If, like me, you're fascinated by quantum mechanics (or quantum physics, two words for same thing), you'll love an article that features an interview with theoretical physicist Gerard 't Hooft in the July/August 2025 issue of Scientific American, "Quantum Physics Is Nonsense."
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t' Hooft earned the 1999 Nobel Prize in Physics and recently won a Special Breakthrough Prize in Fundamental Physics worth $3 million in recognition of his many contributions to physics throughout his career. So his views deserve serious consideration, even though — or because — what he said in the interview is a minority perspective on quantum mechanics.
For whereas the quantum realm has a well-deserved reputation for being mysterious, even a bit other-worldly, owing in part to the probabilistic nature of quantum phenomena that is at odds with the determinism evident in the everyday world, t' Hooft believes that further progress in quantum mechanics needs to be founded on a view that returns to the deterministic perspective that prevailed before the advent of quantum theory.
As you can read in this Google AI overview of the article, 't Hooft also takes issue with superposition in quantum mechanics. That's the notion that often is popularized as a cat being both alive and dead before a box containing the cat is opened and it is known whether a random emission of a radioactive particle occurred that would kill the cat.
I liked the interview of 't Hooft because he isn't afraid to express a minority view about quantum mechanics. Of course, that's easier to do when you've had such a distinguished physics career. I have no idea if his view will turn out to be correct. But I like his style. Here's some quotations from the interview that I found particularly interesting from a quasi-philosophical perspective.
Many people continue to think the same way—and the way people now try to introduce new theories doesn’t seem to work as well. We have lots of new theories about quantum gravity, about statistical physics, about the universe and cosmology, but they’re not really “new” in their basic structure. People don’t seem to want to make the daring new steps that I think are really necessary.
…I think we have to start thinking in a different way. And I have always had the attitude that I was thinking in a different way. Particularly in the 1970s, there was a very efficient way of making further progress: think differently than your friends, and then you find something new!
I think that is still true. Now, however, I’m getting old and am no longer getting brilliant new ideas every week. But in principle, there are ways—in, one could argue, quantum mechanics, cosmology, biology—that are not the conventional ways of looking at things. And to my mind, people think in ways that are not novel enough.
…My way of thinking about the world, about physics, about the other disciplines related to physics is that everything should be much more logical, much more direct, much more “down to Earth.”
Many people who write papers on quantum mechanics like to keep some sense of mysticism about it, as if there’s something strange, almost religious, about the subject. I think that’s totally false.
Quantum mechanics is based on a mathematical method used to describe very ordinary physical effects. I think the physical world itself is a very ordinary one that is completely classical. But in this completely classical world, there are still too many things that we don’t know today; there are steps we’re basically missing on our path to deeper understanding.
…The Standard Model is based on quantum mechanics, and quantum mechanics tells you what happens when particles approach one another and scatter. But they can scatter in many different ways; they have a large number of choices about it, and the Standard Model doesn’t give any sound prediction there. It gives you only statistics.
The Standard Model is a fantastic theory that handles the statistics of what things are doing. But the theory never tells you with infinite precision which choice nature makes; it tells you only that these different possibilities are there at a certain probability amplitude. That is the world as we know it. That’s how we know how to phrase the laws of nature. But it’s not the laws of nature themselves.
…What you just said, that the questions are beyond our reach, is exactly what people said a decade and a century and a millennium ago. And of course, that was the wrong answer each time. We can answer these questions, but doing so requires lots and lots of science. Before Maxwell, nobody understood how exactly electric and magnetic fields hang together, and they thought, “Oh, this is impossible to find out because it’s weird!”
But then Maxwell said, no, you just need this one term, and then it all straightens out! And now we understand exactly what electric and magnetic interactions do. It’s simply not correct that you cannot answer such questions. You can, but you have to start from the beginning, like I said about quantum mechanics.
If you believe right from the beginning that quantum mechanics is a theory that gives you only statistical answers and never anything better than that, then I think you’re on the wrong track. And people refuse to drop the idea that quantum mechanics is some strange kind of supernatural feature of the particles that we will never understand.
No! We will understand, but we need to step backward first, and that’s always my message in science in general: before you understand something, just take a few steps back. Maybe you have to make a big march back, all the way back to the beginning.
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Thanks for linking the article, Brian, loved reading it and your post as well! And also the other interview of Hooft’s, the link to which is embedded within this article.
And thanks also for introducing us to Hooft. Very ignorant of me, I know, but this is the first I’m hearing of the man and of his work, despite his Nobel, and despite his very many other awards.
What he says makes a great deal of sense. I mean, of course it does, it is how common sense would tell us things work! I suppose Hooft’s work — or at least, not so much his work itself, but more his ideas about which directions further work should take — would be an instance of what’s known as the missing-variables interpretation (which I myself know little about, beyond just the name and what it refers to, is all). Very cool.
And absolutely, although Schrodinger’s cat is so very mainstreamed as to have become a cliché, but we do tend to forget that he’d originally proposed his thought experiment as actually an argumentum ad absurdum! …It’s great, Hooft’s view, Hooft’s impetus, back to a saner, “classical” world, even at the teensy-tiny scale.
…But still, let’s not allow our bias towards a more agreeable-with-our-intuition understanding of the nano-world get us to prematurely root for this particular interpretation, given that apparently it’s definitely a minority view, so far. As you rightly point out, Brian.
…And also: it was cool to know — I myself had not known this — that it was Hooft who worked on the holographic principle, on which is based the whole universe-is-a-simulation idea. Except, as both Hooft and his interviewer make fully clear, while Hooft’s work is bona fide hardcore science, but simulation theory is, it seems basis what he says, no more than just speculation, at least so far.
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It was a treat, reading both of these interviews, and getting to know about Hooft’s work and his ideas. Thanks again!
The hairs on the body are numbered but what about the body in the air . Gurinder doesn’t believe in predestination. He says sometimes we choose right sometimes we choose wrong. I don’t know why he continually chooses wrong though.
Another thing that Babaji said which was totally off the mark but was said before he got caught embezzling from a pharmaceutical company was ” if we don’t think it’s wrong then it isn’t wrong ” . I’m sure Trump and Epstein didn’t think it was wrong either. Anyway I’m going to wait for more bones to pick.
BTW
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T’Hooft makes an excellent point that the statistics within quantum mechanics gives us probabilities but never certainties. He argues this is not a reflection of an uncertain universe, but the result of making mathematical projections into spaces we can’t measure fully.
This is the problem in the heart of the word random. People think that random is a physical reality. It isn’t. Nothing is random. But it is a mathematical way to help accept a level of variation in significant results because we can’t measure nor control nor account for all variables.
The more we can measure, the smaller “random” variation becomes.
Super positioning falls into the same category as random. It’s a probabilistic way of dealing with a part of reality we can’t fully measure or control.
That part of reality is astounding and as it comes to light its interconnections over vast distances, like gravity and electromagnetism, we’ll be amazing discoveries.
We may have to redefine distance itself at some point.
All good.
The other issue T, Hooft indirectly alludes to is calculations that depend upon a single, fixed ratio scale of time.
Depending upon location, time and causality may appear to move at different rates, even backwards.
But this is simply the need for a more robust accounting for time within different defineable spaces that are different over great distances.
The same passage of time used to measure cause and effect of particles of matter influenced by local gravity may by, in exactly the same location, an entirely different scale and direction of time from fields of energy that are not influenced by matter at all, but by other fields of energy.
It doesn’t mean time doesn’t work in one direction. It just means that the dimension of time used to calculate cause and effect may be a bit more complicated depending upon what is being measured. On a relative basis from a different point of measurement time may run backwards even though within its own arena it moves predictably forward.