I'm gradually making my way through Scott Carney's The Enlightenment Trap: Obsession, Madness and Death on Diamond Mountain. (First blog post about the book is here.) The book is building up its tale of Buddhism gone bad by telling us about the history of the Buddhist student who dies and the Buddhist teacher who, I'm assuming, played a role in his death.
Along the way, Carney describes what Buddhism is all about. This is mostly familiar territory for me. But since I'm much more interested in the modern secular non-supernatural side of Buddhism than the traditional religious supernatural side, some of the descriptions of traditional Buddhism seem decidedly strange to me.
Well, they seem strange from my current atheist perspective. Back when I was a devoted member of an Eastern religion, Radha Soami Satsang Beas, whose teachings about karma and rebirth were roughly similar to traditional Buddhism, I accepted those teachings, provisionally at least. Heck, I even wrote a book on behalf of RSSB about the karmic rationale for vegetarianism, Life is Fair.
Michael Roach is the American Buddhist teacher introduced in the book's early chapters. Here's a passage from "The Acolyte" chapter.
Every perception depends on a karmic seed, and every action that a person takes plants new seeds that crack open at a later date. Planting and cracking open karmic seeds is the fuel that keeps the cosmos running in an eternal hamster wheel. One action begets another.
Okay. This makes some scientific sense. I have no problem with karma being viewed as complex chains of cause and effect. This is how the world works, deterministically, under the guidance of laws of nature. But this passage gets us into woo-woo land.
According to Roach, the physical world does not exist in the way most people think of it. What we experience in life is the cumulative result of all our previous actions combined with whatever intention we have. For Roach, karma is a force in the universe in the same way that magnetism is. Unlike the forces of nature, however, karma resides in the consciousness of living things.
Good deeds in the present beget good results in the future. Bad deeds equal bad results. So if your lover dumps you and breaks your heart, the karmic cause could have been that you hurt an animal in your last life. The karmic seeds of hurting the animal lay dormant until, for whatever reason, the ground was right to mature. Meanwhile, if you helped someone in a past life get a job, that seed might ripen into a good career in this one.
The goal of Buddhism, though, is to eliminate karma entirely: to clean the slate of all karmic seeds so that no action is determined by the past. Enlightenment means freedom from karma. No seeds means liberation from the straitjacket of prior actions. A person can become pure essence, where the mind would be as pure and hard as a flawless diamond.
Leaving aside the thorny question of how rebirth in accord with a person's karmic influences is compatible with the core Buddhist teaching of emptiness, where nothing, including us humans, possesses inherent unchanging existence, this conception of karma is dangerous in that it provides a rationale for blame (either self-blame or other-directed blame) when someone gets cancer or suffers some other calamity.
This supernatural view of karma means that the millions of Jews who were killed in the Nazi Holocaust deserved their fate, as did the millions of Blacks who were slaves in the American South. I find that view despicable. It always bothered me that Radha Soami Satsang Beas had a prohibition against blind people being initiated by the RSSB guru, because being born blind, or I assume going blind from a disease or accident, meant that the person's bad karmas were unduly heavy.
I also came across an interesting passage about root lamas in Buddhism (Tibetan Buddhism) that took the notion of trusting a spiritual teacher to a whole different level.
Christie studied with Roach for about nine months before Ian walked through the doors of the Three Jewels. It was enough time for her to contemplate the most important decision of her life. Would she ask Roach to be more than just her teacher? Would he be her root lama? In an interview in a Buddhist magazine, she described her decision this way:
Taking a root lama is a very serious [thing]. You have to believe that they're completely infallible and be willing to risk your life for them, offer your life to them, everything.
…In Tibetan Buddhism, taking a root lama creates a sort of indelible connection to a teacher that can't be erased by any sort of worldly action. The vows of obedience work on the spiritual plane and form a connection that persists in all future rebirths. It entails total submission to the will of another person, and complete trust that they will give you the tools you need to progress spiritually. From the moment she took the vows, Christie gave away control of her own life.
This also is a dangerous teaching. It is similar to how Radha Soami Satsang Beas taught that after a disciple was initiated by the RSSB guru, the guru would take control of their karmas and guarantee god-realization in a maximum of four lifetimes. Since no one is perfect or infallible, even though RSSB refers to their gurus as Perfect Living Masters, unconditionally trusting an imperfect being is a recipe for disaster.
Which, I'm pretty sure, is going to be borne out in the rest of the book as Michael Roach's imperfections become increasingly clear.
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I don’t believe that: – “The goal of Buddhism, though, is to eliminate karma entirely” Karma is supposed to mean action or cause and effect which is normal; it’s probably more to do with cultivating an awareness of how we habitually react to thoughts and situations. As I understand Karma, one’s actions, whether in thought or deed, being often confused and disharmonious, can cause an imbalanced and unhealthy view of life causing dissonance, pain, suffering and confusion – which is self-perpetuating – in this life.
By-passing the Indian view of karma which encompasses reincarnation, karma is logical in that many of our thoughts and actions are led by the ego, by the separate self and it is this unconscious and reactionary thinking and acting that causes us the most suffering and conflict – not just individually but on a world-wide scale.
I also think that much of our suffering is due to our desires to escape everyday life in some way. All the various religious and spiritual belief systems offer visions of unnatural worlds and states that effectively keep us in the hopes and fears of attaining such mind-made creations. Thinking, visualising and planning is fine (even some animals have the basic ability), but we have taken it to extremes through abstract thinking concocting beliefs and concepts that go against reality.
I just read a report that ‘a walk in nature is good for the brain’ – well, what a surprise! I do believe though that mostly we have lost our connection with nature – only mentally, physically or course we are intimately connected. The ego or self, being an isolating structure (the core of Karma) attempts to re-connect through various abstract thoughts and beliefs in an attempt to reconnect with life – which only has the effect of making us more separate through our conflicting belief systems.
@ readers
Dear readers I would like to put something before you, that “puzzels” me and might be seen as related to karma, cause and effect and the question of resposibility
It is about the relation between some activity done by A and the consequences it has on B
Here are some scripts:
[1] When an pilot is send out to bomb some place, he is following the orders. He gets in the plane, flies towards the target, pushes the button, drops the bomb and turns towards the basis, mission completed. Meanwhile he bomb explodes and a range of destruction occurs. All the while the pilot has no intent to inflict destruction but he has only his task at mind. What is his relation to the destruction?
[2] A man shares the bed with a partner outside his marriage. One his partner hears about it she feels hurt by it and decides to divorce. But arr the time the husband shared the bed with another women he was not thinking, i suppose about his marital partner, so there was no intend to hurt the partner. In how far is the partner resposible for the reaction of his wife? Feeling hust and wishing to divorce is just ONE of the many possible reactions.
[3] Speaking of Hitler and the fate of the European Hebrews. The nasi faced a problem in the fulfillment of their idealism, the European Hebrews. After having tried several solutions the came up with the idea of “the final solution” , the destruction of them. All involved were all, as turned out before the court in Neurenberg, doing their duties as chemist, staff officer etc there was no malicious intend.
Now think of Poll pot, Mao, Stalin and these days the Israeli Defense Army under direction of their president ..They all had no intend to harm anybody, they are were trying to make an ideal come to life.
[4] And writing about Hitler, if the parents of Hitler did no had intercourse and his mother had not given birth to him, nothing that has bee attributed to him would have occurred … are these parents by their action co-responsible for what their beloved child did?
[5] None of the scientist involved with the development and construction of the nucleair bombs thrown on two Japanese cities, were all involved with their science and had no intend to created what later was to be seen. Should they feel miserable about the outcome?
The list of examples is endless … we humans act and are responsible for our actions but how can they be responsible for the effect? You see they might be able to control their own actions, thoughts etc but they have no control over the reactivity of the surrounding world upon which they act ….
they throw a stone in the pont but did they cause the ripples
Please do not get lost in the details and/or the examples ..think of the may things that might have happened in your own life, that you are helt responsible for things you never intended to do yet happened after you did something
Hi Brian,
I think you bring up a good point about how some people are rejected for initiation based on their Karmas.
I was wondering if you or anyone could shed more light on blind people being rejected for initiation. Is this really the case? Do they reject all blind people, or have they ever been exceptions to this rule or practice?
It seems strange to me that physically blind people would be rejected for initiation, when the entire practice is based on opening the inner eye.
This point has really got me wondering about this.
May be a question to ask Baba-Ji or Hazur.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful post.
I keep trying to tell you in this age of Kali Yuga Sat Purush has extended a gradiny curve on perfectionism. He has extended a simpler method than the hundreds of years it took originally in the Golden age to achieve The Nameless Reg and he’s/ she’s also sent the bottom of the barrel gurus to attempt their miserable job. If you don’t want to be somewhere but you’re there anyway that’s karma.
Maybe I should add this to what I wrote before:
Many years ago when my dear friend was still around, I would keep him company when he had ro deliver their artisanal ceramics to this or that crematorium. I could so happen that one moment we were in the reality of people mourning a near and dear one and the next moment, passing through a door, entering the reality of commercial activities related to the same people.
Most if not all of the time people just function just in ONE reality only as described in in the other examples, to the complete un-awareness of the other, but sometimes that “border”” is lifted … THAT is what I pointed at …. that lifting of that veil, connecting two realities at the same time … is difficult to handle
Cause and effect um. No-one can know for sure the outcomes.
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Brian,
Are you certain that all blind people are refused initiation?
For some reason, I have doubts about this. I even checked with AI, and it said otherwise. That there is no official policy regarding blindness as a criteria for initiation rejection. It also mentioned that the blind and people with diminishing eyesight were given care and treatment at eye camps.
Here’s what I found on Chat GPT;
“Official Policy and Practice
1. No mention of blindness in eligibility criteria
The official guidelines for initiation (or “Naam Daan”) outline clear prerequisites related to age, lifestyle, dietary habits, moral conduct, and reading preparatory literature . There is no indication in these sources that physical disability—including blindness—is a disqualification.
2. Charity and care for the blind
On the contrary, RSSB’s history demonstrates compassion toward those suffering from blindness. Under Charan Singh’s leadership, the organization built and ran eye clinics and hospitals, particularly serving cataract patients and the poor, offering free medical care, including for the visually impaired .
This humanitarian outreach underscores that blind individuals are valued, cared for, and not excluded.
3. Emphasis on meditation, not physical ability
RSSB’s spiritual path focuses on Surat Shabd Yoga—inner meditation on sound and light—and doesn’t require physical vision. The process is inward-focused and doesn’t logically exclude those without sight .”
If anyone can shed more light on this matter, I’d be grateful.
For now, it seems to me that people with normal eyesight are commonly rejected for initiation as they have not met the criterias mentioned above.
So, I am assuming that it would be the same for the physically handicapped or blind. That some are accepted, whilst others are rejected (?)
@ Ron
Ot is not about rhe idea of cause and effect
If a person throws a stone in the pont, it causes rimples, but how doest his action and intention relate to the rimples?!!
Or
The performing artist, has his intentions etc in producing a piece of art but that gets lost when it is swallowed by the world of art consumers … is he resposible for what effect his work has on others??
@ Tej
Let me suggest you consult the index of the Q&A by the late MCS and make up your own mind.
Q 361 In “thus says te Master” page 346 You will find the answer
@ Tej
and … the spirit of the time has changed and so does the way how concepts etc are presented to the public at large. Many things that were openly said by the previous teachers would now cause upheaval and certainly in the circles of unbelievers.
hahaha … THAT …. that doesn’t say they have changed their mind … they did not … sant mat point this or that number is just nonsense,
Never forget tat Sant mat, its teachings are considered as not OF this world but IN this world and in order to reach out they will conform to the spirit of the time
Tej, I used Google to search for mentions of Charan Singh, the RSSB guru prior to Gurinder Singh, denying initiation to blind people. What popped up was a comment by Sonia on a 2020 blog post I wrote. Here’s a link to the post, along with Sonia’s comment. It seems decidedly unlikely that Sonia would recall something that I also recall if this wasn’t true, especially since I’m pretty sure I’d never mentioned this subject of the blind being rejected for initiation until yesterday, when I wrote this blog post.
https://churchofthechurchless.com/2020/05/rssb-says-dont-directly-quote-the-master-so-naturally-i-did
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Actually, the very fact that they discriminate against people who are born blind is mind boggling. So what RSSB has always been saying is that anyone born blind is rejected by God.
And I remember the poor schizophrenic young man who got up and asked GSD why he was rejected for initiation because he was diagnosed with schizophrenia (rules Lady Gaga out of becoming a Satsangi but she’s not she’s got her own “truly humanitarian” foundation anyway). After the man’s 5th rejection for initiation from GSD, the young man committed suicide.
I guess it’s people like him that GSD was referring to when he said so glibly, “You don’t want to know what I think about people with mental illness.”
Posted by: Sonia | May 30, 2020 at 06:28 AM
As for Charan refusing to initiate the blind,…I alway thought the reason was, how can a blind person meditate at the 3rd eye, while trying to merge in to the Living Master’s Radiant Form he/she has never seen?
That is the RSSB Hook that challenges Christians who imagine they will meet Jesus Christ, the Christian Savior who died for them all. The argument was , people born blind who never saw the physical form of the Master, are not candidates for Salvation by practicing Surat Shabd Yoga Technique.
I still agree that blind people are not candidates for Surat Shabd Yoga Initiation, so should seek their Salvation by other methods than RSSB Initiation.
It’s not Rocket Science. It’s a simple fact, that no blind person would recognize the Radiant Form of their Master they never saw in the physical.
I SAW, HEARD, and was TOUCHED by Charan Singh’s Radiant bodily Form inside, so easily recognized his appearance, his voice, even his accent.
To my knowledge, I have never met any one inside claiming to be Jesus, and if I ever do how could I recognize some one who died 2,000 plus years ago, unless I was alive when he was, and saw him, recognized him?
The subject of Karma is really, at its core, a rorschach test.
Most people try to find fault with the teachings of karma in its various forms instead of deal with the root issue: why do terrible things happen to innocent people? And its corollary, why do people treat each other and other innocent people badly, without any real justification?
And why are we all so terribly ignorant of what we ourselves are doing?
We like to believe we ourselves would never do such a thing. But look at the clothes on our backs. Look at the money in our accounts. Where did they come from?
If the creation we live in operates under absolute cause and effect and the notion of random and chance don’t actually exist, how can we explain the above events in any just way?
Here is the short answer. There is no ethical justification with or without karma theory, or any theory of philosophy, spirituality or religion, for what happens around us, and to us, and even within us.
This is why the book ‘Life Is Fair’ is entirely misleading and grossly unkind. I’ve said this for years, you can explain why things happen but there is zero ethical justification for it. Karma may indeed exist. Certainly cause and effect does. But neither is morally defensible. Life as anyone can see, is absolutely unfair.
We were thrown down here, as were all the creatures around us. If it were purely random you might explain it away. But it is not random.
Buddha understood this. His complaint was that life was not fair. And he sought and found a way to liberation, s path available within. He didn’t try to make all this fair or to convince anyone that life was justified.
No, Brian, life is absolutely not fair. And there is no moral justification nor excuse to continue to claim so. This place is a terrible place, but we have within us the mechanism of liberation, exactly what Buddha found.
Hi Jim
You wrote
“It’s not Rocket Science. It’s a simple fact, that no blind person would recognize the Radiant Form of their Master they never saw in the physical.”
Jim, it doesn’t matter what you can or cannot see. The role and responsibilty of your teacher for your enlightenment is their job.
When anyone, blind or otherwise, asks to be closer to God, that comes from God, and God, in whatever for they choose that day, is responsible, and they meet it. We should not interrupt, though that is our tragic addiction.
And when we learn to let go of that addiction all there is is light. Then the blind see everything within.
No legitimate Master can or ever has turned anyone away. It would be like oxygen refusing to enrich your blood. You asked for air when you inhaled. Air is responsible for the rest.
If you ask the Master for the Master they are your Master.
But whether they assign to you a particular set of meditation instructions or not, that is up to the Master. Whether accepted or rejected for those instructions, they cannot help but accept YOU. He still carries the full responsibility. When you asked, God was making it official in that one desire.
The stone cannot raise itself. Everyone who asks for the help gets it, within.
The blind do see within, often much more than you and I because they have much less distraction.
When someone asks you for help,you help without asking.
This is very important, to ALL RSSB Initiates. I hate typing, but in my opinion, any Seeker wanting initiation by ANY Living Person they consider a possible Master, is wasting their time, and life, if they aren’t thriving and contemplating meeting the radiant form of their physical master who initiated them inside.
Blind Seekers won’t see inside whom they’ve never seen outside.
“ Each soul has its own master within. You see, why do we have to see the radiant form of the master? It’s a very simple thing- so that we are not deceived by any other power within. Outside, we have seen the master, so if he projects from the Shabd in the same firm, we know that we are meeting the right entity. If there is some other projection or some other fave within, naturally we can be misled anywhere, and there are thousands of entities or powers trying to mislead us within. We have to see our own master; otherwise we won’t get the right guidance and conviction within regarding where we stand, so he has to project from that Shabd to us in the same firm as we see him outside. That is why contact with the outside master is essential for guiding us within to the level of the radiant form of the master. “
Vol. II, pages 232-233, Spiritual Perspectives
Jim
There is nothing wrong with quoting Sant Mat literature, but we still end up with your citation, and your interpretation, out of context. You can see a guru inside, even your own, and still be misled. The ability to see and the discrimination to understand, vivek, what you are seeing are two different things. And that isnt in your hands. If you think it is on you alone that is a mistake. And if you think everyone who loves God or who wants to love God doesn`t have God living right inside them, helping them make the exact perfect progress at the pace God sets, you are mistaken. But that is not unusual. Vivek was given for our personal use.We were never meant to judge others.The Lord can open the inner eyes of any blind person and take them home much faster than you or I. A blind person in love with God is much further along, Jim, and puts you and I to shame. Any blind person who falls in love with Gurinder or Jasdeep should ask immediately for initiation without fear, in full confidence. They are doing their part. Thank God it`s not up to you or I. Even God has no choice but to rush to that one.
In the Bible, John 14:9, Jesus told Philip, one of his Desciples who asked to see the Father, that those who have seen him, Jesus, have already seen the father.
So, he said they had to SEE him, not imagine him, Visualize him, feel him, so that lets us all out. We are 2,000 years late arriving to that Party,……..until we SEE , the radiant form inside, of the physical Living Master of our time, not past times.
There is no misunderstanding at all, of what the past RSSB Masters taught , regarding merging into the inner radiant form of the initiating Master.
Changing the Teaching is nothing more than dodging the truth of haven failed to ever meet the inner Master within,……YET. But it’s never over , until the Silver Cord is severed, and the School has been closed, and no more classes in those particular school houses, are offered , until another round on the Wheel of 84 arrives. Hopefully, in another human form.
Excuse all the typos in this and previous comments, that’s the grading curve. Forgiveness. Everything I’ve been shown inside has been verified by the physical master and in his own words. Those initiated by MCS need no other guru and same for us initiated by GSD . There’s not much to verify once you contact the real guru inside ,the thief in the night that he is. It’s said that if he can’t do it then his guru’s guru will come for you at the time of death. That’s probably what it’s gonna take. Haha. Most of these modern gurus are actually getting more mysterious , not less . It’s just that your perception is increasing. Gurinder sat there and said one time that this type of meditation was brought to India from Greece. So I don’t know why they keep getting their turbans in a wad over dysfunction .
Karmic consequences are not restricted to any one person or group.The Jews killed during the Holocaust or anyone else murdered for that matter are paying the price for past deeds, NOT because of their present identity.These would just be instances of the larger question of whether the doctrine of karma blames victims. Is the gazelle responsible for being caught by the lion? Well…. Also, perpetrators of cruelty cannot hide behind karma to excuse their actions. Those who deliberately cause others to suffer cannot justify their deeds by claiming that they are simply carrying out the dictates of karma; they will endure the future consequences of their own actions. Karma is just cause and effect. It’s not moral; there is no judge and there’s no concept of “deserving” whatever happens. Unskillful action done in ignorance is a more likely cause of misfortune than deliberate evil. However, it seems westerners are unable to explain fortune and misfortune within any framework other than moral. We can’t help asking if victims of evil “deserved” it because in a past life they “did something wrong.”
Throughout history, entire populations have been systematically wiped out. So even if karma was some type of punishment, the Holocaust is only one of the more recent examples. So even then, the concept isn’t particularly antisemitic. But if someone took the point of view that Jews in particular somehow karmically “deserved” the Holocaust, that would clearly be an antisemitic belief. It would also ignore the extermination of other groups of people by Nazis.
“29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
John 20:29
They are also blessed, and destined for salvation also, Jim.
“25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
John 11:25-26
Belief is all that matters. The rest is up up God, Jim. If they have not seen Him, but believe, even though they die, they will.
And indeed they will be granted a place in heaven:
13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them
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Hebrews 11: 13-16
Jim, you are mistaken.
This is exactly how RSSB fools people, too. They take something that sounds logical — like karma as cause and effect — and then twist it into a supernatural system where every misfortune is your “bad karma” and every blessing is the guru’s “grace.” That way, no matter what happens in your life, the system always reinforces itself. If you suffer, you’re told it’s your fault from past lives; if you succeed, it’s only because of the guru. Either way, you stay trapped.
RSSB’s big selling point is that once you’re initiated, the guru “takes charge of your karmas” and guarantees liberation within four lifetimes. It sounds comforting, but it’s a complete illusion. What it really does is demand blind faith and unquestioning obedience. Just like the Tibetan “root lama” concept, you’re expected to treat the guru as perfect and infallible, even though he’s just a fallible human like everyone else. That sets up a perfect power imbalance — disciples surrender their autonomy, and the guru gains control.
This is why so many intelligent, sincere seekers get fooled. The teachings make doubt feel like weakness and obedience feel like virtue. People stop questioning because they believe their spiritual progress depends entirely on pleasing the guru. But history, whether in Buddhism, RSSB, or countless other groups, shows that putting any human being on such a pedestal leads to manipulation, hypocrisy, and harm.
That’s why Carney’s book hits so hard — it exposes how devotion without discernment turns into danger. Real spirituality should empower people to think freely and live responsibly, not surrender their lives to someone claiming to hold their destiny.
Good post Happy Luthra. Very apt and sensible.
Hi Happy Luthra
You wrote
“That way, no matter what happens in your life, the system always reinforces itself.”
That is a very insightful statement. Unfortunately, it applies to everyone’s different systems of thinking. They all sound perfectly rational to the individual, and they serve to guide us, generally somewhere close to where we already are. But each is missing something. That is the limitation of the human mind. Self’-justification is a weakness everyone shares. And different people, once they see it, try to liberate themselves in one way or another. But within the realm if opinion, it usually ends up replacing one set of defences with another.
@ Brian “Actually, the very fact that they discriminate against people who are born blind is mind boggling. So what RSSB has always been saying is that anyone born blind is rejected by God.” “And I remember the poor schizophrenic young man who got up and asked GSD why he was rejected for initiation because he was diagnosed with schizophrenia.”
If this is true, then in many countries it would be against discriminatory laws. In the UK there is the equality act which includes the Disability Discrimination Act 1995. I wonder how that would work in India – or perhaps spiritual abuse is accepted.
All this talk of things like perfect living masters who take control of Karmas’ and guarantee god realisation etc. is so exclusive and divisive.
Joan Toliffson writes about her new book – a more inclusive and compassionate view of life and spirituality: –
“What do I most hope to convey in this book? That you are okay just as you are, that everything is sacred, that simply being alive is enough, that the perfect path is exactly the one you are on, that all paths lead nowhere (aka now/here), that there is always just this, that nothing could be other than it is in this moment, that there is no one running the show (no god, no you, no me), that there is immense freedom in no longer needing to know what this is or why it’s here, in simply being what you actually cannot not be—this one bottomless moment, this present experiencing, this aware presence, here-now, just as it is.”
“Karma makes sense.”
Yes, it does make a great deal of sense. For one thing, it assures us life is fair. For another, it does, in general, provide a fairly if not infallibly consistent guide to morality, oftentimes with largely benevolent outcomes. And finally, it helps explain so *many* things, and squares up so *many* circles.
But for all of that it isn’t true. That it might be nice if it were true, is no more than a fallacious argumentum ad consequentiam. Ditto the oftentimes moral and benevolent conduct that such a paradigm encourages. And that it might help us square so many circles, is no more than just a fallacious appeal to instinct (which, as we know, is not a reliable guide to determine veracity of truth claims).
Karma isn’t true because it isn’t borne out by evidence. Not selectively cherrypicked evidence, but evidence systematically collected and analyzed and evaluated, via, yepp, the methods of science.
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“Except when it doesn’t.”
Yep, there’s a great deal wrong with it, as well. The Karma paradigm sometimes ends up being the opposite of beneficent and fair. Because it gets us to accept enormities that we might otherwise not have accepted, and so comes in the way of remedial action to right those wrongs.
But again, to reject Karma because of that, ends up being no more than a fallacious argumentum ad consequentiam. Whether its effects are beneficent or baleful is irrelevant to judging the veracity of this idea.
Karma isn’t true, not because it might lead to us accepting and ignoring, as opposed to remedying, a great many wrongs in the world; but simply because the evidence, as systematically studied via science, does not bear it out.
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“root lama”
Ewww, what a completely horrible idea, what an utterly reprehensible custom and tradition! Reprehensible, because it is a ready invitation for charlatans to do what they like, and the gullible to be gulled into all manner of nonsense. But more fundamentally, and beyond the scope for misapplication and abuse: there’s something fundamentally vile about expecting and demanding that kind of absolute obedience from another, and there’s something equally vile in so debasing oneself that one completely surrenders one’s will to another.
That’s a new one, that I hadn’t ever heard of, this root lama thingie. Cool. (That is, cool to know about this bit of trivia, that I hadn’t known about before. The idea itself, the tradition itself, is exactly the opposite of cool.)
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“Radha Soami Satsang Beas had a prohibition against blind people being initiated by the RSSB guru, because being born blind, or I assume going blind from a disease or accident, meant that the person’s bad karmas were unduly heavy.”
Another long-drawn out Ewwwww.
Of course, it’s all nonsense anyway. Not having this vile rule wouldn’t have moved RSSB doctrine and practice one jot closer to being true.
But, that said, Ewwwww. And barf-barf-barf.
Dear Appreciative Reader,
You certainly have the right to your opinion regarding whether RSSB doctrine and practice are true or not, but I would like to give a little clarity regarding the misinformation of the prohibition against blind people being initiated by the RSSB guru. My mother had smallpox when she was an infant. This resulted in her losing one eye and leaving the second severely compromised. I don’t know anything, or have an opinion about her bad or “unduly heavy karmas”. She was initiated by Maharaji Charan Singh. Also, if I recall correctly, Maharaji Charan Singh said these physical eyes are not what are used to see within. I hope this clears up some of the misinformation. Feel better and stop barfing. Take care.
“You certainly have the right to your opinion regarding whether RSSB doctrine and practice are true or not”
Hey, Ruby.
I’ve no knowledge of that, or opinion on that, independently of what Brian’s said here. On the factuality of whether RSSB proscribes initiation for the sightless. I trust Brian, and was going with his view. And I continue to do that still.
As far as the factuality of it, you can take it up with Brian if you like. Like I said I trust him, and should you elect to discuss this with him with evidence, and should he end up changing his mind, then I’m happy to do the same as well.
And, heh, as far as the “barfing” : if it turns out that they don’t have this rule, then sure, I’ll have no reason to think badly of them on that count.
(I’m not really equipped to take on that discussion myself. As far as your mother, it seems she wasn’t actually blind, though, basis what you say, was she? So, not quite what this was about, it seems to me. But again, I’ll leave it to Brian to discuss that with you, should you choose to take it up with him, and should he choose to do the same. I’m going with what he’s said, and will continue to, as far as the factuality of this.)
(I’ve read about similarly narrow misguided homophobic views they harbor, in some post/s and comments here, on Brian’s blog, some years back. That’s equally barf-inducing, that sort of thing.)
(To be clear: We’re talking about RSSB now. But that isn’t to say they’re the worst of the pack, not by a long shot. If you look at mainstream, as defined by numbers, and as defined by respectability and general acceptability, RCC out-bigots RSSB by a mile, I should think. So, I mean, not to single out RSSB here. Just, that’s what we’re talking about here, at this time, so it’s they who get criticized, and not RCC say.)
Sorry, misread the sentence I quoted, Ruby.
I go by what I said in my comment to you, above, as far as the initiation-denied-to-the-blind thing. All of it.
As far as whether their doctrine itself is “true”: well, on that I do have an opinion. An opinion that agrees with Brian, but that I hold independently of him. On that I won’t change my view even should it happen that he ends up changing his! (Unless I’m given good reasons to do that.)
On this matter I can indeed discuss this you if you like. There’s zero evidence bearing out their doctrine, their claims. If you believe there is such evidence, then sure, we can talk about that if you like. Happy to change my mind if there’s good reason to. I’ve zero vested interest after all, and am happy to go with whatever seems reasonable and true and right.
Your call, on whether you want to get into a discussion about that, or about your reasons for (as it seems) believing yourself that their doctrine is true, as in factually true.
My good wishes, take care.
Does anyone have any updates on the cases involving GSD and his sons? Has there been any progress, or is the Indian legal system turning a blind eye to alleged wrongdoing by GSD (often treated like a “god in human form”) and his family?
The Singh brothers are still facing jail time, while one of GSD’s close associates—Sunil Godwani, who was made a scapegoat and remains imprisoned or they are out?.
Any reliable updates on these cases would be greatly appreciated.
Also, regarding the new guru, Jasdeep Singh Gill—has he begun his journey toward enlightenment, or is he already considered enlightened by the sangat(brain washed slave)?
@ True finder
I found this for You:
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llG3yRdYtDk
and
[2] The decision by the goverment, if correct, to make New Delhi, stray dog free
Just have some coffee or tea and think these things over.
That ashram in Beas is not “just” any ashram.
Modi is not just any President of India, he is related to an movement going on to “restore”Hindu pride etc. He does not visit that ashram if there is not something to be “found” for him
The beas ashram, imho, has set an example for the modern India to be.
There are so many people , of power and without power, that have invested interests in the affairs of that ashram far beyond what you are interested in.
The affairs of the Royal Family, is a source of income for the tabloids, and daily ‘junk’ food for its readers but politicians, ceo’s etc have other interests.
Blind people were disqualified for even submitting the Application for Initiation by Charan, because in addition to the reasons I wrote above, the following is included in Charan’s initial instruction to Seekers.
“ To Simplify the process of application, a step-by-step procedure is outlined below for the seeker’s guidance and information.
1. Before submitting a request form for an application, the Master has asked that each seeker should have a very thorough knowledge of the Sant Mat philosophy so that all intellectual doubts can be cleared up and satisfied. To insure that this requirement is met, each seeker is asked to read A MINIMUM OF 1 INTRODUCTORY SANT MAT BOOK such as:
A. Path of the Masters by Dr. Julian Johnson
B. Yoga and the Bible by Joseph Leeming
C. The Mystic Philosophy of Sant Mat by Peter Fripp D. Liberation of the Soul by Dr. J. Stanley White
2. After reading 1 introductory book listed above, the seeker should surely read several of the books written by the Master Himself, such as:
A. Die to Live
B. Divine Light (Discourses and Letters: 1959-64)
C. Light on Sant Mat (Discourses and Letters: 1952-58) D. Light on Saint Matthew (Gospel of St. Matthew) E. Light on Saint John (Gospel of St. John) F. Spiritual Discourses
G. Quest for Light (Letters: 1965-71)
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H. The Master Answers (Audiences in America: 1970)
1. Thus Saith the Master (Audiences in America: 1970) J. Truth Eternal
K. The Path
3. Finally, each applicant is asked to study the classic Sant Mat publication, Sar Bachan by Swami Ji Maharaj, the founder of the present line of perfect Masters. It is a veritable treasure-house of wisdom and spirituality, and should be re-read many times after Initiation.
4. Before submitting the request form, be certain that you meet the standards established by the Master for applicants:”
READING BOOKS are one of the requirements for Application . Again, it’s not Rocket Science.
So, no wonder GSD said “Burn The Books!” RSSB is currently operating under Revision Sant Mat Philosophy.
@um
Thanks for sharing, but those links don’t really provide any answers to the original question about the legal cases involving GSD and his sons. The YouTube video and the note about New Delhi being made “stray dog free” don’t relate to the issue at hand.
The core question is still unresolved: have there been any concrete updates on investigations, court cases, or legal proceedings involving GSD or his family?
It’s true that the Beas ashram holds political, social, and even economic significance—hence why leaders like Modi visit—but that doesn’t substitute for actual updates on the legal matters people are asking about.
If you come across any reliable news or court updates specifically addressing the cases tied to GSD and his sons, that would be much more helpful.
The following was Charan’s Singh’s opinion regarding Karma.
The Law of Karma
The world is a place in which we learn. Is that called karma? What do we learn in this world? To feel unhappy? To be a part of this agony? What are we learning? What advantage are we taking now from our experiences in our previous births? Do we remember them? Are we not repeating the same mistakes which we repeated in our last birth?
How much have we learned from these mistakes? Nothing. So how are we learning?
We are just reaping the fruit of what we have sown. We even do not learn from the mistakes in this life, what to say of our past lives. This world is a field of karmas. Whatever we have sown, we reap, and whatever we sow now, we reap here in the future.
We have come here again and again to fulfil those desires, to reap the fruit of the seeds that we have sown in our previous births, and while reaping we also sow for the next birth, and the excess also increases our stored lot. That is karma.
Question from a Desciple: “Master, if a man acts like a beast will he have to come back as a beast?”
Ans: ” He may have been a beast in his last life and is still carrying all those instincts in him. Or he may come back again as a beast. Our own karma decides that. According to the karma theory, man can merge back into his Source, the Lord from whom he originally came, and he can also go back into a lower species such as an animal or even below that, to which he may have descended in a previous life and come up to the status of a human being again.
The Lord does not find excuses to send us back. He gives us opportunity after opportunity to improve, to go ahead. But if we refuse to make use of this opportunity, we can go back.
Our attachments, our unfulfilled desires, our karmas can pull us down. We do not like to think so, but that is a fact.”
Question: ” Maharaj Ji, is it possible to have unconscious attachments without really realizing it?”
Ans: “Sometimes we are not aware of our attachments. We feel that we are detached, but when the situation arises, we realize how much we are attached. Our present attachments as well as our previous attachments can bring us back to this earth, because unless all our karmas, unless all our attachments are loosened, we cannot go up. We may have some previous attachments of past births which may still be strong and for which we still have to give an account. They may even pull us back to this world. ” Ques: “Even if we do make progress?”
Anns: “Even if we do make progress. But we will, of course, go ahead, not backwards. We will be born in much better circumstances where we can clear our karmic accounts in a much better way. Once we make a start, we will always go ahead, not backwards at all. There are no failures in Sant Mat. But unless our attachments are loosened, we cannot go back Home. And all this meditation takes care of our previous attachments also. When we think that we are not making progress, we do not know actually what progress we are making, how much we have to pierce through in order to get to the light.”
“We all have a store of karmas from previous births, and unless we clear those karmas from previous births, as well as our fate karma and do not sow for the future, how can we go back?
Meditation takes care of all those stores of karmas. By meditating we are loosening those attachments, and when they are being cleared, sometimes in meditation we see many types of faces coming before us of gents and ladies, moving about.”
” We do not know who they are. Those are our previous relations, our previous attachments. We are not to pay any attention to them. We are just to keep ourself in meditation. Automatically they will cease to come before us. Their accounts with us are being cleared in this way. Only if we still have very strong attachments left at the time of death, then we are brought back into this world to clear them.”
Ques: ” Astrologers claim that when one is born in a certain month of the year, one is given a certain type of life and guaranteed a certain way of living. Is this true or not?”
Ans: ” If you know what is going to happen to you, what difference will it make? Nothing can be changed. We will have to face what is in our destiny. So why add to our agony by knowing beforehand what we are going to face? If one is told that he is going to have an accident two years before it is to happen, one is living in that anxiety and agony for two years. Whereas if he did not know in advance, it may have bothered him for perhaps only two or three hours.
What is the use of it all? Astrology is a definite science, which very few have mastered, so mostly these predictions are not correct. One should not dabble in these things. Whatever has to come, will come, so why bother about it?”
Ques: “If we do something for someone and it turns out badly, and we find out that we were wrong and were truly sorry, does that rectify anything?”
Ans: ” We should honestly, with the best of intentions, try always to do good. Then if it turns out differently, we should not worry. We should take it as our pralabdh karma, fate or destiny.
There is nothing to rectify. The thing that had to happen, has happened. Our conscience is clear. We have not done it knowingly. But we should not try to justify such weaknesses. When we are honest in our efforts to do good, then it is up to the Lord. W e cannot help it if it takes another shape.”
Ques: “Regarding animals and our relations to them, is it detrimental to our own progress to have affection for an individual animal?”
Ans: ” It depends upon the attachment. If you are attached to an animal, naturally it will pull you down. If the animal is attached to you and you are not attached to the animal, but you are attached to something much better than the animal, then you may pull that animal up.
If we are meditating, we are attached to that Sound so strongly that it is pulling us, and if the animal is attached to us, we will also pull him along with us.”
Ques: Is it possible to rise to some level where you can negotiate with the mind and these attachments and balance them without actually having to live through the karma?”
Ans: ” We can always burn our karmas. They can always be destroyed. That is the purpose of meditation. Otherwise we would have taken hundreds of lives to fulfil those karmas. But by meditation it can be done in one, or two, or three lives, and four at the most. The object of meditation is to destroy those karmas, to clear those karmas. Kabir says that if you have a big stack of hay, it takes only one matchstick to burn the whole lot. Similarly, one little portion of Shabd, an atom of it, burns thousands and millions of our karmas. We actually burn or destroy and rise above them, and do not make new ones in the process. These old karmas have relations with our mind. When with the help of Shabd our mind goes back to its origin, these karmas just drop down. However rusty a knife may be, if you hold it against a revolving grindstone, all the rust is removed. The knife again shines like new. It becomes pure. That is the condition of the soul when it leaves the mind after coming in touch with the Shabd.”
Ques: “What is the reason for not remembering what has happened?”
Ans: “If you remember what has happened, what has brought you back into this world, you will not repeat those mistakes. That means you will never come back to this earth again, but will go back to the Lord. In that case, eventually everyone would do so, and the creation would come to an end. If we all know why we are here, which bad habits or which bad karmas have brought us here, we will stop doing those bad karmas. Kal ( The negative power) has received certain boons, prerogatives, certain advantages. That is why this whole universe is going on.
One of the boons granted to him was that all creatures forget their past. Those boons are essential for the continuance of this universe. Since the Lord wants this universe to go on, naturally we have to forget all that has happened in our previous lives, for which we are here now. ”
Ques:” Why would the soul want to come back here from the superior planes, knowing how much suffering and misery is here?”
A ns: “Even now, we do not want to go back. We see suffering all around us. If anyone tells you to prepare yourself, you are going to die, are you prepared to die at once? We say, “No, we have so many things to do yet.” So even now we are not prepared to leave in spite of all the suffering in this world. We may think we are prepared to die, but realize that we are not when faced with the situation. Knowing that we are weeping and suffering, knowing that we are so miserable and unhappy, still we are not doing anything to get rid of this condition. We are doing the same things again and again. We are not taking lessons from that deed we have done in the past birth for which we are suffering now. We are victims of the senses, just the same as we used tobe. We are not taking any lessons from the past. Nobody does.When the situation arises we do the same thing, and we are again sorry. We have forgotten the reason why we are unhappy.”
Ques: “Do I understand correctly that at a certain point in the unfoldment we are able to review all the past karmas? If so, is it necessary, and is it of any advantage?”
Ans: ” We do know about our whole past when we go beyond Trikuti, the second stage. When the soul gets released from the mind, your past will be crystal-clear to you, as if you are looking in a glass. This is possible only when you go beyond the second stage, and then perhaps you will not be interested in knowing your past. You are not interested at all. You are rather looking ahead, and not at the back. You do not feel inclined to see what sins you have been committing, nor what you have had to go through. You are not concerned. Only those who reach their True Home obtain everlasting joy and peace. They break out of the cycle of birth and death forever, and return at last to the Father, thereby escaping the repeated torture of the Messenger of Death.”
Ques: “With whose grace do we gain admission to the Court of the Lord? Surely not by our own efforts. Alone we can do nothing. We can never, by ourselves, traverse the uncharted terrain of the inner path. We owe everything to the immeasurable grace of the Master. He showers his blessings on us by joining us with the Shabd and Nam, removing all our doubts, and pulling us out of this quagmire of illusion. It is our Master who puts us on the right Path and awakens in our mind abiding love and devotion for the Lord. Blessed with his infinite grace, through meditation, we seek, we find, and we knock. All beings in the world are helpless puppets in the hands of destiny. There is nothing that they can accomplish by their own efforts.”
“Those on whom the Lord wishes to shower his mercy and grace are given the gift of the human form. Out of these fortunate souls, he draws the attention of the marked ones( Marked Elect) to himself. These are the souls whom he, in his supreme bounty, wishes to deliver from doubt and delusion, whom he wishes to call back to his Mansion by joining them with the Light and Sound. It is the Lord’s will which is supreme. It is His will that is “done on earth as it is in heaven”. Man is helpless. Not till he himself takes us into his fold are we redeemed through the Master’s grace. And that grace is showered on us through his gift of devotion and love, which eventually tunes us to him and draws us to our home to merge with the Lord forever..
– “Die to Live” by Maharaj Charan Singh
@ Jim S.
>>So, no wonder GSD said “Burn The Books!” RSSB is currently operating under Revision Sant Mat Philosophy.<< The public has changed ... people are no longer hippies ...hahaha
@ true finder
At close distance not, you are right … but in a broader perspective, they do.
It is a personal preference to see things unfolding in a world at large.
That makes things closer by, at least for me, understandable.
Beas and everything related is not an island
Jim, you will not find a single RSSB document that disqualifies an applicant from submitting the request for initiation on the grounds that they are blind.
You yourself provided above the written guidelines and then added your own statement. That was your addition.
If you are interested in initiation and willing to adopt the four vows as a lifetime commitment, apply! Don’t let Jim or anyone else stop you.
The fact that you were born human means you were already given the opportunity and have all the needed equipment. It’s yours to use if you want to. .
@ Spence
I sat at close distance when he chose aspirants …and he did refuse quite sime.
They could come back next day and the next and some were indeed accepted later but not all.
And .. there was no conversation … he just looked at them and than moved his had , either to the left or the right as a signal ..you are accepted or not.
I will certainly be “painful” when one is not accepted and probably “unacceptable” for out standers but his role is not to please anybody
The tale of the shepherd, the sheep, the stable and the owner of the sheep in a simple way explains it all …the shepherd is ordered by the owner, he is not even free to chose and anly responsible to the owner …and that idea is to be found also in the bible
Many do not understand most are unwilling to accept these core ideas of a spiritual path and they …well they have no problem to change the way how to present these teachings
I liked that book Legacy of Love. A lot of pictures and Charan Singh said he had a special love for hippies 😚
Gurinderji said in about 2001 about Legacy of Love, he said that there’d never be a book like that about him. Now I’m wondering why he said that back then ? Because he doesn’t have any love ? Or because he doesn’t have any legs?? Probably because he’s psychic and he knew his whole personal life would be spread all over the newly commercialised computer like any celebrity. Mick Jagger didn’t have no love either and he’s everywhere online now too. At least he has all those videos left for posterity. He does have that. We don’t have to go to Mr Gill for any answers at all. They’ll soon be asking for money for everything they’re just waiting for Gurinderji to get out of the way.
Hi Um
Many people try to interpret from their limited viewpoint what the see the Master is doing with the seeker. And so they often form their opinions based on their own projections. And they share them as if they were part of the path. This is how religions form.
But as to what the Masters teach, that is something different. There are no written guidelines restricting any human being from asking for initiation outside of the four vows. Everyone with a serious interest is encouraged to request initiation. It’s part of the capacity within every human being. Their physical condition has nothing to do with their ability to make progress. Charan Singh said so repeatedly.
Asking is actually part of the progress on the path. And that is why you did not understand what you were seeing. How can we? It is the private relationship of the Master and their chosen.
Whether meditation is the right medicine at the right time or the Master has some other approach for their beloved, that is entirely their business. But people are addicted to forming opinions about others, generally negative ones using very superficial information. That is our own projection, and one day we must let those go as we would any other attachment. The attachment to our own opinions about other people is most certainly one of the strongest of attachments and a barrier to progress.
@ Donald
At the end of the tenure of the late MCS, the love, admiration, appreciation or whatever you want to call it, had developed in an almost cult like character.
The attribution of meaning and value to everything related to Sant Mat had taken forms of exaggeration, so much so that it was compared with a plant that grows to fast due to to much, water, fertilizer and sunlight so that it could not grow enough wood to keep itself upright and they decided to bring that to an halt. This comparison is not mine but theirs ..you can find it somewhere.
Anyway ..to sum it up in my own words …The late MCS took whatever was charismatic in relation to Sant mat, but realy EVERYTHING relate to whatever aspect of Sant Mat you can imagine , with him in his grave.
Hahaha and it was done successfully …. maybe your own feelings are rooted there … MGS is not an CS … and a lot of people, as history has shown us, could not and still cannot digest that.
The people that are drawn to the path these days are nit like the colorful charismatic folks in the sixties, seventies etc …. they are replaced by the law and order types, the accountants …hahaha and … there is nothing wrong with that …. the characters that will flow to MGS will also different
Every season has its own beauty, purpose etc
@ Spence
The procedure to ask for initiation or Naam Daan in India is as it is. Everybody interested can find it written down of see parts of it on video’s these days.
Who or what a master is, Is known only by what is available in the books, on tape, and video registration and in the witness accounts of people….people are free and obvious do, attribute whatever meaning an value to what they consume as information that suits them …but … nobody has acces to what is going on in any other person they are aware of, neither inside or outside.
That said, all know or can no that not all that asked for initiation were NOT granted initiation. The procedure outside India might be somewhat different.
The fact is that not all that ask are accepted …. and that fact fits correctly in the core teachings of Sant mat
Yeah blind people aren’t accepted because they’re already way ahead of the game. They without , closing their eyes, see what most satsangis see after initiation for the rest of their lives. Have you ever thought about that? How many people are already so far advanced spiritually that they don’t need it. Or is the church already that arrogant.
This sidebar that has emerged here, about whether the blind can be initiated. It’s …just a sidebar, is all, to the overall discussion here, sure. That said, I’m a bit surprised that this elementary matter couldn’t be settled once and for all — it’s a matter of factuality, after all, and easily enough sussed out, I should have thought.
(Not that it matters, really, one way or the other. RSSB doctrine is nonsense, regardless of this. But yes, absolutely, should this be true — that the blind don’t get initiation into RSSB — then that would represent yet another black mark against how they conduct themselves.)
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The thread discussion proceeds along weird routes, with people, for some reason, quoting words from the Bible in order to bolster their claims about what happens at RSSB. Which is beyond weird, but let’s not forget what kind of people we’re dealing with here, so maybe it’s not unexpected, this nonsense-every-step-of-the-way.
Ruby brings in an interesting example, of her own mother. But again, it’s an example of someone with impaired sight — and not someone actually blind —- being initiated.
So, what is the answer to this simple enough question? Does RSSB proscribe initiation for the blind, or dies it not?
I tried searching for this online, and drew a blank. So this is what I’m going with: The burden of proof is clear on this one. And I don’t see that burden met. (Notwithstanding Sheena, and despite taking her at face value.)
Here’s where I’m at on this, basis my quick online look-up just now. No, RSSB does NOT proscribe initiation for the blind. However, their “Masters”, their Gurus, and specifically Charan, might indeed have one time said something to that effect. …Now for those that buy into this claptrap, it’s a hard job, reconciling that comment with what is done at RSSB. …However, for us who see this nonsense for what it is, we can treat Charan’s comments as just some guy saying some random things. As long as that pronouncement is not officially taken up by RSSB, it doesn’t make sense to then conclude that RSSB proscribes blindness.
Sorry, Brian, but given what we’ve seen so far, that’s what seems reasonable to conclude, what I said in the paragraph above.
Ruby, if you’re reading this: For what it’s worth, I take back that particular barf!
…But let’s not forget, this is just a trivial sidebar. Like I’d said in my original comment here, this vileness not being part of RSSB policy does not bring RSSB doctrine one jot closer to being true.
RSSB claims to follow Santmat, but in reality, they only adopt the parts of the teachings that suit their agenda. They are selective — carefully choosing verses or words of saints that align with their ideology, while conveniently removing or ignoring anything that goes against their beliefs.
The same approach can be seen in how they handle the teachings of Swami Ji. For instance, they even omitted the word “Hukka” from their version of the bani. But changing or altering the words of one’s Guru, or the Guru’s Guru, is itself a serious issue.
If you observe closely, most of the teachings they highlight are those where saints are seen praising their Guru. That’s because the central aim of RSSB is to glorify their current Guru and present him as God in human form. A speaker once even admitted to me that the management gives clear instructions to only use such selected passages.
But half-truths can sometimes be more dangerous than outright lies. And this is exactly what RSSB is doing.
The bigger question is: how long will this continue? How long will people remain blind to it, financing these Babas who control millions of dollars but never present their financial records publicly? RSSB in India, too, has never made its finances transparent.
This makes me wonder: if karma truly exists, then why do these Babas seem to escape its consequences?
The crook gurinder singh dhillon uses karma to trap souls in his web for ever. He ACTS like a god, he tries to dress up like a guru, and you believe his bullshite – like he will take you to god and enlightenment. But the reality is he takes you to his lord and master (lucifer / satan) to judge u, and takes you back to the hell hole of earth trapped by him, the mind and around you keep going until you realise that the only enlightenment is that that crook, that agent of kaal has fooled you. Wake up people. Gurinder you are totally exposed, you can’t run and hide anymore.