Open Thread 30 (free speech for comments)

We are surfing. The board is narrow. The sea wide and moving. Our track changes moment by moment. But we can feel our way along. We can sense the enormity. We can learn to see how the swell rises and moves. We watch the lines. We find our moment. We paddle up and join with the crest, and enter the lead. Yes we are leading. But the enormity chasing behind us demands a narrow path. And a complete focus on our spot right now. We position for the next step, but it is always the position we assume right now that determines that. The wave does the rest. Now, now, now. It’s never anything else. But we dream of the next place we want to be. Not an ambitious dream. We can’t dream too far out. If we wish to keep going. Surfers on all sides and sizes in the water attest to the fact that falling is just a normal part of it. They all have their wet suits on. Choices. Choices. Some better, some worse. And that moment of connection might as well be a steel track, because there is on either side the opportunity to fall. And yet, within that narrow track there is a small latitude. The sea helps us stay on track, so long as we don’t do anything stupid. We are in a relationship with a great and silent teacher. A shift in weight and we alter course, we can choose a wider path. Where to go next? Slight left? Or slight left left? We steer with the weight in the bottoms of our feet. Our very loose connection to the wave, to the earth. It’s not even a connection. But we are connected. It’s the only way we can stay afloat. And align the rest of our body weight to match our feet.

Religious people, why do you believe in God?
Because They are HIM. 💥❤️💥
💥❤️💥 under pseudo with temporal amnesia and. low IQ

Thought I’d kick-off this new thread with a description of ‘Being a Taoist’. Not that I am a Taoist but the descriptions are at the same time fun – and perhaps relevant.
If you describe yourself as “spiritual but not religious”… you might be a Taoist.
If you think that less government is better… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 57,58, 59 & 60)
If you believe that you can behave ethically without religious guidelines… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 19)
If you think that people should spend less time worrying about the meaning of life and more time living it… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 20, 46 & 48)
If you see yourself as just another part of the natural world, like a bird, or a rock, or a stream… you might be a Taoist.
If you’re content with the fact that you’re not a supernatural being, that when you die the chemical reaction sustaining your life ends and your atoms return to the universe. In fact, if you believe that you never really were separate from the universe so there is no returning to do… you might be a Taoist.
If you don’t believe that there’s an all-powerful, all-knowing god who listens to everyone’s prayers and responds to only those he deems worthy… you might be a Taoist.
If you’re an agnostic or an atheist… you might actually be a Taoist.
If you think Thoreau should have just said, “Simplify.” (instead of “Simplify, simplify.”)… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 46, 48 &80)
If you think that all religious fundamentalists are nuts… you might be a Taoist.
If you think less money should be spent on crushing our enemies and more on making them our friends… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 30 & 46)
If you prefer the gentle peace of Tai Chi to the kicking and punching of Tae Kwon Do… you might be a Taoist.
If you understand that good and evil are human, not divine, definitions… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 5)
If you like Benjamin Hoff’s “The Tao Of Pooh”… you might be a Taoist.
If you believe that no one, no religion, no philosopher, no charismatic leader knows the true answer… you might be a Taoist.
If you don’t believe that you have done anything that you need salvation for… you might be a Taoist.
If you believe in living in the moment, not dwelling on the past, or worrying about the future… you might be a Taoist.
If you can see that by defining beauty you have defined what is ugly… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 2)
If you try not be one of the “people being persuaded to spend money they don’t have on things they don’t need to create impressions that won’t last on people they don’t care about”… you might be a Taoist. (Verses 44, 46 & 48)
If you don’t believe in divinely inspired miracles, only amazing coincidences… you might be a Taoist.
If you can be a leader without trying to be in charge… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 10, 17, 58 & 59)
If you prefer NPR over Fox News… you might be a Taoist. 😉
If your definition of creationism is that man created gods… you might be a Taoist.
If you prefer to “go with the flow”, slipping like water around all types of physical and mental obstacles… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 8)
If you know when you have enough and you don’t need a lot… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 9&46)
If you think that groups that preach acceptance and then exclude large sections of humanity from joining them are hypocrites… you might be a Taoist.
If you know that you have a better understanding of what your spiritual needs are than some (self-)proclaimed holy man… you might be a Taoist.
If you’re a vegan or vegetarian or a tree-hugging environmentalist… you might be a Taoist.
If you have a hard time reconciling proven historic and scientific facts with contradictory stories passed down by uneducated superstitious desert dwellers, edited and re-edited by generations of religious and government leaders for their own benefit, constantly quoted out of context by followers with their own agendas, about a god who’s described as jealous, petty, indecisive, and ruthless, having murdered millions, including admittedly innocent victims… you might be a Taoist.
If you believe that “whatever happens, just happens”… you might be a Taoist.
If you love your fellow earthlings (human and non), just want to see us all get along and quit harming the planet… you might be a Taoist.
If you value others not only for their similarities but for their differences… you might be a Taoist.
If you think that if someone doesn’t approve of gay marriage, then they shouldn’t have one… you might be a Taoist.
If you believe that the laws of nature work better and make more sense than alleged “holy” laws… you might be a Taoist.
If you can see that the true path to enlightenment can only be found within you, that any human being who claims to know your path is lying… especially if they’re asking for donations… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 1)
If you get that the hawk is not evil because she kills the chicken, the hawk is just being a hawk… you might be a Taoist.
If you have a hard time believing that a just and perfect god would punish a whole country by sending a hurricane to destroy good and bad alike… you might be a Taoist.
If you can see that you are living the perfect life for you, in a perfectly designed universe… you might be a Taoist.
If you understand that a journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step… you might be a Taoist. (Verse 64)
In short…
If you can conceive of an unnameable infinite power (call it Tao) that has always existed, that powers the universe, holds molecules together, makes the flowers bloom, birds sing, your heart beat, allows some things to evolve while others don’t, allows the sun to shine and rain to fall on both the good and the evil, all without putting any demands on the recipients or having the need to be worshiped or even acknowledged… then you might be a Taoist. (Verse 25 & 34)
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“Where Zen and Buddhism will say the truth, enlightenment, and so on can be reached through dedicated meditation and practice, a Tao master may sip some wine, fart, and go to sleep.”
from Daily Cup of Tao
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@ Turan
You are not born to be the sun of your parents, the brother, nephew, uncle to the rest of the family. Neither are you born to befriend anything or anybody, let alone offer your live for an ideal, country, religious belief or being a called a taoist.
But …..
Being alive you have to deal with all these things and if so you are advised to make the best of it.
I often had to clean the floor of the kitchen of my families food business … I did it as good as i could and as swift as possible, so that i was released of the ties and free again, having no interest whatsoever what they would think or feel.
To remain free is to be alive, to be human also.
He said … do your duties as {naming the different roles I had to play] … but … don’t get emotionally involved in these ties nor the persons involved.

Hi Um
You write
“I often had to clean the floor of the kitchen of my families food business … I did it as good as i could and as swift as possible, so that i was released of the ties and free again, having no interest whatsoever what they would think or feel.”
I clean the toilet in my place until it glows and sparkles with an almost angelic radiance.and if angels had scents, my clean toilet exudes it. And not just because I like a clean toilet. I like comfortable guests. I like guests to be pleased with how nice things are. I like that a lot.

And when we all took an old chartered bus to see Gurinder, I volunteered to clean the bus toilet. It was a long journey. I cleaned it five or six times a day. I sat in back just waiting to clean it again.
It was my pleasure.

In fact it was one of the easiest and simplest things I could do for my brothers and sisters. It was nothing. Life is difficult. Why make it worse with a dirty toilet?
But a gleaming, perfumed toilet? Takes maybe a minute or two. Takes nothing. Takes next to zero effort.
But the comfort it provides others? Can’t be measured.
To really help the world in some big way, that’s out of reach. But I’m not helpless. I can help in a way people really like. I can do something. And it’s so so simple and easy.
The fact it’s so simple and so nice, it’s just pure pleasure.

So how come something that takes very little skill and nearly zero time can become a source of pleasure, even pride? Because no one else wants to do it!
These are the treasures. Next to zero effort.
When you perform some great athletic feat, or some great intellectual accomplishment you can feel proud that you did what no one else could do. It may have taken your whole life and every thing you had in skill and will.
But it’s nearly the same feeling when you do what no one else wants to do, but which everyone on earth wants done!
Bargain of the century.
It’s like hidden treasure.

And now I have real admiration when I see a guy in the public men’s room cleaning up all the time, the toilets, the urinals, sinks, leaving out a couple of bottles of cologne, offering you a clean towel to dry your hands, a bottle of mouthwash near the sink with paper cups, dressed in black slacks, white shirt and a black vest. Such pride. He gets a big tip.
I get why he loves the work.
And he has every reason to love it. It’s clean, useful and helpful work.

@ spence
Chains can be of iron but lso of gold and a prison can be a class or b class … whatever they look like, in the end they take your freedom away.
To remain free is to be alive, to be human also.
He said … do your duties as {naming the different roles I had to play] … but … don’t get emotionally involved in these ties nor the persons involved.
“The smile” on the faces of others can be addictive and become a curse.
For that reason Christ must have said that one hand should not Know from the other hand what it does for worse things can befall one. Other colleagues of Christ have issued the same warning in other words.
It was my duty as son to obey may parents. If it was cleaning, I cleaned. I never sought their praise, it just didn’t matter. When the job was finished I could attend again to my own life in freedom.
Our parents cared for their children and there was no need to do anything for them to change their attitude towards their children… so cleaning floors was just an duty and not a means to please them, it was simple not necessary to please them.

request.
Has anybody ever located the book that is mentioned here:
https://archive.org/details/SantGaribDasRadhsoamiBookAnmolVachan/page/n11/mode/2up
The original hindi version … ANMOL BACHAN??

Hi Um
No need to justify what you wrote. No need to paraphrase Charan or Jesus or amend your interpretation.
You may be living exactly as they intended, whatever that is. You are most certainly living as you intend.
And that can be different for different people.
Joy is going to be part of each person’s life, as is sadness, each in their own proportion. And while it is interesting to see where that fulcrum of balance lay for each individual, it is not going to be in the same place.
Be happy with the indifference you cherish. That is yours. It is what makes you who you are. It may be an improvement on sadness. It may give you the strength to live exactly as you wish. Sadness can change us. Compassion that breaks our heart can move us in a different direction. So I understand how indifference may, therefore, be a source of happiness. But it is no wiser than joy in simple things, joy even in pleasing others. That arises naturally in some people also. It’s His gift too.
And the sadness that compels us to stop and become soft, stop and accommodate, apologize and make amends, there is great joy and wisdom in that also.

@ Spence
It has nothing to do with indifference …. those who are happy need not to dance to be happy and those who are sad do not need to cry, to express their feelings.
And … those who care, need not to do anything, for that love to radiate from them.
You are free to use other words for caring.
And for guests to feel at home, there is no need to clean toilets.
The use of his words is simple explained, in that what they convey cannot be said in simpler and easier to understand ways….they were given to me to use and as a tool to live by.
So again … do your duties but don’t get emotionally involved as xxxx, yyyy but don’t get emotionally involved in these ties nor the persons involved.

— Greene has it backwards.
Stuff is nothing more than consciousness
WITH A PURPOSE
777
PS/REF: my old comment
“This is how it works”

Hi Um
You write
“And for guests to feel at home, there is no need to clean toilets.”
Trust me in this one, they aren’t telling you.

@ spence
If they would, I probably will ask them if they are inspectors from the government and/or trying to move me to give them extra apple py.
Bath rooms have to be clean in order to function well, they are not made to arouse emotions, compliments … musea or nature are better suited for that purpose.
I am not born to make people happy … neither unhappy ofcourse… but … some re-act with happiness and others with the opposite on my actions … it is up to them.
It reminds me of my dad, peace be upon his soul if he had one. He was not much of a talker. One day he called me and said … Be aware of those who make you compliments when the join your table for diner. On seeing my surprised face he added … don’t you understand?! … those who do are easily not to be trusted and have an hypocritical bend of mind. When I asked him what made him think so het said … look those who are hungry, first eat and from their way of eating you can see what it does to them.
Good things do no need to be applauded.

So again … do your duties but don’t get emotionally involved as xxxx, yyyy but don’t get emotionally involved in these ties nor the persons involved.
Posted by: Um | February 27, 2020 at 12:05 AM
Absolutely bang on but not easy to achieve.

Hi Um
I understand where your distrust comes from.
And your disinterest in pleasing or serving anyone.
But when it comes to progress that must be overcome.
We must stay focused on other’s strengths, however hidden they may be. They must be nurtured to grow. And at some point, spend our entire life on others.
The True Saint has no concern for their own growth. They are fully grown already.
But every good gardener, even one for hire, is passionate to help the garden grow.
The seedlings born in darkness, thinking this is life, need a little water and sunlight. Then as you say, the rest happens automatically. But it’s a combination of seed, soil, water and Gardner. The seed has little say. To the seed, thinks just happen. This is of some amusement to the gardener. But as a sapling, that’s right. Just stay put, stay out of trouble and grow from within!
The Gardener always has their hands full. Absolutely full, 24 x 7. No end of work in the service to the landlord.
But each of us is cut out for our particular work.

@ Wise owl
That is right … it is not that easy
As long as the truth of the statement is not caught it is maybe impossible even
… and … than it that takes time put it into practice.
Personally I doubt if one can practice it at all, it has to came natural.
Probably he was right when he said that cream floats natural on the milk if left alone.
It is strange and becomes even more stranger writing here day by day, now the obligation, the desire an what other things that walk around in a persons mind, compelling one to be a “good” stasangi or even to be an satsangi at all, have faded out over time.
Food has to be tasted, eaten and digested … not discussed.

@ Spence
In nature there is no need for a gardener.
The gardener makes himself indispensable by first depriving plants from their natural environment and possibilities of growth.
Naturally if a person puts himself in the position of the “gardener” he has to suffer the consequences.
>>I understand where your distrust comes from. >And your disinterest in pleasing or serving anyone. << doing ones duties, is impossible without first proper investigation of what is needed in given situation. These duties are by necessity an service and often pleasing too an consequence. But pleasing and serving as a goal or means is something else

Thank you are right Spence. Hello missed you.

Hi Um
You write
“In nature there is no need for a gardener.”
Nature has many many workers in her garden. Many, many Gardeners.
Stop. And look around.

Hi Arjuna!
Hello!

“We must stay focused on other’s strengths, however hidden they may be. They must be nurtured to grow. And at some point, spend our entire life on others.”
Crikey! I do enjoy reading all these different viewpoints and at the same time observing the different ways people think and act. Spence says in the above comment how to help others and I realise that this is his mission in life because he is helping others in his daily life and hospital work.
Makes me realise how complicated and different people are. My practice in life is very different to the ‘service to others’ type attitude. Zen is about acknowledging and exploring feelings of emptiness within one’s self, watching and being aware, also being calm and kind to self and others. Letting go is my mantra. Maybe emptiness helps as a defence mechanism, especially for an empath, to not feel the pain and suffering of the world by replacing it with some kind of ‘void’.

Hi Jen
It’s a gift to have solitude.

Hi Jen again!
You wrote
“Maybe emptiness helps as a defence mechanism, especially for an empath, to not feel the pain and suffering of the world by replacing it with some kind of ‘void’.”
If you can be at home in that emptiness, comfortable in it, live in it, on bed terms with it, intimate with it, then you have mastered the greatest source of fear in the world.
You have conquered the enemy.

Sometimes I wonder what it would actually take to shock people on this blog. I mean, I’ve tried as hard as I can here but hardly get any pushback. 😂
I spend my life observing and analyzing people and I can say for certain this is a very unique and interesting group of commenters…

Most of what I say is sincere but a lot of my comments are just for shock value. I want to see how people are going to react to certain ideas and concepts.
But you guys… you’re a tough crowd. It’s like you’re all veteran witnesses of bizarre and crazy behavior.
I guess that’s why I enjoy this blog so much.

I’m really starting to believe that if you took all the regular commenters on this blog and put them in front of an alien ship that had just landed, they wouldn’t even have a look of shock on their faces. I think they’d just start debating whether or not the spaceship was really there and then go into some debate about the validity of quantum physics and the engineering it would take to build such a space ship. All this while aliens were deplaning and trying to get their attention. But they wouldn’t be interested in the aliens because they’d still be debating String Theory, the Theory of Everything and stuff like that.
🤣🤣🤣

It’s like NOTHING is too weird for this sciencey atheist blog!!! I’m sorry, it’s just so ironic and entertaining.
Poor Brian, he’s like WTF do I have to do to get through to these people!
But I say all of this with deep affection. 😆

Thanks Spence, it sure is a gift and I do enjoy my solitude 🙂
Sonia, I’m still waiting for that space ship to arrive and checking out those aliens !!
Brian is a saint with what he puts up with 😉

@ But they wouldn’t be interested in the aliens because they’d still be
@ debating String Theory, the Theory of Everything and stuff like that.
Spot on… although if the ET’s request “Take me to your leader”,
they’ll witness actual fighting.

@ But they wouldn’t be interested in the aliens because they’d still be
@ debating String Theory, the Theory of Everything and stuff like that.
Spot on… although if the ET’s request “Take me to your leader”,
they’ll witness actual fighting.
Posted by: Dungeness | February 27, 2020 at 11:12 PM
🤣🤣🤣 Very true.

Regarding the Tao again. Perhaps because any originating causal agent is beyond the ability of a simple thinking organism – us. I like the fact that we cannot use it, cannot make of it a commodity, cannot make it into a mind object to enhance the ego/self. Our numerous opinions and comments here (including this one), probably serve to maintain our egos, our self structures – but thankfully you cannot do this with Tao.
The Tao te Ching states:-
Soundless and formless, it depends on nothing and does not change.
It operates everywhere and is free from danger.
It may be considered the mother of the universe.
I do not know its name, I call it Tao.

Thanks Turan,
I love the Taoist teachings. Found this article about body and brain health…
The Taoist Brains: Who are the TAO & What is their Philosophy?
https://www.superfeast.com.au/blogs/superblog/the-taoist-brains

@Some hoarding
When living in a place where many come on vacation
it s wise to buy 2 or 3 weeks canned food
and medication
My town f I will probably go in quarantaine with interdiction to leave
for some time
Cheers
7

The Crucifixion is cancelled….. Along with the resurrection..and Jesus is being laid off.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/attractions/os-et-holy-land-history-20200228-6nmpyrgts5b3bfmgibpqmjch4y-story.html?outputType=amp
Maybe it’s time for Holly Land to become Guru Land, or better still, Discovery Land?

Having Goose Bumps much of the time
mainly by music,
I wonder how that would play off , having them all the time!!
777
not referring to Anahabad Shabd here ! that’s a whole other world

But, since super-consciousness has stepped down awareness for
thrill enhancement, the body’s 1/5 sec.
Some meditations activate akashic neurones at higher speeds
RssB’s . . at >light speed of the Maker
Exciting
777

The Crucifixion is cancelled….. Along with the resurrection..and Jesus is being laid off.
Maybe it’s time for Holly Land to become Guru Land, or better still, Discovery Land?
Posted by: Spence Tepper | February 29, 2020 at 04:04 AM
Good for JC. He can enjoy his retirement now.
Holyland to bland. Interesting journey.

The Tao te Ching states:-
Soundless and formless, it depends on nothing and does not change.
It operates everywhere and is free from danger.
It may be considered the mother of the universe.
I do not know its name, I call it Tao.
Posted by: Turan | February 28, 2020 at 08:24 AM
How different is this Tao fron the ‘Word’, ‘Shabd’ ‘Sarosh’, Logos, Akash bani, Kalma or Bang-i-Ilahi, The music of the spheres etc

“Lao-Tzu (also known as Laozi or Lao-Tze) was a Chinese philosopher credited with founding the philosophical system of Taoism. He is best known as the author of the Tao-Te-Ching, the work which exemplifies his thought. The name by which he is known is not a personal name but an honorific title meaning `Old Man’ or `Old Teacher’ and there has been countless speculation as to whether an individual by that name ever existed or whether Lao-Tzu is an amalgam of many different philosophers.”
Every morning I start my day with the I Ching, the ancient book of Chinese wisdom, using the Chinese oracle coins.
I’m glad that I experienced the “New Age Movement” in the 1970s. There was a very strong feeling of freedom and love and laughter and flower power etc. I also was initiated by Charan in the 70’s.
I notice in today’s world that people are not that interested in mysticism and seem to be very serious and logical. As an old gal now I miss those magical times.

How different is this Tao fron the ‘Word’, ‘Shabd’ ‘Sarosh’, Logos, Akash bani, Kalma or Bang-i-Ilahi, The music of the spheres etc
Posted by: Steve Kinsella | February 29, 2020 at 06:34 AM
@all
I had a long list of these equivalents bt lost it on an old hard disk
Perhaps somebody has that – like 20 shabd_names from all kind of cultures
7

Hi Steve
You ask
“How different is this Tao fron the ‘Word’, ‘Shabd’ ‘Sarosh’, Logos, Akash bani, Kalma or Bang-i-Ilahi, The music of the spheres etc?”
Do you know?
Pick your myth.
And honor the myths of others.
Enjoy your freedom. Live and let live.

Hi Steve
You ask
“How different is this Tao fron the ‘Word’, ‘Shabd’ ‘Sarosh’, Logos, Akash bani, Kalma or Bang-i-Ilahi, The music of the spheres etc?”
Do you know?
Pick your myth.
And honor the myths of others.
Enjoy your freedom. Live and let live.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 01, 2020 at 12:31 PM
Thank you for this valuable advice. But am more interested in the answer to my question. Have one do you?
Myth – a widely held but false belief or idea. Thus myths have no place for me.

Hi Steve.
As far as the words/terms you mentioned in your query of Tao, if they refer to something, an idea or concept then that is not Tao. As far as I know, Logos is the nearest to Tao as it refers to a/the controlling principle of the Universe – or God! Tao literally translated is the ‘way’. But in Taoist terms it is the unconditional and ‘unknowable’ source and guiding principle of all reality which is why the quote I first mentioned states ‘I do not know its name, I call it Tao.’
I prefer (indeed cannot) name this wonder that we call life. Just to acknowledge that it is, is enough – and in the Taoist, Buddhist or Zen sense check out who/what is doing the investigating – and why.
I doubt whether a simple evolved organism like ourselves which believes in its own self grandeur is capable (or necessary) to understand any original causal agent of this life and universe. Our ego, our thinking brain denies this perhaps because it is too uncomfortable for us not to know and confront our limitations.

@Steve Kinsella
I guess YES
Although all our Chakra_tunnels generate sound_vibrations
and can be heard by sensible individuals
So, . . location is very important, . . like always
What to my 2cts opinion is important is that the practitioner
ps aware of swelling of the shabd above the eyes
Swelling is different from Volume
it is the Love that one feels
but I don’t know if it is a good English word for this phenomenon
777

@Turan and @777
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.sandeepmaheshwari.com/pdf/THE%2520ONE.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjCys-LuvnnAhVv_XMBHYVWCZMQFjAEegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2B5updpz4r5Fzs6-6UrbK-
The article is informative – whether about shabd names in different cultures or is tao any different from words/terms listed by Steve Kinsella.
@Steve, I would probably not be wrong in presuming the intent behind your post was to convey that Tao isn’t something unique as both the path/way and the creative and sustaining power has been referred to by others as well across geography and time.

A UK based punjabi radio station covered this during their news segment:
http://www.uniindia.com/dera-beas-head-meets-mann/north/news/1904517.html
Just more stench as far as I can tell, not that I’m paying much attention to be fair.

A Wise 🦉
That gave me a lot of Goose Bumps to read
The Real Method is Love
starting with helping an old ugly man across the street
777

Spot on… although if the ET’s request “Take me to your leader”,
they’ll witness actual fighting.
Posted by: Dungeness | February 27, 2020 at 11:12 PM
We wouldn’t put forth this request to the motley group here. We know where to head ….. And that is – head to GSD!!!!
LoL.

Hey Brian,
Found this for you: https://youtu.be/JrdEMERq8MA
😄

@InDoubt
Brian said:
(including myself) would be pleased to acknowledge the existence of God if there was good reason to do so. Which, there isn’t.
isn’t it scientifically appealing to believe in solipsism/solispism (wiki)
Just believe it
or stop thoughts💥❤️💥 during one minute
Is that too much?
and then be SURE
I applaude very much God for this gorgeous arrangement
If not, Thoughts would conquer music
777

Can we all at least agree that GOD is not a person??? If GOD is anything, it’s energy. We with our little minds like to speak of God in the language of personhood because it’s relatable.
You should hear how the squirrels talk about humans. They think we’re all nuts!
haha

Hi Sonia
You wrote
“Can we all at least agree that GOD is not a person???”
Why not? If energy runs through us all, could there be people who personify that energy?
Why not?

@ Can we all at least agree that GOD is not a person???
@ You should hear how the squirrels talk about humans. They think we’re all nuts!
They say God’s in all living things so there’s hope for
nuts… no matter how squirrelly the notion may seem.

99;9999 % vs thisblog
💥❤️💥

Dungness,
:0)
……

99;9999 % vs thisblog
💥❤️💥
Posted by: 💥❤️💥 Do some exit polls @bandharas 💥❤️💥 | March 05, 2020 at 07:54 AM
OK, sure I’ll get right in that… Do they still call them “bandharas”?
Let’s see, how many frequent flier miles do I have left? 🤔

Why not? If energy runs through us all, could there be people who personify that energy?
Why not?
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 04, 2020 at 04:30 PM
You mean GIHF? Like your masters Huzur and GSD?

The most beautiful experience we can have
is the mysterious – the fundamental emotion
which stands at the cradle of true art and true science.
— Albert Einstein
………………………..
Am I a Mystic? 10 Telltale Signs of Mystics
1. You value experiences above all else.
2. You question existence.
3. You are comfortable with uncertainty
4. You value intuition
5. You are uncomfortable with spiritual hierarchies
6. You have your own set of rules
7. You value internal growth
8. You believe you are a conduit for power, not the source
9. You believe love is the source of life
10. You don’t know everything
https://www.gaia.com/article/am-i-a-mystic-10-signs

Hi Jen
I love the list and believe it 100%. That is my belief.
All the true Saints I’ve met meet those criteria.

Hi Trevor
You write
“You mean GIHF? Like your masters Huzur and GSD?”
Yes. And more. True Saints do not call themselves Saints or even Masters. They don’t allow anyone ever to call them by any honorific or title. Every title is a barrier. Every title is a competition with God, intervening between us and the divine.
They encourage us to spend time with nature, because the divine is in everthing and everyone, and quite visible to the innocent, or trained eye, the sensitive eye. Some children can see it. An adult needs to be trained.
They see that everyone is a puppet, and they are intimate with the one who made the one pulling the strings.
True Saints have no titles.
But some of us need authorized teachers and authorities. We have lost our sensitivity to what is happening within us and around us, and how everthing happening around us is a reflection of what is happening within us, and so we need some method to reconnect.
For those, we get stage actor Gurus. But good stage actors point to the same thing, the true Saints, and the one Lord. They have a level of purity, a level of understanding, and represent a stage of our development. They are mostly an informed, enlightened projection of our own need. But that is ok, because that need is a real need, not to be denegrated, but to be honored as real and persued as our own sacred journey, the journey and purpose of our tiny but important life.
The problem is that the rich stage actors are impure, to some lesser or greater degree, just like the rest of us. They have a level of wisdom intermixed with lust, anger, greed, attachment and pride. Their role often requires a mighty ego, to wield power, to control an organization. We are impressed that they are as pure as they are.
But the True Saints have mastered the ability to live without needing any of that baggage. They do not have divided interests. They aren’t actually centered here. Their office is a different place. And that is where their values are too. They are the ultimate role models of a simple, singular life of devotion, absolutely pure, spotless, free of corruption, completely humble. This is why people in general, covered in rust, burdened under iron shakles, can’t see them.
Not to say the true Saints don’t have all the same challenges and temptations of this biochemical body; the stresses of membership in society, and the duties of job and family.
But they have mastered those same tendancies and duties with the greater power of Spirit within them, by simply not existing in this body. That is why they are not affected by these things. They are the expression of that power and use it daily to clean the mind they must use here to function, to live basically in the highest regions within full time, and merely function here as a part time thing.
Find one of them. They are in every land. Then they will become your standard.

Nice opportunity as long
as it( the cosmos) will last
The paper revives a theory that dates back to 1982, by theoretical physicist Edward Witten.
“A hole spontaneously forms in space and rapidly expands to infinity, pushing to infinity anything it may meet,” Witten wrote in his paper.
Physicists have long posited that most of our universe is made up of nothingness, or vacuum. Anything in a more “excited” or unstable state tends to decay to lower energy states by releasing energy. That means our universe is relatively stable.
False Vacuum
But now, scientists, including the ones behind the new paper, are questioning this conclusion, suggesting that the universe is experiencing a “false vacuum,” and hasn’t truly transitioned to its least excited and most stable state. The result: a “bubble of nothing” that could “‘eat’ all of spacetime, converting it into ‘nothing,’” Marjorie Schillo, lead author from Uppsala University, told

@Trevor
Like your masters Huzur and GSD?
All the way back to Melchisadeck and long before
without making new karma, whatever THEY do,
always out. of kal’s scope
777

“whatever THEY do,
always out. of kal’s scope”
True Saints never like to violate the laws of this place, and they model living within the laws.
The stage actor Gurus have divided interests and violate the laws here all the time, in their own personal interests, exploiting their authority, doing what they would never advocate for their followers.
Their followers are constantly burdened with justifying these excesses, denying it, making claims their guru is above the law. It’s atractive because it gives the followers permission, they think, to indulge in similar excesses. However, the very act of justifying burdens their own subconscious mind, their own conscience, making inner progress divided, weakened, and limited by that very burden.
The creator of the laws doesn’t break them. He or she honors them. Every jot of the law. Every comma and period, every “i” dotted, every “t” crossed.
The true Saints are the role models of how to live without harm.
But the followers of the stage actors must always make excuses for the harm the stage actors inevitably cause. And this harms inner focus, inner progress by creating a subconscious division. Because at some hidden level they can’t allow themselves to acknowledge, they know it’s wrong.

@Spence
I think people are the energy but the Source is energy. Meaning it doesn’t judge.

Jen,
❤️ the top 10! Thx!!

@spence
(1) ordinary mortals (2) true saints (3) good stage actors (4)rich stage actor
Wow….. Awesome categorisation. All on the basis of outward appearances, titles, life(style) they lead.
This rationale you suggest is childish at best.
Unless you claim:
God himself revealed that these are the categories and that physical appearance/ state, life (stle) led, ought to be the deciding factor.
Btw, there can only be two categories – complete masters (aka true masters/saints) or incomplete master and do you have the bandwidth to distinguish between the two? Well….. But you are welcome to your views.
Sd/-
Sath_Path

Hi Sonia
“I think people are the energy but the Source is energy. Meaning it doesn’t judge.”
When an innocent child says what they see we don’t say the child judges. They are just speaking what they see. But adults teach that child to be silent. Or to say different words. The adults teach that child about self – interest. And about judging.
Adults who have no problem opining night and day in their own self – interest tell that child not to judge, who has no capacity to judge. But in truth neither do the adults.

Hi 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
You wrote
“Wow….. Awesome categorisation. All on the basis of outward appearances, titles, life(style) they lead.”
To lead a simple life of no titles, and no distractions, dedicated to the Spirit.
To serve others while taking full responsibility for oneself.
To be kind through and through, generous, gentle, meek, but steadfast in devotion.
To live lean, on limited means, and yet happy in all circumstances, in reasonable comfort, a small footprint, a life of no harm, no burden.
A loving father, son, brother, sister, daughter, mother. A loving friend.
A dedicated employee but never a boss.
Attentive, with no other time demands. A purposefully small life.
Singular in love.
No hint of anger.
No hint of greed, no interest in acquisition, refusing every source of authority or fame.
Infinitely patient, and Infinitely listening, interested.
Having confidence in God and good work, but giving credit away entirely to God and all others. Living wisely out of the spotlight, but always helping others to have their moments there. Enjoying vicariously the success of others. Submitting all the time to God, and through God, all their friends. Bending very low.
Bending to the ground to feed those around them and the entire world. A tree laden with fruit, full, ready for the harvest, burdened with fruit, anxious to give.
If you knew such a one your standards would change.
First, you would become ashamed. Then you would want to live in that atmosphere of love all the time. Then to become nothing, to become your friend.
You would see pride, avarice, impatience in the stage actors are weaknesses. You would recognize the show they are putting on. And you would prefer your Friend who wears no masks, who is transparent.
But you could only know this because of your association with a True Saint. And your recognition of these barriers to love, and to life, within yourself.
The true Saint inspires you, not to hate yourself for being less, but to love that you are a seed germinating in love and kindness. That the source, Nam, Word, is abundant within you. And then in the simplicity of their company, you experience it. It’s just you and them. No crowds.
Instead of finding inspiration in the stupidity and ignorance you judge in questioners; the clever insults of the guru’s reply; and the laughter of the audience; you would become ashamed to find yourself enjoying that form of vivisection, and turn and never go back.
But all that happens when you see and understand the true Saint.
I might insult you with these words. I might be an affront to your beliefs.
But the True Saint would not say such things at all. And that is why they are invisible to you, though they are around.
You have to become meek and submissive to that gentle voice inside yourself that you have ignored and pushed away for so long you can’t hear her anymore. You’ve got to befriend her, and then she will reveal the true Saints around you. She will bring you to them. They will come to you.
Pray for that. Pray to be so humbled, and if need be humiliated, that you are so low you can hear her and find a true Saint. She is wisdom.

The true Saint will befriend you. They will invite you to their home, right here on earth. And you will have them into it home also. Many times.

@ Spence
Imagine some of these saints meeting each other all having that desire to be more humble than the other.

@Spence, Hi.
Thanks you for taking time to type out the long sermon but honestly I won’t read it for I know you nether have the vision nor the bandwidth to recognise a true master. None of us have this actually.
The categories are just your judgements basis
the figure you have built in your mind through studying the literature available about the Satguru; just as we all do in our own ways.
But neither God nor his physical manifestation (perfect master) is bound by our concept of what or who a perfect master ought to be like and what ‘physical’ attributes and qualities he should display. He can manifest as Kabir the Weaver or Ravidas the Cobbler or even Jeff Bezos worth a $140bln+ . It’s His wish.
You and I or anyone else do/does not dictate God and his physical manifestation.
Sd/-
Sath_Path

@Spence, Hi
Continuing on my earlier response to your lengthy revert to me
Even an imperfect master may display all the attributes, inspire in the same way, evoke the same feeling in one as what you prescribe to a perfect master.
Also no shortage of spiritual master (including imperfect too) preaching about shabd even initiating disciples to the 5 words.
So stick to what appeals to you. Hold your views recognising the inherent limitations.

@Trevor
Like your masters Huzur and GSD?
All the way back to Melchisadeck and long before
without making new karma, whatever THEY do,
always out. of kal’s scope
777
Posted by: ❤️💥❤️ | March 06, 2020 at 05:56 PM
@777
I don’t doubt what you say though I am not initiated into santmat. But I do appreciate that it’s far more reasonable, believable and equitable that the forms world religions are at the moment.
Honestly, My post was just to draw out the hypocrisy of brother Spence where now he confirms GSD being GIHF but in tens of his other posts calls him just a stage actor, just another fallible human who is already a victim of greed and ego. And why just GSD? In one of his posts he has referred to one great past RSSB master a beautiful swindler

@Satsangis
So Good Sweet Feel. going there. always, Being there already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qsXzUVan2M&list=OLAK5uy_kYix5_bxBCzb39IzSaJ6GT6uTV2MQuCpo&fbclid=IwAR1Bf8yr15XLixBYATEtA5lpvzoTpZwmge7fPVHBe2vsFzLmdvtV7XgpEdg&app=desktop
777

Hi Sonia
“I think people are the energy but the Source is energy. Meaning it doesn’t judge.”
When an innocent child says what they see we don’t say the child judges. They are just speaking what they see. But adults teach that child to be silent. Or to say different words. The adults teach that child about self – interest. And about judging.
Adults who have no problem opining night and day in their own self – interest tell that child not to judge, who has no capacity to judge. But in truth neither do the adults.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 07, 2020 at 04:08 AM
Right now all that’s going through my head is the theme song to MASH. There’s a point where nothing matters. All these words, ideas, beliefs. At the end of the day we all sleep. At the end of life we all die. Whatever helps you get through the day and through life is what people cling to.
But in the end, we’re all dead.

It’s true, Hope is the dragon eating its tail. Nobody really cares about any of us except ourselves. We didn’t choose to live in a world of pain. If there is some fairy tale God out there he’s doing a really shit job.

I feel like religion is just one lengthy exercise in making excuses for the “Creator”.

I don’t believe in God. I’ve never seen any proof. Sure, there are different types of energy, but there is no all seeing, all knowing God who bothers “himself” with life in this world… or any other world if there are any.
Imagination is a very powerful thing.

Life finally starts making sense once you realize there is no God.

some fairy tale God out there he’s doing a really shit job.
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 07, 2020 at 01:50 PM
That shitter is YOU
YOU created all this
Stop the mind as long there might be an offer and U will know
killing the body is stipid when the mind is the culprit
and will stay with you
Kill the bastard and fill yourself with pleasure
777

Well… I guess I should leave a little room for doubt since technically I’m an agnostic and I think Hazelton’s book is more grounded in reality than anything I’ve read in a long time.

An agnostic is somebody, not at all interested in this kind of stuff!

Hi 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
You wrote
“The categories are just your judgements basis
the figure you have built in your mind through studying the literature available about the Satguru; just as we all do in our own ways.”
Rather than attempt to mind read or project your own approach onto me, may I suggest you would be better served taking an inquisitive strategy?
Something like this…
‘Spence, I don’t believe any of the shit you wrote. I believe my own shit. But just out of curiosity, to go maybe a microscopic degree beyond my own shit, which by the way I consider a waste of time, and hate doing, just what is the basis for your descriptions of the True Saints? I won’t pretend to have that answer, since I don’t know you, can’t read your mind, and I don’t pretend I’m all knowing… ”
And my answer wold be that the answer was already contained above.
When you meet such a person, your standards will change. It is because I have that I write as I do. Without that association I would not have written those things. I would have no experience to base those statements upon. But it is only association. I’m not inventing the weather. I’m just describing what I’ve witnessed.
There is no other way. So just be receptive and let life be your teacher. Submit to life, honor life.
If you don’t believe such people exist, then for you they won’t. If you want to find such a friend and are humble before creation, before the divine in yourself, truly submit to the divine in earnest, then the curtain will be pulled back. You will do the pulling, and the True Saints will be right there.
Your job is not to belittle different views from your own. nor to swallow them. It is to use them to investigate your own thinking. And your experience. Have you met anyone yet who even comes close to the description I’ve given? They are out there.
Regardless of whether they have power over your soul, which they would never exercise, these are the sort of noble, devoted, inclusive, humble and kind folks in whose company we are healed and inspired to grow.

Hi Um
You wrote
“Imagine some of these saints meeting each other all having that desire to be more humble than the other.”
Real humility has nothing to do with anyone else. It’s not a competition. Between you and the Lord, there is no one else. So your humility and submission is in private to the divine within yourself, and the divine you see in all others. We are serving the perfection deep within everyone.
What you have in the true Saints is universal brotherhood / sisterhood. So their humility and service is towards everyone, noble and ignoble. They are more interested in helping heal the poor and sick than spending any time at all with those in positions of power or authority. They have communion with those who are receptive. That’s where they find God’s love in abundance. And they are the servants of those who are weak, disabled, forgotten. They are the hidden bricks that hold up the entire building invisibly. They are the foundation of this creation and every other.

Hi Trevor
You wrote
“Honestly, My post was just to draw out the hypocrisy of brother Spence where now he confirms GSD being GIHF but in tens of his other posts calls him just a stage actor, just another fallible human who is already a victim of greed and ego. And why just GSD? In one of his posts he has referred to one great past RSSB master a beautiful swindler”
You may have missed something, or maybe I have.
“now he confirms GSD being GIHF”
Can you please point to where I have recently, aka “now..” made this claim?
There are true Saints, but they assume no title, no position of authority. Never allow themselves to be called guru and certainly not Master, nor even Satsangi. Just brother or sister, or simply friend.
As for someone being God in Human Form, each of us has that within us. We should all strive to live up to it, to become that. The real Master is that divinity within ourselves.

Hi Sonia
You wrote
“Right now all that’s going through my head is the theme song to MASH. There’s a point where nothing matters.”
That is just one single point. We live in a multi – verse.
Ask you mind why it’s choosing to rest on that point. Since you can pick any available point, why not try on a few others?
But if “nothing matters” works for you, live that dream. You could build a home in that. A tiny one where there is nothing to loose.
But if there is nothing to loose, why not think big? Believe in unicorns! Nothing matters, right? Then what would you like to matter?
Something inide you does matter. Try to find it. Hidden treasure.
You wrote ” I think Hazelton’s book is more grounded in reality than anything I’ve read in a long time.” But if nothing matters maybe that reality is not a good thing.
How about a reality where something does actually matter? What would that look like? 😉

“At the end of life we all die.”
Deep.
Really, what does it matter if you won’t be here then?
You are alive today. That’s s miracle!
You are here now.

That shitter is YOU
YOU created all this
Stop the mind as long there might be an offer and U will know
killing the body is stipid when the mind is the culprit
and will stay with you
Kill the bastard and fill yourself with pleasure
777
Posted by: 🤶. 7.🤶 | March 07, 2020 at 04:26 PM
What mind? To many in here mind is just that shitty grey lump with billions of fired up neurons.
Go brain dead is it? Is that the solution? 🤣🤣

Life finally starts making sense once you realize there is no God.
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 07, 2020 at 01:58 PM
Good for you. I hope this will be an unshakable belief you hold.

I don’t believe in God. I’ve never seen any proof.
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 07, 2020 at 01:56 PM
Someone in here made this interest remark – countering this.
There is no tomorrow for nobody has ever seen proof of a tomorrow.
Is there gonna be 8th March 2020 @ Sonia?

@Spence,
I like the idea of unicorns. 😊
🦄🦄🦄

Someone in here made this interest remark – countering this.
There is no tomorrow for nobody has ever seen proof of a tomorrow.
Is there gonna be 8th March 2020 @ Sonia?
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 07, 2020 at 07:52 PM
I guess we’ll have to wait and see…

You may have missed something, or maybe I have.
“now he confirms GSD being GIHF”
Can you please point to where I have recently, aka “now..” made this claim?
There are true Saints, but they assume no title, no position of authority. Never allow themselves to be called guru and certainly not Master, nor even Satsangi. Just brother or sister, or simply friend.
As for someone being God in Human Form, each of us has that within us. We should all strive to live up to it, to become that. The real Master is that divinity within ourselves.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 07, 2020 at 06:52 PM
As for your claim…. I leave it to you to find out in which post of yours you make it. Tough job maybe because your posts are not just lengthy and numerous but….
Maybe there is are a couple of lessons to learn for you in your search.

You are alive today. That’s s miracle!
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 07, 2020 at 07:14 PM
Miracle!!! Absolute bizarre and detached from reality; when life is a curse and for humans also an opportunity.
And being alive today, tomorrow or until one such moment being just a consequence/effect.

@ Spence
Bricks ….
It reminds me of some words he said to me and that stayed with me ever since:
To give credit to the bricks in the roof, you need bricks in the foundation.
For this creation to continue these bricks are needed.
On asking what happens to those bricks in the foundation … he, on a low voice said, that the whole building remains part and parcel of the creator.
Since that day all worries about why some are called and others not have gone.
Some saints are here to have this creation going, set examples of doing good, make life more comfortable for fellow human beings and others show the path how to leave it all behind.

Hi Trevor
You wrote
“And being alive today, tomorrow or until one such moment being just a consequence/effect.”
But what is the cause? And what is the effect?
If the effect is that you marvel at the incredible awesomeness of reality, then life is not a curse for you at all.
You wrote
” when life is a curse and for humans also an opportunity.”
Why only an opportunity for humans?
What system of belief do you operate from?
What is your chosen reality?

Hi Um
You wrote, quite beautifully
“On asking what happens to those bricks in the foundation … he, on a low voice said, that the whole building remains part and parcel of the creator.
” Since that day all worries about why some are called and others not have gone.
“Some saints are here to have this creation going, set examples of doing good, make life more comfortable for fellow human beings and others show the path how to leave it all behind.”
The True Saints are the ones keeping it going, nearly invisibly. And they are the only path home that actually works.
But they refuse any titles at all. The flags waving at the tops of the building attract many people. We all want to be there at the top.
We pass so many along the bottom who wield the entire power of creation every day. They are literally power, yet appear powerless, transparent.
And they are the true path back. But to see them, to befriend one, we sometimes need teachers to point the way. Because we have lost our intuitive capacity, because we desire things and resonate now with those things, having lost our capacity to resonate with love itself.
So we go to a play about God, and listen to actors on a stage. And we think the play is real and the actors are real. With the actor of King Lear parcels out his Kingdom to his daughters we think mistakenly that if we become friends of the actor, we too can get some of his kingdom.
But he’s just an actor. He doesn’t have that kingdom.
We look to authority, to good stage actors, though they wield no power themselves.
At some point we must understand the reality of the lesson and separate that from the actor.
Usually that is after we have met a true Saint. They become our standard. But that can only happen after we meet them. Until then we can be receptive.
The ones at the bottom are already home. They work here but they don’t live here. They are one with the divine 24/7. Their simple lives are a clue. Their consistancy, reliability, is a tell.
And when they are done, when they leave their shell here, they are already there with God, eigth region.
They are the ones with the power to take anyone back, and the only true gateway. Or more precisely, the ones who can help us go through that gate within ourselves.
Because of their humility and their near invisibility, we may not see or understand the true Saints, and so we need stage actors to learn from, to praise. We May go through several different teachers, Gurus, schools of meditation.
At some point we get a real Saint as a true friend. But they aren’t a formal teacher and have no school. Our true Friend, might actually point us to a Guru, we might be directed to go see a play and the stage actor as part of our development. A true Saint may have done that for our own progress.
But at some point we realize who the True Saint actually is.

It’s March 8, 2020. Tomorrow did come. Proof of calendars.

Hi Trevor
You wrote
“And being alive today, tomorrow or until one such moment being just a consequence/effect.”
But what is the cause? And what is the effect?
If the effect is that you marvel at the incredible awesomeness of reality, then life is not a curse for you at all.
You wrote
” when life is a curse and for humans also an opportunity.”
Why only an opportunity for humans?
What system of belief do you operate from?
What is your chosen reality?
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 08, 2020 at 07:09 AM
@spence, Hi
Is your system of belief really the Santmat path for honestly while you claim it to be most of your utterances makes me doubt you understand it.
Btw Santmat explicitly provides clarity on what you seek from me.

I like the idea of unicorns. 😊
🦄🦄🦄
Posted by: Sonia | March 07, 2020 at 09:01 PM
The Lernaean Hydra is so much better.
And in real life the spider and it’s web.

Nice chakra entanglement
https://www.facebook.com/thesaltoftheearthcogic/videos/547260022574321/?v=547260022574321
Humans have so many enticement possibilities
777

🦄. T Y. Sonya
We are ALL. The Almighty
doing whatever HE wants
777
ps
Spence
The Mauj has changed

@spence
You say “Rather than attempt to mind read or project your own approach onto me, may I suggest you would be better served taking an inquisitive strategy?”
I am a firm believer in karma theory. So no free even if it’s unsolicited advice for me. Get the picture?
But maybe you are right in your classifications. After all it’s the modesty of the transformed you (because of your association with some who you categorize as True Saints) that prevents you from claiming that your categorization carries God’s approval.
Jerks like me do extremely well spiritually (cant divulge details)associating with stage actors like Hazur and GSD and that beautiful swindler (in your words) a.k.a. Sawan Singhji. So hey its best you hold on to your views and do enjoy your Sunday.
@ Trevor,
You say to @Spence “Maybe there is are a couple of lessons to learn for you in your search.”
Maybe one worthy lesson that hopefully will be picked up is – repeating a ridiculous notion ad nauseam doesn’t even make it sound plausible.
sd/-
Sath_Path

@ Spence
Prof. B sitting next to one of what you call “stage actors”, said”
The pull must come from within and if it is not there it is just not there and there is nothing you can do.
wise words
Within the framework of teachings of the saints as they come to us through books of those who are honored as such …. in their own days all what you call “stage actors” …. there is nothing to be found that supports your point of view on saints, and what they are here for.
Nothing of what you say, I ever came across when reading Kabir, Nanak or Mevlana Rumi, peace be upon him.
That doesn’t mean you are wrong, or that it is not there, but I never found it.
Your way is the way of doing good to fellow human beings … that is what I have heard in churches, and public debates applauding Mother Theresa.

Go brain dead is it? Is that the solution? 🤣🤣
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 07, 2020 at 07:43 PM
Tou know what I ment. – Thinking – Stop it at will
Easy. with Love!
777

Hi Um
It isn’t expected that everyone would find a true Saint. The stage actors have their role to play. And their followers are happy to bow before them, to bow low, and the lower they bow, the prouder they are. Proud to serve the King on the stage. Proud to claim they have God in their pocket. With each public cry “I am nothing!” before their costumed actor on the stage, grows their pride. The height of the stage, the decibels of the speakers the measure of their pride.
But the True Saint has no authority over you. It is they who prostrate themselves before you. They give you nothing to be proud of. Just love.
“Brother, I’ve seen some
Astonishing sights:
A lion keeping watch
Over pasturing cows;
A mother delivered
After her son was;
A guru prostrated
Before his disciple;
Fish spawning
On treetops;
A cat carrying away
A dog;
A gunny-sack
Driving a bullock-cart;
A buffalo going out to graze,
Sitting on a horse;
A tree with its branches in the earth,
Its roots in the sky;
A tree with flowering roots.
This verse, says Kabir,
Is your key to the universe.
If you can figure it out.”
Kabir

When there is an actor, everyone then becomes an actor.

there is nothing you can do.
We go where or heart is!
But if by chance you cross the Saint’s Path
HE CAN CHANGE THAT
Rumi
“The Kings Falcon , without a reason; has landed on Your Shoulder”
777

Mother Theresa.
Posted by: Um | March 08, 2020 at 12:01 PM
You referred to Theresa. She is actually Saint Theresa having been given that TITLE by none other than the HEAD of the Church and SOVEREIGN of the Vatican City State. What’s also fantastic is that she turns saint after she is dead. LoL.
Oh Lord please forgive me for belittling atleast two True Saints in my post. LoL

Hi Trevor
You write
“Btw Santmat explicitly provides clarity on what you seek from me.”
You misunderstand. I wasn’t asking about Sant Mat mythology, but yours.
Are you saying your are an RSSB Satsangi?

Mother Theresa……
Posted by: Um | March 08, 2020 at 12:01 PM
You referred to Theresa. She is actually Saint Theresa having been given that TITLE by none other than the HEAD of the Church and SOVEREIGN of the Vatican City State. What’s also fantastic is that she turns saint after she is dead. LoL.
Oh Lord please forgive me for belittling atleast two True Saints in my post. LoL
Posted by: Trevor Smith | Mar 8, 2020 1:22:37 PM

This comment caught my interest…
“The Mauj has changed
Posted by: 🦄 7🦄”
Such is life…
“Mauj is an Urdu word, it means “wave, surge, enjoyment, ecstasy, caprice, plenty” in English.”
“One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it’s worth watching.”
– Unknown

@ Trevor,
You say to @Spence “Maybe there is are a couple of lessons to learn for you in your search.”
Maybe one worthy lesson that hopefully will be picked up is – repeating a ridiculous notion ad nauseam doesn’t even make it sound plausible.
sd/-
Sath_Path
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | March 08, 2020 at 10:58 AM
@Sath_Path, Hi
Are you a mind reader too? for it can’t be just a coincidence that you strike a bullseye about the lesson to learn I had in mind Creepy this is.

When there is an actor, everyone then becomes an actor.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 08, 2020 at 01:15 PM
Bang on…..As an actor I go by the name Shahrukh Khan. Google me if you wish

Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | March 08, 2020 at 10:58 AM
@Sath_Path, Hi
Are you a mind reader too? for it can’t be just a coincidence that you strike a bullseye about the lesson to learn I had in mind Creepy this is.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 08, 2020 at 01:48 PM
Yes, 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 is a mind reader. He is bewitching, beguiling and very dangerous indeed.
He’s like an orb spider on LSD. Don’t underestimate his abilities.
😉

Can you pleeeeez explain this —————> 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
BTW, my husband said that at Satsang the NRI who attended February’s session said that GSD was all serious fire and brimstone.
Very fitting. It is the end of days…

What is Swami without Radha?

You misunderstand. I wasn’t asking about Sant Mat mythology, but yours.
Are you saying your are an RSSB Satsangi?
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 08, 2020 at 01:23 PM
@spence, Hi
I follow Satsukrit. It’s a sublime(but surely absolute mythology for you). Only a handful privileged ordained to have it revealed to them. Don’t bother to look it up. The revelation in the present time isn’t through written text, spoken languages, some physical initiation etc.
Santmat mythology!!!!!!! Interesting you refer to it as a myth.. Probably explains your abysmal understanding of your Master, his predecessors and successor.
Good night.

@ When there is an actor, everyone then becomes an actor.
Do you mean “The play’s the thing” ?
(A ruse by an actor to elicit truth or something else)

Can you pleeeeez explain this —————> 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
BTW, my husband said that at Satsang the NRI who attended February’s session said that GSD was all serious fire and brimstone.
Very fitting. It is the end of days…
Posted by: Sonia | March 08, 2020 at 11:36 PM
@Sonia, Hi
SATSANGS:
At Satsangs he is always serious. Atleast in India. So nothing new ya. The degree varies from dead serious to super dead serious when he decides to hammer us all for not attending to our meditation and highlight how ungrateful we all are to that Almighty. Not one satsang of his where I havent had to hang my head in shame. You see I am an initiate of the worst kind. Maybe this NRI begins to realise this now.
Q&A:
Yes he has been sober during the Q&A’s since his wife’s demise. But that’s on expected lines. This kind of stands out for his behavior / responses during Q&A bordered on over-indulgence. A shocking transformation in personality from satsangs earlier in the day. Hopefully he will be back to it soon.
And;
Honestly can’t remember why I came up with 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈. But it was somehow connected with your posts then.
Sd/-
Sath_Path

What is Swami without Radha?
Posted by: Sonia | March 08, 2020 at 11:37 PM
@Sonia, Hi.
Not a worrisome question at all. Instead Radha should be shitting bricks on – What is Radha without Swami. As per Santmat – Radha is incomplete; even akin to a widow.
Oops but Santmat is just a myth accordingly to a knowledgeable source. LoL So this could be your comforter in time to come.
Sd/-
Sath_Path

Yes, 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 is a mind reader. He is bewitching, beguiling and very dangerous indeed.
He’s like an orb spider on LSD. Don’t underestimate his abilities.
😉
Posted by: Sonia | March 08, 2020 at 11:09 PM
@Sonia, Hi.
Thank you for your kind words and lovely complements. Much appreciated for the complements season has been facing a severe drought for sometime now. 🤣🤣🤣
Sd/-
Sath_Path

He’s like an orb spider on LSD.
Posted by: Sonia | March 08, 2020 at 11:09 PM
I liked this the most. Just a small correction though – I am an orb spider on LSD
Sometime you should visit my website too.

@Spence , Trevor
Should I Repeat my little essay
“This is How it works : . . .”
title
“What would an All Powerful, all possessing Being . . still desire . . , YES. DESIRE. etc. ”
for the Third time
but for not irritating Brian, you may google it
I will RE-place only on request!
777

“Mauj is an Urdu word, it means “wave, surge, enjoyment, ecstasy, caprice, plenty” in English.”
said JEN
Bt look the indexes of Sant Mat books
“The Divine Order”. or “Command”
so : the MauJ changed
Isn’t that very clear today?

But if by chance you cross the Saint’s Path
HE CAN CHANGE THAT
Rumi
“The Kings Falcon , without a reason; has landed on Your Shoulder”
777
Posted by: 💥 7💥 | March 08, 2020 at 01:20 PM
No @777. I disagree.
There is nothing like ‘by chance’ one crosses the path of a perfect master.
Even a casual glance by a passerby of a perfect master is because it has been first etched into that one’s destiny by the Lord. Only then does this event occurs and the path is changed forever for even a passerby……
So magnificent is the benefit.
Sd/-
Sach_Path

It was Rumi paraphrased this time
it is in an earlier comment :
“When the ocean comes to you as a lover,”
I think we are both right , . . we 3
777

Sonia are you aware all satsangs in Dera have been cancelled due to the virus till May?

It’s March 8, 2020. Tomorrow did come. Proof of calendars.
Posted by: anami | March 08, 2020 at 08:32 AM
Was it about proof of calendars? Not for me atleast.
And could it be tomorrow does not really exist until it becomes today? Just like this sentence didn’t until I wrote it.

The Mauj is..”We have no free will”..
We think so,because we have to go trough a ”will’ what is not ”ours”..
Very strange but so is the Mauj..
;0)
Really.
( I think and feel)

Sonia are you aware all satsangs in Dera have been cancelled due to the virus till May?
Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | March 09, 2020 at 08:50 AM
Hi Jen,
I naturally assumed that to be the case.
My friend who went to the Feb session was allowed in because she left before getting the news that the session had been canceled. She’s an NRI and a little later they let some other NRIs in who arrived unaware the session was cancelled. They allowed them to stay and do seva.

I’m sure all sessions will be cancelled for the rest of 2020 and perhaps beyond for some time. Not to be all doom and gloom but this is only going to get worse before it gets better.
This is impacting everything. First of all, most of the people who attend Hostel 6 sessions are elderly. Second the airlines are struggling on so many fronts. Eventually when they say it’s safe to travel airfare will go up dramatically—much higher than we’re used to. Right now you can get tickets dirt cheap in a lot of airlines but that’s not going to last for long. Dera may have to cancel all its sessions for several years.

Bt look the indexes of Sant Mat books
“The Divine Order”. or “Command”
so : the MauJ changed
Isn’t that very clear today?
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥 7💥🌞🌜 | March 09, 2020 at 04:40 AM
Has ‘The Divine Order’ changed? What’ bit has changed and to what?

Sonia are you aware all satsangs in Dera have been cancelled due to the virus till May?
Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | March 09, 2020 at 08:50 AM
As of now it’s till April actually. And this time it’s for Indian sangat too.
@Sonia,
Cancellations lasting several years….. Na.

I also heard that they cancelled all US weekly Satsang and home Satsang meetings until further notice.

So much for using Satsang centers as a refuge for global crisis. I mean, it would help for victims of natural disasters who lost their homes, but a pandemic is another thing. Unless of course they eventually use them as temporary hospitals. Or for quarantines…
That would actually be very, very helpful. 🤔
If this virus kills .05 percent of the global population that would be approx 4 million people. Which may sound like a lot but it doesn’t live up to Biblical end of the world standards.
So, it’s NOT the end of times! 😃 We’re not all going to die!!!! Yayyyyyyyyy
That statistic just made my day. 🧟‍♀️
This is interesting too:
Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
So, wash your hands, don’t touch people and don’t panic. And save your newspapers! Apparently there’s a global shortage of toilet paper.
Of all things…

He’s like an orb spider on LSD.
Posted by: Sonia | March 08, 2020 at 11:09 PM
I liked this the most. Just a small correction though – I am an orb spider on LSD
Sometime you should visit my website too.
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | March 09, 2020 at 02:24 AM
What’s you’re web address?
BTW, GSD is coming to Fayetteville August 1st and 2nd. At least, I was just told by the “phone tree” that’s the plan for now. August 1st is His birthday and another good family friend. August 2nd is the birthday of the phone tree friend who just called me. August 3rd was my grandmother’s birthday, the 6th is another family member’s and the 9th is my Dad’s and another good friend.
Leos!!! 🦁
I find it strange that every single one of these people all share certain pronounced traits.
There has to be something more to the stars than just holes poked in the stratosphere so that we can breath. (That only makes sense if you’ve seen the Charlie Brown and snoopy meme 😊)

What is Swami without Radha?
Posted by: Sonia | March 08, 2020 at 11:37 PM
@Sonia, Hi.
Not a worrisome question at all. Instead Radha should be shitting bricks on – What is Radha without Swami. As per Santmat – Radha is incomplete; even akin to a widow.
Oops but Santmat is just a myth accordingly to a knowledgeable source. LoL So this could be your comforter in time to come.
Sd/-
Sath_Path
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | March 09, 2020 at 02:01 AM
You speak to me in riddles.
🤨

You already crossed the path of a true Saint. But you looked away.
So then you got the stage actor.
And now you are rock solid certain!
No one can doubt your love of the stage actor. They are God!
But where was your love before they were crowned?
So, it is the role you are in love with. The actor as actor. The pagentry! The spectacle! Look, there passes the holy of holies!
The person behind the role means nothing to you. Does anyone really care?
Where was your love before they were assigned?
Face it. You are just loving yourself. Why not just do that?
And leave God to the mystics and the true Saints.
Wave your little colored flag at the prom king and queen.

@ 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
There’s nothing comfortable about this world. You know continuously amazes me over and over and over and over and over again??? How little you know me.
Just when I think you understand, just when I think you’ve finally gotten it, I realize you don’t know. I should be the guru because you are CLUELESS.

@ 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
Ignore my last statement, it’s not you. It’s everything.

@ When there is an actor, everyone then becomes an actor.
Maybe my reference to Shakespeare’s “The play’s the thing”
was a bit obscure. That quote comes from Hamlet who inserts
a few telltale lines in a play to elicit the truth about whether
his uncle, who’s in the audience, murdered his father.
Thus the stage actor’s ruse initiates the real drama and the rest
of the cast unwittingly play their roles, all in a grander drama to
find the truth. So, when the curtain falls, there’s value to the stage
actor going off-script if the truth is at long last revealed. The role
of the mystic stage actor has become a magnificent one.

And leave God to the mystics and the true Saints.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 09, 2020 at 04:31 PM
Stop thy rants I sayth
For I belong to My Creation and not to the mystics and certainly not to who YOU believe are true saints.
My Creation is a Stage …. You dare forget this for even a moment.

I am an orb spider on LSD. Sometime you should visit my website too.
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | March 09, 2020 at 02:24 AM
What’s you’re web address?
Posted by: Sonia | March 09, 2020 at 02:07 PM
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/278730664412936126/?%24ios_deeplink_path=pinterest%3A%2F%2Fpin%2F278730664412936126&%24android_deeplink_path=pinterest%3A%2F%2Fpin%2F278730664412936126&amp_client_id=amp-dAaz9bfrKc-eG8EA_EVXUw&utm_source=168&utm_medium=2160&current_page_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fmfenguita%2Finternet%2F&install_id=4566e0ee98c4468682c7750a29a3ff61&%24fallback_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F278730664412936126%2F&_branch_match_id=765782949616594890
Take care.
Sd/-
Sath_Path

Stop thy rants I sayth
For I belong to My Creation and not to the mystics and certainly not to who YOU believe are true saints.
My Creation is a Stage …. You dare forget this for even a moment.
Posted by: The One who humans call GOD | March 09, 2020 at 09:12 PM
Hey, wait a minute. I don’t know who you think you are but this is MY creation. Actually, this is like the ghetto (I’m not taking credit for this shit hole part of the universe) but the original creation project was pretty amazing. Then you get one bad subcontractor and everything goes to hell…

@ Hey, wait a minute. I don’t know who you think you are but this is MY creation.
@ Actually, this is like the ghetto (I’m not taking credit for this shit hole part of the
@ universe) but the original creation project was pretty amazing. Then you get one
@ bad subcontractor and everything goes to hell…
Sonia… love it 🙂

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/278730664412936126/?%24ios_deeplink_path=pinterest%3A%2F%2Fpin%2F278730664412936126&%24android_deeplink_path=pinterest%3A%2F%2Fpin%2F278730664412936126&amp_client_id=amp-dAaz9bfrKc-eG8EA_EVXUw&utm_source=168&utm_medium=2160&current_page_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fmfenguita%2Finternet%2F&install_id=4566e0ee98c4468682c7750a29a3ff61&%24fallback_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F278730664412936126%2F&_branch_match_id=765782949616594890
Take care.
Sd/-
Sath_Path
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | March 09, 2020 at 10:21 PM
That looks dangerous. Doesn’t look like you have many “guests”. Hostages but no guests. Have you considered inviting someone over without scaring the shit out of them first??? I hear that works really well. Your hosting skills leave a lot to be desired. But I believe in you. You can do it!!
And remember the chai!

Not a worrisome question at all. Instead Radha should be shitting bricks on – What is Radha without Swami. As per Santmat – Radha is incomplete; even akin to a widow.
Oops but Santmat is just a myth accordingly to a knowledgeable source. LoL So this could be your comforter in time to come.
Sd/-
Sath_Path
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | March 09, 2020 at 02:01 AM
Well, maybe I’m a black widow.
This sounds about right:
“The Black Widow spider does not spin the pretty webs, instead she will spin the thick jumbles looking cobweb. These webs catch beetles, flies, grasshoppers, moths and other spiders. These spiders, although a little scary, have enemies, as well.”
I don’t know why I’m harassing you so much today… but carry on with your fancy web spinning.

1) Hey, wait a minute. I don’t know who you think you are
2) this is MY creation.
Posted by: Sonia | March 09, 2020 at 10:36 PM
On point 1…. Keep it that wsy because I am way beyond mankind’s comprehension.
On point 2…… I could exercise one of the two options with me. First, let you carry on with the notion that it’s your creation. So basically maintain status quo or second, actually discard this creation in your favour. Anyways it’s just one of my numerous creations and one which doesn’t make me feel proud – especially the human race there.
Will let you know shortly (measured on my timescale)

And leave God to the mystics and the true Saints.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 09, 2020 at 04:31 PM
Stop thy rants I sayth
For I belong to My Creation and not to the mystics and certainly not to who YOU believe are true saints.
My Creation is a Stage …. You dare forget this for even a moment.
Posted by: The One who humans call GOD | March 09, 2020 at 09:12 PM
Rest assured GOD even you shall be preached – about how wrong or little is your understanding about yourself and your physical manifestation on Earth.

1) Hey, wait a minute. I don’t know who you think you are
2) this is MY creation.
Posted by: Sonia | March 09, 2020 at 10:36 PM
On point 1…. Keep it that wsy because I am way beyond mankind’s comprehension.
On point 2…… I could exercise one of the two options with me. First, let you carry on with the notion that it’s your creation. So basically maintain status quo or second, actually discard this creation in your favour. Anyways it’s just one of my numerous creations and one which doesn’t make me feel proud – especially the human race there.
Will let you know shortly (measured on my timescale)
Posted by: The One who humans call GOD | March 10, 2020 at 01:20 AM
🤣🤣🤣
I SERIOUSLY hope you’re joking about ALL of this. I WAS!!! 🤣🤣🤣

Will let you know shortly (measured on my timescale)
Posted by: The One who humans call GOD | March 10, 2020 at 01:20 AM
Well, by all means please do exercise option 2. I hate it here.

Well, maybe I’m a black widow. This sounds about right:
Posted by: Sonia | March 10, 2020 at 12:51 AM
Daddy long-legs spider at Beas is keeping a watch on you.

@The One who humans call GOD
Wait a minute, I don’t think we’re on the same page here…
Don’t discard this place in my favour. I don’t want it. Very ghetto here. It’s run its course. You don’t strike me as the slumlord type (“your” other real estate is much more desirable) so either you’ll renovate or tear down and build something else.
Either way, leave me out of it.
At the end of the day you’re going to do whatever it is you want to do. But don’t let things get out of hand again like they did with this last development. 🤭

https://veblr.com/m/watch/36149c967437cd/coronavirus-cancel-dera-beas

Well, maybe I’m a black widow. This sounds about right:
Posted by: Sonia | March 10, 2020 at 12:51 AM
Daddy long-legs spider at Beas is keeping a watch on you.
Posted by: The Brazilian Wanderer | March 10, 2020 at 10:24 AM
😂
I could take that a couple of ways. Either he’s cautiously looking out for himself, or he’s looking out for me.
I’ve decided to go a more natural approach and have given up pest control. Maybe zero landscaping or only planting native species. Not sure which.
I was listening to an entomologist and ethicist on NPR today. Got me thinking about what’s natural, what’s healthy and what’s not.

Rest assured GOD even you shall be preached – about how wrong or little is your understanding about yourself and your physical manifestation on Earth.
Posted by: John Cooper | March 10, 2020 at 06:00 AM
Hahaha.
John, you state the obvious. Sermonizing God is bound to happen, with large portion thereof dedicated to true saints vs stage actors.

Well, maybe I’m a black widow. This sounds about right:
Posted by: Sonia | March 10, 2020 at 12:51 AM
Daddy long-legs spider at Beas is keeping a watch on you.
Posted by: The Brazilian Wanderer | March 10, 2020 at 10:24 AM
Is it the International Day of Spiders today with we having four varieties already amongst us namely
Orb
Black widow
Daddy long-legs
The Brazilian Wandering
The last two being of special interest to me. The Brazilian Wandering spider – the world’s most dangerous (apparently even more than the second listed) and ofcourse Daddy Long-legs who are reported to feed enthusiastically on black widows.

SSonia claimed :
I don’t believe in God. I’ve never seen any proof.
That would be a rather stupid God
,if you could figure Him out
🌜🌞💥 7💥🌞🌜!!!

Daddy Long-legs who are reported to feed enthusiastically on black widows.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 10, 2020 at 01:42 PM
What??? 🧐 Hmm. I didn’t realize that. Well, what clever little commenters we are. 🤨 And I just wrote that 🕷 a really long letter…
Oh well. I’m going home now.
Side note from treehugger.com:
It’s a delicate ecosystem we live in and most of its parts are connected – remove one player and the repercussions can can ripple out to all corners. Consider honeybees and the fact that around one-third of the food we eat comes courtesy, one way or another, through the pollination afforded by them.
Spiders do many good deeds for us squeamish humans, one of their main contributions is their appetite for insects. One spider eats 2,000 other insects a year, insects that would be otherwise eating our food crops.
“If spiders disappeared, we would face famine,” says Norman Platnick, who studies arachnids at New York’s American Museum of Natural History. “Spiders are primary controllers of insects. Without spiders, all of our crops would be consumed by those pests.”

@ I don’t believe in God. I’ve never seen any proof.
@@ That would be a rather stupid God , if you could figure Him out.
A brutal mystic might counter it’s the other way around
without “figuring” yourself out first. What within you does
the figuring and where did it go wrong…

1)The person behind the role means nothing to you. Does anyone really care?
2) Where was your love before they were assigned?
3) Wave your little colored flag at the prom king and queen.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 09, 2020 at 04:31 PM
1) On this world stage, sheer stupidity if the person/individual begins to matter.
2) My/our love is always with me/us, before and even after. And btw they come already assigned!!!!
3) better to wave little coloured flags, knowingly, at the prom king/queen, than be under a misplaced belief of who a true saint is.

You already crossed the path of a true Saint. But you looked away.
So then you got the stage actor.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 09, 2020 at 04:31 PM
Really did we??? Amazing. How do you know this? Aaah, because the individual we have doesn’t fit your bill of who a true saint is. Are you the enlightened one to proclaim this?
And of course the true saints you surround yourself with aren’t actors cast in a role. Right. I hope they aren’t soon Don’t tell me reel actors much worse than the ones on stage.
Laughable. Can you put an end to this display of stupidity in your posts.

https://phys.org/news/2020-03-mystery-expansion-universe.html
One mystery solved!
Why is thy universe expanding at different rates, depending upon how you measure it?
Physics professor Lucas Lombriser has come up with an elegant explanation: the measures using microwave radiation around us are part of a bubble 250 light years in diameter. But the reference “candles” stars that are used in the second method are outside this bubble.
If the density of Matter within the bubble is half that of matter outside of it, there is a 95%, or three sigma, confidence interval that the two different rates of expansion would both be accurate.
Yes people say I’m living in a bubble. It’s true. But so are you!

In other words, if you apply force to mass you get acceleration. Twice the acceleration with half the mass. If you throw two stones one with twice the mass of the other, the stone with less mass will accelerate faster than the other stone with greater mass. If you use the same horsepower to pull half the load, you will accelerate twice as fast.

@Spence
The universe is breathing. Inhale… exhale…
😊

I like the idea of unicorns. 😊
🦄🦄🦄
Posted by: Sonia | March 07, 2020 at 09:01 PM
The Lernaean Hydra is so much better.
And in real life the spider and it’s web.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 08, 2020 at 09:46 AM
Oh my… how did I miss this gem??
I see you like Greek dramas. I hope you do realize that my fantasy world of unicorns, rainbows, fairies and mystical enchantment is a far distant universe to your Greek drama fantasy. I’ll be chasing stars and riding moon beams while you’re busy slaying a gruesome poly-headed beast with the help of Iolaus. But remember, the Hydra did get its revenge in the end. Such is the fate of a satisfying Greek tragedy.
I’ll let you in on a little secret, I’m a lover not a fighter. 🤫
As for 🕷 🕷 🕷… the truth is, I’ve been bitten by every poisonous variety native to North America. Some pretty nasty bites and urgent care visits. I’m even allergic to several of the garden variety type that are deemed “harmless”.
In short, spiders don’t like me. They keep me from fully enjoying nature in this world.

The Most Fascinating and Luxurious
aspect of being The Anahabad Shabd
is that you can save from Chaurasi
in a flash all Jeevas you want to save
Delicious is that
starting with giving them the necessary desire to be saved
OMG
What a Path, the Beas Path
777

Speaking of Greek tragedies… Pandora has been wrecking havoc lately. Pretty sure I got the Covid-19 and survived by some twist of fate. I went to see my doctor and he treated me for what appeared to be a bad Sjögrens flare up (I have Sjögrens—usually I don’t have serious symptoms). Anyway, he put me on hydroxychloroquine which for some unknown reason treats Sjögrens and Lupus and RA as well as Malaria. They have used it to treat viruses in past as last resort because the high dosages required can cause liver damage.
So, long story short, soon after the medicine started to relieve my Sjögrens symptoms I fell ill will flu—the absolute worst flu I’ve ever had. So, I tripled my hydroxychloroquine dosage (which is a bit much) and it killed whatever horrible virus I had. Of course, my dad got sick a few days later and stubbornly refuses to go get tested so he’s been ill for about 2 weeks now. He got a script for Tamiflu from a doctor friend without being properly tested. He’s still sick… and stubborn.
In China they are mass producing a form of hydroxychloroquine — actually just chloroquine and having positive results.
Bottom line, be cautious but don’t panic. But don’t be like my dad and DO get treatment!!
Now that I’m pretty sure I’ve built up an immunity to it, I’m free to roam. 🤪

Also, there are things one can take to counter the negative effects chloroquine may have on the liver. Ever since China start using chloroquine to treat people, their rates of new cases and deaths have fallen dramatically.
Read about it!

True Saints are themselves. They dress like you and I. They don’t act on stage. They don’t ask you to parade your issues, display your suffering in front of others. They don’t wear a turban or robes to show how holy they are. They aren’t putting on a show when they come to town. They already live where you live.

True Saints don’t tell a crowd about the personal love and intimacy with them, and point to books with stories about the personal relationship of a beloved Saint and their beloved Disciple, and then explain why that isn’t possible for you.
True Songs actually become your friend. You can actually go to their home and when you invite them, they come to yours. Just like a real human being. It’s what human beings do.
Stage actors say “.. But you don’t need a personal relationship with the Master…. You already have a spiritual relationship with the Master.. So don’t bring me your personal problems… That’s reserved for only those closest to Master, those who have earned that relationship after lifetimes of work, and the Master’s Grace. And don’t send me personal letters. I throw those out. And Children? Keep them away. I don’t listen to their questions… Unless they are in the inner circle…. ”
True Saints are your friend. They listen to whatever you have to say. They offer whatever they have. They love kids. They enjoy children. They honor children as full human beings in their own right, and they have relationships with children that erase barriers of age, title and position.
Raise you standard. You were meant for more than simply being in the audience of a show with stage actors. It’s your life.

@ Now that I’m pretty sure I’ve built up an immunity to it, I’m free to roam
I heard the word reinfection mentioned on some report.
Maybe they were talking about risks of a mutant strain
arising though.

@ Spence
Does a true saint knows he is a saint?
If so, how does he know?

Hi Um
You ask
“Does a true saint knows he is a saint?
If so, how does he know?”
They would never use the title ‘True Saint.’
They never refer to themselves as a Saint.
They know God, they worship God within 24×7 in His Temple, and they are one with every aspect of the inner path 24×7.
And they know about their friends’ condition, their friends ‘ blindness, and inability to hear. They know their inner state.
The True Saints serve their friends as they would a beloved spouse, a beloved brother, sister, child or parent.they serve and heal sick children.
In their presence, their friends hear Shabd ringing clearly day and night. In their presence, their friends see the radiant form of their friend, not just within, but simply looking at their Friend!
In their presence, their friends are drawn to meditation, and in meditation go up to the highest regions, in the company of their Friend. It’s not a long journey at all. But sustaining there amidst life’s challenges is a lifetime’s work. So the friendships are long term friendships.
In their presence, their friends are One. They forget about themselves and only want to help others. They have merged with Shabd, which gives life to all creatures, and so they feel an affinity with all creatures, and want to help as best they can, whenever they can.
The True Saints have become water. They are transparent, one with all nature, and all because they have merged with the ocean. They are the ocean. This they know. But since we are all in that same ocean,though blind and deaf, we are all part of the One. So there are no titles.

@Dungeness
This may be what you read (this one reported from Fortune.com but many news outlets repeat the same news):
“Being reinfected with COVID-19 is possible, said Sharon Lewin, director of the Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity in Melbourne, but such an instance would be “surprising.” It’s possible that patients are not actually being reinfected, but that other factors—misdiagnosis, human error, or faulty tests—are giving that appearance.
Testing done with animal models for SARS, a similar coronavirus, indicates that patients who recover from the disease will have immunity from it. “From what we know of other coronaviruses, you recover, you make an antibody response, and you clear the virus, and then if you rechallenge the animal with the same virus they’re protected,” Lewin said.
Lewin put stocks in explanations other than reinfection, but she emphasized that the virus still has too many unknowns and there are too few reported twice-positive cases to conduct a study or draw a definitive conclusion.”
I have two autoimmune diseases that, as strange as it may sound, are not too problematic if treated properly. But if I don’t take care of my self then they certainly can get out of control.
The virus flu I had hit me really hard because I was just beginning to recover from a very serious and systemic Sjögrens flare coupled with Hashimotos flare (they typically act up at the same time). So, my immune system was still extremely compromised and I honestly felt like I needed to be hospitalized. I’m sure I would have been if I hadn’t had the medication… as well as taking 600mg/day (which is a lot).
Theoretically I should have an antibody response. Whatever I had, the symptoms were the exact same as they are listing for COVID-19.
My dad is at the point where he’s starting to develop pneumonia type symptoms. It’s so ridiculous that he won’t go to the doctor but he says he’s afraid they’ll tell him he has the virus. Honestly, it’s NOT a death sentence unless you ignore symptoms. But he thinks it is. And my mom has adopted some sort of Christian Science approach to healing… so, I don’t know.

Also, there are things one can take to counter the negative effects chloroquine may have on the liver. Ever since China start using chloroquine to treat people, their rates of new cases and deaths have fallen dramatically.
Read about it!
Posted by: Sonia | March 11, 2020 at 02:21 PM
https://factcheck.afp.com/chloroquine-has-not-been-approved-treatment-covid-19

True Saints don’t reject the disabled. They befriend them. They see everyone imprisoned by their limitations and feel great compassion. We are all the same, working to shed the layers.
True Saints desire to remove all barriers between people, by helping their friends remove the barriers within themselves and the divine living principle within. They make such barriers invisible, powerless, meaningless. They invite the disabled to their parties. They will have a refugee family over for Thanksgiving dinner. Their company is sanctuary, filled with the divine music of the spheres, each room radiant and made of windows to the sky.
What makes them perfect, besides the fact that they are the Word, is that they have no standards. All are equal, all are welcome. All are perfect as they are, to their new Friend. They make friends of people in all conditions, and make them perfect instantly by having no standard, no conditions for friendship. No rules for initiation. No initiation. All are accepted. And this is what makes them perfect. That they receive, and serve their friends as Perfect just as they are, including children. Children are not immature, partial adults. They are full and perfect human beings as they are right now.
This is what God In Human Form looks like.

Well, I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I almost think China doesn’t want the rest of the world to know how effective chloroquine is in treating COVID-19. They’ve been rapidly producing mass quantities of the drug recently and ever since they started that their infectious rates and fatalities from the virus have been falling fast.
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/coronavirus-covid-19-choroquine-data/

@Trevor
China is finally getting its outbreak under control.
https://www.shine.cn/biz/economy/2002202403/
However, I’m sure they are more concerned about their own people. In fact, a sacrifice of 3,000 citizens is nothing compared to what damage the COVID-19 can have on the global community.
Sorry, but I work for an American organization that monitors and targets Chinese propaganda and they’re really jaded. Perhaps it’s rubbing off on me.

@ Spence
You did not answer my questions. You gave attributes as you see them.
The baker knows because he has mastered a craft, he learned from someone.
The king knows he is a king because he inherited the throne, was educated as such and accepted by his subjects.
Etc.
Again:
Does a true saint knows he is a saint?
If so, how does he know?

Hi Um
I apologize. I didn’t understand your question.
Your focus on this question is interesting. Water is water. Only those who are not water, looking in from the outside, try to judge, and seek out human verification.
But the real test is meeting with the ocean. Merging with the ocean.
Become one with what you love. Then you have become the thing you are pointing to. And that thing within you will draw you forth.
The Saint knows they are one with the Lord, with Shabd and the highest regions. It is there experience. And when their friends reach this state, they know too.
And their daily work confirms the power they wield in the service of the Father.
Your question is really about how they got there. But you will see that regardless of how they got there the answer to the question of how they know where they are is the same. And the only real answer to anyone else is the same : merge with that, become that.
You wrote…
“The baker knows because he has mastered a craft, he learned from someone.
” The king knows he is a king because he inherited the throne, was educated as such and accepted by his subjects.
Etc.
“Again:
” Does a true saint knows he is a saint?
If so, how does he know?”
Being a student is not a qualifier for graduation. But all of us have our teachers. The True Saint has A True Saint as mentor. Yes.
Having a degree is no evidence that one has mastered their work.
You may refer to Steve Jobs and Bill Gates on that point.
And you may refer to the Varsity Blues scandel to see how degrees can be bought and sold even in the most prestigious organizations.
And while those they serve can attest to it, they are not necessarily the best judges of exactly how advanced their friend really is. Their Friend works with scrupulous focus to eliminate the pedestals, the stage, and never allows that to enter even the minds of their friends. We are all the same at the core.
In the question you ask is the very flaw of the Stage Actors. Their followers need to put them up on stage. They want that distance. And they allow it.
A true Saint dispenses with that at once. They only promise Friendship, ever-abiding, under all circumstances. And naturally we work to reciprocate that friendship. We discover who they are as we develop, as we become that.
When you realize how empty and misleading titles, lineages and organizations are, you will wear that out. If not this life, the next.

Again:
Does a true saint knows he is a saint?
If so, how does he know?
Posted by: um | March 12, 2020 at 03:34 AM
Of course he knows. But only after a Spence certifies that he is one.

One mystery solved!
Why is thy universe expanding at different rates, depending upon how you measure it?
Physics professor Lucas Lombriser has come up with an elegant explanation: the measures using microwave radiation around us are part of a bubble 250 light years in diameter. But the reference “candles” stars that are used in the second method are outside this bubble.
If the density of Matter within the bubble is half that of matter outside of it, there is a 95%, or three sigma, confidence interval that the two different rates of expansion would both be accurate.
Yes people say I’m living in a bubble. It’s true. But so are you!
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 10, 2020 at 08:04 PM
Mystery solved!! Is it? One of the biggest challenge among astrophysicists, cosmologists and others studying the universe solved and no newspaper carries this discovery as it’s headlines!
Isn’t it a ‘hypothesis’ advanced by this theoretical physicist?..And what’s a hypothesis? Hypothesis means a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation. But hey for you it is – the Mystery solved.
Further as per the article,
“IF we were in a kind of gigantic ‘bubble,'” states this professor. Funny you read this to mean we are in a bubble 250 light years in diameter(actually it’s 250million light years per the article).
Then, IF the density was 50% less blah blah.
Jeez so many if’s…… But hey the challenge has been solved so elegantly. LoL
Interestingly the paper titles as “Consistency of the local Hubble constant with the cosmic microwave background”. But probably it’s been wrongly titled as you must rightly state there is a 95%, or three sigma, confidence interval that the ‘two different rates’ of expansion would ‘both be accurate’.
Any scientific basis to back up your assertion? Even thisvphysicist agreeing will do.
The two rates you refer to I presume are the ones based on CMB and local method. But what about the third rate? I am sure the knowledgeable you must be aware of the existence of a third rate too.
Bottom line, certainly you live in a bubble but not us and your oblivity numbs common sense.

Secure site now? 🙂
I always notice those things. 👏

@ spence
In the “Gospel of St John”, Chapter 5 starting with verse 31, page 42, Christ discusses that we only know who a person is for sure etc when there are at least 2 witnesses.
the explanations of MCS are interesting read ….

Hi Um
I’m not sure if John says what you say. There were many witnesses, but people still didn’t believe..
“43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
John 5: 42-47
One more point to consider.
Christ doesn’t praise his predecessor as God. He comes to witness to the Father, not his own teacher as God.
” 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.”
John 5: 36-38
The greatest witness is the experience of the Word in the presence of our Friend. That is the Father’s own testimony.

“43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.”
John 5: 43
This is what the stage actors do. They come in their own name.

Hi Trevor
Here are quotes from the article
“The mystery of Universe expansion has been finally solved. … Existing H0 estimates lie around 70 (km/s)/Mpc (meaning that the universe is expanding 70 kilometers a second more quickly every 3.26 million light-years).”
“Lucas Lombriser, a professor in the Theoretical Physics Department in UNIGE’s Faculty of Sciences, explains: “These two values carried on becoming more precise for many years while remaining different from each other. It didn’t take much to spark a scientific controversy and even to arouse the exciting hope that we were perhaps dealing with a ‘new physics.'” To narrow the gap, professor Lombriser entertained the idea that the universe is not as homogeneous as claimed, a hypothesis that may seem obvious on relatively modest scales. There is no doubt that matter is distributed differently inside a galaxy than outside one. It is more difficult, however, to imagine fluctuations in the average density of matter calculated on volumes thousands of times larger than a galaxy.
The “Hubble Bubble”
“If we were in a kind of gigantic ‘bubble,'” continues professor Lombriser, “where the density of matter was significantly lower than the known density for the entire universe, it would have consequences on the distances of supernovae and, ultimately, on determining H0.”
“All that would be needed would be for this “Hubble bubble” to be large enough to include the galaxy that serves as a reference for measuring distances. By establishing a diameter of 250 million light years for this bubble, the physicist calculated that if the density of matter inside was 50% lower than for the rest of the universe, a new value would be obtained for the Hubble constant, which would then agree with the one obtained using the cosmic microwave background. “The probability that there is such a fluctuation on this scale is one in 20 to one in 5, which means that it is not a theoretician’s fantasy. There are a lot of regions like ours in the vast universe,” says professor Lombriser.. ”

Early Wu style taijiquan (1937)
Classic go with the flow. Here, no concept is needed.
Don’t miss training exercises.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDaV9C0ERP8

Hi Um
One more point from John 5…
“41 “I do not accept glory from human beings, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 4”
Jesus says he does not accept glory from human beings.
No human titles. No official kingship, no human authorized position. No throne, no stage.

OK Bubble Heads,
Quick question, when Julian Johnson describes all those inner regions in his book, did he “go in” to go OUT to see all those regions?? I mean, those stars and galaxies and all that space stuff… where does that lead? Just something I’ve always wondered…

And just BTW, I finally got my dad to take the hydroxychloroquine after nearly two weeks and it is the only thing that has worked. He’s getting better. It only takes 3 or 4 days.
Then my mom came home really sick today. Although she has a very Christian Science approach to taking medicine, after she saw how well my dad was doing in the medicine and how awful she was feeling she asked if she could take the medicine. And this is a woman who just had surgery on her eyes without any anesthesia or pain medicine!! She refused to let them give her medicine. Crazy. The only reason she finally relented to having the surgery is because she can barely see to drive.
China claims it has successfully contained the outbreak of the coronavirus through strict quarantine. But that’s only half true. So, it’s not true.

Hi Trevor
Here are quotes from the article…..
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 12, 2020 at 03:57 PM
Certainly not my requirement. But this might help you in case you decide to read it a couple of times to understand what it says. Maybe then your disconnect would dawn on you.
And in case you have answers to a couple of questions I asked, do revert. A lack of specific revert ——> ignorance.

Jesus says he does not accept glory from human beings.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 12, 2020 at 05:41 PM
Thanks for bringing to light the biggest fraudster in human history – Jesus Christ.
Read again proclaimers of true saints and those very same who place that Jesus Christ as one.
Jesus does not accept glory from humans!!!! Wow.
Who the f*$# did he think he was when he uttered this demeaning/arrogant statement? And I thought True Saints are humility personified and never ever even acknowledge that they are true saints. And here he distinguishes himself as being not a human.
Amazing hypocrisy!!!!!!!
One alleged true saint gone down the drain. Anymore @ Spence ??

43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not:
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 12, 2020 at 03:37 PM
Another piece of arrogant bullshit. How humble of that fraudster to say I come in my Father’s name.
I presume by his Father, he refers to God (he was born of a virgin right). So in order words he states he is God’s representative on this planet. Amazing.
I’d rather have individuals with man given titles, positions, wearing turbans, robes, etc than someone who makes such a humble claim about himself.

Hi Trevor
The only reason for bringing up Jesus is because Um referred to John 5.
No statement about Jesus, simply trying to clarify what is written in that text.
As for your comments on the astrophysics article, I cited it to clarify that the article claimed problem solved and referred to the two primary forms of measurement.

Hi Tenor
You wrote
“I’d rather have individuals with man given titles, positions, wearing turbans, robes, etc than someone who makes such a humble claim about himself.”
I don’t think you understand. Jesus isn’t using his claim as evidence. He discusses the appropriate sources of evidence.
He gives three sources. First, scripture, second John the Baptist, and third, the evidence he sites as the greatest, his works, and exposure to the word.
Those are sources anyone can check for themselves.
Titles, on the other hand, are worthless. They are only evidence of arrogance.

@ Trevor
Have mercy on those who have inner experiences, even if they claim to come in the Lords name.
Maybe you know someone that hears voices or a psychiatrist that deals with these disorders, or had a NDE or just an artificial drug based experience …. talking to them makes it clear that it is almost impossible to distance oneself from the impact and hold the “inner speaker” as a “real” person.

@ Another piece of arrogant bullshit. How humble of that fraudster to say
@ I come in my Father’s name.
That’s the same presumptive arrogance. If God dwells in
all and isn’t just some notional dude up in the sky, every
religious figure “comes in my Father’s name”.

That’s the same presumptive arrogance. If God dwells in
all and isn’t just some notional dude up in the sky, every
religious figure “comes in my Father’s name”.
Posted by: Dungeness | March 13, 2020 at 08:20 AM
Why just only religious figures then? Why not you or anyone else too. Maybe you should start proclaiming this in your city to begin with.
Additionally since you seem to be associated with santmat, any instances of religious persons (santmat is by bunch of true saints ya incld RSSB) associated therewith making such audacious claims about themselves? My understanding, a key feature about true saints is they never claim or even remotely suggest that they ‘come in the Father’s name’

@ Trevor
Have mercy on those who have inner experiences, even if they claim to come in the Lords name.
Posted by: Um | March 13, 2020 at 08:17 AM
I think you misread. As far as I am concerned it’s only about calling out the stupidity being propagated about who a true saint is; especially if this comes from people who themselves aren’t qualified to make any such assessment.

@ Spence
He says that those three sources will not do .., his whole discussion turns around it.
One needs, as is usual in courts 2 witnesses.
He makes it clear that there are only two witnesses that could testimony in his favor, being John the Baptist, his teacher and God, the inner witness … both are not available to the one that seks truth.
What remains is HIS WORD that he had a mission and the needs of the people, be it worldly in terms of getting cured from their disease and others, that seek continuation of their life after death.
Time and again we return to the simple facts that [1] there are people having inner experiences [2] based on that experience some feel forced to openly present themselves as “saviors” [3] there are never people with inner experiences or otherwise that confirm these experiences and the so called commands given in these experiences … as is in the case with all prophets … the most striking example is that of the lord giving land to the hebrews in an experience that abram had, without giving the rest to know that he did do so.
That is in an other way what Faqir chand made us to understand, when he found out that he appeared to help fellow soldiers to help them, and he being unaware of that appearance.
He doesn’t dene these appearances, nor the content … he only states that the conclusion that people draw ipon these experiences is wrong.
Personally I am of the opinion that all these people having inner experiences have something in common, being in the brain or their mental make up, that makes them more prone to these experiences than others and that thhis talent so to say os spread in the population according a gauss curve and people having them are to be found at one of the extreme ends of that curve …. probably related to the capacity to lose oneself in play as a child, or in movies or books when older.

He gives three sources. First, scripture, second John the Baptist, and third, the evidence he sites as the greatest, his works, and exposure to the word.
Those are sources anyone can check for themselves.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 13, 2020 at 07:19 AM
Sure I don’t understand. I am just being real that I (just like most) am utterly incapable of deciphering between a complete and an incomplete master. Unlike you.
Three sources you mention which anyone can check….btw how does one check? Prove to me John And Jesus experienced the Word. Btw my 14 year kid too can sermonize about the word at length.
Jesus Christ vs Gurmeet Ram Rahim
Even Gurmeet Ram Rahim cited similar sources i.e. scriptures, his master (John equivalent) and his exposure to word.
Ram Rahim —–> Modern day Jesus Christ and indeed a True Saint.
Thankfully – 1)he spends a life sentence behind bars and 2) the RSSB Masters do not publicly proclaim having any experience of the Word.

1) The only reason for bringing up Jesus is because Um referred to John 5.
2) As for your comments on the astrophysics article, I cited it to clarify that the article claimed problem solved and referred to the two primary forms of measurement.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 13, 2020 at 07:13 AM
1) this isn’t lost on me and precisely the reason I thanked you for exposing JC though that wasn’t your intention.
2) the article was titled mystery solved. The hypothesis presented by the professor doesn’t suggest it. Then while referencing the article you added your own titbits which probably you have no basis to substantiate. To make it easy for you – all this article says is that if a few ‘IF’s’ hold (as per the hypothesis) and one of the IF’s has a one in four chance, the Hubble constant computed would be consistent with the value for the Hubble constant by the Planck and cosmic background data and not with that obtained by local method. Now the difference between the two isn’t by chance or error (as both have been have now been independently corroborated by other groups) and is being attributed to a missing factor in scientists understanding of the universe. The Hubble constant has this become the focus of a hotly contested battle to discover the nature of this invisible influence.

Jesus says he does not accept glory from human beings.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 12, 2020 at 05:41 PM
Thanks for bringing to light the biggest fraudster in human history – Jesus Christ.
Read again proclaimers of true saints and those very same who place that Jesus Christ as one.
Jesus does not accept glory from humans!!!! Wow.
Who the f*$# did he think he was when he uttered this demeaning/arrogant statement? And I thought True Saints are humility personified and never ever even acknowledge that they are true saints. And here he distinguishes himself as being not a human.
Amazing hypocrisy!!!!!!!
One alleged true saint gone down the drain. Anymore @ Spence ??
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 13, 2020 at 12:03 AM
🤔
The part in the Bible where Jesus says “no one can go to the father except by me”.
That raises some questions. I mean, think about it… is that arrogant? Is he saying there’s no other way? Is he demanding a certain kind of “worship”? And all Christians end their prayers with, “In Jesus name, Amen”. Because Jesus said (according to the Bible) that his followers should ask all things in his name.
But I really don’t know what “historical accounts” of the entire Bible are actually true. Not terribly accurate on most accounts.

YouTube video citing CDC gives preventative ways to keep from catching Coronavirus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT7ghcGy6r0

So, objectively, do we really know for certain this Jesus dude existed and lived in the way the Bible says? I mean, they didn’t have have many reputable media outlets back then (lot of fake news). And just imagine if the current day media covered some of the stuff he is he reported to have done. I’d love to see the public reaction to some self proclaimed god man intimately hanging out with prostitutes. Amongst others sensational headlines that one could draw from numerous biblical accounts. You should ask Bill Maher what he thinks about that. 😂

Hi Trevor:
“Three sources you mention which anyone can check….btw how does one check? Prove to me John And Jesus experienced the Word. Btw my 14 year kid too can sermonize about the word at length.
Trevor, clearly you are looking to pick things apart and missing the point altogether. Everything I’ve written is about finding a True Saint..they are in all parts of the world. How to do it? I’d mentioned earlier that your experience of the Holy Word, Shabd, in their presence, and your own inner experience of movement will be your best evidence.
I only point out that Christ echoes this sentiment, but not to say scripture is any evidence of anything. It may be a rough guideline, but only if you interpret it in a useful, personal way.
I happen to agree with Jesus on this point, that the only evidence that matters is the Father’s own testimony, ie; your experience of His (that is God’s) works in you.
Step back away from personalizing this for a moment. Because the issue isn’t what you are defending, whatever that is, or what you are attacking, which also, I can’t really pinpoint.
The real issue is finding connection with souls around you who are fully connected to that divine principle. Souls who can come and go into this world, or into those higher regions, transported there in the Holy Spirit / Shabd, Nam, Word…the audible life stream. And not only those True Saints, but their friends. Those friends can tell you all about them.
They exist. They have existed long before Sant Mat or RSSB ever was even a thought in anyone’s mind.
This is just by way of explaining what is actually part of nature, part of the population.
Um calls it the Gauss curve, but it’s really the normal population distribution. Within this population are those who are born with this experience. A good teacher helps them develop it.
But the path isn’t the result of work. It already is built into the human frame. Some are more connected, part of their normal sensory and proprioceptive experience.
But as it happens the True Saints, the ones who can help develop that latent capacity, do have certain characteristics. Remarkably similar in their harmlessness, gentleness, patience, kindness, lack of interest in authority, or in any formal organized religion. They shun anything that separates them from you and I, hence no titles, no position of “Teacher”, “Guru”…These are all barriers to intimacy for them.
Therefore searching for a title, a lineage, or an organization as your “teacher” is not going to lead you to that relationship, which is always 1:1, where you will find real and sustained friendship and progress.
But there are many Gurus with titles, many stage actors who try to copy those qualities. Inevitably, they can’t. They fail under any reasonable scrutiny. We love them for their service. They speak to holy scriptures and ancient truths. But they do it from their Harley Davidson, from their Jet, from their Porsche, from their divided efforts to expand their holdings and profits.
They are a mirror, not the sun. They are the lake reflecting, not the sky.

@spence
Is GSD a true saint?
Were Charan, Jagat, Sawan and Jaimal true saints?
Simply answer in Yes or No. Long posts are a complete put off.

@ Why just only religious figures then? Why not you or anyone else too. Maybe you
@ should start proclaiming this in your city to begin with.
Why not… it’s true 🙂 Most however don’t want to risk being
carted off to the nut house or in harsher times being nailed
to the stake. We’d rather listen to the outrageous drivel of
televangelists or worship idols or go numb at the pub.
@ Additionally since you seem to be associated with santmat, any instances of
@ religious persons (santmat is by bunch of true saints ya incld RSSB) associated
@ therewith making such audacious claims about themselves? My understanding,
@ a key feature about true saints is they never claim or even remotely suggest that
@ they ‘come in the Father’s name’
The language has changed but the mystics (not just RSSB ilk)
say the same thing today: God is within you. Following a path
of love and mindfulness, you’ll regain that awareness of what’s
inside you, of who you really are. Stage actor or others are all
on the right path if they point inward and say the truth is there.
Don’t believe any b.s. I say. Follow the path. Prove it for yourself.
Reclaim the God that’s within.

Trevor
You wrote
“Is GSD a true saint?
” Were Charan, Jagat, Sawan and Jaimal true saints?
“Simply answer in Yes or No. Long posts are a complete put off.”
No. They are stage actors.
And I only know this because I’ve met true Saints. You can’t compare the two. They are worlds apart.

YouTube video citing CDC gives preventative ways to keep from catching Coronavirus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT7ghcGy6r0
Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | March 13, 2020 at 11:42 AM
Hi Karim,
Thanks for sharing this. It prompted me to reach out to my cousin who is a well respected epidemiologist. I haven’t spoken to her since we both lived in Atlanta and she was attending Emory.
There is so much that cannot be reported in the media for national security reasons. There is much behind the scenes being done about the nature of this “attack”. There is a strong effort to reduce the amount of public panic as possible. It is very challenging when you are trying to help the masses but cannot share certain things (or people would freak out). There is also the issue of ensuring that our medical centers are not all flooded at once. It has to be handled in stages. There is the even bigger task of having pharmaceutical companies ramp up the production and distribution of certain treatments. We just simply do not have sufficient quantities of specific medicines on hand and it will take time for the pharmaceutical companies to produce them. In the meantime all we can do at best is to follow the guidelines established in the video you sent.
But there are many changes to come. It just has to be handled in stages.

But Spence …
is that not what you have done here …. comparing things that are so apart that they cannot be compared?

@Karim
And I’m not talking about time it will take pharma companies to ramp up production for the US alone. I don’t even know if it’s possible to develop enough of these medicines for the global population.

S not difficult at all. Atleast I can speak for myself. With the king of kings by your side what’s the difficulty?
Sonia what bad news??
Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | March 13, 2020 at 04:41 PM
I said losing yourself is probably the most difficult thing to do.
OK, so it’s not difficult for you, but we’re all very different.
Growing up I always felt very comforted by the idea of “Heaven”. But recently I realized that my idea of heaven was more of a causal realm heaven and that when I would think of that place I felt peace and love. And when I would think of leaving that place (even if it was to experience something better) I felt anxious like I wanted to throw up. So, basically, “losing myself” is terrifying. I don’t even begin to know how to be comfortable with that. Anything that goes beyond the imagination scares the crap out of me.
Just being honest.

It’s funny, at one time I accused GSD of being Kal. Which I don’t believe to be true. But ironically, I would be much more comfortable in a heaven that “Kal” designed than to completely lose myself. I’m not trying to be difficult and I know my thinking isn’t quite right, I’m just saying that’s how I “feel” and it’s hard to get past that when you’re ME. 🙂

No. They are stage actors.
And I only know this because I’ve met true Saints. You can’t compare the two. They are worlds apart.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 13, 2020 at 02:04 PM
And the ‘true saints’ you have met….. Do they have names? I am a true seeker looking for true saints only.

Dear Spence,
Six months ago you wrote that Charan Singh carried you through Maha Sunn…
https://churchofthechurchless.com/2019/08/if-god-is-beyond-thought-and-language-then-shut-up-if-youre-religious?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4cdb9c1200b#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4cdb9c1200b
…and anchored you beyond light, sound and space…
https://churchofthechurchless.com/2019/08/if-god-is-beyond-thought-and-language-then-shut-up-if-youre-religious?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a480206d200c#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a480206d200c
Isn’t that the definition of a Saint? How do you turn around now and call him a stage actor?
“But on the way between the third and fourth stages falls the Maha Sunn (the Great Void), the land of Primordial Gloom. This is a region of utter darkness. Even though the soul has a refulgence of twelve suns, yet it is unable to penetrate this darkness by itself…Only a Sant Satguru, a Master having access to the highest regions, can take it through that darkness.” (Sardar Bahadur Jagat Singh, Science of the Soul, p. 22)

Hi Um
You ask
“But Spence …
” is that not what you have done here …. comparing things that are so apart that they cannot be compared?”
It’s not a matter of what I’m doing. On the basis of your own argument, how can you know?
Some people will resonate to what I wrote. Something in it will ring true for them. Some memory, some experience they may not have understood at the time will come forth. The note they hear will be the same, incomparable note they once heard in the presence of a good and kind person. They know at some level, they’ve met such a person before.
For the rest, it is incomprehensible. They have nothing to compare with these words, no familiarity with anyone who fits these descriptions of the True Saints. For these without experience, without gnosis, there is no basis for them to compare with except the stage actor. That is the only standard they know. This is why there are stage actors. The stage actors serve a purpose.
But they are not true Saints.
But there are true Saints. And they do not sit up on a stage. They do not preach to crowds.
They have no titles, no formula, no formal teachings, no initiation, no organization, no formal authority. They worship God day and night within. Their whole life revolves around that.
You will get more from their company than any stage actor.

No. They are stage actors.
And I only know this because I’ve met true Saints. You can’t compare the two. They are worlds apart.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 13, 2020 at 02:04 PM
The race is on in the medical fraternity to find a cure for True Saint Syndrome a.k.a TSS
Some major symptoms include sufferers believing
– true saints and stage actors are mutually exclusive
– true saints can be distinguished basis their physical appearances and qualities
– to be a true saints, a person needs to be goodness, kindness, friendliness, love, empathy etc personified, refuse titles and not be rich and modern
– they can distinguish true saints from the others
– that they have met such true saints
– they are right in their beliefs
One other peculiar symptom is whilst the sufferers think they know a true saint from a stage actors, they actually end up being followers of stage actors and at times even having them as their spiritual masters.
Consensus amongst the medical fraternity though is whoever finds the cure is likely to find himself being nominated for the Nobel Price for Medicine.

Hi Trevor
You wrote
“To make it easy for you – all this article says is that if a few ‘IF’s’ hold (as per the hypothesis) and one of the IF’s has a one in four chance,”
But the article says
“”The probability that there is such a fluctuation on this scale is one in 20 to one in 5, which means that it is not a theoretician’s fantasy.”
The article states a range from 95% (one in twenty, three sigma) to one in five (25%), not multiple ifs.
Did you just invent your statement – one in four? Where did it come from?
Can you actually quote these multiple “If” s you are referring too?
You wrote
” Now the difference between the two isn’t by chance or error (as both have been have now been independently corroborated by other groups) and is being attributed to a missing factor in scientists understanding of the universe. The Hubble constant has this become the focus of a hotly contested battle to discover the nature of this invisible influence.”
That is the problem the hypothesis solves using conventional physics, no missing factor needed. By having a huge bubble of space with a different mass than the mass outside the bubble, you get two reliable and different measures depending upon if you are measuring inside the bubble (standard candles) or the totality of all space (Microwave radiation from the Planck satellite).
Did you not get this?
“A UNIGE researcher has solved a scientific controversy about the speed of the expansion of the universe by suggesting that it is not totally homogeneous on a large scale.”
https://www.techexplorist.com/mystery-universe-expansion-finally-solved/30680/
And here as well.
https://phys.org/news/2020-03-mystery-expansion-universe.html
This is what theoretical physics is all about. The hypothesis is a rational solution. Now scientists search for independent verification that this is the only plausible explanation. The hypothesis solves the problem that there was no plausible conventional explanation. There is. But it remains a hypothesis until new data can be used to confirm this plausible explanation is the right one. Even once verified, it does not become theory until its cause can be explained. Yes, the bubble now explains the two different measures. Yes, at some point new data may verify this is so. But what made the bubble.? That’s when verified hypothesis opens the door to new theory. But the explanation itself is a plausible solution.

Hi Anami
You’ve done your homework.
Don’t be afraid to find the True Saint that lives where you do. Don’t settle for sitting in the audience. Find someone gentle, kind, with no title, no interest in having an audience. Just be there friend because they are the gentlest, kindest person you know. Not because you can get some inner wealth from them. One who lives a simple devoted life above question. It will make all the difference to your meditation.
You were not meant to sit idly in the audience.

Dear Spence,
Six months ago you wrote that Charan Singh carried you through Maha Sunn…
https://churchofthechurchless.com/2019/08/if-god-is-beyond-thought-and-language-then-shut-up-if-youre-religious?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4cdb9c1200b#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4cdb9c1200b
…and anchored you beyond light, sound and space…
https://churchofthechurchless.com/2019/08/if-god-is-beyond-thought-and-language-then-shut-up-if-youre-religious?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a480206d200c#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a480206d200c
Isn’t that the definition of a Saint? How do you turn around now and call him a stage actor?
“But on the way between the third and fourth stages falls the Maha Sunn (the Great Void), the land of Primordial Gloom. This is a region of utter darkness. Even though the soul has a refulgence of twelve suns, yet it is unable to penetrate this darkness by itself…Only a Sant Satguru, a Master having access to the highest regions, can take it through that darkness.” (Sardar Bahadur Jagat Singh, Science of the Soul, p. 22)
Posted by: anami | March 13, 2020 at 08:44 PM
Hahahaha.
Come on Anami…. You beat me at my game by posting this before me.
Why do you think I asked him that specific question.
But do remember the fakeness of these posts was called out by another poster.

Tune in this weekend to watch the showdown between Trevor and Spence!

@Trevor,
Ya know, there’s nothing wrong with being a Saint and being nice too. I do fully understand that being nice isn’t a prerequisite for Sainthood in RSSB but it couldn’t hurt. IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE BOTH A SAINT AND AN OUTWARDLY KIND, LOVING & NICE PERSON TOO.
You don’t have to assign the qualities of love, kindness and being “nice” to Kal alone. There is nothing wrong with a Saint displaying these qualities. In fact I think it would be far more productive.

You know what, I actually do believe that Gurinder is a saint—a true saint. I say that in the sense that I believe he has gone beyond mind and maya. I only realized this recently because I understand a little more… a lot more.
But still… you get a lot more bees with honey. A lot more!

OK, loving might be a prerequisite but how they show that love could be sweetened a bit.

This is what theoretical physics is all about. The hypothesis is a rational solution. Now scientists search for independent verification that this is the only plausible explanation. The hypothesis solves the problem that there was no plausible conventional explanation. There is. But it remains a hypothesis until new data can be used to confirm this plausible explanation is the right one. Even once verified, it does not become theory until its cause can be explained. Yes, the bubble now explains the two different measures. Yes, at some point new data may verify this is so. But what made the bubble.? That’s when verified hypothesis opens the door to new theory. But the explanation itself is a plausible solution.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 13, 2020 at 09:53 PM
So very convenient is your shift from a position of “another mystery solved” to it being a explanation, a hypothesis, a plausible solution.
Not surprised though as it’s not the first time and it’s a Hallmark trait on display.
What’s obvious also is between your first and this last post you have taken time to actually look up on Hubble Constant and what this paper actually attempts to convey.
Somewhere in your post you ask – what made the bubble. Which bubble are you asking about? Is it the imaginary one with a diameter of 250million light years? If yes, that one was made by this physicist who put forth the ‘hypothesis’
Finally Is Probability one in 20 95% and one in five 25% ??

I do believe in tough love when it’s appropriate. We live in a world where people have become so fragile and easily offended that it’s annoying as shit. However, if you’re going to be tough then you also need to have a conversation explaining why you’re taking that stance so that the person you are trying to help understands why you are doing and saying what you are… and they need to understand that you are taking that stance solely to help them.
I have to do this with my nieces… especially now that they’re teenagers and are influenced by their peers that it’s natural to have a long list of things to get get triggered about.

@ Spence
In an orchestra everybody is a musician but only one is able, willing and appointed to be conductor.
It is possible ,that whatever you write is the final truth in the matter but for me as reader it doesn’t resemble anything I ever came to know and experience on this matter.
And …. for me to take up a snake just because an passer-by says it can be done, is not the right way … it goes again the very grain of the inborn instincts.
But your intentions can be all good like your words.
As said this are two worlds that cannot be compared.
In my youth we were out in the woods finding mushrooms with some Italian friends of the family. People of south Europe are known for their pleasure in going into the woods searching for mushrooms and truffles. Were we live that is not a tradition so we had no more knowledge about mushrooms then the famous red ones with white specks, as they were part of fairy tales we heard ad children. In these countries nobody will even touch mushrooms out of fear to be poisoned. Our friends had to show us which to take and which not and did so with an air of being experts. So far so good. Happy with their harvest and the prospect of a good meal they started preparing the mushrooms looking smilingly in the pan. We in contrast were overwhelmed again by fear as after all WE were also supposed to eat them … something different than plucking them. To shorten the story, against our fair we tasted the mushrooms … and …. the were tasty, very tasty even …. but ….. but … my brother got terrible sick.
These friends didn’t have the intention to poison us … but they did …even after having the expertise of years, succefully gathering and eating mushrooms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW6bxXn44RY

Trevor,
Spence could be right both ways.
Or neither.
Moment of Zen.

@Trevor,
1) IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE BOTH A SAINT AND AN OUTWARDLY KIND, LOVING & NICE PERSON TOO.
2) You don’t have to assign the qualities of love, kindness and being “nice” to Kal alone. There is nothing wrong with a Saint displaying these qualities. In fact I think it would be far more productive.
Posted by: Sonia | March 14, 2020 at 01:31 AM
1) can’t figure out why you convey this to me when my position is physical appearances and qualities are the most ridiculous yardsticks to conclude who is or isn’t a true saint. For me – humans including the self professing expert @ Spence are utterly incapable of identifying a perfect master as one. Maybe you should type out in CAPS addressed to @spence the following
It is possible to be be both a perfect master and an outwardly cold blooded calculating jerk.
2) I don’t think I have even remotely the qualities of love etc to ‘kal’ alone.

Vaccin found yesterday
https://www.erasmusmagazine.nl/en/2020/03/14/unique-discovery-in-erasmus-mc-antibody-against-corona/
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Whatever Trevor

Hi Anami
Yes to the above. If a True Saint masquerades as a stage actor, because, as you see, some folks simply don’t understand the Divinity behind kindness, aren’t willing to search, aren’t willing to oblige themselves to the commitments of friendship, would rather find fault than Christ in you and I, would rather take, and always refuse to give, then the True Saint they claim to worship for entirely selfish reasons, might as well be a stage actor. Their Master has laid down some decent impressions, but that hard shell has only hardened. Why wouldn’t they go and rob a bank at gunpoint if necessary, and reject all that false flattery, and push with both hands the lazy and heartless Satsangis to go and learn a lesson about decency from their own community? What if all that was necessary? To realize that the highest spirituality is kindness and love we must lose that Master we had become so complacent about, and which we used, manipulated to serve our own selfish and heartless nature?
I would be right there shovling money into the sacks with them, reading what those heartless, lifeless critics persist in trying to kill, compassion nagging at them from within. To see these throw daggers in near competition with each other, as to who can kill any form of kindness the fastest, those daggers which only pierce their own small hearts, is not a hopeful picture. It doesn’t inspire much confidence in any organization regardless.
Even if the Stage Actor is God Himself, the Statsangis magically transform him or her into a false abomination… And they do this with their own hatred of other people. What does it mean to love a Master if you hate those gentle souls living in kindness, generosity to their own detriment? Have no use or value for them? Yet those are the True Saints. They give without an audience at their feet.
And so the diaspora. ‘Your Saint is a fraud, hence you are a fraud..’
It’s a terrible thing for A Saint to have to play such a role in order to push away the infection of heartlessness and cruelty that has infected their followers.

Hi Um
To find real truffles and not poisonous mushrooms, you need a pig.
You say “you are just a pig!”
But the pig knows best in this matter.
Oink Oink baby!

2) I don’t think I have even remotely the qualities of love etc to ‘kal’ alone.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 14, 2020 at 09:11 AM
I didn’t understand point #2. Did you omit a word?
Also, I personally don’t like the name Trevor (no offense) but I like that it rhymes with whatever. 😂

Vaccin found yesterday
https://www.erasmusmagazine.nl/en/2020/03/14/unique-discovery-in-erasmus-mc-antibody-against-corona/
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Posted by: 💦💙 💙.💦. VACCIN FOUND. .💦💙 💙.💦 | March 14, 2020 at 09:18 AM
Awesome! Hopefully it will be approved and they can speed along the whole process. It’s a frustratingly long road from discovery to distribution.

Trevor,
Spence could be right both ways.
Or neither.
Moment of Zen.
Posted by: anami | March 14, 2020 at 09:11 AM
🤣🤣🤣
Sometimes I wander why Satsangis bother coming to this blog to debate anything at all. I mean, is the point to win an argument or just to argue for the sake of arguing?

All of the RSSB blogger representatives have a unified point to make:
1. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences
2. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences
3. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences
Did I leave anything out?
Keep it up. Apparently it’s working really well for you.

@ Spence
What kind of animal is used on seeking truffles, depends on local tradition and legislation.
As I wrote, we were seeking mushrooms and i explained the interaction between laymen and self appointed experts and the negative consequences on believing them on their words.
Have a look in the mirror … to see what you are.

@ Sonia
Every time I answer an message or delete one before sending I ask myself why I do it.
Until now I have not come up with an answer … I suspect if it becomes clear I will no longer read or write her.
Now and then, before falling asleep, the emptiness of words, grabs me. There are so many words I write that have no real meaning to me from childhood on. That realisation is like flashes of light. If the become a light, the reason to read an write will be gone.
Fortunately, in the world that remains, without abstract considerations about life itself, there is always some coffee to drink and a crow to look at.

FYI, I’m a true Saint currently accepting applications for initiation. I’ve made it to the 7th region (a well kept secret from RS). So, being a perfect saint you will have to accept that every offensive thing I’ve ever said on this blog is exempt from Karma.
I do have a few requirements though;
1. You must abstain from corn and soy. They have suffered terrible abuse and until you become a perfect saint yourself you should avoid adding to your karmic load. Fortunately I can eat as much of those things as I want. You’ll have to work towards that.
2. You must meditate 5 hours a day. These are the end times and I’m not gonna be doing any hand holding. Don’t tell me you don’t have 5 hours a day. Just look at your screen time!
3. Don’t ask me any stupid questions. And if you’re not sure whether or not it’s a stupid question, then it’s a stupid question!
4. Live a clean and moral life however the fuck you interpret that.

Sonia says she wonders why Satsangis bother coming to this blog to debate anything at all.
I wonder this myself and its probably because its something I have in common with ex-satsangis because it takes a lot of courage to break away from a path that seemed to me to be well worth following and I still stick to the main principles but don’t call myself a satsangi anymore probably because I don’t worship a guru or put someone on a pedestal. We are all imperfect imo.
I don’t believe in Saints. I do often remind myself to be grateful. Especially after escaping South Africa and not having to live in fear any more. Very happy to be an initiate and following a pure path with high standards of morality. Gratitude, gratitude, gratitude is my mantra.
(Murder. Around 57 people are murdered in South Africa every day. This is probably just an estimate because the police are not notified about all murders.)

Actually, you’ll probably find the RSSB guru more enjoyable than me. But has he been to the 7th region? You have to divide whether it’s worth it.
I mean he allows crazy shit that I simply won’t tolerate, like stuffing your faces with Indian sweets and all your bullshit whining at Q & A. I don’t do Q & A that’s why you will have to meditate 5 hours a day. The answers are within. Whatever I tell you will just get passed through the rumor mill and come out sounding nothing like the original answer.
He also allows you to live in luxury if you so chose. Nope, not on my watch.
And 2 and half hours a day isn’t gonna cut it. You still think to much and my goal is to get you to stop thinking (which will, again, help you to resist the urge to ask stupid questions).
No whining. There’s no crying in baseball!!!
Everyone sits on the floor. You’ll eventually find this easier and easier to do as you free yourself from your diabetic coma and host of other illnesses do to the modern diet.
And did I forget to mention no sugar? Absolutely NO SUGAR! Sugar is Kal’s greatest weapon you lethargic sloths.
So, what’s in it for you? You’ll be able to say, “I made it to the 7th region!” A side benefit is you’ll feel better and be healthier but that’s not my main goal. You might also realize GSD isn’t such a jerk after all. I’m tougher, but that’s what Master Yoda taught me. I’m filling in till baby Yoda is old enough to be Master.

It may sound a little confusing but the Star Wars films will be your bible. Avoid the Death Star. Everything they serve in their canteens are laced with hidden sugars.
May the Force be with you. 🙏

What about compassion. Imagine yourself being another person who is carrying out their orders, for example being a guru. How difficult and strange that must be. Maybe the ego will be very strong in someone who has to be an example for others who have their beliefs in a Path and a Master who is going to save them.
Its only when a person realises that the only one who is going to save them is their own self. Watching one’s own thoughts and feelings and being aware of our actions and our own programming and decision making is what I like about Zen.
Its not about criticising or judging just simply observing our own thoughts and feelings. Its good to have compassion for one’s own self, especially when we are over critical of self, thats when we need it more than anyone else.
“If you don’t love yourself, you cannot love others. You will not be able to love others. If you have no compassion for yourself then you are not able of developing compassion for others” – Dalai Lama

All of the RSSB blogger representatives have a unified point to make:
1. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences
2. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences
3. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences
Did I leave anything out?
Keep it up. Apparently it’s working really well for you.
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 14, 2020 at 01:25 PM
Wrong Sonia. The point they make is
A perfect master says and does whatever he wants regardless of the consequences.

FYI, I’m a true Saint currently accepting applications for initiation.
Posted by: Sonia | March 14, 2020 at 03:16 PM
Wish you luck for your latest startup initiative. Unfortunately these are difficult times and funding is hard to come by.

I didn’t understand point #2. Did you omit a word?
Posted by: Sonia | March 14, 2020 at 12:42 PM
Attributed – that’s the missing word.

Fortunately, in the world that remains, without abstract considerations about life itself, there is always some coffee to drink and a crow to look at.
Posted by: Um | March 14, 2020 at 02:44 PM
sounds pretty Zen 😎 👍

Hi Um
Your mushroom excursion was just one instance of relying upon a false expert. Could this be your pattern?
I told you a pig would help you find the most valuable treasure, for truffles are worth more than their weight in gold. Of course a decent dog can do nearly as good a job.
That wasn’t false advise, Um. But you’d have to do a little research to see it for yourself. That’s the point to finding a true Saint living near you.
At least find the kindest person devoted to God you can, in any religion, or in none, simply thankful to the creation, devoted to her.
They might be A Saint. They won’t be self – proclaimed. They don’t believe in titles or official positions when it comes to spirituality. You will do the proclaiming on the basis of the power that pours from them, and your own transition upward within surrounded by resounding celestial music.

It’s a terrible thing for A Saint to have to play such a role in order to push away the infection of heartlessness and cruelty that has infected their followers.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 14, 2020 at 12:07 PM
If it’s a terrible thing, it’s time for that incompetent saint to disappear.

Hi X17
You asked..
“Finally Is Probability one in 20 95% and one in five 25% ??”
Yes and no.
A one in 20 chance means that of 100 repeated measures, only five will be variant. That’s 95% reliability. That is the minimum standard for scientific significance (three sigma for non – normal distributions and two sigma for normal distributions) . This is the minimum level scientists must achieve to have
” significant results “.
But that range can vary to only one in five, according to professor Lombriser, which would be 20%. If that turns out to be more reliable, it is high enough to suggest there is something to this bubble hypothesis, but it may be incomplete and a missing force or configuration is at work that is yet to be defined.
However, if that 95% result holds up under repeated independent testing, then the bubble hypothesis is proven as a scientific fact.
Right now it is a hypothesized solution, but is yet to be proven. The mystery is solved by a conventional physics hypothesis alone, and now must be tested and verified.

All of the RSSB blogger representatives have a unified point to make:
1. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences
2. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences
3. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences
Did I leave anything out?
Keep it up. Apparently it’s working really well for you.
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 14, 2020 at 01:25 PM
Wrong Sonia. The point they make is
A perfect master says and does whatever he wants regardless of the consequences.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 14, 2020 at 09:03 PM
OMG! You’re going to get petty with me over one word?!?! I added “can” and you took it out.
Petty, petty, petty…

Hi Trevor
You wrote
“A perfect master says and does whatever he wants regardless of the consequences.”
Actually Trevor a lot of people say and do whatever they want regardless of the consequences. But in exact contradiction to what you wrote, perfect Masters understand the consequences, and are trying to help us understand and respond to those consequences in the best way possible.
But don’t let facts get in your way now, you’re on a roll.

FYI, I’m a true Saint currently accepting applications for initiation.
Posted by: Sonia | March 14, 2020 at 03:16 PM
Wish you luck for your latest startup initiative. Unfortunately these are difficult times and funding is hard to come by.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 14, 2020 at 09:11 PM
Trevor, I don’t require funding.
You need to try not to be such a serious and unfun person. Live a little. Please. Your comments are depressing as all f*ck. Lighten up. Learn to love yourself and laugh a little.

H Trevor
You wrote
“If it’s a terrible thing, it’s time for that incompetent saint to disappear.”
The courts are working on that.

Trevor,
I’m amazed that you let Spence get under your skin so badly. I mean, I love Spence—he’s a nice guy but I don’t read 99% of what he writes because it’s too long and I have a short attention span.
But you really let it bother you. Jeez
Let it go, man. The rest of us do. 😆

Hi Jen
You wrote
“Its only when a person realises that the only one who is going to save them is their own self.”
Our “self” is full of flaws. We must go beyond that.
But we are much more than our “self”. The strength, the will, the power, the insight comes from within. But it is beyond this persona, even conscious thought, though it feeds conscious thought.

Actually Trevor a lot of people say and do whatever they want regardless of the consequences. But in exact contradiction to what you wrote, perfect Masters understand the consequences, and are trying to help us understand and respond to those consequences in the best way possible.
But don’t let facts get in your way now, you’re on a roll.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 14, 2020 at 09:59 PM
OK, I did read this one and Spence is right.

To be fair, I seriously doubt most of the opinions expressed by Satsangis on this blog are true reflections of what any of the RS Masters think.

Any satsangi who thinks love isn’t the most important attribute of a perfect saint clearly hasn’t read anything written by any saint in all of ever-ness. Equilibrium of Love is RSSB’s book of the growth of the Dera since GSD took over. Notice the word “Love”. Perhaps you should start attending Satsang if you don’t believe Love is important. GSD has always said it’s important to be loving.

“Our life of poverty is as necessary as the work itself. Only in heaven will we see how much we owe to the poor for helping us to love God better because of them.”
— Mother Teresa —

We should wake up and change our ways during these trying times. This is not Corona it’s karma.!!!
This one is mild the next one could take out much of the population and shut down our bodies instantly. Not sure what we will do then. Stop consuming animals for food. When will we learn?!!

We should wake up and change our ways during these trying times. This is not Corona it’s karma.!!!
This one is mild the next one could take out much of the population and shut down our bodies instantly. Not sure what we will do then. Stop consuming animals for food. When will we learn?!!
Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | March 15, 2020 at 09:25 AM
So very, very, very true!

To prove my point
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/05/802938289/new-coronavirus-wont-be-the-last-outbreak-to-move-from-animal-to-human
https://youtu.be/Y7nZ4mw4mXw

Spence says: “No. They are stage actors.
And I only know this because I’ve met true Saints. You can’t compare the two. They are worlds apart.”
Who are these true Saints you have met?
You also say: “But there are true Saints. And they do not sit up on a stage. They do not preach to crowds.”
So, how and why are you so privileged to have met and know these so called “Saints”?
Sonia says: “To be fair, I seriously doubt most of the opinions expressed by Satsangis on this blog are true reflections of what any of the RS Masters think.”
Sonia, why don’t you ask Gurinder this question? You seem to be fond of going to the Dera maybe you could ask what the RS Masters think and please don’t forget that I am no longer a satsangi, but you seem to be still attached to Gurinder and Sant Mat.

Hi Um
You have written that that’ll find no precedent in the writings of the Saints for what I have written. But hi it must have read, perhaps long ago in your youth, the writings of Guru Nanak..
“All virtues are yours, God. I have none. Those who miss God get contentment…. You cannot miss God without doing good deeds….. Those who recite God’s name and do good deeds, the fragrance of truth comes out of their bodies….. By doing truthful deeds one falls in love with the door to God’s palace…. Achieve inner peace by being humble ; get absorbed like water in water.. O Nanak, they are happy in whose mind the divine tune wells up… ”

Hi Sonia
It may be possible that Trevor was referring to your use of the term True Saint, and instead supplying his preferred terminology “Perfect Master”. Ie, it’s the Perfect Master who is free to do as they wish, not the True Saints.
Of course no one is free. We are either bound by burdens of imposition, economics and health, or burdens of attachment and love.
But if the tight rope accrobat happens to be in love with the rope more than anything else, things tend to go better than if they can’t bear to pass something that catches their eye on the ground, 700 feet below.

@ spence
There a different ways to do good.
From the outside they appear to be the same.
But from the inside one is black and the other white.
Go your way and find out.

Sonia says: “To be fair, I seriously doubt most of the opinions expressed by Satsangis on this blog are true reflections of what any of the RS Masters think.”
Sonia, why don’t you ask Gurinder this question? You seem to be fond of going to the Dera maybe you could ask what the RS Masters think and please don’t forget that I am no longer a satsangi, but you seem to be still attached to Gurinder and Sant Mat.
Posted by: Jen | March 15, 2020 at 12:33 PM
Jen, I will definitely ask him and yes, I am still attached to him. I’ve never denied that. Good or bad, always have been attached in one form or another. 😐 But trying to keep it positive these days…
I wasn’t referring to you at all when I said “Satsangis”. What I meant by Satsangis in that comment was all the commenters who come to this site to convert “ex-Satsangis”. That’s all… I certainly wasn’t discounting any of your comments.

Hi Sonia
It may be possible that Trevor was referring to your use of the term True Saint, and instead supplying his preferred terminology “Perfect Master”. Ie, it’s the Perfect Master who is free to do as they wish, not the True Saints.
Of course no one is free. We are either bound by burdens of imposition, economics and health, or burdens of attachment and love.
But if the tight rope accrobat happens to be in love with the rope more than anything else, things tend to go better than if they can’t bear to pass something that catches their eye on the ground, 700 feet below.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 15, 2020 at 02:11 PM
Ahh… perfect master vs. true saint. Words are sticky, tricky things.

Wow Sonia we actually agree on something 😳

To prove my point
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/05/802938289/new-coronavirus-wont-be-the-last-outbreak-to-move-from-animal-to-human
https://youtu.be/Y7nZ4mw4mXw
Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | March 15, 2020 at 12:32 PM
Wow 😳
Thanks, Jen from Austin Texas. Now I’m compelled to read Spillover. You know I can’t resist a good book about potential pandemics. It’s funny, I don’t get upset when people express different spiritual perspectives (for the most part) but when it comes to anyone receiving poor medical treatment I get really upset—like really, really, upset.
During a pandemic, I think we should be able to bypass the standard forever long clinical trials process and jump to trial and error. OR we could employ common sense and start using the treatments other countries are having success with. The rate this virus is spreading is exponential. In a month from now, our world is going to look very different.
Seriously, this whole situation is karma and natural selection.
People need to stop putting animals in their mouth. 😑

Hi Jen
You quoted me then wrote
“You also say: “But there are true Saints. And they do not sit up on a stage. They do not preach to crowds.”
“So, how and why are you so privileged to have met and know these so called “Saints”?”
It is indeed a privilege. The cost is only to look around. Find the kindest, humblest person you know, someone devoted to the goodness within all people, and get to know them. Someone who is not ambitious, radiates peace, and asks nothing of you.
They are worth some time. If, in their presence, you start to hear the inner music, then that is your second clue. The first clue is their kindness, compassion, patience and balance. Someone with a spotless reputation. Not famous, not mighty. Just clean and clear.
They are in your community. Find them, get to know them personally. They may not do anything for your soul. They may not be rich. They may not read your mind, or heal you. They might live in very meager circumstances. Yet they will be kind and generous with their time. And spending time with them will open up something within you that may help you hear Shabd and find the True Saints around you. But at least you will be spending some time with a superior soul. That’s good for all of us.
This is the point. The very fact that no one here is familiar with people who fit this description says a lot. We are too self – absorbed to notice the beauty around us. We want roses when there are so many lovely tiny wildflowers. And those tiny wildflowers are connected directly to nature.

@ spence
There a different ways to do good.
From the outside they appear to be the same.
But from the inside one is black and the other white.
Go your way and find out.
Posted by: Um | March 15, 2020 at 03:53 PM
Perfect master (please note the terminology. @trevor am with you on this one) do only one good that is free the soul. Some others at best into doing good karmas. And it’s cool for some who see these individuals as true saints.

Wow Sonia we actually agree on something 😳
Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | March 15, 2020 at 04:38 PM
Now, I understand why Charan said America could be a 3rd world country someday. The truth is, if we have an even deadlier pandemic in the future, the entire world will be living in third world conditions.

Without God, all this is a transitory illusion.
So if in fact there is no God and all this is just a passing show, and all we value transitory, then pick the better illusion. Then believe in eternal life. Because life in fact will carry on after you die. Long, long after. And life was here long long before.
Then believe in eternal love, for love was here long, long before you had a name, and will be here long, long after your name is forgotten. That you share life with life, and love with love, believe in that which lasts. Believe you are still part of that.
The eternal forces of nature, why not be close to those?
If it’s all an illusion anyway, pick one that brings you closer to the eternal forces of reality, deep within yourself.
Why not call that God?

Sonia did you listen to the 37 min npr audio that’s as in that link? It’s from
The writer of spillover. Have a listen.

Perfect master (please note the terminology. @trevor am with you on this one) do only one good that is free the soul. Some others at best into doing good karmas. And it’s cool for some who see these individuals as true saints.
Posted by: Steve Kinsella | March 15, 2020 at 08:12 PM
Steve,
Which guru are you and Trevor following??? It doesn’t sound like you’re following GSD.

Perfect master (please note the terminology. @trevor am with you on this one) do only one good that is free the soul. Some others at best into doing good karmas. And it’s cool for some who see these individuals as true saints.
Posted by: Steve Kinsella | March 15, 2020 at 08:12 PM
I just feel like you’re leaving out all of the other good qualities of a perfect master or true saint (whichever term you prefer). They may have one objective but they do many good things.

Hi Jen from Austin Texas,
I haven’t listened to the 37min piece by the author yet. When I went back to your comment I saw the YouTube link and watched that.
It’s so crazy—first wave estimate potentially 60M people dead… and second wave could be double that??? So 200M from COVID-19 alone. And there will be much more damage to the global population than loss of life.
Not to get all gloom and doom though. I’m not afraid of the Virus—it’s treatable. 99.999% sure I had COVID-19. It would be too coincidental if I had one of the other corona viruses when this novel coronavirus hit. I was miserable but I survived. My husband got sick too but not bad. My dad and mom both have it. Mom is doing better. Dad is better but not 100%. I think I’m going to have to drag him to the doctor tomorrow.
I created a twitter account devoted to tracking COVID-19 news, updates and treatments. Here’s one article I posted with some key points highlighted below.
••••••••••••
rhttps://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-vs-the-flu-its-just-like-other-viruses-and-we-should-go-about-our-normal-business-right-wrong-heres-why-2020-03-09
So what are the differences between coronavirus and the flu? For starters, there is no vaccine for COVID-19 and it could take many months or years to get one to market, and, unlike the influenza viruses for which there are several vaccines, humans have not built up an immunity over multiple generations. What’s worse, doctors fear the virus will mutate.
Another reason not to compare the two viruses: Influenza has likely been around for more than 2,000 years. Scientists say the “novel influenza A viruses” in humans lead to a pandemic approximately once every 40 years. But, again, flu vaccines exist. “The flu has been with us since the birth of modern medicine,” said Adalja.
What has all this got to do with COVID-19? There is an advantage to coming down with a virus that has been around for hundreds, if not a couple of thousand, years. Humans, ideally, will have built up more natural defenses to fight it.
“But it doesn’t seem like there is cross-immunity with this coronavirus as there are with the other coronaviruses,” he added. In other words, the natural defense systems in our body that help us ward off flu are unlikely to apply here.
••••••••••••
I missed my calling in life—I should have been an epidemiologist!!! 🤪

I just feel like you’re leaving out all of the other good qualities of a perfect master or true saint (whichever term you prefer). They may have one objective but they do many good things.
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 15, 2020 at 11:38 PM
I should have clarified…. My post was from the perfect Master’s point of view. Ask a perfect master if you know one and you will hear this from him. They are here to free and not bind or change the rusty chains which bind to diamond studded ones.
Of course from we humans point of view – you may be right. They do possess some good qualities which they put to use.
Will prefer perfect masters or stage actors as true saints in here is meant to mean as defined by a @spence.

To say those who are one with the Lord and given the power to bring souls back have no interest in good work, or that qualities of love and kindness have nothing to do with their mission, really misses the point.
To parse out good works, an open and loving heart as separate and lesser than the raising of souls into the highest heaven is trying to dissect love into pieces and then selecting and prioritizing them. When you dissect the unicorn, you kill her in the process.
The True Saints, and even the stage actors all claim much the opposite: God is love, and those closest to God are the most loving, gentlest souls on earth. They go further to claim that loving the lord, even if one’s practice produces nothing, leads to salvation. And further still they teach that one cannot make much progress unless they submit and become as gentle and loving as the most gentle and loving child.
Man! Conquer Thyself!

Here in the UK, we’re a pretty private and insular nation culturally speaking. We can live right next door to people for decades and not even know their name.
During the current crisis and global lockdowns, please spare a moment to consider the elderly and vulnerable who may live near you that you miss on a daily basis, but who may now need some of the support or help.
Lots of great local aid groups out there!!

Spence you say: “Find the kindest, humblest person you know, someone devoted to the goodness within all people, and get to know them. Someone who is not ambitious, radiates peace, and asks nothing of you.”
Well thats easy because my sons are the kindest people I know so I am very lucky. They grew up with the principles of satsangi beliefs, vegetarian, no alcohol or mind altering drugs, living a moral lifestyle etc and they are very kind and generous people.
In Australia now its all about self-isolation because of the Coronavirus. I like my own company so it doesn’t bother me at all. Cheers and hope everything is going okay with everyone and don’t forget to wash your hands (lol).

Hi Jen
I’m being kept busy these days….

Spence,
You say: “Our “self” is full of flaws. We must go beyond that.
But we are much more than our “self”. The strength, the will, the power, the insight comes from within. But it is beyond this persona, even conscious thought, though it feeds conscious thought.”
I practice Mindfulness. Zen Presence. Mindfulness is paying close attention to the experience of the present moment, with calm acceptance of whatever is happening. I like to practice having an observing self. The observer is the inner self. It does not judge, it simply observes. Watching. Listening. This is my own consciousness. I find this reflecting and being aware in my daily life more interesting than sitting in meditation. Its just me, watching the ego self, without judgment, in my everyday life. I love Zen. Its not easy because the ego likes to judge but because of the quiet life I live I can remind myself when I get lost in worldly affairs.

@Manjit
Wonderful suggestion! I live in a neighborhood that has just 3 streets—one way in and one way out. It’s nice because we’re a bit secluded. A lot of elderly neighbors—many choose to retire here because of the closeness. It’s not exclusive, just a comfortably middle to upper middle class neighborhood but modest considering. I don’t think anyone would appreciate a knock on the door at this point. I don’t even see many of my neighbors going for their usual walks. But our home owner’s association has a phone list and perhaps we should reach out that way.
Great suggestion!

OMG! You’re going to get petty with me over one word?!?! I added “can” and you took it out.
Petty, petty, petty…
Posted by: Sonia | March 14, 2020 at 09:58 PM
Maybe the Difference between ‘can do’ and ‘does’ and adding / deleting a word is insignificant/petty to some.
@Sonia, here is a nice little joke for you
A contractor promised a Minister that he would bribe sumptuously if the contract is approved..
Believing him, the Minister wrote on the file *Approved*..
Even after two days, the bribe money was not given….
Minister felt cheated…
Minister’s attendant said : Don’t worry sir. I will bring the file & you simply write *Not* before *Approved*.
So it became *Not Approved*…..!!!
Two days later, the contractor bribed him as per the contract…….
Minister was worried as to what to do now ?
The attendant again came to his rescue, brought the file back and said…
Write *e* after *Not*
…which ultimately became
*Note Approved*…..😜
But this is also how politicians function in many countries.

Hi Trevor
You wrote
“A perfect master says and does whatever he wants regardless of the consequences.”
Actually Trevor a lot of people say and do whatever they want regardless of the consequences. But in exact contradiction to what you wrote, perfect Masters understand the consequences
But don’t let facts get in your way now, you’re on a roll.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 14, 2020 at 09:59 PM
Only to the very strange ‘regardless of consequences’ is only along with being ignorant/not knowing of the consequences.
Holy shit this guy who jumped of the 66th floor had no understanding of the consequences. Poor fellow. Don’t blame him though. After all he wasn’t a perfect master.
I may be on a roll as you say but you are too for your rationality is indeed a source of entertainment.

H Trevor
You wrote
“If it’s a terrible thing, it’s time for that incompetent saint to disappear.”
The courts are working on that.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 14, 2020 at 10:12 PM
Wow in your country courts even work on the saints who can’t or struggle to push away the infection of heartlessness and cruelty that has infected their followers.
Pretty cool. Looks like an underemployed judiciary there.

Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 17, 2020 at 09:20 PM
Which is the second thing? You ask only about Italy fatalities.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 17, 2020 at 09:44 PM
@Sonia
Italians hug their kids & everybody about 10.000 times more than others
Indians don t
Pizza isn’t spicy
How about your quinine info
Father OK? – and Mother now?
Seems Cuba”s INTERFERON saved China
Dera is closed ONLY two months I read

Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 17, 2020 at 09:20 PM
Which is the second thing? You ask only about Italy fatalities.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 17, 2020 at 09:44 PM
@Sonia
Italians hug their kids & everybody about 10.000 times more than others
Indians don t
Pizza isn’t spicy
How about your quinine info
Father OK? – and Mother now?
Seems Cuba”s INTERFERON saved China
Dera is closed ONLY two months I read
Posted by: 7 | March 18, 2020 at 04:00 AM
Not to forget…..
1) according to some experts Italy is hard it because it has the oldest population in Europe
2) ~45% of Indians are under 25 years and ~86% under 55 years
3) Namaste as their form of greeting.
Btw, Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine and could could become the emergency mode line of treatment for coronavirus.

Hi X17
You asked..
“Finally Is Probability one in 20 95% and one in five 25% ??”
Yes and no.
A one in 20 chance means that of 100 repeated measures, only five will be variant. That’s 95% reliability. That is the minimum standard for scientific significance (three sigma for non – normal distributions and two sigma for normal distributions) . This is the minimum level scientists must achieve to have
” significant results “.
But that range can vary to only one in five, according to professor Lombriser, which would be 20%. If that turns out to be more reliable, it is high enough to suggest there is something to this bubble hypothesis, but it may be incomplete and a missing force or configuration is at work that is yet to be defined.
However, if that 95% result holds up under repeated independent testing, then the bubble hypothesis is proven as a scientific fact.
Right now it is a hypothesized solution, but is yet to be proven. The mystery is solved by a conventional physics hypothesis alone, and now must be tested and verified.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 14, 2020 at 09:45 PM
No need for now repeatedly stating that this paper is just a hypothesis at the moment. It was obvious from the start to all who bothered to even take a casual look at the article – like I have done. It would have helped if even you had done this. Would have saved you the embarrassing shift in stance.
Anyways now coming to probabilities. 4 red ball and 1 white ball. What’s the probability of drawing a white ball? Only a deep thinker, a true saint maybe, would answer this question as – the probability of drawing a red ball is 0.80. So much for your initial response ‘Yes and no’ when specifics are being dealt with as is probably the case even here.
In this paper, what’s the event whose probability is being guesstimated btw?
And the range of what can vary to 1 in 5 and why does this conveniently become 20% for you and not 80% just like 1 in 20 is viewed as 95% by you.
What an amazing hypothesis it seems to be with an occurrence or non-occurrence of something in the range of 95% (1 in 20) to 80% (1 in 5) This must be the reason for the comment in the article ‘
‘It is not a theoretician’s fantasy’.

Hi X17
Do you have any background in experimental statistics?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395%E2%80%9399.7_rule
Read, digest, then let’s discuss.

Hi X17
Do you have any background in experimental statistics?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395%E2%80%9399.7_rule
Read, digest, then let’s discuss.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 18, 2020 at 12:05 PM
We’ll get to this too. Let’s just finish off with probability first, in connection with – One mystery solved! Why is thy universe expanding at different rates, depending upon how you measure it.
Oops I meant in connection with one another hypothesis on Hubble Constant.

@Jen
and don’t forget to wash your hands (lol).
I understand what U are doing. Sita does the same.
But wold it help the moment U die.
Now in this life Charan has given U the way to be hyper in Love at that moment
At least try to hear the violin – a very high frequency tone – it is your Soul
and you can again be That and the Giver Charan
777
I mean it can probably go together with yr awareness
I. m isolated too
Yo exit here in France we need to sign a PDF form “on honour”
that it is for n urgent purpose
The fine for not doing so is 132 euro
Actually my temperature is 37,2° C
no cough – I feel fine. –
See U there. (LOL too)

@Sonia
Italians hug their kids & everybody about 10.000 times more than others
Indians don t
Pizza isn’t spicy
How about your quinine info
Father OK? – and Mother now?
Seems Cuba”s INTERFERON saved China
Dera is closed ONLY two months I read
Posted by: 7 | March 18, 2020 at 04:00 AM
Hi 7,
Thanks for asking—my mom and dad are much better. They’re doing well. Mom took hydroxychloroquine for 4 days and my dad took it for a little over a week. He had been sick for about 10 days before he started on the medicine and his immune system is really weak as it is Like, there is no reason on earth why he should still be alive—he has so many health issues. But they are both feeling well now.

Btw, Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine and could could become the emergency mode line of treatment for coronavirus.
Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 18, 2020 at 07:37 AM
Yes, they are using the same drugs here. The HIV antivirals are expensive. And Oseltamivir (Tamiflu) is what they first put my dad on but he just continued to get worse.
But hey, whatever works. There are many options out there. Different areas and countries seem to have different preferences.
Bottom line, if you feel sick, go to the doctor. If you’ve been in contact with someone you know has COVID-19 then get tested (don’t go around spreading it).
And every person responds to drugs differently. Fortunately we all responded the same way. Started of slowly and then all of the sudden you feel like hell—chest pain, sweats, low grade fever and cough and just so achey and tired. I’ve had bad cases of the flu a few times in my life. My husband and I both got West Nile Virus when we lived in Colorado. I rested a lot but he kept working until one day we had to rush him to the emergency room. He almost died. It was really stupid. You have to rest when you are sick!
So, with this last illness, for me and my mom and dad we literally felt like hell and then about an hour after taking the medicine the pain went away. But it would wear off after about 6 or 7 hours. Then take another dose and feel better for the same amount of time (rinse and repeat) until finally you don’t feel sick.
Like I said, whatever works. Just make sure you get really good medical care. And wash your hands all of the time. Don’t touch your face.
I went to the store today and recognized about 100 ways I could catch or spread a disease just through my usual way of touching things. I can’t imagine how we’re actually going to keep this from spreading to at least 80% of the population.

I meant to add in, “I’ve had bad cases of the flu in my life but nothing like this.”
West Nile Virus wasn’t even this painful. And it caused meningitis!

Hi X17
You asked
“In this paper, what’s the event whose probability is being guesstimated btw?”
The null hypothesis: The hypothesized bubble explains the differences between the two popular methods used to calculate the rate of expansion.
Using the hypothesized variance in matter density inside the bubble to adjust mathematically the results of the local method (using standard candles) produces the same results as the background radiation method 19 times out of 20, or 95% of the time. Or statistically, there is a 95% probability that the two methods of measuring the same thing (one with the professor’s correction factor) are actually doing so.
That’s the high end of professor Lombriser’probability range. And that meets the standard for statistical significance.
But the professor also gives this a range of variability down to only one on five. There are some variations to either the samples he is using for his calculation, or some of the assumptions, such as the exact percentage of difference in matter density and the size of the bubble.
That’s only 20% of the time his Calculation adjustments accurately generated the same result as the background radiation measurement. That is not high enough for statistical Significance. But that is high enough to support that something is there. Some impact of different mass and diameter to a degree, more or less, can be used to create an adjustment that brings the results of both methods of calculation closer.

Hi 777,
You say: “At least try to hear the violin – a very high frequency tone – it is your Soul”
I do have a kind of high pitched sound in my head, not like a violin though, that would be difficult to manage probably would totally lose the plot and drift around in a dream like state 🙂 Oops I do that already lol.
This self-isolating advice because of the coronavirus suits me because thats the kind of quiet lifestyle I have anyway.
Hope you and your family are going okay. The advice seems to be always about older people catching the virus so we have to be careful, but I think positive thinking helps anyway and a bit of magical Shabd also helps.
Cheers, Jen

@Spence
@Trevor
@X17
I can’t believe that you are still talking about Hubble’s Constant. I read your “papers”/links and am trying to understand why it’s so important.
Is it constant? What is dark matter? And what does any of this have to do with every day life? https://youtu.be/7TZP13qXZQg
Side note; the Andromeda Galaxy makes me happy. When I look at pictures of galaxies I get really strong and powerful feelings—every range of emotion from peaceful to beautiful to exciting to disturbing to terrifying. Just depends on the galaxy. Yep, I know it’s weird. I’m kind of glad we have so much light pollution because if I could see galaxies the way we earthlings used to be able to see them before light pollution, I would see the galaxies I love and then some I don’t love. Some are just really upsetting to look at even if their symmetry or design seems aesthetically appealing.
Luckily, it’s not a problem as long as I don’t go googling images of different galaxies.

I used to always believe it was mass that caused the “heaviness” in this world. But mass doesn’t create the heavy feeling—inertia does. Mass and inertia are totally different, as you know.
Our ability to move faster is what makes us feel lighter. But moving faster, feeling lighter/cleaner and getting things done (the most efficient way) has more to do with overcoming inertia. And inertia is more of a mind thing, IMO.

There’s so much research on this. People keep sending me links re this med for COVID-19. Many research tests show hydroxychloroqine works better than just chloroquine phosphate.
But doesn’t mean it will work for everyone. Some people might need the HIV antivirals… maybe cancer patients and people compromised at that level or people with certain intolerances. Anyway, I’m not trying to preach about it, but I wanted to show their is a good deal research behind it… people need to work with their doctors. All I’m saying is it’s not like I was recommending some homeopathic quackery solution for a pandemic type virus.
Here’s one link.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa237/5801998#.Xmh1awPrANA.twitter

@Spence
@Trevor
@X17
I can’t believe that you are still talking about Hubble’s Constant. I read your “papers”/links and am trying to understand why it’s so important.
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 18, 2020 at 08:10 PM
That’s because all three are true saints at the minimum. One might be a shade better being a stage actor.
So they concern themselves with the bigger picture, the larger issues that afflict the universe. Unknown to ordinary humans is the havoc the Hubble constant wrecks. The Corona virus pales in comparison.
This is why the three are at it. Wish them luck @Sonia. The universe is at stake here.

That’s because all three are true saints at the minimum. One might be a shade better being a stage actor.
So they concern themselves with the bigger picture, the larger issues that afflict the universe. Unknown to ordinary humans is the havoc the Hubble constant wrecks. The Corona virus pales in comparison.
This is why the three are at it. Wish them luck @Sonia. The universe is at stake here.
Posted by: Alexander Friedmann | March 18, 2020 at 09:46 PM
😂

Well, once you solve the Hubble Constant, let me know how we can use that to save the universe. I’m very curious.

@Spence
I’m not sure why I went to the RSSB site tonight or why I clicked on publications and read this passage from this book, but here it is. https://www.rssb.org/essential2.html
Thought you might find it interesting.

@Spence
I’m not sure why I went to the RSSB site tonight or why I clicked on publications and read this passage from this book, but here it is. https://www.rssb.org/essential2.html
Thought you might find it interesting.
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 18, 2020 at 11:58 PM
I have to admit, it’s Sant Mat in a light I never saw before. It’s like a different language. It’s truly beautiful.

@Jen
It doesn’t matter what instrument we associate
Only if it’s not false or unpleasant , why not give it a week
I mean day and night &right
Just try
What do U have to lose
Look if it can swell more or less even in the beginning
If it’s True you will know
Weave the words around / in it , through it, absorb !. . . .
don’t affect a meaning toTthe words except many suns of energy
Yr affectionitely brother, tiny messenger only 777
PS
A month is not much
knowing that You will be The Anahabad Shabad
and The Giver (Charan) as well.
Imagine how much unpleasant karma You will burn per second.

That’s good, Sonia.

Hey Sonia
I had a look at the link to ‘Essential Sant Mat’ from the RSSB website. After an initial scan, some of it does seem to be shifting focus. A few direct quotes:
1. ’A true spiritual master is interested only in developing the disciple’s awareness of truth’
Can’t argue with that – however I find it hard to remember if it was ever put that way in the literature I used to read, and there are several lines in the article that mention ‘Awareness’.
2. ‘…merging our consciousness with the creative energy or divine power which permeates every human being and indeed the entire cosmos’.
Ok = Other words for shabd. Yet it also seems to becoming more ‘inclusive’? Maybe in future they may add in references to the Divine Mother or even Shakti? – Holy Gaucamole!
3. ‘….the natural consequence of being born into a body that will not last forever. True masters view the present human life as one in a series of lives, governed by cause and effect’.
While karma is mentioned, what’s interesting here is that nothing is said about the ‘soul’ being affected by karma. In my view this is another and more useful signal that what gets affected by karma is mind not soul. Clarified further when Charan Singh is quoted:
4. ‘When it [the mind] becomes attached to the inner sound and light..’
The only time soul is mentioned is in a quote from Jagat Singh:
5. ‘All the pleasures of the world, the attachment to body and senses, the I-ness and duality have to be discarded before the soul can become fit to partake of the sweetness of Nam.
Sets a hi bar for us plebs. Soul comes into play in/is a state of non-separation. It’s about the totality of consciousness imo.
As I keep harping on- the interpretation of soul as some sort of separated individualised entity is problematic. Current RSSB teachings seem to be evolving? to address this while at the same time maintaining a line of dogma to keep the organisation functioning?
Oh and by the way a last quote:
6. ‘….live a clean, honest and moral life, in all areas of personal and sexual relations and in business. A true master sets very high standards here, well beyond what is required by society at large’
While this may still be the case it sure looks like this is problematic also!
Best wishes

@Spence
I’m not sure why I went to the RSSB site tonight or why I clicked on publications and read this passage from this book, but here it is. https://www.rssb.org/essential2.html
Thought you might find it interesting.
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 18, 2020 at 11:58 PM
I have to admit, it’s Sant Mat in a light I never saw before. It’s like a different language. It’s truly beautiful.
Posted by: Sonia | March 19, 2020 at 12:28 AM
So… this is sort of petty but I should have typed “it’s Sant Mat in a light I’ve never seen before”.
The grammar police caught me… 😐

@Tim Rimmer,
Essential Sant Mat is focusing more on “the” one thing while becoming a lot more inclusive of people in general. It’s very simple, but profoundly better said. Same message without all the unnecessary superfluous stuff that used to make people think they were “special”. Special in an arrogant way that is.
I was just really pleasantly surprised by it.

If you love math and have time on your hands, you’ll enjoy this. https://youtu.be/tgSJGGGd4no
It is a little dry at first but about 9:15 in you’re like 🤯🤯🤯
Makes me think ♾ is a creative option.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239776019856461824?s=21
Yes!!! Thank you, Musk! You are eccentric as all hell but a freakin’ genius nonetheless.

Nasa tells Mars explorer to fix itself by hitting itself in the head…..
“percussive maintenance”
https://futurism.com/nasa-mars-lander-hit-itself-shovel/amp
The Old “What was I thinking?!” palm to forehead moment…

Nasa tells Mars explorer to fix itself by hitting itself in the head…..
“percussive maintenance”
https://futurism.com/nasa-mars-lander-hit-itself-shovel/amp
The Old “What was I thinking?!” palm to forehead moment…
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 20, 2020 at 09:14 PM
🤣🤣🤣

Maybe we humans don’t deserve “free will” (freedom of choice) and it takes a pandemic to teach us that.
Posted by: Sonia | March 23, 2020 at 08:46 AM
my 2cts:
We have, always. had, always will have
100% free will on our gorgeous highest conscious level!
But we prefer a given “time” to exist on a dramatical lower level and prefer to live the consequences
Eventually this , among many creation will end . . .
there are Jeevas, jumping from one to another
fascinating
777
Wow

Makes me think ♾ is a creative option.
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 20, 2020 at 11:00 AM
DeLorian
Without a Master, it”s difficult
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my 2cts:
We have, always. had, always will have
100% free will on our gorgeous highest conscious level!
But we prefer a given “time” to exist on a dramatical lower level and prefer to live the consequences
Eventually this , among many creation will end . . .
there are Jeevas, jumping from one to another
fascinating
777
Wow
Posted by: 💥❤️💥 777 💥❤️💥 | March 23, 2020 at 11:33 AM
That’s profound.

Ouch…. This is gonna hurt all those who think they know more than GSD and have grandly opined the futility and foolishness in having so many satsang centres all over.
https://www.royalpatiala.in/radha-soami-satsang-beas-sant-nirankari-mission-offer-premises-to-punjab-cm/
And if I could forward the Punjab Health Ministers TV interview it appears Babaji has offered not just across Punjab. Governments free to utilise them in whatever way they want.
To the ignorant, there is an expert’s opinion that the likely Covid19 cases in India will be between 300-500million by July.

Meanwhile, Indians in the USofA…….
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/world-news/sikhs-prepare-over-30-000-free-meal-packets-for-americans-in-self-isolation-2199598%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off
Ofcourse perpetual whiners will continue to remain ashamed of being an Indian.

Meanwhile, Indians in the USofA…….
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/world-news/sikhs-prepare-over-30-000-free-meal-packets-for-americans-in-self-isolation-2199598%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off
Ofcourse perpetual whiners will continue to remain ashamed of being an Indian.
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | March 24, 2020 at 11:10 AM
That’s beautiful. I’ve always had an affinity for Sikhs. I think I was Sikh in a past life. Really awesome what they’re doing to help here, especially in the hard hit war zone of New York. 🙏
I wish I were Indian… but an Indian living in the US. I always wished I had brown eyes and long dark brown hair and their graceful beauty and elegance. Oh well…

This is a continuation of my last comment.
I think it all stems from this girl I went to school with. We sat next to each other in grade school. She was the only Indian in our school and her dad was a surgeon—mega rich too. He invested well. Anyway, her name was Rani and she was voted most attractive girl in school when we moved on to Junior High and High School. I was always a bit jealous.

All of the Indians where I grew up were extremely wealthy and spoiled and their kids were brats. You don’t come to this part of America unless you’re a doctor or working for the University in some specialized department. So, my perspective on Indians my whole life was very different. Here, where I grew up they were obnoxious. The parents were nice but the kids were so ridiculously spoiled. One girl I knew got married and her parents spent a few million dollars on her wedding. They had a destination wedding in Laguna Beach. Her mom had a coffee table book of the wedding. I have honestly never seen anything like it in my life. I was invited to go only because her mom liked me but didn’t go because I would have never fit in with that crowd. Anyway, it was probably the most beautiful wedding I’ve ever seen (in pictures). But that’s quite extravagant in my opinion. I understand weddings are important but Jesus!
It wasn’t till I visited India for the first time in 2013 that I truly understood how poor some if not most Indians live. I was so surprised. When I planned my trip I was really looking forward to the train ride from Delhi to Beas because I assumed (based on the kids I here) that I’d be traveling first class in “Executive Coach” through some beautiful scenic countryside. 🤣🤣🤣
One of my brother’s Indian friends said, “Even Indians don’t visit India!!!” He was joking but trying to prepare me.
I love it, though. 😊

https://www.royalpatiala.in/radha-soami-satsang-beas-sant-nirankari-mission-offer-premises-to-punjab-cm/

Meanwhile, Indians in the USofA…….
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | March 24, 2020 at 11:10 AM
Meanwhile, RSSB in India ………
https://www.royalpatiala.in/radha-soami-satsang-beas-sant-nirankari-mission-offer-premises-to-punjab-cm/
And if I could forward the Punjab Health Ministers TV interview it appears Babaji has offered not just across Punjab. Governments free to utilise the centres in whatever way they want.
To the ignorant, there is an expert’s opinion that the likely Covid19 cases in India will be between 300-500million by July.

“To the ignorant, there is an expert’s opinion that the likely Covid19 cases in India will be between 300-500million by July.”
OK, now I’m feeling like Jen. Yesterday evening I was beginning to think there was an end in sight. Now, the end may just simply be the end. 😔 I’m feeling anxious. Ugh
But very nice offer.

The WHO meanwhile has this to say about India…..
https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/india/1824041/who-says-indias-action-on-coronavirus-critical-for-the-world/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-has-tremendous-capacity-in-eradicating-coronavirus-pandemic-who/amp_articleshow/74788341.cms
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/who-praises-pm-modis-efforts-to-contain-coronavirus-says-that-india-can-do-it/amp_videoshow/74784495.cms
Will Indians unite and pull it off? I pray so….given the odds staked up against us.

I’m sooo NOT in the mood for any shit today…

The more you look for truth, the harder it is to find. This world is overflowing with pretentious, self-righteous, know-it-alls who are completely out of touch with the lives of those struggling to keep food on the table, a roof over their head and proper healthcare.
So generous of these CEOs not to take a salary while they’re workers are laid off. 🙄🙄🙄🙄 I’m trying to imagine what it’s like to have enough money to be able to forfeit your salary willingly. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

There are only two certainties in this world—the world with always be full of suffering and we all die in the end.
Now I think I know what it feels like to be a nihilist.

I used to be really into the New Age movement and read quite a bit about the Four Yugas.
Kali Yuga, what we are now living in…
“It isn’t hard to recognize that even though we live on a planet that surrounds us with beauty, that there is a lot of darkness happening within humanity. The ancient Sanskrit teachings understood that civilization goes through distinct cycles of creation and destruction.”
“Kali Yuga: The final age lasts only one tenth of the cycle, however, that is certainly long enough as it is the age of darkness and ignorance. People slide further down the path of dishonesty, with virtue being of little value. Passions become uncontrollable as unrestrained sexual indulgences and manipulations run through society. Liars and hypocrites rise. Important knowledge is lost and scriptures become less and less common. The human diet is now ‘dirty’, and people are not even close to being as powerful as their ancestors in the Satya Yuga. Likewise, the once pristine environment is now polluted. Water and food become scarce, as do family bonds.”

@Jen
We’re definitely in the Kali Yuga… hopefully at the very end. I don’t care if I’m reincarnated or not. I just want this to be over.

Today was a turning point for me. There’s so much in the fabric of society that’s about to implode. For the first time in my life I finally got to the point of “Oh well, if we die, we die”. Just this deep feeling of helplessness and hopelessness. No matter how hard we try, every leader and every group and organization has their own ideas on how to fix this mess. And no one agrees which is slowing progress even more. But it’s too much to “fix”. We will suffer some pretty massive blows before this over—the entire world will. I guess this is where a Zen attitude of acceptance is the only thing that’s going to help one maintain their sanity.
I’ll be amazed if all of our key government and intelligence agency heads keep from 🤯🤯🤯 considering all that’s at stake. People are going start to crack or just adapt an attitude of apathetic resignation.

Honestly, the hardest part is that no one, and I mean no one, can seem to agree on what are the best steps to take. We’re like officers (that are supposed to be on the same team) in a stalemate before even going out into the battle zone.
It’s truly f*d up.
Hopefully tomorrow will be better. I hope so because it’s literally life or death.

Anyone else in America having trouble with their Verizon service? Just curious.
Anyway, on another note, Biden seriously seems to be showing signs of dementia or Alzheimer’s. Bernie is our only real hope. 🤷🏻‍♀️

God failed. He failed miserably.

Zen Buddhism is as close to the truth as you will find, imo.

I don’t believe in God. I think the best we can do is learn to accept what life has given us. Through acceptance you will find peace.

https://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-13730/5-things-everyone-should-know-about-acceptance.html

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/delusions-of-grandeur

Once a king called upon all of his wise men and asked them, “Is there a mantra which works in every situation, in every circumstance, in every place and in every time – in every joy, every sorrow, every defeat, and every victory – one answer for all questions? Something which can help me when none of you is able to advise me? Tell me, is there any mantra?”
All the wise men were puzzled by the King’s question. After a lengthy discussion, an old man suggested something which appealed to all of them. They went to the King and gave him a ring with words engraved into it, with a condition that the King was not to read it out of curiosity. Only if, in extreme danger, when the King finds himself alone and there seems to be no way out, only then he can read it. The King wore the ring without reading the engraving.
Some time later, the neighbors attacked the kingdom. The King and his army fought bravely but lost the battle. The King fled on his horse and the enemies followed him. The King found himself standing at the mouth of a deep ditch. If he jumped into it, there would be no way out. The sound of the enemy horses were approaching fast and the King became restless. There was nowhere else to go.
The King remembered his ring and about the engraving. He decided to read the message.
“This, too, shall pass.”
The King read it again and again until something struck him. Yes! This, too, will pass. Only a few days ago, I was enjoying my kingdom; I was the mightiest of all the Kings. Yet today, the Kingdom and all its pleasures are gone. I am trying to flee from my enemies. But just as those days of luxuries have gone, this time of danger will pass, too. Calm came over the King. He remained still and silent. The King looked around at the place where he was standing and realized how beautiful it was. He had never known that such a beautiful place existed in his Kingdom.
The revelation of the ring’s message had a great effect on him. He relaxed and forgot about his pursuing enemies. After a while, he realized that the noise of galloping horses had receded and that his enemies had lost him.
The King gathered himself and reorganized his shambled forces and fought again. He defeated the enemy and reclaimed his empire. When he returned to the city after the victory, he was received with much fanfare. The whole capital was rejoicing and everyone was in a festive mood. Flowers rained down upon the King from every house, from every terrace as he trotted by. People were dancing and singing. In this moment the King thought to himself, “I am one of the bravest and greatest Kings. It is not easy to defeat me.” In all of the celebration an ego emerged in the King.
Then a ray of sunlight caught the King’s ring and sharply flashed into his eye reminding him of its message, “This, too, shall pass.”
He lowered his gaze and his valiant expression changed to one of humility. He realized, again, that if this, too, is going to pass, it is not yours. The defeat was not yours. The victory was not yours. You are just a player. Everything passes by. We are witnesses of all of this. We are the beholders.
Happiness comes and goes. Sorrow comes and goes. And Life?
This, too, shall pass.

God failed. He failed miserably.
Posted by: One | March 26, 2020 at 12:31 AM
There are people actually saying Why would God actually allow such a virus? Why would God allow such an epidemic and in here @One pronounces God failed. It’s as if some things happens and God intervenes and then there are other things that happen and God doesn’t intervene. The fundamental point missed is – Nothing happens unless God makes it happen. Everything that happens, happens for a divine purpose and a divine reason otherwise IT CANNOT HAPPEN.

Dear Brian and All American Brothers and Sisters
Please take care and stay safe.
You would know the reasons for this nasty spike in numbers. Please do share it for our benefit.
India remains afloat at end of Day 2 of it’s lockdown. Slew of measures announced by our very knowledgeable, pragmatic connected and popular Prime Minister. Measures hailed by even his worst opponent Rahul Gandhi.

https://prepareforchange.net/2016/02/20/list-of-over-100-dead-microbiologists/
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@all
I Guessed here almost a year ago
I hoped that GSD, when The MAUJ deeply changed
took 2B and changed that with heavenly foreknow intuitions
and serendipities
in 200 Tr
While nobody will know except for the bang
We All will forgive ( except Sp.) HIM
and will praise The MAUJ and Shabd for ever and ever
777

Play video.
https://www.masterclass.com/classes/neil-degrasse-tyson-teaches-scientific-thinking-and-communication/trailer/6115775849001

https://youtu.be/OsAd4HGJS4o

God failed. He failed miserably.
Posted by: One | March 26, 2020 at 12:31 AM
There are people actually saying Why would God actually allow such a virus? Why would God allow such an epidemic and in here @One pronounces God failed. It’s as if some things happens and God intervenes and then there are other things that happen and God doesn’t intervene. The fundamental point missed is – Nothing happens unless God makes it happen. Everything that happens, happens for a divine purpose and a divine reason otherwise IT CANNOT HAPPEN.
Posted by: A Wise 🦉 | March 26, 2020 at 12:16 PM
Interesting logic you have.
If what you say is true, then God made me type that comment. We both win.

@all
I Guessed here almost a year ago
I hoped that GSD, when The MAUJ deeply changed
took 2B and changed that with heavenly foreknow intuitions
and serendipities
in 200 Tr
While nobody will know except for the bang
We All will forgive ( except Sp.) HIM
and will praise The MAUJ and Shabd for ever and ever
777
Posted by: 💥.💥.💥 | March 27, 2020 at 12:06 PM
Jesus Christ. This reads like something out of the book of Revelations.
Appreciate your ability to keep the faith… I mean, at least you’re not preaching all gloom and doom.