… to see the trap.
I wish I could simply do as the character Morpheus did in the Matrix, and give all those that have yet to awaken a red pill to help them see what they really are… but that is not how Consciousness works.
So we have to suffer to slowly break down all our false beliefs, to finally get to a place where we are forced to look inside and feel our inherent connection to Source, nature, and one another… to understand the truth of all that we are.
That is something ‘the system’ does not want.
In regard to the required suffering…. NOW, this time when humanity is being driven into fear and being manipulated into choosing control as a form as safety, will lead directly to the suffering that will serve its purpose, and awaken the masses from the illusion.
How much we suffer depends on how many of us are awakened.
The fear you see manifesting across the face of humanity is merely a symptom of our disconnection from our true nature; a fear that is being exploited to sustain another branch of Consciousness… to feed their need.
On this plane of existence, your purpose is to awaken to your true nature, or you will continue to create suffering until it eventually forces you to change your mind, and look within for the answers.
You have been misled to look for ‘God’, safety, comfort, abundance and love…. out there.
You have been conditioned to believe that you are small and insignificant, that you are something separate from creation and the rest of humanity.
You have been conditioned by your education to believe that the system is there to protect and to help you create an independent life where you have free will.
In fact, almost everything you have been taught has been a manipulation to suppress the inevitable awakening of Consciousness and keep humanity in a State of Fear…
to hide the fact that OUR LIFE FORCE IS A RESOURCE.
(FEAR – Our underlying state of mind, or our output frequency, is a form of sustenances until we transcend into our ‘higher’ states of Being… LOVE)
If sheep could think as humans do, they would probably love the kind farmer that feeds them and protects them from predators.
They would cling to the safety of that illusion until one or two of the crazy sheep started to notice that the lambs keep disappearing.
If the herd could be convinced to shift their perception of the farmer, to focus their attention on looking for the lambs that kept mysteriously disappearing, they would finally start to smell the blood from the slaughter house hidden behind the hill. Then the sheep would suddenly realise… the fence is not there to keep the wolves out.
But they cannot….
Your mind cannot see the trap because it is the trap… a trap that has been manipulated for thousands of years.
In the age of information technology ‘they’ have just become extremely efficient at it.
Look beyond your beliefs, look at what the system suppresses…
only you can find the truth.
You won’t believe anyone else.

Hogwash and Jesse live under great delusions of grandeur

Im gonna join HOGWASH and take over the entire organization from Bhanwar Gupha all the way down to each and every tisra til. The world will be mine.
Posted by: Jesse | April 26, 2020 at 05:56 PM
Lord Indra joining Hogwash. Or better still a True Saint joining Hogwash. 🤣😂😂😂

It’s you who is changing Sonia not RSSB. It’s your perception and your receptivity that is changing. Everything is always in the eye of the beholder.
Even though people will try manipulate your thoughts and censor opinions, truth remains true no matter how subversive and undermining that some insidious people with huge disregard for open dialog and freedom of thinking will try to subvert the truth.

@jesse.
vaccinated
google in TOR :
microbiologists dead

@someonedunit
You’re right I’m more receptive.
Weigh your words as you utter them and your actions as you undertake them. You have a pact with your master and you need to honour your bit. An the pact means your Guru can be his usual forgiving type or god forbid the cracking the whip types.
Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | April 25, 2020 at 12:58 AM
Trevor,
Timely and interesting comment, “Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.“
I’ve never forgotten that and that is exactly what caused the extreme bitterness that drove us apart. He doles out punishment and no forgiveness for past sins (in my case something I did when I was in my 20’s). I had such bitterness towards Him for that.
But that’s my Chiron. I’m starting not to care about… but a tremendous amount of apathy in general surrounds the subject.
I’ll weigh my words carefully.
Apparently some sins can’t be forgiven. That’s fine but there will never be closeness or love where that is concerned. Just a sense of duty and obligation.
Chiron rules here.
@Trevor
I’m sorry I responded the way I did. I just took “Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.“ as a threat.
I realize (hope) now that you didn’t mean it like that. It just felt like you were threatening me at the time.
Anyway, I guess I have some issue and certain words trigger/scare me.

“Hogwash and Jesse live under great delusions of grandeur”
No way man.
Those posts were deadly serious. I’m not joking when I say I’m joining HOGWASH to take over the entire universe.
No delusions. This is reality.
P.S. I stayed up til 3 AM and just woke up at noon. I’m writing this in the same pajamas that I plan to wear during my universe conquering.

OK Jesse good luck with your escapades
we flippantly think we have control over our mind let alone over universes and multi verses
little do we know how little control we actually do have, its so infinitesimal that its practically nil, nienta, zero

someonedunit, you’re so wise that i am driven to tears when i read your words. are you the sant sat guru? are you GOD?

“Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.“
No-one owns your soul. Each soul is a drop in the ocean. The ocean of infinite potential.
Forget about religions and gurus. Take back your personal power. Have faith in yourself. How? Just simply watch and observe thoughts as they come and go. Be aware and alert. Don’t judge yourself. Be kind to yourself.

Another must-watch video from a scientist who though correct, not embraced by the media or the government.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Q4naYOYDw
Media thrives on panic and destruction so some, but not all, of their motives are pretty clear. But with government you can never tell if their seeming incompetence is intentional or not.
But always remember, all you faithful who believe, that you trusted the same government approved scientists that claim marijuana is more dangerous than fentanyl to guide your views on this coronavirus. And you trusted the same media who, in collaboration with foreign and domestic government, invented stories about our president urinating on hookers to start a coup.
Stop believing.

*Sudden Chinese decision shakes the corners of the entire world*
China surprised the world today and decided to cancel the dollar peg in the stock exchange transactions and decided to deal officially and the official link to the Chinese yuan instead of the dollar, and this is a bold and important step in China’s economic history. This means that the dollar has become non-existent in Chinese trading and the US dollar will fall strongly against the Chinese yuan and may affect it in global markets. And all the global markets were stunned by the decision. The news was discussed today on the BBC World English afternoon program. It is an economic war that could lead the world to a devastating war that cannot be neglected if America acts foolishly in the face of this decision !! China 2021 will lead the world. This is China’s old dream and what it planned to achieve for decades or more.
China plans a separate digital currency e-RMB, to take on fights with $
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/china-starts-major-trial-of-state-run-digital-currency
e-RMB, which is set to be the first digital currency operated by a major economy.
A sovereign *digital currency provides a functional alternative to the dollar* settlement system and blunts the impact of any sanctions or threats of exclusion both at a country and company level,” last week’s China Daily report said.
Some government employees and public servants to receive their salaries in the digital currency from May.
A decline in cash usage is expected to continue amid the growing popularity of digital payment platforms and as people avoid physical contact during the coronavirus pandemic.
It may also facilitate *integration into globally traded currency markets* with a reduced risk of politically inspired disruption.

someonedunit,
You had me worried for a second, but here’s what I turned up…
“BOOM did not find any official note supporting the claim that China has stopped pegging its currency to the dollar”
https://www.boomlive.in/fake-news/has-china-canceled-the-dollar-peg-in-stock-exchange-transactions-7927
“A report that appeared in the Forbes.com said that China was nowhere close to replacing the dollar. The dollar is gold standard and if the euro could not overtake it, the Chinese renminbi (RMB) sure will not.”
https://www.oneindia.com/india/fact-check-has-china-cancelled-the-dollar-peg-in-stock-exchange-transactions-3080480.html
“China’s central bank may be re-pegging the yuan’s exchange rate against the US dollar”
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3079243/coronavirus-china-re-pegging-yuan-us-dollar-avert-financial

Someonedunit, I don’t get why everything China does financially gets so much news coverage, usually of the doom variety, yet nothing ever happens. I’ve been reading about China selling of US bonds to crush America for a decade. But they sell some bonds and then nothing catastrophic happens.
Now this test on cancelling of the dollar peg you mention that’s gonna change the entire world seems to have had nearly no effect on the market. Contrast that to 2015 when the Swiss Franc decoupled from EUR and within hours massive brokerage houses went out of business and the entire world of finance was in a panic, there were stories of suicides coming out all over, but there was almost no major mainstream news about it.
Obviously time will tell, but China running these tests on a digital currency has had essentially no effect on markets whatsoever. Exchange rates are stable.

Yep the Chinese are gearing up to depose the US as no 1.
Dunno if that’s a good or bad thing.
But where are all these western governments getting the huge sums of money for funding massive stimulus and to bail out their workforce, if they already running big deficits.
It’s not as if only one or two are borrowing, they all doing it. So the question is who is the solvent lender stumping up all this dosh for the merry go round? And what happens when the music stops?

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/china-starts-major-trial-of-state-run-digital-currency
It’s a Guardian report from April 28th
It says it’s aiming at removing dollar peg. It’s probably aimed at replacing the dollar and doing trials in major Chinese cities. And implementing state run digital currency.
Probably they haven’t officially canceled the $ in the stock market yet but gearing up to divorce dependency on US$

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/bill-gates-is-wrong-chinas-coronavirus-coverup-is-not-a-distraction/2020/04/30/080c6986-8b11-11ea-9dfd-990f9dcc71fc_story.html
I’m wondering why this ‘philanthropist’ is so defensive of Chinese virology lab leak. What’s he got to gain from defending them? WHO deeply embedded there, is this where his virus conquering vaccine is coming from? Or he’s out to destabilize US and world economy for some ulterior end?

“canceled the $ in the stock market yet”
Well, you trade stocks in the stock market, not really currency other than some derivatives. So you don’t have to worry about that.
If China has any bravery at all they’ll just do like the Swiss did and pull the rug out from under the whole world without notice. They can’t avoid war no matter how hard they try, so they might as well just hurry up.
As for your other conspiracy theories (not saying that as a derogatory thing. the powerful conspire secretly all the time) you’ll just have to wait. You can’t find accurate dates about the year when Covid 19 started infecting humans. There’s no way in hell you’re gonna find out truths about the origins of that virus. It’s 100% politicized at this point, and all news is someone’s personal propaganda project. The Washington Post which you linked to obviously being The Bezos Blog.

Well obviously a Chinese pull out of the $ is little different to Switzerland pulling out of Euro, they’re obviously not quite ready to lay down the gauntlet just yet. Swiss don’t pose any military threat only an economic issue largely centered around the EU. But seems like China is gearing up to become less dependent on the $ and to set up a self sufficient internal digital currency to offset threats by US and UK against potential sanctions who’s sabers are being rattled already.

https://www.facebook.com/WIONews/videos/237409847473533/
Modi’s media is gunning for China also
(I really like this chick she’s a great frontline reporter) – anyway Europe Australia and USA roping in Taiwan to WHO to rub some salt in and with India stoking it up behind the scenes are gunning for Xi’s regime. Donald likes to tote his gunslinger approach, let’s see who’s going to blink first.

https://www.wionews.com/videos/gravitas-3-world-leaders-step-up-pressure-on-china-296198
I see that link was from Facebook
Here is the original WIONews link

https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/intelligence-report-says-china-lied-about-origin-of-coronavirus/amp/
https://www.newsweek.com/controversial-wuhan-lab-experiments-that-may-have-started-coronavirus-pandemic-1500503
Both articles suggest accidental release of C-19 from the Wuhan Institute of Virology but that China engaged in a coverup. The Newsweek piece explains a research method to enhance the transmissibility of natural viruses called gain-of-function (GOF), which could be suspected. It’s controversial for obvious reasons, but “Scientists in many of the more than 30 BSL-4 labs around the world had used them to enhance the transmissibility of respiratory-tract pathogens.”
Blame the player, or blame the game?

But what does Gates have to benefit from it?
He’s already made his fortune and said he’s going to give half of it away or something. For a conspiracy theory to hold any water there’s gotta be some benefit accruing to the string-puller masterminds so what would Gates be looking to get?

https://www.wionews.com/videos/gravitas-3-world-leaders-step-up-pressure-on-china-296198
I see that link was from Facebook
Here is the original WIONews link
Posted by: someonedunit | May 02, 2020 at 04:46 AM
Sorry, but this woman is completely clueless on how information is shared and given between the US President and our Intelligence community. Clueless. Any evidence he would have seen would have come from them. Also, the Intelligence community is say it’s not CONCLUSIVE that it came from the lab. That doesn’t mean that they have ruled out the possibility it just means they won’t declare something “conclusive” if it’s only 99% certain. They will only call it conclusive if it’s 100% certain.
You don’t understand how things work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/bill-gates-is-wrong-chinas-coronavirus-coverup-is-not-a-distraction/2020/04/30/080c6986-8b11-11ea-9dfd-990f9dcc71fc_story.html
I’m wondering why this ‘philanthropist’ is so defensive of Chinese virology lab leak. What’s he got to gain from defending them? WHO deeply embedded there, is this where his virus conquering vaccine is coming from? Or he’s out to destabilize US and world economy for some ulterior end?
Posted by: someonedunit | May 01, 2020 at 03:52 PM
Because Bill Gates is an idealist… and naive. Probably so naive because he’s an idealist. He certainly isn’t trying to gain anymore profit—that’s not what he’s about. He’s just one of those rainbow-pie-in-the-sky idealists. That’s not a bad thing except for when you’re dealing with people who aren’t so ideal. It’s not practical to be so blind, but it doesn’t mean he has an ulterior motive.

“They will only call it conclusive if it’s 100% certain.”
No, they will only say what is beneficial to their goals. To think that “intelligence communities” are where we should go for truth is hilarious. Who doesn’t know how things work, authority worshiper?

Don’t get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for Bill and Melinda Gates. They’re good people and have contributed a lot of good to this world. But one has to be balanced. This isn’t a perfect world. No one is perfect. There are selfish people and groups who do conspire. But not everything is a conspiracy. You have to weight the facts very carefully. Especially when it comes to the global balance of power.

“He’s already made his fortune and said he’s going to give half of it away or something…there’s gotta be some benefit accruing to the string-puller masterminds so what would Gates be looking to get?”
I’m not a believer in almost anything being said about Bill Gates, but people love power as much as they love money, and the whole “this billionaire gave away all his money” thing is completely fake. They give the money once held in their own name to accounts held in the names of the charities they want control over, and often just straight to their own fake charities.
And aside from money or power, some people just really think that they’re special and will meddle in things because they can. Some of those meddlers are billionaires. Did you not just read the news from the last few days about billionaire Americans who funded a private army in an attempt to overthrow the government of Venezuela? That’s no “conspiracy theory.” It’s a real life event that just happened, and failed. It’s but one of thousands of similar events we normally don’t hear about.

Your unexamined systems of belief are extremely powerful over your life. You must examine these beliefs carefully.
Alan Watts
https://youtu.be/7-YyQwSjXvc

Actually the naive one’s are those who think that people who have emmense financial power to influence others lives, and meddle and control and manipulate public health interests through sterilizing populations and inflict an ideology of megalomaniac proportion over humanity are doing so for philanthropic or altruistic ends. How naive can one get?
Secondly ‘that woman’ anchor for the WIONews network who ‘doesn’t know how things work’ is reading from a script that’s been put out by either the Indian government or at least by the networks overriding policy, same as Washington Post or NYT or Guardian or BBC or CNN would put out their take on ‘how things work’.
Again it’s the naivete of the audience to think that everything disseminating from any particular media platform is doing so without any ulterior motive driving it’s agenda, or whether it’s doing so for positive or negative effect.

https://www.wionews.com/videos/gravitas-coronavirus-outbreak-a-war-in-disguise-294663
Some more information about the state of the world ‘at war’.
Perhaps this woman or this World is One network still does not know ‘how things work’ though the media bias fact check website rates them as ‘a most credible media source’.
rated LEAST BIASED
“WION (World is One News) – Media Bias/Fact Check” https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/wion-world-one-news/?amp

“They will only call it conclusive if it’s 100% certain.”
No, they will only say what is beneficial to their goals. To think that “intelligence communities” are where we should go for truth is hilarious. Who doesn’t know how things work, authority worshiper?
Posted by: Jesse | May 02, 2020 at 06:23 PM
You are equally as clueless. You think everything happens at surface level. Do you really believe that our intelligence gathering communities (which includes the military) is going to share everything they know with the public?
You can’t distinguish between Deep State and insane conspiracy theories that your flat-earther community likes to spread.

So we’ve got Jesse, an ex-RSSB devotee, and someonedunit, a fanatical Rhadasoami both on the same page.
Conspiracies bring minds together.

Personally, I believe COVID-19 is a bio weapon made by the Chinese government which is what our intelligence community believes. That conspiracy is 99 times more likely than the idea that Bill Gates is involved. He’s just an unwitting publicity pawn for the Chinese.

And, for the record, here’s what I believe about RSSB. You get initiated based on faith. Then you’re supposed to use the SOS “scientific” method (I had to put scientific in quotes because this blog deal focuses on physical science) to see your Master within. IMO, if you see him within then he’s real for you. If you don’t, then he’s not. It’s up to the individual to figure that out for themselves.

Secondly ‘that woman’ anchor for the WIONews network who ‘doesn’t know how things work’ is reading from a script that’s been put out by either the Indian government or at least by the networks overriding policy, same as Washington Post or NYT or Guardian or BBC or CNN would put out their take on ‘how things work’.
Again it’s the naivete of the audience to think that everything disseminating from any particular media platform is doing so without any ulterior motive driving it’s agenda, or whether it’s doing so for positive or negative effect.
Posted by: someonedunit | May 02, 2020 at 09:21 PM
You implied that she knew what she was talking about. To quote you: “she’s a great frontline reporter”

Well maybe I am naive but big daddy believes in ockams razor – the simplest explanation is normally the correct one, until more proof arises for an alternative explanation.
I think cv is the same as sars or mars or hiv: a naturally-evolved zoonotic virus, rather than intelligent design outa a Wuhan lab.
I think Gates intentions are probably honorable although he, like many other v successful ppl, may overrate his own abilities and quite possible meddle too far – but as long as his dosh is being contributed to the poor – I’m not gonna take a crap on his doorstep. There’s only a conspiracy here if the charities he runs comes with strings attached which are harmful, but I certainly wouldn’t blame him from wanting to know his money is being used for the right purposes.
I think The Donald is one hilarious s.o.b and maybe the funniest man alive, except for maybe Dubya. Great entertainment and value.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7yUtVhV6w
Natural comedian – maybe the greatest ever.
Can we not get him back for a 3rd term?
Thank you all.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7yUtVhV6w
Natural comedian – maybe the greatest ever.
Can we not get him back for a 3rd term?
Thank you all.
Posted by: Big Daddy WarBucks | May 03, 2020 at 01:39 AM
Gosh, I didn’t like GWB at all when was President and compared to what we have now he seems like such a nice guy. 😐

Sonia wrote on May 02, 2020 at 11.39 PM.
And, for the record, here’s what I believe about RSSB. You get initiated based on faith. Then you’re supposed to use the SOS “scientific” method….
…The present initiation process is quite different. During the regime of Charan Singh and specially before the decade of 70’s, the initiation was very simple and in many cases had nothing to do with faith. There are thousands of initiates, including many holding high ranks in RSSB who have never tried to meditate, nor they have faith like westerners.
In most of the places in India, people were convinced to get initiated and most youngsters from RSSB families were automatically enrolled for initiation.
In late 60’s, people above the age of 18 could present themselves for spot initiation during Charan’s visit to the place, where he would only ask whether you eat meat or drink. Even many below the age of 18 were also initiated.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7yUtVhV6w
Natural comedian – maybe the greatest ever.
Can we not get him back for a 3rd term?
Thank you all.
Posted by: Big Daddy WarBucks | May 03, 2020 at 01:39 AM
I sent that link to my mom to give her something to laugh about. She wasn’t a fan of his when he was President but she wrote back, “That man is just plain adorable.”
😆
I hope we don’t have someone in the future that makes us look back on Trump as being “adorable” by comparison.

“You think everything happens at surface level.”
I literally say and imply the exact opposite regularly.
Also it’s funny you say this, but then contradict yourself immediately in the next sentence 1000 other comments calling people conspiracy theorists, but then take it 100 steps further into insanity and literally provide your belief in a conspiracy theory, complete with the specific theory and conspiring entities.
Seek psychiatric help.

“You can’t distinguish between Deep State and insane conspiracy theories that your flat-earther community likes to spread.”
Yikes. What in the f*** are you on?

Jesse you’re a COMPLETE idiot and total prick.
YOU get psychiatric help.

@Juan
For some reason I thought it was a lot harder to get initiated under Charan. Other than the age set was lower.
Well, it’s not like they need more Satsangis. The growth is out of hand. Lol

Jesse,
Going forward I’m not interacting with you. It’s beneath me. You’re such a bitter person.

Brian,
Just curious, what’s your favorite genre of music? Do you ever write about music and its affects on the brain/mind? Would be really interested in reading what you think about the power of music.

I think when we feel bad after doing or saying something, even if we’re not “sorry” it’s our conscience telling us we didn’t do the right thing. I’m not sure where conscience or moral compass fits into the scientific model but I believe we all have experienced it with the exception of a tiny percent of people. Some people are purely tribal and they only feel bad when they’ve hurt someone in their family or “tribe”. Kind of like most animals or the mafia.
I always remember how to spell conscience from Sunday School. They said is science with con in front of it. Lol

Jesse is a bitter person,
but only at a surface level 😄

I was just deleting a ton of stuff from my phone to keep from going over my storage limit and discovered a bunch of notes about RS that made me feel sick to my stomach. Just reminded me how false it all is and how stupidly (insanely) naive I am at times to actually trust “Him”. Everything that’s happened in the past and I’m dumb enough to trust it wouldn’t happen again. I keep getting maliciously sucked back into that spider’s web when clearly he is only trying to harm. 😒

Whatever you say Sonia. Just stop copying my style.

There is only room for one belligerent, self contradicting, rude wingnut in these parts, and I’ll be damned to the fires of eternal hell if that sunvabich isn’t me.

Sonia: “Going forward I’m not interacting with you. It’s beneath me. You’re such a bitter person.”
Carl Jung called this his shadow work. He said we never see others. Instead we see only aspects of ourselves that fall over them. Shadows. Projections. Our associations.
We are all imperfect. Try to be kind to yourself.

“The Sound of Jupiter’s Moons”
https://youtu.be/M8zC212xN94

Brian said:
” Life is a boundless sea of uncertainty
me:
Of course it is
learning between greedy sadism and compassion
And a tenth of a region lower it’s even more insane
This is how longing for better is created.
777

Listen to the song of the wind as it blows…
https://youtu.be/F9nM9LUaLYE

Then find that wind, and all its harmonies within.

…The present initiation process is quite different. During the regime of Charan Singh and specially before the decade of 70’s, the initiation was very simple and in many cases had nothing to do with faith. There are thousands of initiates, including many holding high ranks in RSSB who have never tried to meditate, nor they have faith like westerners.
In most of the places in India, people were convinced to get initiated and most youngsters from RSSB families were automatically enrolled for initiation.
In late 60’s, people above the age of 18 could present themselves for spot initiation during Charan’s visit to the place, where he would only ask whether you eat meat or drink. Even many below the age of 18 were also initiated.
Posted by: Juan | May 03, 2020 at 02:50 PM
I think even Gurinder admitted to not being much of a meditator before he was assigned to be Master. And then he had to try and catch up to speed. Not sure where he landed. I’ve never seen him within so I can’t attest to his Mastership.
There is an accepted belief in Group Consciousness Theory that the more people who believe in an idea the more powerful it becomes. Today 20M + people are RSSB initiates. That’s just 6M shy of the Sikh religion, but RSSB isn’t counting family so who knows the real impact of RSSB worldwide. This pandemic has been a huge RS PR boom for Dera. No doubt there with be an exponential amount of applications for initiation when Dera is “open” again.
Belief is a POWERFUL thing. But Belief does not = Truth.

There is only room for one belligerent, self contradicting, rude wingnut in these parts, and I’ll be damned to the fires of eternal hell if that sunvabich isn’t me.
Posted by: Jesse | May 04, 2020 at 10:30 AM
I’ll give you that. 🙄
But I still take issue with your misogynistic view that women aren’t treated 2nd rate even in America. I’ll go one step further to piss you off even more by saying that you married an Indian woman believing she’d be more submissive than an American woman of your generation. You’re younger than me and I assume the liberal American woman of your generation wasn’t quite what you had in mind for a life partner.
Another thing, I’m surprised you haven’t denied the ‘Flat Earther accusations.
Now that you’re fired up, wtf were you thinking when you got initiated?
I know what I was thinking—that some turban donning Indian dude would help me see “Reality”. Perhaps that did happen and the “Reality” is men have one agenda—power and control over other men (and especially women).
I’m ready for your response. 😠

RSSB is a completely misogynistic organization. Radha Soami—Lord of the Soul. The soul being feminine and lorded over by the masculine.
We see that with the examples of Sheena and Marina and countless others.

My anti-feminism rant was one of the few undeniably true things I’ve ever written. But it didn’t get published, which is fine. My rant isn’t needed.
This article makes a better point than I could ever make with words for anyone who pays attention to the world they live in-
https://news.yahoo.com/stars-scientists-call-world-not-back-normal-104646426.html

Every day we are confronted with situations that are largely outside of our control. These can cause frustration and anxiety. Giving these to our loving Master releases us from that anxiety, and brings us closer to acting from peace; adapting rather than reacting with either aggression or retreat. Master has a functional role in our lives.
When we can successfully make progress doing this, trusting in inner Master to take these burdens, to bring us peace and insight, we experience moments of freedom from that anxiety and frustration, fear and attachment. In those moments we realize we are surrounded by peace. In the midst of the world moving, nature, God, Master gives us a space to exist in, and it is largely pleasant. We still have our role to play. If we are momentarily stopped in traffic we can enjoy that spot. And when traffic moves forward, we maintain our peace attending to the traffic and keeping pace. Even then, we can take that atmosphere of peace and freedom with us wherever we go. Disrupted by events, we can withdraw, reconnect with that peace, re-establish our connection with it we had momentarily forgotten, and proceed ahead with the next step of our lives.
This is the basic foundation and power of all spirituality. It is uncomplicated, but it is a little work, a little devotion to Master, who is our own development and next step.

And so the issue of Master is a personal one. Who and what is my Master? Who and what is your Master? That is the only question. It can only be a personal question. There can be no arguments of any effect. He is there within us and we can discover Him. Discovering Him we have our answer. Searching within we will find Him. Whomever He /She /It is.
We all have an inner Master, an ultimate Good waiting to be discovered through our own efforts, and discovering Him, realizing He was working through us all along, the very force of life. It is for us to find and attend to Him /Her/It ..that power within ourselves. The way out of our predicament, to whatever extent that is possible, is within. And going within to our Master, submitting all to Him, we find that freedom in ever-growing levels of happiness as we ourselves master the skill of returning to Him, giving all things to Him, submitting to the situation He has brought us to, enjoying the peace and harmony He is, and in that Peace we return here, acting for the highest good we can conceive under these circumstances.

We all have an inner Master, an ultimate Good waiting to be discovered through our own efforts, and discovering Him, realizing He was working through us all along, the very force of life. It is for us to find and attend to Him /Her/It ..that power within ourselves. The way out of our predicament, to whatever extent that is possible, is within. And going within to our Master, submitting all to Him, we find that freedom in ever-growing levels of happiness as we ourselves master the skill of returning to Him, giving all things to Him, submitting to the situation He has brought us to, enjoying the peace and harmony He is, and in that Peace we return here, acting for the highest good we can conceive under these circumstances.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | May 07, 2020 at 05:24 AM
Thanks, Spence. 🙂
My new mantra is peace. When I say new, I mean like in the last 24 hours. Had a pretty intense therapy session yesterday morning and realized I just have to let go. We hold pain the body—pain that has accumulated over our entire life and releasing that pain isn’t easy even when you are ready to let it go. Tears are the body’s way of releasing pain. When someone is crying they’re getting relief. Unfortunately our society historically hasn’t been as accepting of men crying. I think that has just added to all sorts of problems for everyone.
So, I’m repeating ‘Peace’ and it’s giving me the strength to just sit with the pain and somehow I feel certain effects of the pain leaving even though my heart feels broken. Peace gives us patience and strength. I think it’s the thing that has been missing from my life. Wise people learn acceptance. I’m not a wise person but maybe someday…
I really enjoyed reading your two comments. Very encouraging and kind.
🙏

Hi Spence,
I’m rereading Sheena’s book. I missed a lot of interesting things the first time I read it. Just came across an answer that Gurinder gave to Sheena in an interview. This is something I thought you’d appreciate. 😉
“The same can be said for some rare, unique souls who achieve God-realization without a guide. They are gifted souls; it’s an unusual, inborn endowment – a miracle that is unmatched! Anything and everything is possible in His creation.”
So, there you go! 🙂

This is my favorite part of Sheena’s book—it’s very sad but I appreciate her willingness to tell the truth.
This type of behavior is shocking indeed. She went through far worse treatment by him than most people. I think Gurinder’s wife was extremely jealous of Sheena which is probably the reason she became the victim of so many humiliations. It’s no excuse, but some men are fools—if their wive’s chase after money they will break every rule to please them.
Anyway, this is only “good” because it was the end of her harrowing ordeal. It’s an important. (And GSD’s wife was no angel.)
“One evening, fifty of us sat facing Guruji, children and adults. People were chatting with each other while I was in a whispered conversation with a young, excited girl who was to be married in a few months. She was beaming with happiness, asking for my views on how to handle her marriage. I advised, ‘The onus is on the girl to make the adjustments initially, with the passage of time the equation changes…’ At this point Guruji asked aloud, ‘What are both of you talking about?’ When he spoke, everyone turned in our direction. The girl replied with a smile, ‘Sheena Aunty says when a girl gets married; the onus is on her to make the adjustments first…’ Guruji turned to me, raising his voice. ‘After sleeping around with so many men, who are you to advise her on marriage?’ Pin-drop silence. Fifty pairs of eyes were on me. I stared at him in total disbelief. Was this the Guruji whom I had revered and looked up to for his wisdom, for salvation? Had he just uttered those obscene, crass words? Did he realize the agony and helplessness of a woman who is a victim of character assassination? Did the seat of power give him the liberty to demean women? At that precise moment the pedestal I had put him on smashed into a million pieces. At that precise moment, he had exposed himself bare – he was not infallible – he was just an ordinary human, very ordinary indeed!”

Sonia
Once upon a time a young girl saw a picture of a child in poverty. The picture was so compelling she cried for days. Her parents tried to console her. After all it was just a very old picture of some stranger.
She could not be consoled. For years little things would set her off. Anguish over the suffering of others. And then in time the pain this unveiled transformed into anger. And anger into action. She fixed things. But still the grief was there. She tried to locate a cause. But to little avail. The cause was long before she took birth.
She had no idea of the suffering of her family in a recent past life. She had no of idea of the trauma she was carrying. She was brought back because of it.
One day someone, a friend, suggested that she go on crying for a while. There was no one left to be angry with. But the grief, accumulated over several lifetimes, though seemingly out of place and context in this life, wasn’t.
She was naturally and very healthfully dealing with her own past. She had to honor that grief, and all the other wonderful things she began to discover within herself by letting things progress in their natural way. We can let go, but we cannot throw this away. It passes naturally, and we become stronger because of it.

“Unfortunately our society historically hasn’t been as accepting of men crying. I think that has just added to all sorts of problems for everyone.”
That was in no way unfortunate. It’s literally one of the only reasons why we’re alive.
Now that men in “the west” are encouraged to be irrational, weak, and emotionally expressive, we see the death of our entire civilization approaching, and far more violent and less emotional people quickly entering our territories and waiting for the best time to easily slaughter us all. Just imagine Detroit multiplied times a million.
World leaders like Erdogan talk about it openly and taunt countries like Germany and the entire EU. Hindutva advocates are very open about their desire to take over the west if not the entire world and exact revenge on white people. The best thing for these sorts of psychopaths is crying men whose veins pump soy juice.
There’ll be a reckoning one day for all the upside-down self destructive theories the politically left leaning of America and Europe have imposed on us all , but nobody will get any joy from it because those who are correct get nothing for being correct. We will simply have to suffer for your mistakes along with you.
Thanks a lot. Your hatred of men is really cool and edgy.

@Spence
The idea of past lives makes sense as far as a lot of inexplicable things go. Like why are some born into extreme poverty and suffering while others have more than they’ll ever need and are (seemingly) very blessed.
It’s interesting… the cycle of life. But it never ends, in theory. Say one comes back and causes extreme suffering for someone that hurt them in a past life, then the abuser in that case will have to come back for another life so the person they abused can abuse them. It never ends.
Maybe some people just turn into ghosts. 🤷‍♀️ 👻
This why forgiveness is good. I have a difficult time practicing it when it comes to certain things, and to be honest there are a few things I don’t feel like I can forgive. But I guess if I don’t forgive, I’ll just have to come back to another life. 🙄
I guess I’d rather forgive than deal with those individuals again.
Wow! Good chat. I’m glad you brought up that story. I don’t need “ghosts” hanging around. I guess I’ll “forgive” them.
I think that’s kind of how we release our demons, so to speak. And most people don’t want to look into the darkness but the fact is some people act quite demonic—the Hitlers and Genghis Khans of the world… and there have been some monstrous women as well.
Well, to end this on a more positive note, I’m going to burn some sage, light a candle, and say a prayer for the somewhat recently deceased. Letting the 👻 👹 go.

@Jesse
I don’t hate men. I just think they’re stupid when it comes to women. 😂
Joking aside, I’ve had equally negative and positive experiences with both.
Life is short. It’s really, really short and I just finished my Wiccan ghost releasing ceremony, so now I’m going to go watch the sun set.
Maybe Life is Fair.

Dear Sonia
Sheena could have responded to Gurinder in a completely different way, independently. “Yes I’ve known a few men. I’m best equipped to speak about these things. Far better than you, Baba Ji. Your own Master Maharaji admitted he was not equipped to give marital advice. But in either case I think the person with the most successful experience knows best about these things. You handle spirituality, if that is your experience. I’ll handle advice about getting along with men. Deal?
“We hardly need men to go around publicly shaming women, wives or otherwise anymore. Really, you are offering a terrible model to the men right now.”
“In a marriage both parties need to work very hard and submit to each other, wife to husband and husband to wife. Or wife to wife and husband to husband, whatever the case may be. That’s just for everybody. And, news flash, Baba Ji, the whole relationship rests on respect for each other, and forgiveness. No public shaming. Really, what is that supposed to accomplish? Are you pandering to the women – haters? Please stop. I forgive you, Baba Ji. Now please walk the talk. ”
Write your own script. So that next time some asshole tries to humiliate you in public you are ready to give as good as you receive.

Hi Sonia
You wrote
“It’s interesting… the cycle of life. But it never ends, in theory. Say one comes back and causes extreme suffering for someone that hurt them in a past life, then the abuser in that case will have to come back for another life so the person they abused can abuse them. It never ends.”
Karma doesn’t work that way, actually.
The person who was abused, and became used to it as part of their experience will return to being abused over and over again.
Unless they desire to harm tyrants and have rehearsed that retribution daily in their heart, and then they take that role if that is their principle impression.
But generally speaking, we return to the roles we have rehearsed day in and day out. The victim will become another victim, a hundred lifetimes. And the bully will just become a hundred varieties of bully, until it’s beaten out of them, or they wear it out.
The tyrant who loved tyranny will return to becoming a tyrant over and over again.
Until they all become so sick of these roles that they fight with all their might to break free.
It is the impressions that bring us back, not our notions of justice. The notion that life is fair of fool’s gold. Life is in perfect balance, but it isn’t fair in any way shape or form. This is just the lie of religion to control and enslave people.
I may desire to be someone else. But it is the impression of what I am that is generally much, much stronger.
The notion of balance has gotten confused in the mythology that has developed around Karma. The impressions upon you are the only thing bringing you back to those same impressions.
When you make a mold, that impression can only produce more copies of itself.
That’s how Karma actually functions.

@Ignoramous Spence stated and good luck with that :
“”” Karma doesn’t work that way, actually. — The person who was abused, and became used to it as part of their experience will return to being abused over and over again.”””
If. you have more ways & thoughts to drown people, and their shrinks in panic, . .
DON’T
BE WORRIED YOURSELF!
Any experience with LOVE. ? perhaps?
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@Sonia
“” by the Chinese government which is what our intelligence community believes. “”
Ever heard of a country doing fantastic , . . next destroying all there clients
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If. you have more ways & thoughts to drown people, and their shrinks in panic, . .
DON’T
BE WORRIED YOURSELF!
Any experience with LOVE. ? perhaps?
777
Posted by: Hear. 🎵.🎵.🎵.🎵.🎵 | May 08, 2020 at 06:21 AM
Was this directed at me or Spence? It almost made me laugh. Almost.
Yesterday was full moon in Scorpio. Somebody just shoot me.
“LOVE”?? Even if this was directed at Spence, I have to add a comment about it. Yesterday I was thinking about how they say a mother’s love for her child is almost the purest love there is. And I thought, it’s because she loves the child and is secure knowing the child loves her because it needs her.
But other relationships are much more difficult. Unconditional love is almost impossible. In relationships people are more vulnerable because they’re not “needed” the same way that a child needs it’s mother. This makes people insecure and afraid of rejection. And when that happens people lose trust. And when trust breaks down the relationship falls apart. Learning to love without fear is unconditional love. But it’s really difficult to do.

Hi Hear
You lay down the impressions yourself, your reactions. All the impressions you harbor are yours. That is your future. If your deep groves are pain, then pain is the road you yourself paved and you will have to drive down it.
And that’s good news. Because you have some small margin to move those actions. And when you find your own inner Master your margin widens because you can give many of those things to Him /Her /It. And if you keep practicing, more and more goes to Him, and less and less sticks to you.
Even your name calling “Ignoramus”. It’s tame, but you can still give that to Master also. Once that’s given away, then you get the love you ask about. It’s all in you. Love actually doesn’t require impressions unless you need to be reminded. Love is the natural state in the absence, even temporarily, of impressions, of their effect, on us.
The same principles that apply in every day life apply here with Karma.

God IS each of us –
HE just looks how long it takes to develop Compassion with a litttle amnesia.
–
Eve’s apple was a steak -That makes HIM angry!
Sonia
After a year you don’t see that love is
“The desire to do good to another consciousness”. =. HIM
It’s not the olympics!
Also it’s not about receive it
It’s about to give it
777
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@Sonia
“” by the Chinese government which is what our intelligence community believes. “”
Ever heard of a country doing fantastic , . . next destroying all there clients
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Posted by: 7 | May 08, 2020 at 07:49 AM
You are way oversimplifying it. It’s complex. Very.

Eve’s apple was a steak -That makes HIM angry!
Sonia
After a year you don’t see that love is
“The desire to do good to another consciousness”. =. HIM
It’s not the olympics!
Also it’s not about receive it
It’s about to give it
777
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Posted by: Halleluya | May 08, 2020 at 11:37 AM
OH MY GOD 😦 You finally used a good analogy. Dera = Story Brooke (Once). It’s getting better. But the APPLE!!!! Holy Moly!! You’re right.
They need to tear down the old Satsangar for sure.

Seek the beneficiarynotknowingempathy
Language from the benegasssarathfromdune
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Why we need fairytales (from the National Storytelling Network):
We can talk about the dark and process those experiences without frightening ourselves any more.
What do Humpty Dumpty, Little Miss Muffet and Snow White all have in common? If you can solve this riddle then you must be God.

Sonia
After a year you don’t see that love is
“The desire to do good to another consciousness”. =. HIM
It’s not the olympics!
Also it’s not about receive it
It’s about to give it
777
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Posted by: Halleluya | May 08, 2020 at 11:37 AM
OK, how do I put this… 🤔 🧐
Ever heard of Deceit and Darkness??? Life IS NOT simple because we are surrounded by lies. Nothing is real. Everything is an illusion. If LOVE was that easy WE’D ALL BE ENLIGHTENED.
I think you’re confusing easy with simple.
What’s easy isn’t always simple. And what’s simple isn’t easy.

All this time I’ve been focusing on “men” when I should have been focusing on the evil queen. Oops. My bad. If only I had listened to my astrologer… 😑🙄
Anyway, now I’m going to go chase a rabbit down a hole (meditate).
~Sonia

Math, it’s time you solved your own problems.

https://youtu.be/wfGAktuU93s

Pandora’s jar — time in a bottle.
Will poetry go viral?
Mad Song
BY WILLIAM BLAKE
The wild winds weep,
And the night is a-cold;
Come hither, Sleep,
And my griefs infold:
But lo! the morning peeps
Over the eastern steeps,
And the rustling birds of dawn
The earth do scorn.
Lo! to the vault
Of paved heaven,
With sorrow fraught
My notes are driven:
They strike the ear of night,
Make weep the eyes of day;
They make mad the roaring winds,
And with tempests play.
Like a fiend in a cloud
With howling woe,
After night I do croud,
And with night will go;
I turn my back to the east,
From whence comforts have increas’d;
For light doth seize my brain
With frantic pain.

Greek Mythology seems so plausible in light of our current events. Humpty Dumpty in the White House. Little Miss Muffet ate her last crumpet and the snow isn’t white anymore.
I should brush up on all the Greek Dramas just so I’m prepared for what might happen next.
-Sonia (I really like my new signature. I may abbreviate it to Slayer.) May. Might. Mine. 🤷‍♀️

Just as I was saying… this just popped up on my YouTube notification a minute ago. Jesus Christ, Mother of God, wtf is happening? I’ve watched these monsters on viral YouTube videos for years and now they’re here in Washington.
https://youtu.be/jgU68wLOPf4
What’s up Washington?? You’re turning into Pandora’s floodgate. Where is the gatekeeper??? Now I’m glad we don’t live in Seattle anymore.
Well, that’s enough good news for one day.

Murder hornets mainly attack honey bees and it’s not like we have a surplus of honeybees. And we all know how important honeybees are to vegetation. These guys are worse than a plague of locusts. They could start a famine.
I haven’t seen Jesus yet but we’ve got all the other horsemen accounted for.
The first horseman rides a white horse, which scholars sometimes interpret to symbolize Christ; the second horseman rides a red horse and symbolizes war and bloodshed; the third rides a black horse and symbolizes famine; and the fourth horseman rides a pale horse and represents pestilence and death.
Sorry for my rash of comments but I had a telehealth appointment with my Rheumatologist (telehealth is super awkward, BTW) and then got a whopping dose of Vitamin D. So now I’m a little more “enthusiastic” than usual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=476&v=vAfeYMONj9E&feature=emb_logo

FUSION – at Last. (Simple )
It wil also change the geo-financial / strategic situation
There shouldn’t be patents!
The lasers themselves rely upon cutting-edge “Chirped Pulse Amplification” technology, the development of which won its inventors the 2018 Nobel prize in Physics. Much smaller and simpler than any of the high-temperature fusion generators, HB11 says its generators would be compact, clean and safe enough to build in urban environments. There’s no nuclear waste involved, no superheated steam, and no chance of a meltdown.
https://newatlas.com/energy/hb11-hydrogen-boron-fusion-clean-energy/
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If only detachment were easy. . . . Posted by: Sonia | May 08, 2020 at 07:54 PM
Charan started each Satsang with
Just hear the Anahad Shabd by Simran (Love).
Then U replace your bicycle attachment for a Lamborghini latest Model
Is not really difficult, Sonia, . . isn”t it, . . when doing “Meditation anyway already, . . softly fusion_accumulate The tiny flashes of Love. . .!
make some Helium quality Shabd,
instead of sitting there like a moron
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