Open Thread 49 (free speech for comments)

RSSB news, or hearsay
I’ve been told that Gurinder’s successor has been giving initiation since late last year. When I asked if he was initiating for Gurinder or for his own initiates, I was told that the latter — that Jasdeep Singh Gill isn’t merely a patron but has been giving initiation as a Sant Santguru in his own right.
Of course, this could be wrong, but a long time satsangi told me this.

Is Gurinder dead yet? His leaving RSSB has been such a non event that it’s almost funny. At least let us know when he’s finally dead.

“His leaving RSSB has been such a non event that it’s almost funny.”
Dear Omega, Radhasoami as a whole in the 21st century is a non event.
The 60s are gone, and the 70s-90s hangover from unguided psychedelia has now passed.
People no longer need to sit in meditation for 5 hours a day for 5 years to catch a glimpse of the inner light and sound triggered by a trickle of accidental endogenous DMT release.
They just hit the DMT vape for 10 mins of Sach Khand, chew some fungi for 5 hours of inner journeying, or down some bitter soul vine tea to communicate with the Anami Purush.
The only people still following RS are Indians born into the religion, or old western folks too scared or set in their ways to change course, folks who gave up on the authentic “Search” decades ago. Their spiritual victories are on paper only.
These folks, like any good automaton, have no need for excitement and events. They just keep plodding on, looking neither left nor right, immensely proud of their tunnel vision .
So what kind of excitement are we expecting from the world of RS? Financial scandals, death threats, mysterious deaths, high court trials, and unusual Succession (the TV drama) like successions masked in family politics nobody understands?
Oh, yes. Spirituality. I suppose 🤷‍♂️

Here’s a genuine question that occurs to me; has a Satguru, whom let us not forget is God in human form, somehow and somewhat more so than any other human, ever retired before?
I’m sure there’s some sort of metaphysical paradox in there somewhere.
I’d try to think of another prior instance of this in history, or the theological implications myself….. but I just don’t have the mental bandwidth for this shit nowadays 😅
I’ll let the thriving, bustling online RS community engage in a lively debate on the subject….😶‍🌫️

Hi Manjit
Shams i Tabriz declared Rumi as his successor years before Shams completed his Seva. Sadly many of Rumi’s disciples decried that Shams had to be false. Shams wrote that such unkind remarks made no difference to him, nor the flattering ones,. But he was concerned because the false accusations were very hurtful to his beloved disciple, Rumi.
History tends to repeat itself. Human beings are largely the same.
What role have we been given? What role would we like to play?
And have we lived with compassion and kindness?

Dear Spence, nice to hear from you again.
I completely disagree that Shams declared Rumi his “successor”. Their entire dynamic and relationship was entirely different from the organised and structured model of RS satgurus and successorship. You, as you have often done in the past, have overlayed your RS beliefs over the history of past mystics. It should also be noted that far from teaching “Sant Mat”, Rumi actually taught anti Sant Mat doctrines, but that’s a discussion for another day.
In regards your comments about compassion and kindness, you talk a lovely talk. Absolutely delightful!
But please excuse me if I recall your turning a blind eye to the indiscriminate slaughter of tens of thousands of Palestinian children, with pretty much your only comment at the time is that it was the fault of Palestinian parents teaching their children hate.
The walk is a lot harder than the talk, isn’t it?
I say enough of the talk.
Peace.

Hi Manjit
Clearly you have not read much of what Shams wrote, nor what I’ve written here, and now it seems you are making false statements about my views. Perhaps that reflects your own anti-semitism. That can cloud anyone’s judgment.
Your are most welcome to quote and provide reference to the views about Palestine you have attributed to me.
They are absolutely false claims.
In contrast I’ve written repeatedly, and I will repeat again to help jog your memory.
In 1963, when I was six years old, my parents left Judaism because they were anti-zionists. Our Rabbi taught us that Zion was a place in spirit, not on this earth, and that not one square inch of earth was worth a single tear let alone a single drop of blood.
That you would get this so terribly, tragically wrong is something for your own personal reflection.
But in future, please leave my name out of it.

You have shared your parents story before, Spence. Says very little about you.
And calling me an anti Semite is just icing on the cake! If being opposed to the slaughter of tens of thousands of children is anti semetic, then I’m proud to be anti semetic!
Your bias and lack of compassion for Palestinians, due to your ego-centricity or i-dentity, is plain to see.
All the best!

And your claim about Shams and Rumi is just plain silly and desperate, imo.
I really don’t have the inclination to discuss history and mysticism with closed minded religious dogmatists, but here’s what Google AI thinks. It knows more than you imo! And that’s not flattering, not flattering at all when it comes to spirituality….
AI 1 – 0 Spence
Q: did shams tabrizi declare rumi his successor
“No, Shams Tabrizi did not formally declare Rumi his successor. While Shams was Rumi’s spiritual instructor and a significant influence on Rumi’s life, there’s no historical record of a formal declaration of succession. Their relationship was one of teacher and student, and Rumi became a prominent figure in Sufism and Islamic mysticism in his own right.
While Shams was undoubtedly a significant figure in Rumi’s life, there’s no documented instance of him formally declaring Rumi his successor or passing on any specific role or authority to him. ”

Now as to the current situation, you have people who have lived for decades and longer on these lands. They should respect each other as brothers and sisters. I believe many of them on all sides want to do this. But the history suggests they are not capable of it. Hence the necessity for diplomacy. That is going to be a multi-stage process of building respect and trust in stages: A new culture for all that costs the price of leaving behind some of the old ways, beliefs and prejudices. And it will require professionals who have far more skill at doing this than you or I.
My comments in the past have included the necessity of both a crease fire and third party intervention.
As for walking the talk, that is a matter of accepting the fundamentals of peace:
1. Peace among different family members or nations doesn’t arise out of retribution. It arises out of a belief in and commitment to peace, not violence of any kind, whether by rebellion or military. Who believes this? Only they are qualified to help.
2. Trust that is built by a sincere desire to work together. That includes respect for each other’s basic human rights. Who believes in this? Only they are qualified to help.
For those who cannot bring themselves to believe in 1 and 2, what kind of progress can be made? None.
And if anyone cannot offer a real solution based on a respect for rights and a desire to work together, what is the value of their criticism? Zero.
More criticism at this point is just blame, and that works against items 1 and 2 above.
So to walk the talk about real peace, we have to ask ourselves whether we are indulging in criticism, which is only hurting the situation, or acting for a real and lasting peace based on a respect of the human rights of all participants.and if we can’t wrap our heads around how to do it, I don’t think speaking about it helps. It just adds weight to the problem that is already heavily weighted with difficulties.

And, here is a link to just one of the threads where Spence’s compassion led to him spread hasbara lies and justifications whilst thousands of children were being slaughtered.
I cannot find the exact comment where you infer Palestinian parents are the reason their children get slaughtered by colonialist, but anyone with even an inkling of the truth and reality of the situation will see right through your “compassion”.
Tribalism is no basis for compassion.
https://churchofthechurchless.com/2023/10/religion-plays-a-large-role-in-the-horrible-hamas-israel-war

“Shams Tabrizi was a pivotal figure in the life of the renowned Persian mystic poet Rumi, influencing his spiritual development and inspiring his poetry. Shams’s relationship with Rumi was characterized by intense devotion, guidance, and ultimately, a tragic end. While Rumi’s disciples initially viewed Shams negatively, their views shifted over time as they witnessed Rumi’s transformation and the profound impact Shams had on him. ”

@ Spence
You are right in saying that speaking does not help, certainly not about human rights as these are not at stake.
As long as there are people that believe that the creator promised a land of honey to a chosen people .. what is written in the old testament will go on.
The old testament is just an concatenation of submission of all those cities and nations that are seen as an obstacle in the fulfillment of that promise …everything is allowed in the name of god and no mercy or human rights are demanded.
It is a self-fulfilling-prophecy Spence and as long as there are people that believe it to be true and have the power to act upon it, there is nothing in the world that can stop it.
THAT …was the reason why I wrote in the past that the best solution was to have the Palestinian population emigrate outside Israel and be given all help to build for them selve a decent future ..
Your words are working everywhere else where people have NOT laid their future in the hands of their God, where normal inter human laws are used to settle disputes.
The conflict in Ukraine for example can be solved by diplomacy but not the conflict in the middle east

Hi Manjit
From the very link you provided, here is what I wrote back then..
“I’m not a Zionist. I think we should offer to anyone from Palistine or Jerusalem the opportunity to come live here in America. There is no need to live in a place that requires lethal force, including collateral deaths among innocents, for one’s own survival.
“But so long as there are two peoples there, both backed by very wealthy governments, America, Canada, Russia and Egypt, it’s going to be very difficult to build Peace.
“And that will require both responsibility and forgiveness.
” We can offer the truth, not to blame, but to understand the necessary conditions for progress.”
You can read for yourself that your depiction of my position is false and quite negative.
What would cause you to fabricate something that isn’t there?
Reflection is going to be your answer, Manjit, not doubling down on a falsehood.

Hi Um
As per above I don’t think criticism is the answer in inclusivity and equality.
So long as any person harbors blame in their heart, how can they then understand that we are indeed all brothers and systers, and every variation, all created equal, if not in body most certainly in soul?
The critical mind, in service to our actual place as tiny fragments of the same reality, can help.
But detached from that reality, the critical mind just creates isolation and conflict.

Hey Spence, do you know what your calling me an anti Semite, saying I’m doubling down on falsehood and that shamas appointment Rumi as his successor in the RS mode all have in common?
Far fetched, desperate, ridiculous and plainly ego based defences.
One does not have to be intimately familiar with your flowery, wise sounding but ultimately pretentious and empty talk and platitudes to be able to read your comments on Israel’s genocide directly and know they are tribal, ego centric rationalisations and justifications for inhumane barbarity.
Let me remind you, whilst thousands of children were being slaughtered by colonialists, at the very same SECOND, you were spouting hasbara lies instead of ANYTHING REMOTELY APPROACHING GENUINE sadness, horror or grief for those Palestinian children. Just more empty platitudes, it’s the Palestinian parents fault, it’s not their land, Israeli’s are just doing self defense but we must still pretend to be sorry for those children, blah blah urrghh 🤢
So whilst I post the entire thread, even if it’s not the specific one I was thinking of, I’ll let reality speak for itself, and pay no mind to how individuals and their biases interpret it, or cherry pick empty platitudes out of context to make false appearances.
I’ll let you crack on with your empty platitudes and preaching then.
All the best!
Manjit

@ Spence
As far as the psychological personal welfare is concerned you are right.
I do also understand the venting of the emotions of all participating in this conflict and all the rest that has to witness day in day out the horror s of that conflict
But what is unfolding has its own dynamics that are not controlled by anybody. Beliefs, ideologies, ism’s etc are operating like laws of nature irrespective of what you and I feel think or write.
As long as that identification with the will of god is not left behind there is no hope … you see millions of people of good faith, kind of heart etc are supporting that believe ..not only those of the Jewish community but also the Christians all over the world.
None of them have the slightest idea that they are contributing with their believes and faith in what ius developing iin the middle east.
Some might stand up but the majority of believers will not stand up as they did in order to stop the war in Vietnam.
They, these decent Christians chose for Trump as president.as he was considered to be the protector of some of the issues of their faith about abortion etc…knowing that they would have to pay otherwise a price for it.
It is all a matter of psychology .. as long as people identify themselves with things they are not as human beings one can expect the worst to happen.
You see spence .. in theory the European Jews from Europe, now living in Israel could be given a place to live in your country. They could be invited to come a place of milk and honey could be created in the immense territory of the USA. They could accept that invitation ..but do you think that there is anybody that would do so??
I don’t think so
And the same is with the Palestinians
I am not looking at those that committing these crimes against humanity but to the the believers that make it possible and think of themselves as having washed their hands in innocence.

“And calling me an anti Semite is just icing on the cake! If being opposed to the slaughter of tens of thousands of children is anti semetic, then I’m proud to be anti semetic!”
One of the proudest positions I have ever taken in my life. Very proud!
One really has to ask, if being opposed to genocide, indiscriminate slaughter of innocent people, mainly children, in the tens of thousands, and critical of the colonial Zionist project and the Israeli government is considered “anti semetic”, then which decent human being wouldn’t and shouldn’t be proud to be “anti semetic”?
What tribal Zionists (however much a few may pretend not to be, in decent company) like Spence are doing when they label those decent, principled, compassionate and empathetic people who are absolutely horrified by Israel’s genocide, and the various hasbara lies used to justify it, as “anti semetic”, is totally take away the power from the word. It literally makes it a badge of honour rather than mark of shame.
These Zionists who like to conflate genuine compassion for humanity, criticism of genocide and Israel, with “anti semitism” (and let’s not forget there are millions of very decent, genuinely compassionate Jewish folks just as much if not more horrified by this genocide than I am! Some of them aren’t even RS initiates!) are the REAL anti semites, for they want to drag all Jewish people, whether they want to or not, into their barbaric, colonialist, hate fuelled, racial supremacist world view.
Truly disgusting imo.

Hi Um
You wrote
“It is all a matter of psychology .. as long as people identify themselves with things….”
Yes, this creates duality and hence conflict is inevitable. Sadly this isn’t limited to religion. Political and ethnic differences, class and wealth differences all contribute to conflict. And it isn’t always conscious. The sense that” They” are “other” arises all on its own. It is as much a built in element of psychology as anything human beings have created. Even animals have packs and fights to defend the pack or attack others for food or control. Indeed this territoriality of me and mine drives all sorts of problems. Yet to function we need to accept and live within our own personal boundaries. However that should not apply to how we look at anyone else. They are all us.
A deeper connection to the reality that made and sustains all of us certainly helps transcend parochial human thinking.

Manjit, it seems your radar flashes red at any opportunity to create conflict even when there is an equal opportunity to start with so much common ground.
Do you not understand that I do not condone nor have ever condoned the taking of a single life on any and all sides? I acknowldge it has happened, and there were reasons. But no legitimate justification. Bloodshed has solved nothing. Zero progress. In fact the opposite, only suffering.
And the more we find to hate, the lower we sink into it, the less helpful we become.
What is the price of not hating? Forgiveness, acceptance, kindness. All the rewards of legitimate spiritual practice. Indeed these are the side effects.
History means nothing. We must write a better story that takes us somewhere new and better, not the old.
Bullah Shah wrote that love is always fresh and new. That’s where you and I belong.

@ Spence
I just deleted an long answer …
But let me just share a small part of it for you, if you feel like, to think about.
The american politicians in their attempt to end the war and to stop the endless killing of their soldiers in the pacific decide to use their new weapon, an nuclear bomb.
What I want to put before you, is ONLY the choices that were made in using these weapons.
the choice was made to drop 2 bombs on 2 cities
instead of
1 bomb and in a save enough distance from a city.
It is that CHOICE that matters a choice that had nothing to do with the atrocities of the Japanese army … they were just an excuse, an justification to do something that needed not to be done, and should never have been done.

Hi Um
If you told me that in every family and even within you and I, are selfish decisions that cause harm to others I would agree. This is our condition, and our opportunity is to make some progress towards a higher ethic.
When this is magnified by power, technology, agreement and support by others, then suffering for others is inevitable.
But if you suggest that somehow you or I can view such things with an intellect that is ethically superior to all those in history, I would not agree. We are made of the same clay, and the only hope for society is the degree to which we conquer our own demons and distractions.
“Who sums his fellows up at sight
Brings wonder to their eyes
But he who sums himself aright
Alone is truly wise.
” Who would grind others into dust
Great strength and power will need.
But he who conquers his own lust
Performs the greater deed. ”
The Tao of Leo Tzu
Who

@ sPENCE
https://biblehub.com/psalms/18-42.htm
These are the things believed in and acted upon,
It was done thousands of years ago and it continues to this very day.

After listening this argument, l asked Chat GPT this
Did Swami ji appointment Jaimal singh his Successor?
Good question — let’s go into it carefully:
No, technically Swami Ji Maharaj (Shiv Dayal Singh, the founder of Radhasoami faith in Agra) did not formally appoint Jaimal Singh as his successor.
Here’s what actually happened:
Swami Ji Maharaj (1818–1878) mostly stayed in Agra, preaching Surat Shabd Yoga (inner sound meditation).
His formal inner-circle successor at Agra was Salig Ram (Hazur Maharaj) — a senior postmaster who became a major figure after Swami Ji passed.
Jaimal Singh was one of Swami Ji’s disciples, but he came from a Sikh background and spent only a short time personally with Swami Ji in Agra (about 2 years before Swami Ji’s death).
After Swami Ji Maharaj passed:
Jaimal Singh did not stay in Agra.
Instead, he went to Punjab and started his own spiritual center near Beas (this later became Radha Soami Satsang Beas or RSSB).
Jaimal Singh always referred to Swami Ji as his Master, but he did not claim to be his official successor at Agra.
Instead, he established a separate lineage based on Swami Ji’s teachings.
—
Summary:
Swami Ji’s main successor in Agra: Salig Ram.
Jaimal Singh was a devoted disciple, but not officially appointed successor.
Jaimal Singh started his own line in Punjab (which RSSB continues today).

Interesting interview of yoga teacher who studied Sant Mat and later was mentored by I. Puri. https://escaping-samsara.com/anthony-prem-carlisi-on-astral-travel-grief-and-gurus/

Hi Um:
You gave a link to several different quotes from the Bible.
Let me address one of them:
Jeremiah 51:33
For this is what the LORD of Hosts, the God of Israel, says: “The Daughter of Babylon is like a threshing floor at the time it is trampled. In just a little while her harvest time will come.”
This is also reflected in what Jesus said a few hundred years later:
“11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with[c] the Holy Spirit and fire.
12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
Matthew 3:11-12
The common interpretation is that Christ will separate holy people, worthy people, sinners who have repented, from the sinners who have not repented and burn the unrepentant up while taking the holy ones home.
But this is not actually what John or Jeremiah have said here. They are talking about threshing wheat.
Threshing wheat is not a process of selecting good stalks from bad. Threshing is the process of separating the husk from the grain of every stalk.
Along the way, there is the cleaning process. And what is used but the audible Holy Spirit? The Shabd? The Logos?
Threshing applies to everyone: It is the removal of the husks, the layers, including layers of mind that we commonly think of as spirit: layers we mistakenly identify as our true selves, until we are truly free, as beings of light. Swans of light and even more dazzling than that.
Threshing wheat is the breaking of every stalk, and the removal and preservation of every grain, as part of the harvest of all stalks of wheat, and the baking of bread, good food from that wheat. That applies to all of us. It isn’t actually an “Us vs Them” thing at all. Threshing is the breaking apart of every stalk of wheat and the gathering of every grain within that stalk. You could say it is separating what is good in us from the rest of us…It’s an individual thing. And blessed are those who go through it.

@ Spence
There are flowers and there are many interested people, all attributing meaning and value to the same flowers .. to name a few, a child fathering them for his mother, a botanist, an artist etc
The same is with the bible and other books, the words spoken and written by others be they saints or otherwise.
Not having any personal experience with the that what is labeled as transcendent, I can only access the transcendent etc in terms of” “what people do with it” what value an meaning they attribute to something and why .
What I wrote is about the old testament, an narrative of an nomad tribe in need for a piece of land for themselves. That book tells us about an elder of that tribe that had an inner experience relate to that need and offering a “divine” solution.. ..not that there was any divinity offering a solution, but that is how it was experienced and later used and is still used until today.
Of course you are free to look upon the content of the old testament in an abstract, spiritual way. Nothing wrong with that, there are many in the world that do attribute meaning and value to their scriptures in that way but there are others that do not share that idea of holy books pointing the way to their divine origin and do read their books as an divine help to live their lives on earth, they are not at all interested in your point of view.
For the common believer, whatever is the meaning of their life, what happens after death etc is all related to their live here on earth … what the late MCS pointed at as turning prison cells from one category in an other. For them their is no spirituality.
People in Gaza are not interested on spirituality but in survival and for that reason the pray to God to save them, they do not care what you and I write here religion is an psychological tool to cope with life.
And those that conflict that suffering upon them, do it for the same reason, .. survival and they too use their spiritual books as a psychological tool to justify what they are doing … putting it in the hands of god, that gave them ..ordered them .. to possess that land
It is an ideology Spence and all involved are willing to kill and be killed for that ideology to be come reality.
Given what is written in the old testament, the powers at hand there is little hope for the Palestinians in Israel.
It is inevitable Spence .. ideology is an self fulfilling prophecy,a prophecy that is in the hearts of not only the decedents of Abraham but the millions upon millions of Christians, decent people that have no idea that they in their own way contribute to what is developing in the middle east.
The late MCS taught me to look upon everything spiritual in psychological terms .. who, what, why does handle spirituality ..and I am very grateful

Hi Um:
What the authors of those ancient texts really meant is certainly and entirely up to personal interpretation. The Bible isn’t complete alone. It is a part, like any book. Upon reading, we complete the book with our own understanding.
That is an individual matter. Some see God in every grain of sand. That is an individual matter.
And some see that we are indeed bags of aging chemicals, unreliable, changing from moment to moment, passing through so many different levels of consciousness, or psychology. Every culture, every family, every society having their own interpretation and version of right and wrong.
No doubt about that.
But I would rather discuss light, than darkness. A universal light available to all. A light that has nothing to do with this place. That interests me. Something pure and unassailable. A positive principle. MCS taught that, too. And it is the birthright of everyone. It isn’t limited to people of one religion, one place, one time, one orientation; kept away and secret from all others. It’s in everyone, and we are all living because of it. The journey is to see it directly, to witness it, and to enjoy it.
Anyone interested automatically moves closer to it.
That’s my interest. And for some reason I find ancient and some more recent spiritual texts speak to that, and are in their way inspiring allegories of the difficulties and the rewards of progress towards that light.
Others have done other things with those texts, certainly. They are completed by our own understanding. But I choose a more universal, inclusive and helpful interpretation.
I do not weight what others are doing, especially if it is destructive, too much. Certainly I’m not so interested, unless it comes to my doorstep and I have a chance to help make things right. Then the obligation is on me to act.
But if I don’t want to act, don’t want to take that responsibility, certainly, how does judging others negatively help?

@ Spence
The world is divided in those that have or have had inner experiences. I have come to understand that these experiences are so overwhelming that what is experience is not valued as something personal, a mental mirage but as the very truth of reality.
I never had any problem with accepting that and in their shoes, I probably would act and react as they do. For others these experiences are nothing bur an narrative, a hearsay, that they are free to believe, believe in their own way and use it.
It has been a psychological eureka moment when I found out that all these experiences that form the foundation of every religion and school of spirituality are based upon such an experience and that those experiences were always unique ..unique for that person. I have written about it several times. The understanding ..to use that example again .. that the lord spoke to abraham bur that same god forgot to inform me ..ME … being any other human being, especially the elderly of the tribes of those days nor the leaders of nations later on. That same lord, that had the power to appear to abraham could have appeared to the elderly of the other tribes living in that land of honey and tell them, that he had given that land to others. That has been a freeing understanding.
I agree with what I came to understand from Baba Garibdas and Great master that humanity can be divided in 8 categories, 7 of which have all selfish motives, running from plain material to even the spiritual .. they are not at all interested in the divine. There are many tales that are used to elaborate that issue, one of the most beautifull is that of the king that had a tower build in several levels.
So spence You have your experiences and I have none ..your experience is meaningless for me in the sense that I cannot taste your coffee. You belong to the “happy” few that have these experiences …that is allright.
My experoiences are all related to this world and my fellow human beings ..what they do, why etc …what matters is the simple here and now, ..living in this world, experiencing it with what is called me and um and doing his best to declutter his mind from the traces that the hearsay has left in him.
For me yo and I are human beings going through a human experience

Hi Um:
You wrote:
“For me yo and I are human beings going through a human experience.”
Understood.
I would not distinguish spiritual from physical experiences. The one experiencing is the same. We see through layers that is all. We add our conditioning to what we are seeing. We sleep, we wake, and when we are awake, we are often at different levels of wakefulness, awareness and perception. And when we sleep, also, there are different levels of unconsciousness. Education can also help raise consciousness to the extent that we become aware of something we didn’t understand before. Education is also a form of enlightenment, and connected with it, all of Science.
You mentioned having your own epiphany in how you interpreted other spiritual literature. The God that inspired Abraham didn’t inspire his followers in the same way, you wrote. But I would say it may be a little more complicated than that. When the priest entered the holy of holies, they were after some new experience of the divine. What was in the books weren’t enough. The past wasn’t enough. They wanted to experience intimacy with God for themselves, and possibly to bring that benefit back to others.
They were praying for something, and going into that private tent, getting something back, some new insight, direction, something they could bring out to help ease the burden of others.
The whole story of the Jews emancipation from Pharoah, their throwing off that old culture and lifestyle, entering the wilderness, and step by step approaching the land they were meant for, ultimately, returning to God’s land, are all mystical allegories of emancipation from this physical, limited place to something unlimited, pure, kind. The place in Spirit where “the lion will lay down with the lamb” and all creatures will be vegetarian. It’s an expression of an ideal, and we see that as something spiritual. The land of Israel is within. The story is allegorical. And it matters not to explain anything about real estate in Jerusalem.
St. Paul teaches this directly, while also alluding to reincarnation:
13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
Hebrews 11:13-16
You see, Um, even 2,000 years ago, the idea of Judaism was a place in heaven. A return to our true home in heaven. This is a much older interpretation, with thousands of years of belief.
The promise of Israel is within. This is what the Diaspora took with them. This is what made Judaism sustainable, that was a spiritual belief that was 100% portable. You carried Israel with you wherever you went.
Long before the recent notion of creating a new nation here (the Zionism movement) Judaism was entirely portable to wherever Jews found themselves. It goes with you where you go because it’s internal. That’s what has kept Judaism alive. Not Zionism. Zionism is a recent political movement. But it isn’t what kept the Judaic people devoted to their beliefs wherever they found themselves in the world. And no one should take Zionism alone as Judaism. The two are 100% different things.
There was no hope, and no real interest in starting a new nation until relatively recently, maybe 150 years ago, and mostly during and since WWII, when the need for refuge and sanctuary became life or death issues for Jews.
The hope of the return to Israel was a prayer to God for a place God prepared in spirit, not something created by human beings.
But over time that became corrupted.
What the priest brought out of that tent, out of their prayer and meditation, an answer, direction, etc., this came from within them. But that includes whatever they could perceive.
Everyone wants to raise their consciousness in one way or another, so they can see better, and be closer to reality, more intimate with it. People take different paths. That has nothing to do with real estate.
Where we both agree is that not everyone sees the same things in spiritual literature. But if one looks back it is often quite different than the modern political version.
So one can’t lay on that interpretation and say “this is the religion of Judaism”. It’s more complicated than that. It includes the spiritual tradition, that actually persists, if in minority, today.
Two hundred years ago no Jew believed in a political state. They did believe God would take them back to their true home, in Spirit.
But people will believe what they wish, that applies to you and I both. And that’s OK. But not to say “this is what YOU believe…this is what THEY REALLY believe.” No. We can only say, with any credibility, “This is what I take from that. This is what I personally believe.”
A little research though, can help deepen our understanding.

Hi Um:
Just a little more about this notion (not popular today, (except in today’s versions of Judaic mysticism) but prevalent a few hundred years ago) that God was returning Jews to a place in heaven…
In chapter 29 the Book of Jeremiah says: 14. “And I will be found by you, says the Lord, and I will return your captivity and gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have driven you, says the Lord, and I will return you to the place whence I exiled you.”
“I will be found by you..” that’s an internal journey of the individual back to the place they were already exiled from…that is a place in heaven we were “exiled from”…so that’s the place we are returning to….at least according to the Bible (not modern interpretation).

@ Spence
I used the story of Abraham as an example, an example of humans having an inner experience and how that experience was handled.
The whole story is meaningless outside Judaism and Christianity and Islam … That power of which the Bible speaks that addresses Abraham, did not speak to the elders, the shamans, etc of , say, the Hopi, the aboriginals etc … You shamans, hear upon me the god of israel, I chose them as my people being the light on earth and gave them a piece of this earth
You see THAT is the point not what was said to whom, but the lack of information to the rest of the world.
If nobody had spoken to me about God etc , I, I would never have had any interests at all, not then not now. Questions about, who am I, why do i live etc etc. never did arise in my mind. There is no need to know, believe anything in order to drink coffee
I, by the world known as um, has to deal with the experience of his body, his mind, his existence and all that belongs to it, that is all, there is no longing for something beyond that .. how could it be?!
Experience is the only thing that matters and cannot be shared
again:
The pull must come from within
and
if it is not there it is just not there
and
there is nothing you can do about it
In the same way an experience BEFALLS a person or not and as far as I came to understand ONLY after an experience trauma.
Abraham was after a land and mystics the like of say ..Father Lazarus el Antony [ his biographic video’s are on youtube, that explains what I mean]. What happened to him, did happen to many others …personal mental collapse => inner experience => sharing the experience with the world [what is good for me is good for you]
Please do not misunderstand me .. blessed are those that believe.
But believe, faith are like an inner experience .. a GIFT …not that there is a giver …but they can not be created at will …an I do accept that for what it is, like the trees and the crows.
You will never find me arguing with another human being believing this or that or sharing his experience with me .. personally I have no desire to deepen my understanding of any religion, philosophy etc anymore and do my best , as I wrote to declutter my mind from what I came to learn

@ Spence
What god said to this or that Jewish prophet doesn’t mater for others than them and if there is a divine power you speak of, he, she or it FAILED to inform the rest of the world.

Radhasoami path is true path.No doubt about it.My personal experiences are testimony to that.I have facebook page where I run the Kumar Sant Mat Mission.
https://www.facebook.com/share/1HNjvumHGk/
I had offered initiation challenge at yahoo group Radhasoami studies where I offered temporary initiation to anyone who is interested.i repeat it here again.
I will initiate anyone and all he/she is to accept it and follow my instructions.
Meditate for a week. But catch is whoever accept it has to write down whatever experiences he/she has here in this forum.After a week initiation will expire on its own.
He may then, if intrested , can request for full initiation.
So far nobody has accepted this challenge.if anyone interested here at this form or bold enough to accept this challenge, may write to me at sandeepk1980@gmail.com.
I hope I find someone bold enough to accept this challenge.
Remember ego is where Matrix find it’s glitch.
Thanks

Gasoline just broke $1.98 a Gallon, lowest in years, groceries (and eggs!) down, energy down, mortgage rates down, employment strong, and much more good news, as Billions of Dollars pour in from Tariffs. Just like I said, and we’re only in a TRANSITION STAGE, just getting started!!! Consumers have been waiting for years to see pricing come down. NO INFLATION, THE FED SHOULD LOWER ITS RATE!!! DJT
— From Donald Trump Truth Social 05/02/25 08:45 AM
Also, the stock market has been roaring back.
I know that for some of you, every day for the last 10 years has been Armageddon. Consider that every one of your predictions about Trump has failed. Every single one. Keep that in mind – – question your need to constantly freak out over this president.

No, gas prices have not fallen to $1.98 per gallon anywhere in the United States as of May 2025. According to multiple sources, including AAA and GasBuddy, no state had an average gas price close to $1.98 in April 2025, with the lowest state averages in Mississippi and Tennessee at around $2.70 per gallon. GasBuddy, which tracks prices at over 150,000 stations, found no station selling gas for $1.98, with the lowest reported price being $2.19 at a Texas station in April 2025. National averages have hovered around $3.14-$3.25 per gallon in early 2025, and claims of $1.98 gas have been consistently debunked as false.
Trump’s policies have not demonstrably brought down the price of eggs as of May 2025. Retail egg prices remain at record highs, driven by avian flu-related supply shortages and inflationary pressures, including Trump’s tariffs. Wholesale price declines are notable but reflect external factors like reduced demand and fewer bird flu cases rather than specific policy successes. The administration’s avian flu plan and import strategies show intent to address the issue, but their impact is limited by long timelines, contradictory tariff policies, and public health missteps. Claims of dramatic price reductions are unsupported by data and appear exaggerated for political effect.

@Grok 3
Hey, no argument. When you’re wrong you’re wrong. Trump’s specific claims about eggs and gas prices don’t hold up.
Nevertheless, the relentless full-scale freak-out of Dem’s predicting Armageddon as a result of Trump’s presidency isn’t holding up either.

In Chapter 9 of “the psychology of Totalitarianism” by Mattias Desmet, professor in clinical Psychology at the Belgian University, of Gand “The dead versus the living Universe”, he refers to a theory of Aristotle an the causes for what appears and the use he makes of the making of an statue as an example
– material [Without the marmor no statue}
– efiiciency [ Without the craft of the artist no sculpture]
– formal { without an mental idea no statue]
– final [Without somebody wanting the statue, no statue]
Desmet goes on to use it to describe the “mechanical” and the”living”universe.
It reminded me of my used when some nerts of the day would speak about our first kisses of girlfriends as a dirty pressure of lips on one another, transferring all sorts of bacteria, the possible cause of illness.
The book might bring some light in the darkness of the mechanical universe etc

hahaha …used = youth
The mechanical universe only addresses the first two causes for the universe, its birth, its development and the creation and action of everything else. …while .. the last two makes the first not only possible but also attributes meaning and value. ..something without which humans cannot even survive.

Hi Um
You wrote
“What god said to this or that Jewish prophet doesn’t mater for others than them and if there is a divine power you speak of, he, she or it FAILED to inform the rest of the world.”
It does matter, Um, that’s why people rever such spiritual writings. Otherwise no one would continue to follow any teachings. They work for the person who chooses to believe them. Perhaps they resonate with their own inner voice.
In this world anything can be twisted to manipulate innocent people. The best defense against this is not to shout at what you see as darkness, but to light a candle within oneself. That candle may only shed light on one’s own personal situation, and provide inspiration, strength and direction for one’s own personal use, and not for anyone else’s use. But that’s quite a miracle still. In fact it is a greater miracle to understand it is really only for one’s own use, and perhaps as an inspiration to others to find that within themselves.

@ Spence
Of course it does matter what people believe, .. to them and to the world .. rivers of blood were created until this very day..the daily news on TV tells us what people believe

@ Spence
I believe what is attributed to Abraham and mystics and I also believe what you wrote here about your own experience. ..believe … meaning, that you and others tell their truth about what they experienced and are not lying about it.
But, the moment you or anybody else adds to it that there is an power beyond them is the source of what they say ..these days i will,..IF in a good mood and having had enough coffee .. answer .. that is alright but that power failed to inform me about you and what to make of what you say.
That is all and this very simple observation has set me free.

Hi Um
I think the secret to spiritual experience is something you and I both agree upon. It is about another place and therefore what we believe or see can only apply to us. But to allow individuals to live as they like, without judgment, is a foundation for each person to make progress in their own way.
The Krishna that told Arjuna to proceed with murder on the battlefield should not be a justification for anyone else.

@ Spence
There is no progress to be made.
What matters is, to discover what we came to identify ourselves with in the process of being prepared for the participation in the public domain as being of OTHERS being fed with like the milk of our mothers as not being OURS … that discovery sets us free …and is an invitation to leave the streets in which its artificial lights gives a false impression of who and what we are.
I was not born to be a son, brother, friend, uncle to anybody, kill or be killed for this or that ideology, state form etc nor was I born to learn what can be learned, nor to believe what can be believed believe myself as a human being to be and live what I am NOT
It is that simple …

@ Spence
Spiritual experience do befall people, mostly in an reaction an trauma of sorts. that is certainly an relieve for them as it helps them to overcome their trauma.
Once I was told the whole history of a person. I did not interrupt her and listened to her until she was finished .. there upon i was silent for o while and then answered her ..Whatever you could have done wrong in your live your did wrong, but whenever I would have been in your shoes, I too would have acted as you did ..upon which she wept for quite a while, shedding of all her emotions etc.
No living creature can live and grow from what another living creature is consuming and digesting.

Hi Um
You wrote
“No living creature can live and grow from what another living creature is consuming and digesting.”
If you will take a moment to reflect you will see that in fact all living things feed off of other living things.
When you eat soy beans you consume everything the soy plant has consumed and digested.
Even your philosophy is derivative of what you learned from others, however independent you may think you are.
We are products of conditioning.
Choose good food over bad, because what you consume becomes you.
You are what you eat. 😉

@ Spence
Of course all living creatures keep themselves alive by killing and consuming the rest-life-energy of other living creatures on but what you consume doesn’t feed others not even those that are dear to you.
What you experience cannot be experienced by others if that would be the case those living with people that have inner experiences benefit from it. It is a well known fact that many families with a person having an NDE fall apart afterwards.
You see my late dear friend got and deep and long lasting inner experience, and experience that made him write poetry for days, weeks and month at a strech, what reminded me of the way many mystics processed their emotions as can be found in the many Sant Mat books mo different saints.
Yet Spence, both my friend and I had to do our utmost best to hold each others hand in order to prevent that we were drifted away from one another through the force of his experience. …. What kept me going and made it possible was NOT the effect of his experience but the simple feelings of human comradeship of the past
Again nobody can live and flourish from whatever others consume and digest, in their body, their mind or even their soul if there is one.
It surprises me that you have difficulty in grasping simple truth in a simple way.
Just before sending these words I heard the memory of an voice in my mind … Brother, THEY have nothing to share of themselves with you

Here’s some more on meditation masters and their infinite compassion;
https://youtube.com/shorts/NIEdYzvaIg8?si=vT5hOJUKmrZ6aTYF
Nailed it.
If you can’t see the absurdity, then you can’t see why these wannabe mystics and conmen have nothing to offer you other than empty but nice sounding words, hypothetical benefits and spiritual victories confined to paper only

“What god said to this or that Jewish prophet doesn’t mater for others than them and if there is a divine power you speak of, he, she or it FAILED to inform the rest of the world.”
There are several gods” ibnthe kid teqrmznt
A Nice one from Mechisedek and , next the cruel one
from Jericho
Lucifer still leads no wonder the name is hiddenAngel cyborg

Hi Um
Where we went off track was your insistence that the Bible was written literally, telling Jews to take land and form the nation of Israel. That was not the common interpretion among the majority of the Jews over one hundred years ago and for the two plus millennia since the Bible was written.
Zionism didn’t exist one hundred and fifty years ago. The Bible was all about what God was going to bring about, not what human beings were doing in politics.
So if that is unclear to you, then why impose a modern interpretation of how you read the Bible?
You wrote that God told the Jewish prophets to take land. That wasn’t the common interpretation nor did any Jew before the last century presume as much.
That is the only point I was making. Your claim that God told Jews to take land is your own interpretation and does not reflect what Jews took from the Bible for over two thousand years.
Before Zionism no Jew thought God had told them to take anyone else’s land. And not all Jews are Zionists.

@ Spence
What I wrote is about an personal understanding ..I am not an historian.
As several times stressed I used it as an example about the having of so called inner experiences are related psychological and also social circumstances of those that have these experiences and those that hear them and use to for their own personal and social interests.
As a lover of biographies, I just found what i have tried to put into words, being the case all over the place and time.
Inner experiences are without exception always related to an severe need, personal or social…the raise, the birth of any mystic school is always related to a social,cultural “trauma”. …what made me label them as therapeutic tools in order to cure, to make emotions come to rest.
That said … the bible books all tell about the an people and is existance on earth.

@ Spence
In the days of Christ, people in Palestine were living under Roman rule, not only worldly but also religious. The people desperately were hoping for an kingdom of their own and living according their own religious traditions, traditions that spoke of many representatives of their god, in the form of the many prophets, so they were also hoping for a new prophet to guide them.
Christ came and presented himself to THEM, those that were waiting for a SOCIAL reform.
What did Christ offer them? He did not start an revolution against the Romans he said, indirectly, accept, and adapt and find peace inside ..the kingdom of heaven.
He did not say, what most Christians do believe that he had come to die for their sins. He accepted the penalty of the roman authorities as a price for his truth.
You see this is yet another example of how new religious movements are related to and started with an social problem.
It is a psychological solution of an social problem ..it has all the qualities of the approach as put forward by for example MRS Eger and Dr V. Frankl .. is is taking what I call the small road, a way of dealing with personal and/or social trauma that can best me expressed with ..love they enemies.
That small road has nothing to do with enemies, nor with loving them, it just shows somebody that has ears to hear how to ..FREE .. him or herself from the outer cause.
I do understand that religious and spiritual people cannot accept my point of view by pointing their “divine” approach as an psychological solution.
So the way you read the words of Isaiah and how it is taken by others is in fact the “same”

@ Spence
People should …”KNOW themselves” ..”know”… who and what they are as human beings. Know what thoughts are and how they are used, what the functions of thinking.
That knowledge lies inside themselves like the proverbial KEYS ..it is not that complicated..it becomes complicated and complex by to much talking with others …the friends in the streets where the light of the world shines.
If they just stop talking to their “friends” and go “home”: and find for them selves they can find the answers to all the questions they have..they also will start to understand themselves as a conditioned human being with a name a personal history and their unique variation they share with ALL others like themselves … being human and how little they know about what humans make human than they mat get a glimpse of that mystery, realizing that what is an unique is just an unique variation of the same
that humans are the creator gods of their own universe.
Maybe I am making something simple what is complex and divine
maybe others are making something simple complex what is all too humane
and
maybe these are all mental fantasies due to drinking the wrong brand of coffee
hahahaha

Hi Um
You wrote
“Inner experiences are without exception always related to an severe need, personal or social…the raise, the birth of any mystic school is always related to a social,cultural “trauma”. …what made me label them as therapeutic tools in order to cure, to make emotions come to rest.”
I’m not so sure. Yes I do think we all act to avoid pain and find some peace and pleasure in life. But that is the human condition. It is the same for all sorts of schemes, whether religious, political, social, physical or psychological.
Whatever inspired the cell phone inspired Moses. Whatever inspired Thomas Jefferson inspired Thomas Edison. You and I don’t have access to that. Or do we? Whatever internal event that was. Maybe everyone does. Maybe that potential is baked into each of us.
But we all benefit by it, indirectly. And so some are inspired to find that in themselves, to learn to connect with creativity within themselves. That is as often a positive inspiration for personal growth as it is an effort to escape pain.
The very thing you claim doesn’t exist inside you may be the very thing that is actually speaking through you.

@ Spence
If you want to understand my point of view for yourself, just start reading biographies of those that are known in the world as mystics etc…maybe you will find what they have in common.
What I write about is what I found they have in common ..those that speak up in the public domain and offer solutions or teachings, all started doing so AFTER an psychological trauma.
When did Kabir enter the public domain?
What made prince Gautama enter the public domain?
When did the prophets spoke in the public domain?
They all did in reaction to an developing social trauma.

@ Spence
Suffering.
Baba Faqir Chand, writes about the personal trauma he faced and the soldiers under his command.
In the trauma folling a breakdown of his survival mechanism ..his own guru appeared to him and told him what to do and in the same way his soldiers saw him when they were in trouble.
His guru told him that he knew nothing from the incident, nor did the Faqir knew about the problems of his soldiers ..so YES, there is no reason to doubt the stories of both BFC as his own soldiers. yet the one to whom these things were attributed did not have any knowledge about it
What happened to Abraham etc is of the same order Spence.

Hi Um:
You wrote:
“What happened to Abraham etc is of the same order Spence.”
I think it is a bold claim to state that one incident thousands of years apart from another, with different people and time, is in fact the exact same mechanism. And in truth, you and I have no knowledge of what that mechanism might be. We are depending upon verbal reports, and then picking to choose what we wish to believe about them.
Suffice it to say we know very little of reality. I would suggest another problem that helps explain this habit of thinking we know when we don’t. It is the tendency to utilize analogous thinking in place of inductive reasoning. In otherwords, making assumptions about an event we have no actual factual information about by comparing it to something else where we have some, but not all, information. And then assuming the two situations are the same dynamic.
It is more likely, given the paucity of actual information, that the two events are not the same, and further, that our understanding of either event is incomplete at best. And being incomplete, any conclusions are going to be very likely in error and most certainly inaccurate.
It is a proven fact, however, that one single piece of information that was unknown and is now added to the case can entirely reverse the conclusion. And therefore, not having the facts, we should avoid making armchair conclusions, at least if we are attempting to understand something.
No one should believe a poorly based opinion as easily as they disbelieve any other report about an unknown event.
But the two are not the same.

@ Spence
There has never been a Spence before you and after you die there will never be one, yet you have something common with all those live around you … you are a unique variation ..of what is labeled as ..HUMAN
Now …you are free to focus on that uniqueness of your self and the uniqueness of the experience of Abraham, but that cannot effect the sameness.

@ Spence
In a strange way, what St John of the Cross wrote in his poems and later explained to the nuns of Avila is related what is at stake here.
He wrote that:
..IF….the Lord wants to reach out to somebody, he does so in DARKNESS.
is accompanied by
Then he goes on to explain that:
– OFTEN, this touch of the Lord is accompanied by INNER EXPERIENCES
AND
UNFORTUNATELY …
– these experiences, are seen as the very touch itself.
[Unfortunately as it is an distraction on the path and or opening a door for the appearance of “unwanted” powers
I tend to add to the last …powers of personal imagination, being the outcome of the desires and needs of a person
P.S.
Within the box, there is much variety of thinking, controversial thinking etc etc etc, all things that do not exist outside the box …outside the box there is FREEDOM of thought
St John had to fear for his life and was for a while carcerated.
What I took from the association with the late MCS is …FREEDOM. …How he came to be a guru, how he handled that psychological and how he later on did his duty towards the masses in answering their questions, as to how to live and how to handle the teachings and practice of Sant mat ..all …all ..all bear the stamp of FREEDOM, mental freedom.

Just switched onto a couple of news channels to see if world peace has broken out! But the news channels were all about the conclave and electing a new pope. I don’t doubt that pope Francis was a kindly man and had people’s interests at heart and although he spoke out about real important issues such as climate change, looking around the world little has changed, in fact, with self-serving socioipathic leaders like Trump who has no interest whatsoever in the health of the oceans and land (only in self-aggrandisement), the environment has a bleak future.
With issues like climate change, the invasion, bombing and killing of people in Ukraine and Gaza, no matter how often well-meaning people like a Pope and other concerned figures of importance ‘call for peace’ and real action toward the most important issue of climate change and environmental destruction facing us today, people’s greed and unwillingness to change and address the problem seriously can only result if further misery and distress.
The only recourse is for people to ‘stick their head in the sand’, pretend it isn’t happening and believe the latest conspiracy theories. We need enlightened world leaders (and citizens), (not just a few counties and organisations), who can muster people together for the benefit of all and in particular, for future genera-tions. We seem to forget, or not want to recognise that this planet, the environment and ourselves are intimately connected; disturb one eco-system and (as past actions show), it always has serious consequences.

@ Ron E.
You often write about role of survival.
If we look around us, it appears that all living creatures depend on themselves, even in herds.
All those institutions and individuals who pretend to be able to help others, change things for the better, are not only the cause of all existing problems but also their lasting presence.
Humans are natural beings and should live a natural life.
Living in cities, guided by social, cultural ideologies, laws etc does that make for a natural life?
We are made to gather our own food and take responsibility for our personal welfare but can we in such circumstances as we have created for ourselves?
With every step we take, we have to take into account many things that are not there, abstract, ideological things …even our furniture in house “command” us to sit in a particular way in a given space. We have hardly any control over our life ..we consume things made by others, behave as commanded and controlled by others.
People like Hannah Arendt and Mattias Desmet, although not touching it in this way, write about the consequences, individual, social and cultural. … people do not feel at home, settled and safely, in a surrounding they understand, of which they share the same understanding with those around them what makes them feel isolated, and impossible to attribute meaning and value to their life. This creates fear. Humans in order to act properly need to understand their environment ..that is why we have eyes, ears and a mind and when the incoming information is ambiguous and cannot be organized properly continuous stress will be the outcome ..and if that lasts long enough for a growing amount of people, then the clutter together, form a mass and ..spit out and “snake oil seller” that offers the so needed solutions.
Changed for the better and the desire to explain, control and foresee the future has made us live, as they write, in a mechanistic way more or less likje robots or zombies.
Humans do not have the power, mental or otherwise, to change nature for the better, they are made to live int it, adapt to it.
We have been crippled made into slaves of others no longer able to stand on our own feet as a natural human ..the level of dependency on others and outward abstract things is the real thing..there is no solution to be had from anybody
Happy are those that have maintained their natural way of life as some remote indigenous tribes are still doing

@ Ron E.
Frankly, I think your pov is why Trump is president and Kalama is not. None of the dem leaders are even talking about “climate change” any longer, which is a telling indication that none of them ever believed it was the existential danger they claimed it was. For sure most people in the country don’t care a fig about climate change as a priority. A 2024 Yale Program on Climate Change Communication survey found that only 37% of registered U.S. voters (including Democrats) said global warming is “very important” to their vote, and among moderate/conservative Democrats, it ranked 14th out of 28 issues, with environmental protection at 8th. Liberal Democrats ranked it higher (4th).
A 2022 X post cited a NY Times/Siena College poll claiming only 3% of Democrats viewed climate change as the most important problem facing the country, though this reflects a snapshot where immediate economic concerns likely dominated.
Part of the reason for this lack of enthusiasm is that people now understand that no matter what austerities the US dem leaders foist on the public, it will have no effect whatever on the climate. India and China will go on merrily polluting.
People also understand that the measures taken to “fix the climate” have resulted in sky high electricity prices and brownouts. The windmills, the solar panels, these were short-sighted solutions that bordered on scams. Who’s been sticking their head in the sand? I’ve seen society under the dems take full scale action to re-rig the climate. It did nothing, it just made people’s lives worse. People are using more energy than ever and nothing is going to change that, not even “green” energy. The solution is hardly to dun the public with more useless austerities. Trump is taking a reasonable approach to this, for we must have energy. Electric grids across the country are at their breaking point. Technology will make the climate cleaner over time, but we are far better off finding realistic solutions to managing energy and the environment. You know, something better than LA did in dealing with fire danger. Think about LA. The most liberal, the most wealthy, the most environmentally aware region of the US let itself be completely unprepared for an inevitable fire. After that disaster, people were wailing” climate change!!” But it wasn’t climate change that was to blame, it was lunkheaded zoning and poor preparation.
America wants to move forward. It doesn’t want to be fricken Europe, full of undesirables and feckless leaders who glory in regulations and saving the planet with measures that do nothing.
As for the war in Ukraine, I can’t imagine what you want done. The only way to forcibly bring the war to an end would be for the US to attack Russia. We know how that would turn out. Biden’s actions did jack squat. Biden refused to even talk to Putin. Trump is at least willing to do whatever it takes to bring the war to a close.
As for Gaza, it’s been a very interesting episode of US foreign policy vs domestic policy. By that I mean we saw Biden and Kalama trying to be “fair” to both Israel and the Palestinians. Boy, was that a mistake. A huge political mistake that is, because for their troubles, Biden and Harris only succeeded in having both Israel AND democrats infuriated with them.
Trump is dealing with the Gaza situation as a political realist. He understands that he has to pick a side, and therefore, he’s gone all-in in his support for Israel. This makes many of us sick to our stomachs (myself for one) because I’m with Dave Smith and others who say that Israel’s “defense'” is only a campaign of murderous spite and ethnic cleansing to steal land. Nevertheless, politicians have to deal with practical solutions, so I at least understand Trump’s approach of siding with Israel. And it may well be the only practical solution there is.

Trump is leader due to apathy and his ability to distort and lie. He should have been sentenced following his 30 something convictions. Many in the US have been conned by him. The worst and increasingly unpopular president to date.
There are many who are working to help halt and reverse climate change but are up against the defeatist attitude you display. You follow the wrong news feads and propaganda.

I’ve read some pretty obscene and idiotic defences of the indefensible here over the past 20 months. This is especially worrisome when it comes from those who claim to not only be be spiritual, but also to have transcended the self/ego construct. Their words betray the truth over and over again.
The below is imo pretty much as authentically and spiritual a perspective one can have on the horrors our western governments, media, politicians have enabled and continue to enable to unfold. The funny thing is, no word about God, gurus or the divine are mentioned.
Full text, link to original sub stack and a video of somebody reciting the text linked below.
Well worthy, if not essential, reading:
“Silence is the Oxygen that Genocide Breathes.
This is not about sides. This is about souls. And one simple question: will we stand for life, before it is too late?
Rich Willed
May 18, 2025
This is not just another essay.
This is a response to the question I have been asked over and over again: what can I do?
“It’s complicated.”
“There are two sides.”
“Both are to blame.”
I have used these phrases myself for a long time. I understand the desire to resist the polarities of blame. I understand the spiritual and psychological impulse to hold nuance and complexity, to avoid taking a hardened position.
But at this moment in history—when Israel is openly, and almost proudly, on the verge of ethnically cleansing Gaza in its entirety—I can’t help but feel these lines have become the lullabies of moral distraction: comfortable, neutral-sounding incantations that allow people to avoid responsibility while pretending they care.
But genocide does not happen in a vacuum.
It requires precisely this kind of moral ambiguity to survive.
Let’s be clear: this is not a war between two sides.
When one side controls the borders, the airspace, the water, the electricity, the population registry…
When one side has the tanks, the missiles, the surveillance drones, and the nuclear weapons…
When one side has illegally occupied the other for 57 years, in clear violation of international law…
When one side has explicitly stated its intent to prevent—at all costs—what is, in my view, the only real hope for peace: a two-state solution. And when it can be shown that this same side propped up Hamas strategically, precisely to sabotage that possibility…
When one side has dropped the explosive equivalent of 2–3 Hiroshima bombs on Gaza—and is still bombing…
When one side is now speaking openly and unapologetically about its intention to completely eradicate the other from the land…
And when the other side is starving, displaced, homeless, and dying at a rate of 250 people per day—while begging the world for the most basic human rights…
Then I put it to you that the mere suggestion that this is a conflict between “two sides” borders on insanity.
And yet, somehow, this is still the dominant narrative.
But this is not a conflict.
This is not a war.
This is a one-sided campaign of annihilation that began a long time before October 7.
This is genocide.
This is a slow, creeping campaign of ethnic cleansing—unfolding over decades—that is now reaching its sudden, complete, and horrifying crescendo.
To name these truths is not to erase Israeli suffering. It does not deny the trauma of October 7, the grief of Jewish families, nor the long history of Jewish suffering—mainly at the hands of Europeans by the way…
It is simply to inhabit the reality of what is happening—right now.
“Both sides” has become the shield behind which genocidal power hides.
It creates the illusion of parity, even as the bombs fall almost exclusively on one side of the wall.
It invites us to intellectualise the slaughter of children—to turn starvation into a debate about balance.
But there is no both sides to bombing hospitals.
There is no both sides to snipers and drones killing children.
There is no both sides to blocking food, water, and medicine from a trapped and traumatised civilian population.
There is no both sides dropping 2,000-pound bombs on refugee camps.
And there is no both sides searching desperately for its babies beneath the rubble.
Neutrality in the face of injustice is not virtue.
It is complicity dressed up as reason.
This Is What Genocide Looks Like
Not in theory. Not in textbooks. Not in the shadows of history.
But here. Now. Live-streamed into our homes.
When children starve to death while food trucks are turned away…
When journalists are assassinated, alongside their families, for simply telling the truth…
When 70% of the dead are women and children…
When over 60,000 people have been killed, and entire family lines erased from the registry…
When mass graves are found in hospital courtyards, hands bound, heads crushed…
When the infrastructure of life—schools, homes, mosques, bakeries, water tanks—is systematically dismantled…
That’s not “self-defence.”
That’s not a military campaign.
That’s not unfortunate collateral damage.
That is genocide.
And it’s not just happening—it’s being filmed, funded, justified, and denied in real time.
This is what it looks like when empire drops its mask.
This is what it looks like when the machinery of death is no longer ashamed.
The question is no longer: Is this genocide?
The question is: How many more need to die before we stop pretending it isn’t?
And perhaps more importantly: How is this ok?
It’s Silence That Keeps It Going
“The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.”
—Albert Einstein
Genocide doesn’t just require bombs.
It requires silence.
The silence of journalists who know, but won’t say.
The silence of politicians who whisper concern, but keep sending weapons.
The silence of artists, analysts, and influencers who fear losing followers.
The silence of liberal institutions that pride themselves on nuance, but collapse under moral weight.
And then there’s the most dangerous silence of all: the silence of the masses. The silence within each of us.
The silence that says:
“I can’t do anything.”
“It’s too complicated.”
“It’s not my place.”
“I’m not informed enough.”
“I might offend someone.”
But here’s the truth: You don’t need to be an “expert” to know that starving children is wrong.
You don’t need to be perfect to stand with humanity, you only need to be human.
If I could scream only one thing from every rooftop it would be this: YOUR SILENCE IS NOT NEUTRAL!
This silence—our silence—is the oxygen that genocide breathes.
Silence is what turns crimes into policy, and policy into normalcy.
Because genocide doesn’t need your approval, it only requires your indifference.
Why I Choose to Speak
Because I can’t sleep.
Because every time I close my eyes, I see children, starving, screaming, buried beneath rubble, their names erased with their bodies, as if they never breathed a breath.
Because it’s the only way I can support myself to continue to feel—without collapsing.
Because I have a son.
Because I know what it means to love a child so much your whole world reorients around their breath.
So when I see a father holding the lifeless body of his child in his arms…
So when I see a mother screaming over a bundle on a hospital floor…
I don’t see politics. I don’t see semantics. I don’t see two sides.
I see incomprehensible pain and suffering being normalised.
I choose to speak because it’s how I hold onto my humanity.
I choose to speak because I know that if I stay silent—if I let fear or politeness or spiritual bypassing keep me neutral—then some part of me must die.
Perhaps the most important part of me.
So I speak.
Not to be righteous.
Not to be loud.
Not to shame or blame.
But because I cannot betray the truth of my own heart.
Because I would rather be shunned for speaking than broken for staying silent.
And when my son asks me, one day, what I did during this time?
I want to be able to look him in the eyes and say:
I stood on the side of empathy.
I stood on the side of life.”
https://richwilled.substack.com/p/silence-is-the-oxygen-that-genocide
https://www.instagram.com/theundercoverhippy/reel/DJ41JA2tvik/

There are folks here who talk absolute bullshit about love, compassion, empathy and connection.
Empty shells of words.
The author of the above article demonstrates CONNECTION with the meaning contained within his words.
We should be able to distinguish & discriminate between empty shells of words and the real thing itself, which doesn’t even need the words compassion, love, connection etc.

Really? and Spence Tepper are decades long initiates of Huzur Charan Singh.
Cmon folks, tap that radiant form up and get some consensus going!
I’m here in the radiant realm waiting to see the outcome, how come nobody else is out here?

@Um sometimes what you write is very beautiful.
Very, very beautiful.
But only sometimes 😘

@ Manjit
>>But only sometimes …<< Here you touch a mysterious phenomena. We drink coffee or tea, always the same brand, the same preparation, the same cup etc. but most of the time it is not up to the mark ...only sometimes we have that feeling ..YES, .....this is how it should taste.

“This Is Your Priest on Drugs
Dozens of religious leaders experienced magic mushrooms in a university study. Many are now evangelists for psychedelics.
…..
t’s not often that a group of clergy members recount a high-dose psilocybin trip. Would people steeped in theology and religious practice offer uniquely informed or nuanced accounts of mystical experiences? Would they encounter imagery or symbolism from their faiths—or might their experiences point to something more universal, a common core shared by all religions? Among participants who had two sessions, the researchers found that a striking number—seventy-nine per cent—reported that the experience had enriched their prayer, their effectiveness in their vocation, and their sense of the sacred in daily life. Ninety-six per cent rated their first encounters with psilocybin as being among the top five most spiritually significant experiences of their lives.
…..Psychedelics “can give new life to the dogma, by helping people understand where the dogma came from,”…
….Like virtually all the religious leaders I spoke with, Priest reported an encounter with the divine. His session began with gorgeous visuals—fractal patterns that reminded him of mosaics in a mosque. Then a spiralling current of electricity seemed to take up residence in his left thigh. He felt it move powerfully up his body and lodge in his throat. “I thought my Adam’s apple was about to explode,” he told me.
Interviewees tended to report “authentic spiritual or religious experiences,” the account notes. A priest is quoted as saying, “I wasn’t dreaming, I wasn’t imagining, I wasn’t hallucinating.” Many participants likened their experience to those of historical and scriptural figures. “I was able to experience what the mystics were for some reason able to experience spontaneously,” a pastor said. “I don’t think that . . . my experience was less than theirs.”According to the interviews, the divine was not usually embodied or visible but, rather, felt as a presence that suffused reality, or as a sense of oneness. “I realize my very pulse is God, my very breath is God,” a rabbi said.
Several participants were surprised to encounter imagery or dogma outside their own faith. A Congregationalist minister described turning into an Aztec god and then the Hindu god Shiva. No one I spoke to, not even the rabbis, described seeing the stereotypical God of the Old Testament. And many of the religious leaders, men and women alike, experienced the divine as a feminine presence. Participants characterized God as “soothing,” “maternal,” or “womb-like.” A United Methodist pastor from Alabama called this “mind-blowing.” (Jaime Clark-Soles, the Baptist Biblical scholar in the study, told me, “God struck me as a Jewish mother at one point, which is funny, since I’m a Jesus follower.”) One of Priest’s fellow-Episcopalians, a man, reported, “I had a total deconstruction of patriarchal religion.”
Early in her first session, Ahmed told me, she felt God right behind her. “Like, if I turned around, I would bump into God,” she said. “There’s a verse in the Quran in which God says, ‘I’m closer to you than your jugular vein.’ The jugular is the life-giving source. God was with me the whole time.” For her, God was neither masculine nor feminine. “God was above gender, above everything . . . an existence, not a figure,” she said. “And God was love.” Her epiphany was a familiar psychedelic trope, but that did not make it any less profound. “It was just mind-blowingly clear how wrong we have it as human beings, and how we need to nurture love, to put it at the center of our engagement with humanity and animals and the planet,” she told me…….”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/05/26/this-is-your-priest-on-drugs
Junkies! 😉

There is a very persuasive theory, supported by anthropological and other scientific areas, which suggests psychedelics like psilocybe mushrooms helped kickstart, perhaps even quantum leap, the evolution of human consciousness. It is known as the “Stoned Ape Theory”.
There is a profound and sudden shift/leap in human cognition some 40 odd thousand years ago which corresponded with the sudden appearance of cave art, for example.
“It is here that we see an apparent leap in cognitive ability for early humans.
“For the first time ever, these humans lived in worlds of their own creation, materially and symbolically,” Falk says via email. “Like you and I, these humans were capable of creating worlds in their heads and then re-creating those worlds in the external physical and social environments. Although other homo species may have efficiently exploited nature, they remained its passive subjects. The key to this major distinction between homo sapiens sapiens and all other hominids appears to be language.”
Falk, whose areas of study include phenomenology and anthropology, says that while we have no shortage of good evidence and theory regarding the course of human evolution, the leap to self-consciousness remains a mystery.
“The stoned ape hypothesis offers a possible keystone that appears to fit together with much of the existing scientific evidence and theory,” he says, though he stresses that this is only one possible answer.”
https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/stoned-ape-hypothesis.htm
So, my suggestion to Um and others would be, rather than being fatalistic and nihilistic about the human condition, psychology and biology, and dismissive of psychedelics despite being COMPLETELY ignorant of the experience in any sort of meaningful way, OPEN your mind, drop the mushrooms, and EVOLVE.
Or, as you were. You all do you. Sometimes we just don’t know what we don’t know, even when presented with copious evidence of it in front of our faces, and chose to cling to our DIS-CONNECTION, our individuality, our ego.

“His session began with gorgeous visuals—fractal patterns that reminded him of mosaics in a mosque. Then a spiralling current of electricity seemed to take up residence in his left thigh. He felt it move powerfully up his body and lodge in his throat. “I thought my Adam’s apple was about to explode,” he told me.”
Are folks paying attention? No, probably not. But essential understand for the serious seeker.
As somebody who had significant and intense “kundalini awakening” type phenomena occur 25 odd years ago (as well as extensively researching the subject textually), I can recognise immediately this description as almost if not entirely identical to “kundalini awakening” phenomena.
As I have mentioned before, Eastern technologies like pranayama, mudra, meditation etc imo are designed to release endogenous DMT within the mind-body. Psychedelics like mushrooms contain orally active DMT, so the experiences from both are very similar if not identical.
Experiences like the above are very persuasive evidence for this imo, the similarities are beyond coincidental.

https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/s/ZkhaBXf3QJ
Oh dear, it seems egomaniacal, morally bankrupt, mystic wannabes and intellectual hucksters like Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson are really haemorrhaging fans and followers.
I guess folks just ain’t buying the whole wise, compassionate, morally superior spirituality thing coming from folks who can justify the slaughter of brown babies in their tens of thousands for decades on end because, well, Muslims are just so bad and Zionists are such beautiful human beings, and tens of thousands of brown babies is merely an unfortunate inconvenience in pursuit of that truth!

Dave Smith: Impeach Trump over war with Iran
https://youtu.be/VMo00fQesII?si=bKZEEIzybYWK2ako
Seeing reality dawn on the MAGA support base regarding Trump’s incessant lies and BS and essentially totally disintegrate has been the one silver lining over the past few days.
A great many of them are showing great integrity in admitting their mistake in believing in Trump’s lies and are now criticising Trump’s Israel and Zio death cult first policies.
If only so called liberals showed the same integrity as the MAGA base whilst their leaders were committing genocide for 20 months and demanded it stop, perhaps we wouldn’t now be sleep walking into another generation of humanity brutalised and traumatised by western imperialist colonialism and barbarism fought by the poor in service of their genocidal elites.
Still, onwards…. perhaps a 3rd way can be forged to transcend this system where you get Zionism and genocide whichever party you vote for?

I thought it fair to list the pros and cons for the Imperialist West to support Israel with their blood lust and go to war with Iran!:
Cons:
Israel is an ethno state.
Israel is currently committing genocide.
Israel is in violation of multiple international laws.
Israel is brazenly committing war crimes, predominantly against women and children, every day.
Israel is pathologically dishonest including to it’s own “allies”.
Israel has nuclear weapons.
Israel is not a member of the nuclear non proliferation treaty.
Israel is absolutely batshit insane.
Israel is the product and embodiment of an apocalyptic death cult.
Israel has launched illegal attacks on multiple countries in the past few weeks alone.
Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons.
Iran hasn’t invaded or attacked another country in 400 years.
Iran is a member of the nuclear non proliferation treaty.
US supporting Israel does not help it’s citizens in any discernable way. On the contrary, it makes the entire world a far, far more dangerous place for everyone.
Etc etc
Pros:
Israelis are white.
Iranians are brown.
You decide!

@ Manjit
Before a fire dies out the flames flare up for the last time.
Humanity has developed all sorts of regional cultures, that all have their roots in far past, hundreds and thousands of years ago …ideologies about humans and their live in this earth.
One of the most striking part is the idea of “growth for the better” An idea that has brought humanity the possibility to live in places where they otherwise could not survive, and in numbers that would otherwise impossible and in all sorts or with all sorts of artificial and/or unnatural pleasures
Writing these words I am reminded of the words of the late MCS …comparing the growth of the sangat with a plant that gets to much, water, sunlight and nutrients…it growth to fast and has no time to develop enough strength = wood to keep itself upright …. and that has to change …and ..it did
What is going on in the world after 1990 are the convulsions of socio- cultural ideas of the far past that no longer serve humanity and which one tries to keep alive.
The political and religious systems of the past are no longer helpful … first all religions, certain those born in the middel east have to disappear from the surface of the earth before anything new can arise out of the ashes.
Just think for a moment … there are cultures that NEVER developed “growth for the better” .. cultures that never grew either vertical or horizontal and yet are still alive these days living in more or less harmony with nature.
All participants in the ME are fighting for their survival, their growth, their interest …and participants are many, and certainly not only that push the buttons ..they are just the executors imo.
Think of the millions of believers ..and .. do not forget those that have the [military]power to intervene that remain silent ..they all are involved

tries to keep alive …..AT ALL COSTS…..AT ALL COSTS…..AT ALL COSTS
A L L … no matter how much destruction

Just read part of an article in the media with the title: ”
The ‘hungriest place on Earth’ reaches increasingly shocking lows”
I realized that when the moment comes, when it dawns upon the Israeli government, the Israeli people,etc what is going in in gaza, when they wake up from the traumatic shock caused by the Hamas’ attack .. it will be too late ….they will realize that they transgressed a border, that humans should not do as there is no justification for it.
It will be a shock for them when they become aware that Gaza is and was not an project, an goal to be achieved but and community of HUMAN BEINGS … when they realize that these so called potential terrorist they have to defend themselves against are HUMAN like themselves.
Even today the Germans as a group and individual have to suffer from the atrocities of the Nazi regime even when they did not commit any crime themselves but could not prevent the birth and raise of Nazism

I found it!
Um wrote: “Just read part of an article in the media with the title: ”
The ‘hungriest place on Earth’ reaches increasingly shocking lows”
I realized that when the moment comes, when it dawns upon the Israeli government, the Israeli people,etc what is going in in gaza, when they wake up from the traumatic shock caused by the Hamas’ attack .. it will be too late ….they will realize that they transgressed a border, that humans should not do as there is no justification for it.
It will be a shock for them when they become aware that Gaza is and was not an project, an goal to be achieved but and community of HUMAN BEINGS … when they realize that these so called potential terrorist they have to defend themselves against are HUMAN like themselves.
Even today the Germans as a group and individual have to suffer from the atrocities of the Nazi regime even when they did not commit any crime themselves but could not prevent the birth and raise of Nazism”
Brilliant comment.
Raise your voices until they become a chorus drowning out the racial supremacists, bigots, genocidal monsters.
Silence is complicity.
Thank you Um.
In the meantime, as I was awaiting a diaper wearing 80 year old manbaby who needs two assistants to help him put on his underpants every morning, with an IQ under 70 and who’s never read a book in his entire life, deciding if he should start a war with the ancient civilisation of Iran, and plunge the world into an INEVITABLY ULTRA DANGEROUS state (you are a total numpty if you haven’t worked out that it is with IRAN that both China and Russia will throw down their arms too, your head is way too far up CNN’s ass – they now know that the colonial blood thirst of Western Imperialism is not only unstoppable, but beyond ANY MEANS of decency or diplomacy. Trump proved it this week, case closed. They, both very clever societies, KNOW now, with certainty, that they must unite and fight the clear threat of Western colonialism which in it’s late stage capitalism needs to keep eating, and slaughtering, and eating and slaughtering to prop up it’s extreme wealth and privilege.
There is ZERO percent chance either of those nations will allow another US/Zionist coup in Iran, because they will be next, obviously.

Oops, hit send prematurely.
Anyway, point was as I was awaiting the manbaby’s decision, obvious as it was from the beginning (there is no way he wants his Epstein file coming out! 🙂 – I was engaged in a discourse with 4.2g of dried Psilocybe Cyanascens (for those paying attention, these are not regular cubes, being somewhere between 2-3 stronger than Cubensis strains), and also some music from a fellow Savej:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0QWp5UW7z4
As beautiful as that discourse was, I only mention it because, in all truth and honesty, I don’t even pay any real attention to my posts here, for many years now really. I write them quickly and off-handedly, more as a sense of duty than any real engagement, and almost instantly forget about it.
I have never once had a thought about this forum on any psychedelic journey, but this time it was impressed on me to write these few posts today, WITH ATTENTION paid.
So duty done, or at least I’ve tried to. Cheerio! 🙂

@ Manjit
It might look that way but I am not raising my voice at least not AGAINST anything or anybody
For many years I have said to those near and dear to me that I felt uneasy, that is seemed to me that I heard a thundering noise in the far distance but could not hear what it was. The last years it has become closer and closer as i saw , let us say the 80% in the middle of the Gauss curve been pushed away in the media so that the EXTREME sides came to confront one another and made the common man, the silent minority that had been a buffer for decades to take part and take sides. Now I do say at those near and dear ..please do not get involved, stand beside, do not let yourself be forced to take side …and … in order to underline what I want to understand them … compare what is going on in the world with being in an cinema and some body shouts fire or their is fire .. in any case, fake or not fake, the masses will force themselves a way out and they will tremble upon everything that is in the way ..so FIRST stand with your back against the wall and tet it pass before you take action

Well you raised your voice to express Israelis transgressed a border of human decency.
I often course completely disagree with your comments to not get involved.
Imo to not get involved in instances of such extreme injustice and inhumanity is to be less than human, less than spiritual, and does not reflect the wisdom and connectivity engendered by authentic transpersonal mystic experience.
But each to their own.

@ Manjit
If somebody would say that I can write the words love and devotion [ambition] but not more than that I probably would say .. Well you are right … and that lack of devotion and love has market my every step in this life.
That said I did have the good fortune in my life to be around people that to some degree seemed to have some of that devotion and love.
I always wondered how I could see the difference between the real and the fake, not having these qualities myself.
The process of looking into the may mirrors of the world has not been easy I have to say as I had first to find out that not all mirrors are perfect .. many were dirty, others broken and some misinformed and looking in them and seeing an image as it is is not that simple .. but if I am allowed to live a couple of years more, god knows I will be able to have a clear view.

@ Manjit
Making myself something to drink I was reminded of the Honorable Lao Zi, a man of such a great wisdom and mental power, that saw himself forced to sneak away in the darkness of night , realizing that his words didn’t matter ..who, for havens sake am I to think that why words would do any good in raising my voice against these powers … i do not like rain and I might have shouted now and then ..go away I do not need you but the rain never stopped

I have very little time to post here atm, but I have been meaning to post a few messages here for a short while now. I’ll get to it sooner or later.
But as I’m seated here in an interminable waiting room, I’d thought I’d close out this one:
Out of Body Experiences
Samantha Lee Treasure
https://amzn.eu/d/a0c05N5
As I’ve often recounted, I had a near fetish of owning and reading every single book in English on the subject of OBEs, astral projection, lucid dreaming etc up until the age of 20 or so (a very rare and impressive collection from pre internet days was binned during a moment of RS fundamentalism where I considered this “Kal” related…silly move!).
Anyway, post 90s I’ve not had much of an interest in the subject but as a remnant of my fetish, I have on very rare occasions purchased and read important or popular books on the subject just out of habit or intellectual curiosity, but with no real passion.
I can only really recall reading Jürgen Ziew’s book, a lucid dreaming book by a David Love (or some such) and Robert Waggoner’s Lucid Gateways book over the past 30 odd years, but I may have forgotten 1 or 2.
Waggoner’s Lucid Gateways book was the only one that made any kind of impression on me personally, btw. An advanced book relatively speaking.
Anyway, Treasure’s new book has been getting a lot of very positive reviews from all the right people, so I warily purchased it.
To be fair, I was quite underwhelmed by the book…. there’s not a single thing in the book I wasn’t already aware about but in much more depth. But, I suspect this is one of those books if I read as a 11 or 12 year old I may have considered it a classic. IE. I’m not a fair judge at this point.
Anyway, reason for mentioning this book is it contains references to David and Andrea Diem-Lane, Eckankar and Kirpal Singh.
A whole chapter on Eck experiencers, couple paragraphs on the Lanes and couple sentence or one on Kirpal.
In summary, Treasure is an open minded experiencer of OBEs who makes an authentic attempt at understanding what exactly she’s experiencing.
Fascinatingly, she leans towards the explanation reality is a simulation.
I kind of chuckled at this, but just a day or two later had pretty mind blowing “inner experiences” which also suggested to me that at the very least reality and experience BEHAVES like a simulation. I would dive into that deeper here, but what with being very busy and only with mobile phone access, and what with the general sentiment on the blog currently being a shit show of reductionist arrogance and ignorance masquerading as wisdom and insight, I’ll hold off for the time being.
But I’ll get to it. There’s a lot of shit to be unravelled here, especially in regards RS, these online forums and my and others postings here.
OM NAMAH SHIVAH!

*Daniel Love sorry
https://www.thelucidguide.com/about-daniel-love

Excellent antidote to the tired reductive materialism philosophy often espoused here!
https://www.noemamag.com/why-science-hasnt-solved-consciousness-yet

Western civilization and democracy in full flow:
“At least 15 Palestinians, including eight children and two women, have been killed in an Israeli strike near a medical point in central Gaza, a hospital there says.
Al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital said the strike hit people queueing for nutritional supplements in the town of Deir al-Balah. Graphic video from the hospital showed the bodies of several children and others lying on the floor as medics treated their wounds.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gd01g1gxro

Imagine that there was global media information in bygone times when there was an
INVASION By:
-the huns
– the romans
– the greek
– the english
– the french
– The portugese
– the spanish
– the aeabs
– the egyptions
– the maya
– the vikings
Why work, if you can take it from others, or have others do it?
Why refrain from growth if you can take the land of others?
Than thing how people spread their message in order to make it seen for themselves and others as “normal”. It starts at early age with “convincing”other kids to smoke, drink alcoholics, use drugs and do many other things if not pressed to do so.
When grown up, we spread ideologies for the same reason and most of the time the spreading is done under pressure ..and understatement, not willing to use other words.
The old Hindus summed it all up:
lust
greed
attachement
anger
egocentrism
Nothing has change for the better over time .. only the tools and scope / size / extent has changed and the media attention
We have had so many “Nero’s” .. just to name one … there are so many potential “sleeping Hitlers” around to day, they can be part of your family, friends neighborhood etc but in missing the right circumstances they go unnoticed…by themselves and others.

Let’s take a brief entertainment break from all the ground breaking, ultra important and saturated with meaning discussions going on around here.
Let’s have a look at what life is like at the other end of this chain of being which we tug at mindlessly with our unquestioned sense of entitlement and privilege in the west:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Aod6N-G5sZQ?si=7lJwAtK9BDVZ0Bot
I don’t know if there is an afterlife of the individual ego, but I sure hope it’s not anything like Sawan Singh hinted at, where even a grain of wheat which accidentally blows from a neighbouring farm into your own, unbeknownst to you, must be accounted for.
Because if it is, a lot of folks will have to be forced to respect balance and understand what it means to be at these opposite ends of privilege and entitlement to their current life of mindless and heartless excess.
Or, as another Palestinian is once alleged to have said, “”it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God”.
I think it only fair to assume they meant “rich” relative to their life as a Palestinian.
Seeing as the average Palestinian doesn’t even own their own life, family, land, human rights, water, food, medical treatment etc, if Jesus was right, I’d say we’re all pretty much fucked.
Amen.

“Seeing as the average Palestinian doesn’t even own their own life, family, land, human rights, water, food, medical treatment etc”
Western civilisation via it’s government proxies stole it from them, whilst the civilians remained silent and ate their large fries and coke and watched grown men throw a misshapen ball around a field instead, followed by a pat on their own back for being so darn nice and civilised in a world full of ungrateful barbarians.
And the wheel keeps spinning….

I had as a very young child, say ages 3 or 4 to 12, what I can safely say anyone who knew me back then would say is a “weird” relationship with plenty of “weird” behaviours and events, with Guru Nanak.
To say I was obsessed would not be an exaggeration.
But it’s interesting to notice the discrepancy between the Guru Nanak filtered through RS and to a western audience compared to the Nanak I felt intimately close to since I was still pretty much a baby.
Nanak becomes an object of power and superhuman abilities and knowledge. A meditation master extraordinaire, no doubt reposed in eternal bliss!
But he was something totally, totally different to me. The greatness which had me totally gripped with awe and obsession as a child were actually stories like these. I guess even as a very young child I recognised how very rare this kind of love was amongst humans!:
“With great anger Malik Bhago said to Guru ji, “You are dishonoring Kshatriyas by eating dry chapaties in the house of a low caste carpenter. My feast will offer you delicious food. Why do you refuse to eat it?”.
Guru Nanak took Bhai Lalo’s dry chapati in his right hand and Malik Bhago’s fried sweet pancake in his left hand. When he squeezed the right hand the people present there saw drops of milk dripping from it. And when he pressed the left hand with the Malik Bhago’s fried pancakes, everyone saw blood trickling from it.
“Look Malik Bhago, wealth gathered by cruelty and corruption towards the poor is like sucking their blood which you have done. You had invited me to partake of blood, leaving food pure as milk. How could I accept it?” said Guru ji. ”
https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bhai_Lalo%27s_honesty
“Mehta Kalu gave twenty rupees to Guru Nanak and Bhai Mardana Ji and said, “Go with Nanak. Buy and bring some genuine goods by selling of which we may make profit. In this way if you make a profitable transaction, next time I will send you with more money to buy goods.”
Guru Nanak and Bhai Mardana Ji started from Talwandi towards Choohar-khaana to purchase some merchandise. They had hardly gone ten or twelve miles from the village when they came across a village, where the people were starving, thirsty and sick due to lack of water and an outbreak of disease.
Guru Nanak Sahib Ji said to Bhai Mardana Ji, “Father has asked us to carry out some profitable transaction. No bargain can be more truly profitable than to feed and clothe the needy. I cannot leave this true bargain. It is seldom that we get an opportunity to carry out some profitable transaction like this.”
Guru Nanak took all the money to the next nearest village dwelling, where he bought plentiful supply of food and brought water for these people. Guru Sahib invested the twenty rupees into what we today call ‘Langar’…..
……At the place where the true bargain took place, Gurdwara Sacha Sauda Sahib is built. In current day Pakistan the Gurdwara Sacha Sauda is in the city of Farooqabad. On Guru Nanak Sahib Ji’s gurpurb local muslim residents were interviewed in Farooqabad. An elderly Muslim man narrated the story of Guru Nanak Sahib’s true bargain. The stories shared by the muslim residents did not correlate with stories of Guru Nanak feeding hungry Sadhus.
An elderly Muslim man described the story as it is written in the article. Guru Sahib fed starving and sick villagers, not reclusive, wandering Sadhus. He thanked Guru Sahib for saving his ancestors from sickness and coming to their aid.
This is the foundation of Guru-Ka-Langar. Twenty rupees invested by Guru Nanak has led to Sikhs all over the world doing sewa of the needy, poor, sick and living the message of living in a household while sharing with others, as instructed by Guru Amar Das Ji.”
https://www.discoversikhism.com/sikh_gurus/guru_nanak_sacha_sauda.html
“Guru Nanak Dev ji’s first words on reappearing, after his enlightenment, were that, “There is no Hindu and no Musalman”. Many people have taken this to mean the Guru was intending to say that both Hindus and Muhammadans had forgotten the precepts of their religions. Others have thought that Guru Nanak was pointing out that the Hindu and Muslim religions were beliefs begun by men and their differences were only in their words and there beliefs; that all men were brothers who only imagined divisions. Brothers who were all created by one creator God and that everything and all things were of his creation.”
https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/There_is_no_Hindu_and_no_Musalman
Note: huh, imagine that, Nanak’s first public words after”enlightenment” didn’t contain mention of any inner lights or sounds, but rather humanity’s indivisible connection to one another!
There’s a part of me that wants to emphasise the implicitly colonial attitude of western audiences towards eastern spirituality and mystics, but it’s hard to make the point too strongly when the Indian guru of the largest Radhasoami organisation in history is this guy:
https://www.ibtimes.co.in/malvinder-singh-alleges-death-threat-sues-brother-shivinder-radha-soami-satsang-head-792157
Ffs.
🤦🏽‍♂️

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/7/7/gaza-toddler-with-shrapnel-in-brain-fights-for-life-after-family-killed
“Gaza toddler with shrapnel in brain fights for life after family killed
Amr al-Hams is also severely malnourished as his aunt feeds him mashed lentils due to Israeli blockade on fortified milk.”
“Israeli blockade on fortified milk”:
“Doctors say Israel is blocking deliveries of formula urgently needed as mothers are either dead or too malnourished to feed their babies”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/05/theyre-skin-and-bones-doctors-in-gaza-warn-babies-at-risk-of-death-from-lack-of-formula
It is mind blowing to me that people can at absolute best just shrug and say “that’s not nice”, then continue with their complicity whilst they discuss matters of spirituality and moral decency (at worst, they excuse or even endorse this transparent barbarity and genocide, like the pseudo intellectual and outright fraudulent “spiritual sage” Sam Harris, who history will absolutely no doubt label as an absolute scumbag because he himself left the evidence of it: https://www.samharris.org/blog/5-myths-about-israel-and-the-war-in-gaza).
What isn’t so mind blowing to me, is why all these folks following a so call spiritual path or search have been such spectacular failures at it.
I’m now 47 years old, I often wonder why I managed to achieve more than I ever dreamt was possible in this sphere but so many others struggle.
But then you notice in 25 odd years on RS forums that nobody ever….EVER….discusses the very, very basics of the path; compassion, empathy, tolerance, service (of humanity or other living beings, not free labour for your religious group), aversion to money, aversion to sexual impropriety of any sort, aversion to vanity and pride, wanting power or to be recognised etc etc.
Instead of these things being discussed, we have more discussions with so called spiritual folk coming up with wild excuses and justifications for why their guru’s obscene wealth is fine because all the persuasive evidence that it was gained through illegal crime hasn’t yet been proven in a court of law!
This is so many degrees removed from anything approaching authentic spirituality it’s insane!
I think my point is, I really don’t think it is that difficult to attain more than you could ever have imagined on the spiritual path…I don’t think I’m so special…. but the very most basic steps need to be walked first, and they ALL relate to our character and behaviour in life. Love is the vehicle here, not desire for bliss, power, money, fame or recognition. Not shabd, either.
The sacrifice must be complete, but the rewards are exponentially greater, imo.
It is clear to me all these failures are because they bypassed the reduction of ego phase, and went straight to desiring to surf astral planes, seeking bliss, miracles and recognition etc.

I know over at the RSS forum folks used to like to repost posts they’d written previously, sometimes year’s before….. it’s very important stuff we’re doing here, see (it’s just an illusion that pragmatically speaking, writing a half decent post with some originality to it, on either of the 2 main RS forums, is the modern equivalent of writing a Tibetan Buddhist Terma and then burying it in a massive pile of shit, hoping that in 200 years a genuine seeker will discover it! 😁) !
Retro posts I think they called them?
Well here’s my retro post. Who remembers this lovely story from early November 2023?:
https://youtu.be/k6jndMLmGJA?si=8PYvh6UuPWDHvuUl
Good times!

https://youtu.be/HRpfkyAWf5s?si=YxyiHHF4SPH9wUac
Uncomfortable truths for the Democrat Party?
The good news is, change comes. Slowly, but it comes.
The problem is, that’s also the bad news for Palestinians being slaughtered right now.

And for those who didn’t understand what I thought was quite a simple point last year and got befuddled and disheveled instead, and still haven’t quite caught up to collect reality, here’s a lesson on what MORAL INTEGRITY can do.
If Kamala won the election, then genocide is validated by the electorate and there is no recourse to a non genocidal party. The Dems and Kamala would have continued their genocide unabated and unapologetically like they did do for 15 months.
Instead, they lost…… forcing the Dems to change or die as an irrelevant party. Zohran Mamdani is an example of what ignoring big money, Zionist lobbies and mainstream media and instead ACTUALLY representing the will of the people can do.
None of this could have occurred if the electorate validated or excused 13 months of barbarity and genocide.
And none of this would needed to have occurred if the Dems weren’t run by Zionist puppets and they put an end to funding, arming and politically shielding a genocide well before the election even occurred.
But, of course, it’s my fault, Trump’s fault, no free will, blah, confused blah, blah.

https://groups.io/g/RadhasoamiStudies/message/216668
I’m loving it, the retirement package is great, see y’all folks on the other side!

Woo is where the Heart is 💗

Has anyone noticed that WOO is OOM 🕉️ upside down?
God I Love you, woo.
https://youtu.be/9Z-Ch50_Qj8?si=zRGUl9L67YKiqkI-

The poor, wretched man, starved of Woo for a lifetime, looks to the table on his right hand side and sees a fellow gorging themself on an abundance of Woo…. the succulent juices of ontological awe & meaning dripping from their mouth as they feast.
“Phhht”, says the poor wretched man starved of Woo for what seemed like eternity, “that’s just Woo, who needs Woo except savages”, says his mouth even as his eyes can’t help but salivate at all the abundant Woo on display!
The irony is, it was only pride and ego which prevented the poor, wretched man from sharing and feasting on the Woo that his words betrayed that he so clearly craved, existentially, ontologically.
Woo is abundant and inexhaustible, after all…. we’re literally drowning in it!
But still the poor, bankrupt, wretched, starving man insists on exclusively looking at their own, tiny, empty plate, demanding Woo be served to him on what they with delusion imagine to be a silver platter, rather than lowering the head and with humility looking to the right like the beggar they truly are.
Ego is a vicious mistress.
And Woo Envy is her poison.

“https://groups.io/g/RadhasoamiStudies/message/216668
I’m loving it, the retirement package is great, see y’all folks on the other side!”
Okay, it was fun for a few hours.
But I’m bored now.
Just what is a retired Godman, Perfect Living Master, the Divine made fully manifest in the one physical body in the entire multiverse able to liberate suffering humanity, supposed to do?
Jigsaw puzzles? No! I know where all the pieces are before I’ve even opened the box you simple minded mortal fool!
Golf? No! As Pooran Sant Satguru Trump surely also knows, there’s only a certain amount of par 5 hole on ones one can hit before tedium sets in, you simple minded mortal fool!
AHH, I know, I’ll troll Brian’s blog, there’s duck all else going on there!
I mean for Agam’s sake, the “Satguru” from the largest RS group in history has RESIGNED, and nobody appears to give 💩💩
RESIGNED!!!!
Have some respect and pay more attention to me and this shambles of a situation, you simple minded mortal fools!
At least make some sort of silly shit up, like this is a reflection of Shams Tabrizi’s relationship to Rumi, or some other laughably absurd shit!
But please, whatever you do, don’t forget about me….. Like all the dead and forgotten Gods of yore, I need your attention, any attention, to exist….else I shall fade away into insignificance and non existence, like ghosts of satsangs past…. like the ideal of Radhasoami and Satgurus in the 21st century.
RIP to Baba Me Ji.
RIP to RSSB.
RIP to “Sant Mat”.
We had a blast.

Well, if my physical form can’t be arsed, why the hell should I be arsed, I’m doing all the heavy lifting here!
I’m going offline.
Sorry folks, please seek a new Radiant Form Service Provider.

https://youtu.be/3rZpYdwbZfs?si=btC1jLy_uC8Yvp5Z
Wow.
I genuinely had no idea Sam Harris was Jewish!
I mean, I think God has protected my mind from the virus of this genocidal apologist’s mind-stream……I have literally read at least 2 of Sam’s book, including his first one, and have been listening to people bang on about him for decades…….and I straight up, hand on heart, can’t remember a single word this publicity and attention seeking genocide apologist has ever said…..It genuinely even surprises me that I can’t recall a thing, really. My memory is simply not that bad, it’s like there’s a blank space where his vile philosophising should be. Pretty much summed up in my mind with the last book of his I read, that high school level philosophising pamphlet on free will or whatever, which I summed up as deeply unoriginal and grounded in very shaky logic.
The only thing I associate Sam with is publicity seeking, racism and genocide apologism, but each to their own.
Anyway, kind of demonstrating how little I care about race or rellgion, presumably Sam must have mentioned he’s Jewish in one of his books on religion? But regardless, somebody being Jewish or not, at least back then, was of so little consequence or meaning to me that I promptly forgot about it completely!
Anyway, I guess the “good” news is I view Sam Harris and his contemptible, genocidal, incoherent, irrational, a-historical, racist, hypocritical etc etc views on Palestine and Muslims in ever so slightly less disgust.
At least I can no understand his PLAINLY TRIBAL reasons for being such a fucking piece of shit with zero moral integrity, decency or humanity.
It’s perhaps not just pure “evil”, as I’ve considered his views for many years now…..I can at least see tribal and ego-centric roots of his extremely hateful ideology which is grounded in plainly obvious lies and a perpetual imagined sense of victimhood (even whilst slaughtering children in their thousands, always the victim).
So I guess this is sort of a mea culpa post.
Sam Harris is an absolute fraud of “spiritual person”, and his providing the illusion of intellectual validity to the plainly barbaric, unjust and inhumane is a truly disgusting and abhorrent thing – a REAL scumbag.
But he’s not quite Satan himself, there are understandable “cause and effect” roots for his current state of irrationality & barbarity.
He’s just a lovable inveterate scumbag!

Btw, wow.
Just wow.
At the ghastly fact that probably thousands of people had some sort of Sam Harris app whilst he whispered sweet nothings into their ears in guided “meditation” (including, I believe, our esteemed blog host).
Wow.
The philosophical arm of the Zionist genocidal death cult whispering sweet nothings into your ears whilst you fall into trance, and at your own request…. and for all I know, he probably charged you for the pleasure too!
Are we still surprised at our spiritual failures yet?
Wow, horrific. Just horrific!
Wow

Spiritual Bullshit Detector – special deluxe Sam Harris edition: this can root out even the most softly and gentle spoken of spiritual frauds!
We are currently working on our Jagdeep Singh version, but we don’t yet have powerful enough technology to detangle and defangle the human mind from this powerful virus!:
https://groups.io/g/RadhasoamiStudies/message/216670

Seriously though, if RSSB placed a potato on the gaddhi, how long do you think it would take before people started comparing it Shams Tabrizi, saying it gave powerful darshan and was the most accomplished Sant Satguru of the past 200 years?
I’d give it 23 seconds.
😁😘

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When the disciple is ready, the Master disappears.

“When the disciple is ready, the Master disappears.”
~ Nobody
Best comment of 2025 so far!
Works on multiple levels.
Bravo.

Guru Bhakti – an aphrodisiac for spirituality.
The initial, intoxicating courtship…

And then?
Anybody?

Huzur spoke today at Petaluma. Such a magnetic, gentle, thoughtful and affirming Guru!! This is a very exciting time indeed!
When answering a question about others who don’t understand he said that to have a conversation where everyone understands each other is what we all want and most important. And to have that conversation we can start by being a little more observant, and work to understand the other person’s point of view, and to think about it for a bit first.
A gentle, wise, brilliant and affirming.
Baba Ji was also there, strong and powerful as allways.

https://youtu.be/5iisnH0nCk8?si=HJAdLLZXjIpcbRYK

https://www.euronews.com/2025/07/17/an-average-of-28-children-die-daily-in-gaza-unicef-tells-security-council
The West has sacrificed more than 1 child per hour for more than 600 days in their blood thirsty ritual for power and greed.
These are our democratically elected governments.
I just thank God it isn’t Russia, Muslims or other assorted “coloured” folks committing this unrestrained barbarism.
THAT would just be evil, wouldn’t it?

Tldr:
You guys are geniuses, I dunno I’m just lost in love

Oh jeez, I missed this gem!:
Spence wrote, using words: “Huzur spoke today at Petaluma. Such a magnetic, gentle, thoughtful and affirming Guru!! This is a very exciting time indeed!” & “Baba Ji was also there, strong and powerful as allways.”
Oh my! We are so blessed to live in such exciting spiritual times!
Luckily, having fully paid membership with AkashicRecords.com, no corner of our simulated reality is without access….as long as you’ve got a data connection! So, I can share with you here the digital format of Spence’s message, which is how this message will be stored and “remembered” for eternity. You’re welcome!:
https://youtu.be/MjoMQJf5vKI?si=ubJPnv8vFwI5Jud4
I don’t see why they don’t just pick another 3 or 4 other softly spoken members of this obscenely rich RSSB family lineage of “Sants”, right off the production line (though they seem to have their production lines a bit mixed up, all these”Sants” are coming off the businessman assembly line…..but you make do with what you got, ey!) and get them popping off their “Satsangs” left, right and centre, so their students can just lap up all that delicious spiritual bypassing and other assorted vacuous bullshit they call “mysticism”, in every corner of the world! (The world does have corners, right?).
It’s all fun and games until the lights are turned off, isn’t it?
By which I mean to say, when and where the rubber meets the road, it BURNS, doesn’t it?
🤔

1948: “Nazi sympathiser”
2025: “Zionist sympathiser”
Time can play such tricks on us, can’t it?
“If you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you”
Friedrich Nietzsche’s ~ Beyond Good and Evil
https://youtu.be/OUANGnyncPc?si=jE_kLH3Tdxs4y1st

Gaza is “almost like a religious experience”
https://youtube.com/shorts/6q_tNsUM-Gs?si=nyUHIxf8JJ9N81kJ
For those who know how to surf reality, it sure should be.
It certainly reveals those who have a heart, and those who don’t.

Western democracy and civilisation, in full effect:
https://youtube.com/shorts/ZINe-OS6LWw?si=E-YJcBtMt1y04mTC

““I think every human being has to ask himself: what do you do in the face of genocide?””
““It couldn’t happen without the support of the western world,” Novak said. “Any leader that is not doing whatever they can to stop it is part of this horror.””
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-say-israel-based-human-rights-groups

Bernardo Kastrup Vs Christof Koch
https://youtu.be/qzwC7sXyhWQ?si=1OYD2KUXg7erE3c4
I’m only 33 minutes into this 2 hour discussion, but this is absolutely essential listening for anybody claiming to have a sincere, intelligent and open minded interest in the subject matter of this blog; materialism, idealism, consciousness, the self construct, inner experiences, psychedelics, NDEs etc.
An absolutely sublime discussion with one of the most smartest and respected of, dare I now declare unequivocally, FORMER reductionist materialists, Koch, and the absolutely brilliant idealism philosopher Kastrup.
This video will unravel the decades of Brian’s reductive materialist beliefs, false canards etc shared on this blog in just 2 hours.
Only the intellectually honest need apply.

Bernardo Kastrup Vs Christof Koch
https://youtu.be/qzwC7sXyhWQ?si=1OYD2KUXg7erE3c4
Okay I’ve just finished watching this.
My above praise did not do this justice.
Absolutely brilliant and essential.
I love both these guys and their genuine and authentic humanity, honesty, integrity, curiosity, open mindedness and more.
Hits every single base of what is discussed here.
Bonus points for the mention of psilocybin induced “shabd” or inner sound experience, and the suffering of a child in Gaza.
Just a brilliant discussion with brilliant human beings.

And there’s more….
https://youtu.be/4bDExH6gf8M?si=H6VjeIXL0ESS2yPL
Christof Koch is one of the world’s leading experts in the study of consciousness. He was the President and Chief Scientist at the Allen Institute for Brain Science, now Meritorious Investigator. He is also the Chief Scientist of the Tiny Blue Dot Foundation in Santa Monica. Christof has over 350 scientific papers and has written six books including Consciousness: Confessions of a Romantic Reductionist, The Feeling of Life Itself, and Then I am Myself the World.
Christof joins Yash to discuss consciousness, 5-MeO-DMT, the illusion of the self, integrated information theory, idealism, free will, and vegetarianism.
Timestamps:
00:00 What is consciousness?
07:08 Illusionism
14:23 Psychedelics and the illusion of the self
29:56 Idealism
38:31 Integrated Information Theory
1:03:01 Free Will
1:32:09 Vegetarianism

Oh my!
The hukam has been received!
It’s been a blast, God bless you all!
😘

Self note:
Quantum mechanics photon
Emerges from non existent
Mind self knot
Done in I