Reality always has the last word

“So, if all of human thought, language, beliefs, and concepts were to fall silent, what remained after the last word passed into nothingness would be the really real reality that doesn’t require thought, language, beliefs, and concepts to maintain its existence.”
Very true; we do tend to view the real world through the dark glasses of our thoughts and concepts. It’s an ingrained habit of ours to be continually thinking and evaluating to the extent of not seeing (perceiving) the real natural world around us. Trees, birds, flowers, people, traffic etc. are barely noticed where the mind is occupied with thoughts, and concepts. Nothing wrong with thoughts and concepts, it’s just that we don’t always have to identify with them all the time.
Even when we look at a flower thought will often overlay it with beliefs, prejudices and emotions. J. Krishnamurti was a great one for ‘just observing – no observer or observed’. Adding that-: “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” And Zen teacher S. Hagen states: – “Reality is actually very familiar to all of us. It’s only because we’re so easily and continuously caught up in our thoughts and conceptual habits that we miss it.”
We often look at life and the world about us and posit a mystery. It is only through thought that we suffuse it with mystery. Hagen again: – “There’s no mystery. Reality is clear and obvious. If you pay careful attention to your actual experience, this is what you’ll find. There’s truly no ultimate mystery at all, until we grasp.” (By grasping he is referring to our habit of making something out of it – which is not inherent in tree.)
Chan/Zen sums it all up succinctly: – ‘One of the main points in is to realize that the world that we experience directly, and the world that we ‘think’ we see with our conceptual mind are two different things.’

“But my favorite adage about reality is Philip K. Dick’s Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”
Mine as well! Absolutely, that’s a cool pithy and actually very profound observation — even if, at first glance, it appears banal and obvious. …And, even though I’ve been quite a fan of Philip K Dick’s from way before I found my way here, but this quote of his, while I may well have read it in one of his books, but it is here, from your articles, Brian, that I first …well, actually took note of it. (I still don’t know/remember which book of his it’s from!)
Of course, some woo types might contest this. Certainly some theists, because if there’s a powerful God prowling around, then our thoughts and prayers might move this powerful being to change reality in response to those prayers, which prayers are predicated on our belief. Also, I guess, the “The Secret” types, that subscribe to magical thinking, of the wish fulfillment kind. These would disagree.
While they’d disagree, but, as you say:
“Reality always has the last word.”
Amen to that!

Brian: “But my favorite adage about reality is Philip K. Dick’s Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away”.
Isn’t it amazing how often we unwittingly suckle at the teat of of Woo?
This is the “reality” P K Dick experienced which caused him to ponder so deeply and come up with such gems that clearly still enthral decades later those who imagine reality to merely be located under their bedsheets.
The Warriors of Anti-Woo have absolutely no comprehension, on any level whatsoever, the nature of the “reality” PKD was experiencing.
They cannot understand what PKD Actually meant with this line, translated somewhat more explicitly for them as they clearly don’t understand the context of PKD’s life, experiences and thought, is this:
“”Woo is that, which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away”
BINGO!
Having read several biographies, the semi-autobiographical Valis Trilogy and multiple commentaries on PKD, I can assure you, I’m the relatively sane one out of the two of us 😱:
https://www.burningshore.com/p/pkds-divine-interference
https://youtu.be/7rEKCx9K5V8?si=lVKT3d4vFfbOQAIq
https://youtu.be/uhUJSX_VACc?si=FMUVe5DHYLnNwPHh
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Philip-K-Dick-Remembered/dp/1782122427
https://youtu.be/xQH8W8gcaW4?si=E_bv3QxiWAAfacXu
https://www.bernardokastrup.com/2016/01/philip-k-dick-and-symbolic-world.html
https://youtu.be/-cm7V18QF7A?si=mYDLQoww8R0WRnym
https://emotionsblog.history.qmul.ac.uk/2014/02/jeff-kripal-on-the-mystical-humanities/
“I am Woobik. Before the universe was, I am. I made the suns. I made the worlds. I created the lives and the places they inhabit; I move them here, I put them there. They go as I say, then do as I tell them. I am the word and my name is never spoken, the name which no one knows. I am called Woobik, but that is not my name. I am. I shall always be.”
Woobik ~ PK Dick

“I’m happier now living in reality that doesn’t require constant believing to keep it afloat.”
Claiming atheism as cosmic “reality” is presumptuous because it assumes complete understanding of the universe’s nature, which remains elusive. Human knowledge is limited—science explains much, like the Big Bang, but mysteries persist, such as dark energy’s nature (68% of the universe) or consciousness’s origins. Atheism, a lack of belief in deities, is a rational stance based on current evidence, but it’s not a proven fact. Other views, like theism or panpsychism, remain plausible given gaps in our understanding. Historically, confident claims about “reality” (e.g., Newtonian physics) were overturned, suggesting caution. Human perception, shaped by biology and culture, may miss unquantifiable aspects of existence, like spiritual experiences reported globally. Asserting atheism as truth requires proving no deities exist, a logical challenge without omniscient knowledge. Agnosticism or open inquiry better respects cosmic complexity. Declaring any belief as “reality” oversteps our current grasp, and humility in the face of the unknown is more defensible than dogmatic certainty.

https://philipdick.com/resources/miscellaneous/the-religious-experience-of-philip-k-dick-by-r-crumb-from-weirdo-17/
For those who prefer pretty pictures!

Here is PK Dick himself discussing this phrase:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080125030037/http://deoxy.org/pkd_how2build.htm
Enjoy Warriors of Anti-Woo 😁

Huh. Fool’s errand to engage with this deliberate disingenuousness and misdirection, best to simply ignore such, but what the heck.
1. It was good to know about Philip K Dick’s personal demons. I had not known. Sure, it throws light on a man whose works I’ve enjoyed, and quite of few of which I own. …That said, that adage, it stands, regardless of PKD’s personal situation. …As for PKD himself, he apparently abused drugs, and apparently wasn’t of sound mental health (as I found, when I looked it up just now), which probably explains his odd visions and ideas (that he apparently held seriously, and not merely as plot ideas).
In any case, like I said: the adage, it stands, regardless of the man’s personal situation. It’s a perfectly cromulent motto.
If anything, PKD’s personal history of drug abuse and neural/mental disorder throws up an interesting nuance about how those afflicted with such might approach this. …That approach, incidentally, I had delineated, briefly but I believe satisfactorily, in my comment in the previous thread. It fully covers what those whose apparent reality is atypical, might reasonably do with their atypicality.
2. No, atheism does not presume, nor require, complete understanding of the nature of the universe. And no, nor does atheism require proving no deities exist.
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I know I’m wasting my breath. But what the hell, having typed this out on an impulse, I’ll just press Post anyway, rather than delete this out.

But credit where it is due: I enjoyed reading how that adage actually came about, how PKD happened to formulate it! I absolutely hadn’t known that — I imagined it must have been a quote from one of his sci fi novels (probably the one with the crossword puzzles, I was thinking in my mind). Well, apparently not. That was …very interestesting!
Nevertheless, what I said above. And what I said above should have been obvious to anyone that isn’t lacking in wits or honesty: and if it hasn’t been so far, then it should now, now that I’ve spelled it out all over again. Assuming a paucity of wits does not get in the way of understanding, or a paucity of sincere intent does not impede acknowledgement upfront.

The same shallow argument for atheism keeps getting made here, over and over again, and always with the triumphalist but wholly unfounded claim that atheism is “reality.”
You can tell how weak an argument is when the person making it concludes for you that his view of things isn’t merely his view, but is “reality” itself.
The argument gets even weaker when that person spends a sizable chunk of his free time reading quasi-religious books and apps, obviously in an attempt to fulfill his need for a metaphysics he can believe in, a belief system that will give him comfort. One day it’s Zen, then it’s hard determinism, then it’s chanting the Buddhist Pure Land mantra Namu Amida Butsu. Call all of that atheist, or non-spiritual, but it’s still plainly symptomatic of a quest to find meaning in life.
One person chants Jot Niranjan, etc because it helps foster mental harmony. I fail to see how giving up one simran for another does anything to help your argument. From where I stand it seems to do the exact opposite.
Someone recently said that the problem with atheism is that it’s less a coherent philosophy than it is a mood. That may be a gross overstatement; on the other hand, I don’t think it’s entirely wrong. I think sometimes the claim of atheism is a front for other issues that never get brought up. For the sake of understanding why we embraced religion in the first place, and why we can’t let it go now. Among other things.
Other things such as this: If religion were a categorical evil for humanity, I couldn’t defend it. But religion is not a categorical evil for humanity; its impact is complex, with both harmful and beneficial effects depending on context, interpretation, and application.
This is undeniable, and yet this blog and the one that preceded it refuse to even acknowledge this may be so. (That is what I mean when I say there’s something to the claim that atheism is more a mood than a coherent and balanced philosophy).
I suspect it has something to do with belief. For some reason, some people are grievously offended by anyone professing belief in God. Not offended by what such people may do in the name of God. They’re offended, revolted, and nauseated by the belief itself.
I find that curious.

I too like Philip Dick’s famous witticism, although one could indeed reverse it with “Your Own Awareness is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”

“the person making it concludes for you that his view of things isn’t merely his view, but is “reality” itself”
Strawman. The person hasn’t made that argument at all.
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“Call all of that atheist, or non-spiritual, but it’s still plainly symptomatic of a quest to find meaning in life”
A quest to find meaning in life is not inconsistent with atheism. The one has nothing to do with the other. With many, atheism is the outcome of that very search. …It is a lie, and a monstrous calumny, to implicitly claim that the theist has any higher calling to finding meaning in life than the atheist. If anything, it is the other way around. The theist is content with going through the motions of the search, and staying put with comfortable sounding cliches; it is the atheist that has the balls to take the search all the way through to the end.
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“Someone recently said that the problem with atheism is that it’s less a coherent philosophy than it is a mood. That may be a gross overstatement; on the other hand, I don’t think it’s entirely wrong.”
That someone was entirely mistaken. You think wrong.
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“I think sometimes the claim of atheism is a front for other issues that never get brought up. ”
Sure, sometimes theism can a front for other unstated issues, and sometimes atheism can be as well. That goes for any and every other philosophy and issue and cause. That does not speak to what the philosophy or issue or cause, whatever it might be, is actually about. Non sequitur, misdirection.
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” religion is not a categorical evil for humanity; its impact is complex, with both harmful and beneficial effects depending on context”
That’s an argument about anti-theism, not atheism. Anti-theism views religion not as unmixed evil, but a summation of good and bad that adds up on the evil side of the register. I happen to agree with the antitheistic argument as well, at any rate when we’re speaking for this day and age, and I kind of think Brian does as well: but in any case that’s a non sequitur, and a misdirection, when it comes to the question of atheism itself. As far as the question of atheism, that line of thinking is no more than a fallacious argumentum ad consequentiam.
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“For some reason, some people are grievously offended by anyone professing belief in God (…) I find that curious.”
While such may exist, I wouldn’t know, I don’t think such is the case here, at all. Someone professing to a belief in flat earth, or telepathy, or levitation, or faeries, or dragons, or God; and doing that in private, within their own private spaces and with their own private resources: that reasonably should offend no one, as long as no one is thereby harmed. What I find curious is why these strawmen keep getting put up like this.
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Haha, there I I go, compulsively engaging with what experience has repeatedly taught is no more than trolling. Ah well.

I too like Philip Dick’s famous witticism, although one could indeed reverse it with “Your Own Awareness is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”
Posted by: lovedick, the author | July 16, 2025 at 06:47 PM
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That’s a great comment! This is exactly the kind of discussion one used to love having, on here, sometimes in great detail, before the nature of most of those folks and their essentially disingenuous engagement eventually became painfully clear.
Agreed, that Descartes thing. PKD’s adage applies equally to awareness, and to a sense of self as well, without a shadow of a doubt. And yet we’re seeing those not to be objectively existing after all. Which indicates PKD’s witticism, as you describe it, is, sure, a witticism, and one that generally rams home most times: but it’s hardly a watertight definition of objective reality, but more of subjective reality, really.
Thinking about it briefly: As far as objective reality, it will let in false positives (certainly including a sense of self); and it will let also out, at the individual level, false negatives aplenty (abstractions that do not directly lend to falsifiability, especially at the personal individual level, but that it is nevertheless reasonable take to be true, as with a great many scientific truths, including such a basic thing as, for most of us, a heliocentric model of the earth and sun).
Enjoyed your brief comment, @lovedick (!). Both the comment itself, that adds a great nuance to one’s appreciation of PKD’s adage/witticism — without removing one’s appreciation of it, because for most everyday matters it still does work perfectly well. …And also as throwback to when we used to have these great discussions here, here in the Comments over and above Brian’s great posts themselves, about things exactly like this (before it became fully clear, the nature of the most of those commenters from back then, and the nature of their engagement, and therefore therefore the silliness of the whole exercise). Cool.

The thong I like about Brian’s posts is that they explore many avenues of reality. Writing comments can be an exercise in illuminating one’s thinking which once out in the open may be seen to be a series of fleeting dreams.
Here’s a few more pithy quotes I like: –
‘The natural world is a marvel in its own right; it doesn’t need any thought constructed ideas from us.’
‘Reality is not what you think.’
‘Life is not a problem to be solved, but a reality to be experienced.’ – Soren Kierkegaard
‘The more clearly, we can focus our attention on the wonders and realities of the universe about us, the less taste we shall have for destruction.’ – Rachel Carson.
‘Life is a journey between perception and reality.’
‘Life is really simple, but men insist on making it complicated.’ – Confucius

@ Ron. E.
>>’Life is really simple, but men insist on making it complicated.’ – Confucius<< I doubt if Confucius did say so, given what Lao Zi portrays him as a philosopher that makes things more complicated by prescribing all sorts of rule and order. I reied to find out if he might have said so ..In the QUORA comments there is one that has the same doubts. https://www.quora.com/What-is-meant-by-famous-saying-by-Confucius-Life-is-really-simple-but-we-insist-on-making-it-complicated-I-am-definitely-not-trying-to-make-my-life-complicated
PS
For all …. and in general …. the quote attributed to Einstein, further down that page, is more to the point and …. much funnier … the man must have been a coffee drinker.

@ Ron E.
Something went wrong
What is missing is:
Given how Zhuang Zi portraits Confucius in his Inner chapters, it is doubtful that Confucius ever said or could have said such an thing. He is the very embodiment of a man that tries to bring cultural order in natural chaos by imposing rules and thought-models upon life
In the given link there is an confucius adept that denies Confucius having said so

Hi um. Not too bothered who said what, I just like the quote. Also, I read it as life (or reality) is simple, until we overlay it with abstract thoughts, opinions, desires, beliefs etc
Similarly, Brian’s original quote of Dick’s works for me whatever others may think.

@ Ron
I understand and agree.

Throwing a bone here:
This Epstein thing? Trump has lost me forever. Finito.

SPIRITUAL LETTERS
It’s an RSSB book, a collection of letters Jaimal Singh wrote to Sawan Singh around the turn of the century.
I’ve read many RSSB books but never got around to Spiritual Letters until recently. I find it the most remarkable RSSB book I’ve ever read. Here’s why.
Jaimal comes across as earnest, encouraging, but also insufferably demanding. I imagine Sawan reached a point where he dreaded seeing another letter from Jaimal. Every letter starts out with Jaimal addressing Sawan as “my obedient son.” And Jaimal is always demanding something from Sawan, usually money. In fact, virtually every letter contains a demand for money. I have to wonder where the money Sawan was sending his guru came from, if not from his military salary? But perhaps these funds were taken from Sawan’s local sangha.
Jaimal constantly urges Sawan and related sangha members to meditate every day. The curious thing is that Jaimal never mentions the 2.5 hour a day dogma that’s a cornerstone of current RSSB teachings. But Jaimal does say that meditating a few minutes is all that’s necessary. “But for whatever time [meditation] is to be done, even if for just a quarter hour, it is as good as doing it for 24 hours.” (197)
How did RSSB get from 15 minutes of meditation as good as 24 hours, to demanding 2.5 hours of meditation a day?
The answer has to be Sawan Singh. 2.5 hours is something he came up with, but it’s not something his guru Jaimal taught.

@Sant64, …..you have been the Champion supporter of Trump on this forum among the rest of the 95% with TDS for years! I feel insulted also , for him calling his Base STUPID. That stung as bad as with Hilary called us DEPLORABLES . She never recovered from that single word. Trump has less to loose, because he remains in charge for the next 3.5 years, regardless . But being that there are so many possible theories about why he won’t allow the list to be released, including Epstein might still be alive and hidden away under Witness Protection, there could be other reasons including MOSSAD Blackmailing Trump for various reasons.
Here is a post from some one I don’t know , shared by a friend of mine .
“ Don’t ask how I know, just listen up. Something big is coming down the tracks.
John Solomon didn’t just speculate, he confirmed it. The DOJ and FBI have been quietly building a massive criminal conspiracy case against the Deep State. It covers the full window from 2016 to 2024. Targeting the sabotage of Trump from the very beginning.
Pam Bondi may be days away from naming a special prosecutor. That would allow indictments to be brought outside DC. Florida is in play. That changes the jury pool and the battlefield.
Here’s the part nobody in the media wants to touch,
The Epstein network is reportedly connected to this case. Not just for the island crimes, but because people linked to Epstein allegedly used blackmail and leverage to help drive the lawfare against Trump.
Some of those names are powerful and still active. If Trump drops the full list now, it could cause chaos and derail the entire case,
that’s why he’s holding it. Not to protect the guilty, but to protect the investigation.
And here’s the twist,
Matt Gaetz flew into DC this weekend, reportedly at Trump’s personal request. He skipped a major Turning Point event and instead took a private meeting with the President. Some insiders say Gaetz may be under consideration as a special prosecutor. That would be a lightning strike.
Trump, Bondi, and Gaetz are all playing roles behind the scenes. If this flips, it won’t just be payback. It’ll be exposure on a historic level.
Watch the next 14 to 21 days. If a special prosecutor is named and the indictments move to Florida, you’ll know this is the real deal.
They tried to destroy Trump with hoaxes, lawfare, and lies. Now the trap they set is springing on them.
Drain the Swamp isn’t just a phrase. It’s “

@ Jim S.
>> …… there could be other reasons including MOSSAD Blackmailing Trump for various reasons.<< What about the Russian secret service having incriminating material on your president?! He seems to hate war and the misery that goes with it and jet, although he has the intention and the power to intervene, he did not do anything to end the conflict in the ME and in EE. Instead of stopping Israel and Russia, he tried to use pressure on Hamas and Ukraine to surrender.

@um,….I, like most every body, don’t have the answers to what he does and says what he does. But he has been a hard act to follow by ANY past President, and so far, no one has been successful in silencing him, jailing him, taking all his money and properties, or killing him. Who should we believe on all the hundreds of podcasts of talking heads claiming to know all the secrets about Trump?
It’s easier for me to believe that President Macron’s Wife, Bridget, is a man, if we choose to believe Candace Owen’s research. Perhaps 777 will be able to access Gurinder and Charan’s Radiant Forms and get verification whether Bridget Macron is a female, or and old male Pedo.

@Sant64,…..FYI,……THE BIBLICAL TITHE
There are 24 hours in each day. So 24 hours divided by 10 = 2.4 hours , which is the Tithe of our time, is 2.4 hours of Meditation per day seeking God in your body on loan…His Temple, asking Him to open His Windows of Heaven. Jesus taught his disciples to seek the Kingdom within.
So here is the Biblical challenge of tithing , if we want God to open our Windows of Heaven,…INSIDE,….not out side, where all the physical world of insanity of sickness, wars, etc. rage on.
Our challenge is given in Malachi 3:8,9, 10:
‘Will a man rob God? Yet, you have robbed me, in tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse; for you have robbed me, even the whole nation. Bring all the tithes in to the Store House, that there might be food in my house, and prove me now, here with, saith the Lord of Hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”
If you have any real meditation experience, you KNOW that 10-15 minutes in meditation is about as worthless and boobs on a Nun or nuts on a Priest! Revisit my post on Meditation for Neophytes , and verify if ANY of the inner sign posts I have personally verified, many, many times, can be accessed by any one starting out on less than an hour, much less 10 to 15 minutes. It ain’t gonna happen.
As for money, there is either a book, or information by the Ruhani Kirpal SOS group, that was written by one of the female “Bibis” who was one of the 3 female Assistants to Sawan Singh. I remember years ago, reading through it all, and remember Sawan visiting all the many scattered Sanghats in the Hill Country, and collecting money from each of them, and bringing back SUIT CASES full of money to the Dera!
The moral of all stories has always been, and will continue,….if you want the real truth,…always,….FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Trump and Epstein were buddies, isn’t it obvious?
Casino Boss Claims He Confronted Trump for Showing Up With Epstein and a 19-Year-Old…
https://share.google/rHKxVCL0BboRzCNdl
Reported birthday card from Trump to Epstein shines new light on their friendship as fallout from files release mounts…
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-epstein-files-friendship-list-b2791282.html

Epstein files: there are now many Docs. about Epstein’s early years, as well as interviews by Tucker, Candice, and many others.
But for those curious minds who are not too lazy to deep dive in to doing their own research, instead of criticizing other’s work, with out knowing the facts about it, here is a Link to the free down loadable Book, that very well might be the origin of Epstein’s involvement with sex trafficking and black mailing powerful people.
https://archive.org/details/donaldbarrspacerelations
The Book is a Science fiction book, authored by Bush and Trump’s Ex Attorney General, Bill Barr’s Father, Donald Barr, who was the Head Master of a predacious private School, when Barr hired young Jeffery Epstein , who only had a High School education to teach Math in that School. So, Epstein’s early grooming very well could have been by the late Donald Barr, with Epstein bringing alive the Drama of Barr’s fictitious book.
For any one interested in the book, don’t wait long to grab it, because it’s going to get a lot more attention as more people become aware of the book.

Dear Sant64 – Kudos. My respect to you.
You’ve shown more character here than quite a few of us.

@ Jim Sutherland
Money is still coming in Dera but now not in suitcases it is via other means, shell companies…. Not sure when the Singh brother will case open again and This Baba GSD, his sons and other will see the real God’s justice
Presently it seems political pressure is not letting this case to move forward
Anyone has any update on this case please share…

What is Reality? Is it something which is Real?
Everyone has his/her own reality being projected into their consciousness by
Processing of inputs through their five senses.
If one of the senses shuts down, reality changes. for example reality for a
blind person will be different than experienced by normal person with eyes.
So it is as real as it can get for us.it also depends upon internal emotional wellness of us.A depressed person will see reality of world differently than a normal happy person.so question arises what we experience outside, is it really real? How can it be real if it changes with changing of our senses or emotions.
How does God fit into it.As soon as we utter the word God, no matter how much we avoid, our preconceived notion of God will take its place in our consciousness.We have already surrendered to this.
If I go with notion that I Am GOD, does it make any difference to reality around us.
As it turns out IT Does. You unburden the baggage of GOD.I AM the creator of reality around me.
Birth and Death are part of my reality.i don’t need God to contemplate on Birth and Death, as it is already part of my reality.I am responsible for my Birth and my Death.This shift in attitude marks the beginning of true spirituality.
Who Am I if I Am God? I know mySelf. All I know is my Self.contemplate on that and reside in that contemplation 24/7 and see how reality changes around you.What you thought to be real is nothing but illusion. Only Real is Self.see the convergence of outside into your self.
Only thing real is Self.
No God No problem.
And in that moment when you realise this, you will be able to see what’s beyond human perception.
Comments are welcome.

OK, Gang, Truthers? , Trump haters ?, or American haters,….Ex Democrat Tulsi Gabbard just dropped the Bomb that should take the attention off the Epstein Files for awile!
Who better to explain the biggest scandal in American History, and very possible Treason by the Obama Administration, then Gen. Flynn?
https://rumble.com/v6we568-flynn-other-names-that-have-never-been-exposed-nsa-fbi-cia-are-going-to-be-.html

Jim,
That’s just it, they’re working overtime to deflect from Epstein.
In the clip you posted, Flynn offered nothing but innuendo and isn’t credible to begin with. 1) He was a figure in the Russian influence campaign and plead guilty to his activity. 2) He’s beholden to Trump for a pardon over it and for his new post in the regime.
“Mr. Flynn, a retired lieutenant general and a national security adviser to Mr. Trump during his first term, was named to the oversight board of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, in New York. Mr. Flynn twice pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I. about his conversations with a Russian diplomat during a wider investigation into contacts between the first Trump presidential campaign and Russian officials. Mr. Trump later pardoned Mr. Flynn.”
Trump Appoints Michael Flynn, Walt Nauta and Other Allies to Oversee U.S. Military Academies – The New York Times….
https://share.google/sPrp7JE4cwzCrXEFd
Obama nothing. Trump is a liar, and when he’s done pulling the rug out from under the very folks who voted him in, they’re going to wish Obama was back!
Inside the Long Friendship Between Trump and Epstein…
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/19/us/politics/inside-trump-epstein-friendship.html