Tough talk about Rajinder Singh from a disillusioned ex-disciple

Like I said in my introduction to your message, I’m pleased that you’ve become disillusioned with Rajinder Singh. Like you say, he may be a good person — perhaps even a “saint” (whatever that means) — but almost certainly he is not God in Human Form.
I enjoyed your thoughts about how it isn’t necessary to meditate 2.5 hours a day in a certain required way to feel a sense of spirituality, peace, love, and calmness.
I used to do that myself, meditate for several hours a day. I did that for many years. Now, I meditate only for 20 minutes in the morning in a secular Buddhist/Taoist fashion. Works for me, and even better than the much lengthier more mystical sort of previous meditation did.
You’re in a difficult transition period, having separated yourself from people (the “satsang”) who shared your previous beliefs. It’s natural to feel a bit lonely and maybe even have some doubts about whether you’ve done the right thing.
I’m quite sure that you have.
Be strong. Be true to yourself. If there is a God (I doubt there is, but anything is possible, just not probable), I’m confident that She is looking fondly upon you, pleased that you’ve chosen truth over falsehood.

Thanks for sharing Brian.

There are several ways to be half a minute ENTIRELY THOUGHTLESS
while being very awake.
– Ascese and so during many many lives li
– Work hard on meditations under the guidance of one who knows the way and can help you when you are ‘IN’
– The glance of a as you say a HIHM
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ps
When somebody had the bad chance to find the wrong guide or an ignoramous , charlatan,
you can always go on and best try to find the last option

I am very sorry to hear about your painful experience. I hope that you and your son will recover well from this. My best wishes to you!

by the way,
that guy looks very scary!!

i would like to talk to this person. I am not initiated but i meditate. But 2 and a half hours for two years and no experience… is a long time. there must be something wrong. the child crying is really unfortunate. at times members may be unscrupulous and act irrationally. they should have been gentle with the child. nevertheless; what i am saying is, one hour of meditation for a few days would at least increase your concentration to a level that u can see the flashes of lights(looks like bright stars blinking). I never liked reciting mantras or doing simran because like what the author said; u would fine yourself chanting even when you dont want too. Well; we can see and observe this phenomenon when we listen to a song and then the song gets stuck in the head. the writer should have told the master that i cant see anything (when the master touched his eyes); and should have observed the masters actions. meditation has its benefits. NTNU, university of amsterdam… to name a few are doing researches based on it. What is meditation? Its keeping your mind focused. thats it. All the rules and regulations are becoming too noisy. do this, do that…..I think most of us prefer a good and a simple life.

If you don’t mind, i recommend you to talk with Rajinder singh personally or send him a letter, he can give you a good answer.

well, one of rajinder’s biggest supporters and now family member (son married the daughter of rajinder) publically slandered a Saint in his ‘book’ journey to the luminous.
So whatever, is what say.
Just a pile of blah blah blah….

As it seem to me, India’s democrats don’t point out relentlessly enough that state and religion should be sepreated if a nation wants to be called a democrasy. And I’m not saying that a nation that does have that particular point in its constituition is a proper democrasy just because they do have this pointed out in their constitution. Anyway…
It is a fact, in modern political science, that religion has no right to interfere in politics because the realms those two utterly seperate kinds of “sciences” don’t go together. They are like fire and water. They can not exist in the same place at the same time.
Self-proclaimed religious people, who use their particular brand of religion to further their religious agenda by engaging in politcs, are just this: Another can of wormes, that makes democrasy look like as if it needs any kind of support from “the beyond”, while it just DON’T.

MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PRESENCE OF SANT RAJINDER SINGH JI MAHARAJA IN THE LASTS 19 YEARS HAS BEEN THE BEST EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE. I HAVE ONLY SEEN PERFECTION…IN THIS HOLY SATGURU. HIS GUIDANCE..WITHIN AND IN MUNDANE LIFE..HAS BEEN .FILLED WITH DIVINE GRACE .AND DIVINE.LOVE.MANY OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS I AM BLESSED YO KNOW ALSO SHARE THIS BLESSING.I FEEL LIKE THE MOST FORTUNATE..SOUL.HE HAS HELPED ALL MY FAMILY…MY FRIENDS CO WORKERS….I SEE HIS HAND IN EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIVE EVERY MOMENT..ALL LOVE AND LIGHT KATHRYN ROSE

TO ADD TO THE EXPERINCE ABOVE I HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE IN THE PRESENCE OF A TRUE GODMAN SANT RAJINDER SINGH JI MAHARAJA IN THE LASTS 25 YEARS HAS BEEN THE BEST EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE. THERE IS ONLY PERFECTION…HIS GUIDANCE..WITHIN AND IN MUNDANE LIFE..HAS BEEN .FILLED WITH DIVINE GRACE .AND DIVINE.LOVE.MANY OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS I AM BLESSED YO KNOW ALSO SHARE THIS BLESSING.I FEEL LIKE THE MOST FORTUNATE..SOUL.HE HAS HELPED ALL MY FAMILY…MY FRIENDS CO WORKERS….I SEE HIS HAND IN EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIVE EVERY MOMENT..ALL LOVE AND LIGHT
THOSE WHO SAY THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING IN THE PRESENCE OF HH.SANT RAJINDER SINGH JI MAHARAJ ARE NOT RECEPTIVE TO THE MASTER POWER / GOD POWER WORKING WITHIN AND ARE ONLY RECEPTIVE TO THE MIND WHICH PUTS EVERYTHING IN DUALITY. EVEN IN THE BASIC LAW OF PHYSICS IT IS A PROVEN FACT THAT IF ONE SITS NEAR THE FIRE WILL HAVE THE EFFECT FROM THE HEAT. SAME THING APPLIES IN SPIRITUALITY ONE HAS TO BE RECEPTIVE TO GAIN ANYTHING ON THIS SPIRITUAL PATH.

Kathryn Rose & Vick Bost,
You are probably the same person – and just a tip – there is a button on the keyboard labelled CAPS LOCK – press it once.
Perfection? You see what you want to see. You will delete, distort anything that is not ‘perfect’ to make it fit.
This is what the mind does once it believes something.
If you create a belief that Rijindar is a godman and perfect – you will make sure you are right – and change the incoming data accordingly.
First you have to define what you mean by perfect, Almost certainly you will have trouble defining it.
It’s a great excuse to say those who don’t get anything are not receptive.
I could say I see unicorns everywhere – and if you don’t, its because you are not receptive enough to the unicorn-power (master-power)
Share with us your actual inner experience. Since you are just an anonymous person – you are not breaking any vows.
How do you perceive that you are blessed by his grace?

Can anyone tel me where i can mail/ contact/ call Maharaj ji ??

dear, I’m very sorry to learn about your experience, I totally comprehend to your feelings but please don’t mind if I say, everyone’s life and karma are different and everyone takes their own time to get those experiences, I appreciate you meditate around 2 hours, I’d recommend you keep it up and try visiting the master to get your answers, try reading his books with nor +ve or -ve thought. I wish you all the best Lord bless you!

Here’s a copy paste for you from a book written by Sant Kirpal
” God has to look after His children, of course through some human pole. It is helpful to pray to Him, “O Lord, wherever You are, appear to me.” If the prayer is sincere He will most definitely answer. He has appeared to sincere people who have neither seen nor heard Him. History has shown, and even recent incidents have proven that prayer is answered.”
Don’t get upset, just sit calm and pray to Lord sincerely, he’ll certainly listen

Rajinder singh has superpowers . I WAS his disciple. And i have experienced his superpowers. He has not one, but many superpowers. Reason why i’m no longer is disciple cause i had a first hand experience of his superpowers and it was too much for me to handle. So, here’s a list of his powers which each one of you here will agree.
1- Not ‘God’man but ‘Con’man ! – it needs some great skills to fool people over all these years. Or may be, we are too easy to get fooled by this loser rajinder.
2- do super cars count as a superpower too? – it’s okay to buy big cars if you gotta big butt like him, and a whole lot of charity money by your blind followers.
3- Oh yes, marketing is in his blood- just see how his spiritual organisation has evolved into a big fat company of a chain of aashrams, schools, etc..across the globe, with obviously, my cute rajinder being the owner.
4- Rajinder always wins the race against time- no matter how early you make to his ‘sat’sangs..you’re eventually going to get late. If you know what i mean..
5- rajinder loves to color his facial hair, forhead hair, eyebrows etc..And then he preaches about our attachement with this body.
Okay, i’m already feeling too lowlife. I have wasted about a couple of years over rajinder, and now, 5 more minutes. No rajinder, you can’t let me fall for you again.
Sorry.
Not sorry.
P.s. oh rajinder, you bloody coriander.

1. If you are Initiated and have got light and sound. From what I understand you have the passport to make your way to the highest realm.
2. The Master has given you all he can. The sound burns away your daily karmas and the light guides you on your way. Both are essential for union with the Master and liberation of the soul.
3. The lighter you make the load the quicker your ascent into higher realms. Hence ethical living and regular meditation as prescribed.
4. There are four realms and four ethereal bodies to die from before the soul can be set free from the mind. Thinking is a process that needs to be observed and silenced.
5. If your mind is engaged in thinking and you have not learned to silent it – it will distract you even more especially in meditation. The charged names will help focus the attention to free you from the body and senses.
6. Keep meditating on the light and the sound as per instruction. If you digress it takes longer so attend Satsangs cause that helps keep you on track and there is a charging there that helps as well.
7. Good Luck.

There many book online that you can read.
Here is one I enjoyed. https://www.scribd.com/doc/30325642/Sawan-Singh-Discourses-on-Sant-Mat

Answer to the very good comment of Scinece of Stupidity : those powers are black magic, tricks. Maybe a connection ( i know little about all this and also do not want to know) with strange beings? Ghosts?
And of course, loads of money plus the free help of meditators who are specialized in marketing and willing to work for the guru, also help a lot.
I was told by Indian people who see through all those socalled gurus that they use magic. All experiences you may have are the result of manipulation (on deep level) and are NOT good for you at all. They may even damage you very deeply. Without you noticing it as those snakes Always have an answer when you complain.
Looking back (i left many years ago) I see clearly that the meditation is dangerous, the experiences dangerous too and not beneficial for anybody except the guru and his followers. Money money.
Most of the other meditators were mentally unstable (some real lunatics) and if they were not, they became unstable in the long run because of their efforts to do the meditation. Others had many problems in life and were looking for help. Instead of that they got exploited.
It is evil. the very best part of you gets exploited and you may get severe health and mental problems because of it.You are the victim of vultures, but vultures who present themselves very well.
For new comers in such an organization it is not easy to see through the crooks. You think to have ended up in a meditation that is not after money – but they sure are though and for big money too, and they use in some way your spiritual energy for themselves .
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Please everybody leave these snakes and find your own way, your real own simple way with both feet on the earth .

So glad i left, if these so called gurus use black magic that is a spiritual thing and it cannot be dealt with by “your real own simple way with both feet on the earth.”
If you are under a spiritual attack you need spiritual protection.

I was initiated by Kirpal Singh in 1969. I spent 6 months with him in India. I had enough inner experiences (inner light, sound current) to feel satisfied. He was a true mystic I believe and I beilieve he really had no desire to be a guru. He once whispered to me while passing, I would not wish this job on anyone.
I have a lot of trouble with the present situation where the Guru’s daughter is married to a multi-millionaire cereal king’s son. Having experienced Kirpal, I can say for me personally that there is nothing there for me with Rajinder.
I also believe that it is challenging to find a true spiritual friend. I feel Kirpal was that for me. The Satsang ( religion) was and still is often a lot of unevolved petty egos masking themselves as spiritual. Parshad is now marketing for the cerial king.
Someone advice writing Rajinder. Good luck. My wife had a letter hand delivered and we never heard a word.
I hope you do find the light and sound. I can only tell you that they are real and truly ecstatic.
Having said that do not lose your health or sanity or dignity in the search.

Dear Seeker(s)
A true perfect living master will not call himself a master
A true perfect living master will not ask for money for his discourses, initiations, etc.
A true perfect living master will never leave the disciple but be a friend forever

I feel when a satsangi is in intense pain…. physical… psychological…mental…. economically…and it’s unbearable and he continues to be in same state from 30 years then HE must intervene and make the things favourable to suit him Upto the extent atleast that he shouldn’t have any complaints for the pain and losses of last 30 years. 30 years are enough my dear friend to suffer.

I am also very sorry about hearing your experience with Maharaj Ji. I have been initiated for 20 years now from the Master, and I considered myself not a perfect disciple. I don’t know whether or not you have had the opportunity to meet the Master, but honestly, I have seen him only 4 times in my years to initiation. I have also visited many other cults, religions, and talked to many other people, and I can say that being a disciple of a perfect Master is the hardest challenge of my life and it may take my whole life to perfect the art of mediation. Like a profession, practicing meditation requires constant and accurate practice, and even is doing it, it is only the grace of God when can have those practices.

Still, even if I get very few experiences, trying to achieve perfection will never ever be a waste of time. At the end, we all are gonna pass away, whether we are from one religion or another.

Disillusioned disciple – You were expecting heaven in one sitting when we are so full of sins and imperfections. It takes 16 years of hard grind of labor in school starting as a young child and another 4-8 years to master a subject in this world or to gain proficiency in any field. If you started out in school/college with this judgemental attitude and quit the first instance something did not appeal to you, you would be nowhere. Yet to find God who is the ocean of all perfection, love, bliss, we want instant miracles and are not willing to meditate or weed out our own imperfections! Start with an open mind and a willingness on your part (meditation and ethical living) before judging and criticizing a revered Spiritual teacher whom millions love and respect because of his unconditional love and ability to connect seekers to the divine light and heavenly music without charging any money!! Ultimately it is your choice!!! No one is forcing you to do meditate or follow a meditation teacher. So be at peace and don’t hurt others with your criticism who love and revere their spiritual teacher out of heart and not because of any compulsion simply because they have been benefitted immensely.

Oh, for Heaven’s sake! It is blindingly obvious that Master Rajinder is a very high soul. He is also a rare example of a spiritual teacher who is genuinely supportive and friendly to those of us caught up in a controversial personality scenario. What more could be wanted in life. Go to work. (I think you know what I’m talking about.)

Lol

You are absolutely right. I am someone who has really positive spiritual experiences in Hindu temples, where i go into a state of bliss and connect with the higher power.
I joined this meditation when i was recovering from an illness, to feel good, as i stay abroad and don’t have a temple nearby to soak in the positive energy. It was fine for a week, as everything looked positive and nice. After a week, true colours started coming out. They use Abusive language, don’t respect ancient scriptures or traditions and rubbish festivals which are meant to bring joy. I was expected to undo all my past spiritual experiences and only follow their teachings. I believe in meditation, but this was getting too suffocating for me as I receive massive spiritual energy through devotion. Hinduism is pluralistic, and we have several paths to attaining moksha, one being devotion. And devotion in this case only meant devotion to guru. I found it too superficial and stopped going for this meditation and went back to the path which gives me bliss!

Dear disillusioned Satsangi,
Your main grudge against the Master stems from your child’s ear ache. You write that your son wept and you didn’t listen to him. How is that Master’s fault? The organiser of the event wasn’t known to your kid, did your child trustingly narrate the cause of his discomfort to the Satsangi? I would confront the concerned person and clarify before posting on a hate blog!
How is the foreigner manager pushing you around? You again shoot an accusation without Instantiating. You have never talked to Master and call the entire Mission a scam.
As far as SEVA is concerned, I am sure nobody ever stopped you from reaching out to orphaned children. The ashram precincts only allow regular platform to contribute through voluntary service. What do you know about dairy in India? Cows are respected like a mother, treated like a pet and loved like a member of the family in most parts of rural India. Indians gave not yet adopted heartless ways of American dairy farming completely. So yes, dairy is allowed here. If you had just asked this question to the Master, he would have to,d you that veganism is wonderful and dairy is allowed only as long as cows are not mal-treated. FYI, Master is a vegan himself.
Oh and about the male Masters, santmat is the only path which doesn’t discriminate on the basis of gender, class, region, religion etc. History and historians do carry that bias though. Ever heard of Saint Sahjo bai, Rabia Basri? Women, meditators par excellence. If you manage to raise a daughter without forcing her into strict gender roles, without tying her down within strict ties of patriarchy, expose her to early meditation experience and if she manages to find her spiritual calling- sure, no one on the path would oppose her being a Saint and Master. I wont say anything about your spiritual experience since that is your personal agenda. But so far, your blog proves that you went on the Path feeling privilege (for being a Westerner?), you did not seek clear communication, you make too many assumptions and pass ill-informed judgements. Also you couldn’t talk to the Master in English, but wrote a lengthy hate blog in not-your-mother-tongue language! Let go of your egotistical high point and think!

Dear Scinece of Stupidity,
Thanks for being so clear about your introduction. Reads- stupidity, fool, lowlife!
It is clear that you are jealous of his and his family’s success in worldly affairs. Well, like many Indians, they worked hard and made it big in America without the White man’s privilege.
So you have a problem with Master’s daughter marrying the son of a millionaire. My question is why can’t she find love in a man who follows the same path as her and happens to come from a well-off family? Aren’t you jealous that your daughter couldn’t or wouldn’t find someone as handsome, as well suited a man as her husband?
If you seek a beggar for a Master, who has no money, cannot groom himself- well, many homeless, delusional clowns like you would be a good company.

I spent my life affiliated with this group as my family has been a follower of the SoS masters for a couple generations. I learned the simran and bajan meditation techniques as a child and practiced them throughout my adolescents, then less so as a young adult. I am now middle aged and I will not associate with this group. I have seen a lot. And it all tells me the teachings are not exemplified in how this organization is run or lead. It pains me to see some members of my family still following Rajinder to their detriment. But they are old now and know nothing else. I have had stronger meditations with other techniques. The mental gymnastics to rationalize and justify everything is impressive but not convincing. No, Kal has not taken over my heart and mind. I live a full, happy, healthy life without the lies and false teachings. There is a lot of unhealthy thinking in this group of people. Oh well. I’m just glad I made it out.

What a dreadful situation to be human, isn’t it? The mind chooses to believe one thing but not something else. All the while we kill things and eat them then eject and repeat. Eventually something kills us. We suffer and enjoy the entire time from birth to death. We have no instruction manual, though many claim their favorite book is the one true guide. There are numerous gurus of various kinds who can teach everything from confidence to reading minds…or so we hear. We can’t tell a fake from a real one since we don’t even know what differentiates the two. One thing is highly probably, though. The mind is not the answer.
Best of luck on whatever you choose to hang your hat on. It’s going to be quite a ride regardless.

Regarding sacred lineages > its important to see the big picture: The Being who began each sacred lineage, the one who got it directly from GOD, must have been a stellar devotee! The successors or caretakers of the anointing were deemed worthy to inherit it, which is very high, but they are not necessarily as high as was the original.
All sacred lineages ever birthed in this world have ended. I’m deducing this tragedy is due to the sins of the Overseer.

Everything from your visiting there to practising/ un practising/ seva/ initiation is voluntary. I am assuming you were never forced for all this including travelling. It is mighty that there is no practise in the world which people have not criticised. Some benefit, some don’t. I did! and probably from everything (extreme grave incidences) I have dealt with compassion, that’s what I learnt all these 20 plus years.
Having blasphamic thinking and passing derogatory remarks reflects you would say about all the things around you and in the world. Nothing, perhaps nothing will keep you at peace with so much hatred about everything on your blog.
May God still bless you!
Ps: just paste your identity on your blog like you do it for others without asking.

Kiren, it’s pretty obvious who I am. Just check out the books I’ve written in the right sidebar. And note the Welcome section, also in the right sidebar, which has a link to my BrianHines.com web page. I’m not shy about who I am, which is… Brian Hines. Also, my blog isn’t filled with hate. It is filled with truth as I see it, and as science sees it.

Kirin, I don’t think you understand Brian Ji’s work. To question is the foundation of learning. Change isn’t treason. Change is growth.

Kiren,
Even GSD said just today that he doesn’t have a problem with people who question or doubt.
Anyway, Brian was a devout satsangi for 35 years. He followed the four vows. I’m not sure how long Spence followed RSSB. What’s weird about any spiritual path is when they claim all you have to do is follow set rules and then you will “see” the truth. That doesn’t happen. It honest to God, sincerely does not happen like that for most people.
You expect people to follow the map you’ve drawn but it hits a dead end and then the followers who have spent years and decades dedicated to seeing the truth are the ones who get criticized for not having results.
It would be better if the masters said from day one that you need to do this but don’t expect anything.

Brian, I read your bio, Wiki etc. I missed on details. I had an outburst like a little child who when hears anything bad about their parents, sibling no matter how much they fight ( and Jesus, this was an abuse).
The thread reads questioning, learning, change et al. Agreed again! (My response is for all – the manifestation of questions)!
1.
I am a professor, my students ask me questions and sometimes are satisfied and may be due to my designation or their values – sometimes they might just say yes, doubt cleared! One student, Ali- says that madam, your psychology subject sounds maths to me. Coming to me later saying that my concentration is bad lately, this is the tragedy of my life and I am not able to connect with anyone in the world. Provided solutions lately himself, same for personal learning sessions and today is pursuing Doctorate& we are happily connected. ( I am proud of his comfort questioning to me, although people with bruised psyche don’t need answers , they heal with self effort and time)
2.
A mother had 13 children. Few became doctors, few engineers, one or two writers, few in media, politicians, one sits idle and abuses people, one became a criminal, one became a most wanted criminal in the world…
(Is the mother wrong in imparting values) …. she taught the same lesson to all,
3.
Questioning and hurling abuses like assholes (in other write ups) – there seem a difference between them.
I see everybody as a teacher around. I learn from kids, I learn from my dog, I learn from walls, I learn from ants, trees, people and more. I question too ….
But I don’t blame if they couldn’t teach me what in my head I wanted to learn.
Very sorry to say, I read a couple of blogs this morning- Brian , all of them were so negative (even if they started positive, the rif raf starts after second para). Critical thinking is good but you seem to be a spiritual chauvinist , Brian! (Its a manifestation of any of your personality traits perhaps )
I buy all your points but some people have a snowflake mentality. The problem is within Brian… build yourself with virtues of empathy, resilience and solutions…
Evolve yourself, question with dignity, be an ex-y-ef disciple or whatever, but introspect. Respect any God you believe in or even if you are atheist, sufi or whatever… do all , do none…. (This applied to me as well)
Just a bit sentimental, my mentors and teachers are my life saviours. Posting a picture like in wanted criminals zone was heart wrenching , that’s it (this specific blog). I acquired a lot, I learnt a lot… and I will heal through this too…
“ I might be thorough with laws of mind, enthused student of psychology or metaphysics, but a child in my lap and dog near my feet- needs compassion and love not my knowledge or opinion” – Russel Perkins book review on ‘Eye Opener”, Rev. Emily, J. 1969.
May the world be more positive!
Ps- Sonia- I am not a RSSB follower , I just respect everyone, that’s what I have learnt all my life from many teachers. And Questioning isn’t a problem at all!

Sorry Brian ji (as people address you) , Also realised that you cleared you identity! I read the ‘me’ again.
Best

Listen very well said and my sentiments exactly. Thank you for speaking out.

Kiren it meant to say

This man is completely cheating people. From where is he getting all the money although he says I’m doing SEVA. How do you think his wife has the money to get makeup done prior to every event he comes to talk ??
I certainly think these kind of people should be stripped as they are inducing false belief in educated people.
To an extent I can still say Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is good as they are not using the money that people donate for living a luxurious life. This man is stealing wealth from people in the form of SEVA, uses it to buy expensive watches , jewels for his wife and spending it for the luxury living of his children.
Stop misguiding innocent people. If you truly care for people and want to help, learn to forgo pleasures before you even speak and advise people.

I am commenting because I can see that there are a lot of misconceptions about the master.
Just to clarify , the jewels and the cars come from his own money. He has his own source of income. If you all have ever visited the Ashram ( which I am assuming you haven’t ) , then you would see how much help the organisation provides to the society.
The SEVA is used for such purposes( the free operations and what all ) . If you have ever visited the canteen then you would realise that how the food is given at below the mrp price etc. Who pays for the margin ?
He is a successful engineer. He has his own source of income and he has a family of doctors etc.
Whatever possessions he has , it’s frol his own money. Maharaj ji not propagates to give up on the humanly possessions. He says that one should be happy with what one has and be satisfied. He never says that you leave everything and don’t wear jewellery or don’t buy cars.
Millions of followers follow him because they feel how he has helped them and keeps on helping them.
One can see the radiant form of the master infront of them but still won’t trust because you dont wanna trust. It is as simple as that.

Sant Rajinder Singh Ji Maharaj has personally helped me through some very difficult situations over the years. He has been most kind and gracious towards me and my family. I will never forget what he has done for me. I am forever grateful to this loving Satguru.

what kindness has to do with what is being talked about now !!! , it is clear that this “guru” is taking advantage of people

Finally, what successful business do they talk about? If the only known job he had was 30 years ago, is he going to still have money? What deluded fools are those who follow the impostor Rajinder Singh just like Kirpal is a mythomaniac

Hi,
I’m sorry to hear you had such a bad experience with fellow satsangis’.
I’ve been an initiate for 20 plus years, my parents were also.
I didn’t like it when I was younger, and was embarrased when we followed the tours. There are satsangis’ who I didn’t much like also throughout the years, but many are truly extraordinary human beings.
It wasn’t until I was in my 30’s that I finally had an experience, and it was quite a life changing experience.
I also used to send letters asking for life advice all the time when I was young, and looking at those old letters now, the advice is spot on and very detailed and relevant to specific events that unfolded. He was nothing but patient and understanding in all my interactions.
Regardless of what beliefs anyone may have, they only encourage people to be better, kinder and have empathy and understanding from one human being to another. Non violence, truthfulness, and service to those in need is not a cult.
I would try again, write a letter asking for guidance, ask whatever questions you need answered to satisfy your need to understand and make your own decision.
All the best

I wonder why do people believe in such Guru’s? As we all know no man on earth ever has supernatural powers. This man like anyone else is just an ordinary human being. In my opinion he just found a short cut to make his living. How do you think he was able to afford a Rolex watch ? From does he get the money to buy jewelry and fancy clothing and make up for his wife ? Think about it… By no means he is doing what he claims to be. He is just cheating innocent lives and indirectly making his disciples become slave for him. I have witnessed it myself, with someone I know who madly believes in this man. He made all the people who had gone to Chicago to visit the center become slaves for a event that he organized for his grandsons birthday. He probably terms it as Seva but just imagine you are going there to meet your guru and now you end up serving food and cleaning tables in an event that your Guru has organized for his own pleasure. Recently no on his birthday he apparently did the same. Instead of avoiding gatherings during these difficult times, in order to raise funds again, he had a drive through Birthday celebration. I guess that says it all. I would only tell people here that become self aware , listen to preaching that are valuable but do not become blind in worship. Be aware at the end of the day that he is just an ordinary human but has made this a business for his living.

@ Annonymus
In that line of thought you can discuss anything.
Government, civil service people, etc … all the things humans do, they to it only for their own glory and advantage.
Many years ago, there was a fund raising for a famine in Africa. In the post office before donating a cheque i was asking myself whether I was doing it with the right motive, j… just and only for the welfare of these poor people. An acquaintance came to speak to me and i told him that I didn’t know what to do. He asked me: “Do you think that these people are interested in you or your motives … they are not interested at all … they just want your money …. If you can aford it just give it and forget about your motives. And that was what I did.
In a restaurant, the staff is approaching the guests with utmost, friendliness and do whatever they can so that the guests feel comfortable, at home etc etc. The guests are happy to receive that treatment .. it is even the reason for them to go there and have themselves treated as “kings” and are willing to pay for it… certainly if the establisgment is ranked as having one or more stars in the Guide Michelin.
You are like a man entering that establishment going from table to table “informing” the guests that the are used buy the owner to make money and that the owner in realy gives a sxxt about them.
Have some coffe .. it will do you good … and … I do not know that Rajinder feloow.

I also hear someone called ” Seth E Rosenblit ” Rajinder singh has helped me , but what he has helped you with is that perhaps he lent you money , listening to your problems and believing that he magically solved them does not count as a ” fix ” stop fooling yourself and think False teacher Rajinder singh solves problems

Hello fellow seekers. I’ll start off by saying I’m 69 years old and have been a practicing Sant Mat since 1978. I was initiated by Sant Darshan Singh in 1982.
As a kid I was bullied and quit school at 14 and ended up on the streets addicted to meth. I was vulnerable and pretty shitty stuff happened to me. Desperate for a way out and being interested in spiritual things, do to a near death experience when I was 13 , I decided to try out TM, thanks to the Beatles influence. They wouldn’t have me because I didn’t have the $350 for the introduction and I was a street kid . I made a promise that I would never get involved with an organization that asked for money and who professed they where interested in you spiritual wellbeing. The next 4 years I came close to death 3 times until one evening a someone found me OD in a gutter. The bundle me up through me in a taxi. This person and his wife gave me a home in the county and helped me get clean.
That NDE I experienced when I was 13 was still vivid and I often wondered who that light being was and the memory of the intoxicating music. I longed for it and there started a sincere search for the truth of that experience. Was a magical time. At some point I left Haida Gwaii and moved back to Vancouver. It’s interesting trying to peace this all together, so much was happening and it felt like years, but it was just months. One day I walked into the local metaphysical bookstore called Banyan Books, to get another book by Meher Baba. I had been following the teachings of Baba for 2 years and had just broken a 6 month silence, inspired by Baba, for he had not spoken a word for 40 years. Right next to the Baba publications my eyes caught sight of a radiant figure on a book cover. The book was “ Morning Talks by Kirpal Singh. I picked it and started leafing through the pages and was smitten. Fortunately for me Meher Baba stressed the importance of having a living teacher and i thought this was my lucky day. It was not to be for Master Kirpal had just passed away 2 months earlier. I was devastated. I connected with the local group and learned the basic techniques for meditation and consumed every book I could get my hands on the teachings of Sant Mat.
After Sant Kirpal passed away, there was much turmoil within the organization as to who the successor was . I guess it’s to be expected, after all we are human. It was a terrible time. I check out the contenders and took initiation with one. The teachings claim that a competent teacher will be able to give you a first hand experience of light and sound, which I did but it was nothing compared to the NDE I had at 13. A few years passed with no real progress and thats a problem for us impatient mortals. Impatience is a mystic’s worst enemy. If you’re impatient, you’re not a mystic. Come to think, if you are inclined to call yourself a mystic, then I guess you’re not one either. A seeker is always better off being silent . At this time I suffered from sleep paralysis but I didn’t know it at the time. I just thought I was doing the meditation practice wrong and that it was creating these terrifying symptoms. So one day at a public talk I asked the Master what I might be doing wrong to creat these symptoms. He proceeded to attack me for blaming him for this. At this time I lost faith and started to continue my search.
The following year I decided to take initiation with beloved Master Darshan Singh. I did receive a mild experience but nothing mind shattering that I haven’t already been experiencing. So doubts still persisted until I went to India to see him. At the time he was still a Government employee and it was his custom to tie his beard up. One day he called all the westerners up at 1am to be with him in his living room for food and casual conversation about the path of Sant Mat, and that’s when I recognized him from my NDE I had at 13. There in front of me was the same radiant being with his hair freshly washed and his beard untied.
It was at one of these early morning sessions that I brought up the question about my negative experiences I was having and preceded to explain the symptoms, just as I had done with my previous teacher. This time he looked at me with them incredibly beautiful eyes and preceded to tell me it was a disease of the mind. I was a bit taken aback and preceded to question him , thinking it was due to improper meditation technique. Once again he answered the same, disease of the mind. I didn’t want to except this answer so I once more started to debate him when he interrupted me and called for his assistant to bring him the homeopathic material medica. He opened up the book and started reading out all my symptoms. Floored me. He new exactly what was going on. So he made an appointment with his personal physician to get a remedy. I had been suffering from these symptoms for 10 years and since that day, I have had no recurrences. Note, I personally don’t really believe in homeopathy but I believe it might be a medium he uses to do miraculous deeds without letting on who doing them. Then again, maybe there is some validity in homeopathy.
So to present day. My Guru passed away and Master Rajinder took up the task of being the Master. Now I am well aware of the family lineage and to be honest it’s caused some doubts over the years but I have not found anyone or any teachings that could embrace me with all my imperfections like this path and the Masters could. Over the years I have verbally spoken of all my deepest, darkest, secrets that I’ve been carrying , and not once have they ever made me feel regret for bringing them up. They have always console me and given me good healthy advice on how to proceed. Never once have they asked me for money, although it is an aspect of the teachings to do selfless service and donate 10% of your earnings to charitable causes, but no one is making you or judging you if you don’t. Personally I donate to relief charities and on occasion to the local group for the upkeep of the local centre when I can. I never had to pay for initiation.
I’ve had many amazing encounters with Master Rajinder. He’s never done anything to make me doubt his best intentions for me. Always encouraging and giving. This path, if you are in a rush, might leave you frustrated. It a process which each individual is unique in how they unfold. We all have baggage that first needs to be eliminated. It takes time, be patient. How many lifetimes in countless forms has it been in? The nice thing about all of this is, once initiated, that power within the Master promises to take you back to your origin. The Master will never turn his or hers back on you. You may wander off for perceived better things but in the end it will be there when you most need it. So, if you don’t believe, that’s ok. He’s still a great friend who seems to never run out of love. Can’t go wrong with that.

To all fellow satsangies on this page who seem to be agitated towards others who do not share your sentiments? Why? Does it mater? If it does, it’s time for you to meditate some more.

@Woodstock
Very interesting experiences you’ve had… thanks for sharing. I guess our “living Masters” really do depend on our karma.
I follow a form of mysticism that is so close to Sant May it’s almost bizarre… because on the surface they seem completely opposite but they’re not.
That said, I was initiated by Gurunder Singh Dhillon. Good or bad, right or wrong I really can’t help but love him completely even after ALL of our disagreements and everything that’s happened. I don’t care if RS perfect or not perfect. I don’t care. I just care about him as he is. I’m not saying he’s a saint and I’m not saying he’s not a saint. I’m just saying that I recognize how much he means to me personally regardless of whether we agree on everything or not.
That said, we are all ONE. It’s ok to be different. Being “different” doesn’t 🟰 separate.

OMG… so many typos. Perhaps I omitted something very important as well.
Corrected ⬇️
“@Woodstock
Very interesting experiences you’ve had… thanks for sharing. I guess our ‘living Masters’ really do depend on our karma.
I follow a form of mysticism that is so close to Sant Mat it’s almost bizarre… because on the surface they seem completely opposite but they’re not.
That said, I was initiated by Gurunder Singh Dhillon. Good or bad, right or wrong I really can’t help but love him completely even after ALL of our disagreements and everything that’s happened. I don’t care if he’s perfect or not perfect. I don’t care. I just care about him as he is. I’m not saying he’s a saint and I’m not saying he’s not a saint. I’m just saying that I recognize how much he means to me personally regardless of whether we agree on everything or not.
That said, we are all ONE. It’s ok to be different. Being ‘different’ doesn’t 🟰 separate.”
It’s like ‘Family’—Friends, loved ones, neighbors… there are people that play key roles in our lives, and through all the good times, and despite all the bad times we can’t help but love them BECAUSE they are a part of us.
I can’t stress that enough.

@ 808
>> I just care about him as he is. I’m not saying he’s a saint and I’m not saying he’s not a saint. I’m just saying that I recognize how much he means to me personally regardless of whether we agree on everything or not<< That is how it is. These feelings are just there and not "deserved" If they are there ... hahaha Nobody knows how they come to be there.

I hope life treats you kind.
And I hope you have all you’ve dreamed of,
And I’m wishing you joy and happiness.
But above all this, I wish you love.

@ 808
Who do you wish well?
Plural?
Individual?
Personal:note:
Living life there were all sorts of events, some agreeable some not.
How they are related to happiness and love, i never came to know, as, these events were / are changing and not lasting … like the weather so to say.
What would an traveler through life dream of??

Here are 3 quotes I carry with me.
1: “The one you are looking for, is the one who is looking.” Saint Frances of Assisi
2: “ Why is the ocean greater than all the lakes, streams, and rivers? Because it lies lower than them.” Lao-Tzu
3: “Love one another. For without love, there is no lasting peace.“ Sant Kirpal Singh

My apologies. I forgot a quote from Meher Baba.
“Don’t worry be happy”
🙏

Whatever experiences there have been made by people, I met both Darshan Singh and Rajinder in the 80ies. I spent a couple of weeks in Delhi visiting Darshan daily and meditating in the adjacent meditating room, receiving his evening darshan and even having breakfast with him and his family in his house at times. Whatever one may say about Sant Mat and later occurrences, I personally can say wholeheartedly, beyond doubt, Darshan Singh was a Saint. Through and through. There was no other notion than this at any time I met him. A humble, gentle otherworldly being. I have persued his instructions as good as I was able to for almost 40 years now. He told me not to share inner experiences, so I do not. But I can assure, it has been worth to follow the instruction. There is truth.

Anyone who does not find it strange that a family clan is perpetuated in an ashran is either a fool or too indoctrinated to realize in the first place, neither Kirpal nor Rajinder were true teachers, anyone who meditates can have access to certain abilities, these can be telepathy, precongnition, all the sadus who are begging on the streets of India have these faculties, but for the Western fool who does not understand them it will seem miraculous and a sign of holiness that their “guru possesses them” I think many already know the Rajinder singh’s successor is his own SON, I recently heard a person mention after my comment that Rajinder singh would not succeed his son but many already know in SOS that HIS SON will succeed him, this is a complete aberration of the teachings that have never been There was a family clan that was perpetuated in an ashran with the exception of Kirpal Singh’s group, THE PEOPLE ARE TOO INDOCTRINATED TO REALIZE THAT THEY ARE NOT A MASTER AND THAT THE ONLY POWER THEY EXPERIENCED WAS THE CAUSE OF THEMSELVES AND NOT THE MASTER

It is quite possible that Kirpal Singh was serious about his comment: “I would not wish this job on anyone.”
“As you make your bed, you must lie on it”, would have been the right answer. Had he not claimed to be the only true successor of Sawan Singh?
I never met Kirpal Singh but I met his son, who also received initiation from the Great Master. To me, Darshan was a real Sa(i)nt. He was the embodiment of loving kindness. He opened my heart. It was not until his dead that I realized how much I owed him. Forget light and sound, just hear his voice and read his poems!
I also met Rajinder Singh (whom I did not accept as successor) and Thakar Singh. I met Gurinder Singh and several Sufi Sheikhs. Among the Muslim masters Sheikh Nazim made the biggest impact on me. And if I add how he made me to pray daily, people will take me for completely crazy. I know that some masters have so-called supernatural powers, but normally they try to veil such powers. Humbleness is perhaps the main indicator for Holiness. What is Holiness? It is the total absence of (the commanding) ego. A full glass cannot be filled.

Dear Woodstock,
Many thanks for your heart-moving life story! May the couple be blessed, who saved your precious life.
I know what to think of “gurus” like Muktananda, Sri Chinmoy or Sathya Sai Baba – not to be confused with Sai Baba of Shirdi! – but Meher Baba remains a riddle. His statement “I am God” is not exactly humble. I think he was a special mast himself.
As said before, I appreciate deeply humble Saints like Bawa Muhaiyaddeen, Muhammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo, Sai Baba of Shiridi or Ramana Maharshi.
I am not so enthusiastic about Soami ji Maharaj and his arrogant teachings. Besides, he never mentioned his Master. He didn’t have a Master – not even an unvisible one? If so, forget his (Sant Mat) teaching about the neccessity for a living perfect Master.
Nevertheless, I had unforgettable experiences with Darshan Singh – direct and indirect.
[Dear Bob,
“I personally can say wholeheartedly, beyond doubt, Darshan Singh was a Saint. Through and through.”
I second that.]
If somebody is interested in said experiences, I can gladly give detailed information.

Roland wrote: “Nevertheless, I had unforgettable experiences with Darshan Singh – direct and indirect.
[Dear Bob,
“I personally can say wholeheartedly, beyond doubt, Darshan Singh was a Saint. Through and through.”
I second that.]
If somebody is interested in said experiences, I can gladly give detailed information.”.
Thanks for sharing your view.
I will say that having read the experiences and concepts of dozens of Radhsasoami satsangis online for more than 20 years, just about the only one whose experiences seemed noteworthy and interesting beyond the egoic (in the true “mystic” sense of retaining person-al individuality, not vanity) and superficial are those of a devoted Darshan Singh initiate who posts over on the RSS old yahoo forum. The only person who I would genuinely love to sit down and have a cup of coffee or chai with and discuss “inner experiences”, and actually expect to learn something new.
That said, I think you’re asking the wrong question here. You say you had unforgettable experiences, both direct and “indirect”, with Darshan Singh, and that you’re willing to share this information.
This is very generous of you, and I for one, like always, am genuinely curious to hear the experiences of new voices. Actually, I have made a lifetime habit of it. Always reaching out to learn more, from where I think something can be learnt. So, please do share.
However, the critical question is, “so what?”!
Having spent 40 odd years deeply researching gurus, mystics and occultists of all stripes, visiting many all over the world and discussing, reading, absorbing many thousands of their devotee’s experiences, alongside my own not insubstantial ones with “gurus” and occultists, I cannot help but wonder what anyone who has achieved *any* kind of trans-personal awareness, experience or insight could possibly ask other than “so what”!
Can we, collectively, please cut the chicanery, the bufoonery, and confront reality head on; these experiences, both “direct and indirect”, prove absolutely NOTHING about the status of a so-called “Satguru”, their authenticity, their “Saintliness”, their meditation system or their metaphysical cosmology.
WE KNOW THIS.
Has there ever been a “Satguru”, ever, in the history of the world, be they an outright criminal charlatan or not, who doesn’t have followers who have all these kinds of experiences?
You say you know what to think of Sai Baba and Muktananda, presumably that they are frauds…..but God damn have you heard the experiences, both direct and indirect, of their disciples? The sheer scale of those experiences makes folks like Darshan & Gurinder Singh look like weekend league amateurs! I know folks who think they’re special enough to find the one true path and satguru in a vast ocean of many thousands of true paths and gurus don’t like to face reality head on, preferring instead to live in narrow reality tunnels……but just have a look, read the stories of those who’ve been in their presence!
If you want to hear some truly spectacular stories about inner and outer experiences and miracles surrounding a light and sound guru who is unambiguously a criminal charlatan and fraud, watch the documentary Holy Hell which was available for free on Amazon a few years back at least:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f2BG43JW0o
The “deep humility” you appreciate in “Saints” is, imo, merely a fondness for appearances that appeal to you. It is just another mask among many, another actor on a stage already overflowing with actors and narratives. The appearance of humility does not prove somebody is humble, and neither does the appearance of arrogance prove somebody is not truly, genuinely humble *when and where it matters*.
Another very well known, long time poster over at the RSS forum shared his experiences with Darshan Singh, as have a few others, and to be generous they paint a far less than “Saintly” picture of the man. I can easily appreciate yours and others positive experiences with him, but best to understand that Satgurus are not objective loci of power and authenticity, or shabd, or whatever. Rather they are simply like lovers. And nobody dares to say my lover is the only true lover in the world……because a mere cursory glance at reality shows there are billions of lovers, everywhere. Much like Saints and Satgurus. And it would be absurd to suggest otherwise.
All it requires is a look outside one’s own reality tunnel.
Blessed Be.

Fake gurus can be easily recognized by “preaching water and drinking wine”.
Sexual abstinence, vegetarism, Ahimsa, humility etc. shouldn’t be demanded but exemplified.
I doubt that Bhagwan/Osho was a Satguru but he was honest to a certain extent:
“I am a guru for the rich.”
“So what?” I must agree: we all are victims of our imaginations and conditionings.
“We ask to be no one and nothing, for as long as we are ‘someone’ we are not complete”
[Shaykh Nazim]
That lovely Shaykh also said that he can do nothing without the help of his Master (Shaykh Abdullah) and he always stood up (with more or less difficulty) from his chair when he mentioned the Prophet.
That’s my understanding of humility.
When I read “A brief life-sketch of Hazur Baba Sawan Singh Ji Maharaj” by Kirpal Singh I could not escape the feeling that “Humble Atom Kirpal” wrote said booklet only in order to demonstrate that he is the sole true successor of his Master.
I’m going to tell you about three different experiences with Darshan Singh a little bit later. Of course, the indirect experience is the strangest thing.

Hi Roland, thanks for your response.
You write: “Fake gurus can be easily recognized by “preaching water and drinking wine”.
Sexual abstinence, vegetarism, Ahimsa, humility etc. shouldn’t be demanded but exemplified.”
This seems like an awfully culturally, linguistically and ethically conditioned & limiting way to judge “fake gurus” to me? Awfully based on personal as opposed to universal preferences? Also, clearly these conditions you place on genuine “Satgurus” are based on what you have read from books from within the traditions these so-called Satgurus operate from – isn’t that merely a subjective preference for those books on your part, and those “Satgurus” reflecting those qualities merely circular logic as they would at the very least imitate those traits they are supposed to embody, ie. put on that particular mask (like the theatre it clearly all is :)?
And why is it “Satgurus” only seem to exist in eastern metaphysical systems all historically & geographically related to each other? Why no “Satgurus” in the rainforest, or amongst inuit Eskimos, for example? No “vegeterians” out there, folks.
Unless of course we accept “Satgurus” to entirely BE a product of culture, language and ethics, as opposed to some kind of objective, universal, perennial reality. Which, to be fair, they clearly are 🙂
Funnily enough, and I do mean this quite literally……I’ve visited with numerous gurus and satgurus, all over the world, famous and not so famous, RS, Sikh, Hindu and western “gurus” amongst them. I’ve spent dozens, probably hundreds of hours at the feet of the largest RS guru in the world, Gurinder, and I’ve been within touching distance of a few others, I’ve been initiated into & meditated on light and sound with western “Satgurus” who’s disciples have inner experiences at faster rates than RSSB, I’ve been hugged by Amma Ji, etc etc etc. And yet, without doubt, hands down, not even in the same league, the most powerful and undeniably efficacious “guru” type figure I’ve ever encountered, with whom I undeniably bathed in the Divine for hours at a time, amongst numerous other undeniable and in your face “paranormal” phenomena, was a non vegeterian shaman in the Peruvian rainforest.
I have never met or even heard of any RS guru who was even in the same league as this non vegeterian, probably wine drinking, shaman, for directly introducing you to the “Divine”, and leading to immediate, positive, life changes in numerous folks with numerous types of issues. He is literally the ONLY human being, “guru” type figure (though he doesn’t act like a guru AT ALL) that I have ever met that left me in literal awe at what he was doing.
The large doses of Ayahuasca probably helped with this though 🙂
Roland wrote: “I’m going to tell you about three different experiences with Darshan Singh a little bit later. Of course, the indirect experience is the strangest thing.”.
I look forward to it.
As an aside & whilst we wait, I recall a Kirpal initiate in private email discussions once tell me of the phenomena which proved to him, beyond a doubt, of the authenticity of his own guru. This same initiate was deeply sceptical and critical of my own past guru, Gurinder Singh, and what if any “power” he had to generate the same kind of phenomena as how own guru, Kirpal (whom, btw, I agree it is quite obvious from his own writings he was a grand Egoist and allowed his astral fantasies to puff up that ego….. more a warning to inner travelers rather than an inspiration, imo).
So I was amused when the first experience he recounted in evidence of this – the face of Kirpal morphing into that of Soami Ji – was almost identical to an experience I had also had and written about on the RSS forum many years previously, where I unmistakably saw the face of Gurinder morph into that of Charan Singh, and that this “vision” lasted for several minutes.
Most revealingly, and imo most interestingly, years later whilst researching paranormal phenomena, psychology and channeling, I became aware that there is a known phenomena amongst mediums and channellers where their face often morphs into that of someone or multiple other faces in full of view of multiple witnesses.
Now, I for one don’t subscribe to the theory these mediums or channellers are actually channelling the spirit of Albert Einstein, Soami Ji, Charan Singh or dear Aunt Edith, but that such phenomena exists is imo beyond question.
I think what the point of all this is, the ego-centric, simplistic, linear, prima facie narratives deduced from these kinds of experiences is probably not strange, bizarre, and beyond human comprehension enough to account for the actual reality of the situation.
Om Namah Shivah
🙂

The truth is, no human being has or ever will be able to embody or contain “God” or “Divinity”.
It is an absurd notion.
The limits of the human mind are evident when we insist “Satgurus” are “vegeterian” imo, a geographical, religious, moral and cultural belief that resides in individual preferences rather than universal truths and realities.
“Satgurus” are human beings, and by definition cannot contain the multitudes that is “God”. They cannot be both the “humble” and “saintly” lacto-vegeterian guru (because RS Satgurus are stuck in the past of 16th century India, they don’t care about the suffering of cows for milk or the leather in their luxury cars and jets in the 21st century West), as well as the wine drinking ecstatic, meat eating, mad guru. Yet both can be – you’d be surprised at which may the practically more efficacious at what they claim to be able to do 🙂
The truth is, the Divine contains meat eaters and wine drinkers as well as vegeterians and tee totallers. It contains madness as well as rationality, ecstasy as well as misery. It contains love as well as the horrors of war and genocide.
The rest is just personal preference heavily conditioned by culture, language and geography.

Dear manjit,
Of course, the terms that I used are associated with the typical (Indian) gurus.
It’s all about sincerity. Disguise comes to light – sooner or later.
It gets tricky when people refuse to accept the most obvious things.
“… a non vegeterian shaman in the Peruvian rainforest.”
Why not?
I’m glad for you that he could give you an unforgettable experience.
So long,
Roland

Hi Roland, you ask “Why not?”.
I would retort that because he is not vegetarian, which kind of contradicts what you implied were one of the criteria for a “Satguru”, as well as kind of the point of my entire comment!
But regardless, so long and thanks for all the fish too,
Manjit

Ps, I personally did not “receive” such an unforgettable experience from this shaman.
What I did do was witness this shaman operate in such an undeniably powerful way which resulted in numerous objective effects upon numerous other participants, almost every single participant actually, that it transcended the power, technology and efficacy of any other human being I have ever encountered, numerous Indian “satgurus” included. Completely different league of putting your “energy” where your mouth is. Ironically, this guy never even used his mouth to tell people things, loading them up with conceptual and theological baggage, rules and vows, preformed notions, high praise in the 3rd person about his own power and path. He was conspicuously absent of all such talk.
He just SHOWED YOU. And the only noise you could hear from the dozens of participants when any kind of concepts or theology was discussed? Laughter and giggles. I mean this literally.
Different league.
I think it important to note the subtle difference.
Cheers.

Haha, there it is again.
Just channel Castaneda, and lie through your teeth, and say, “I’ve had lovely experiences under tutelage of a crazy shaman in Peruvian forests”. And you’ll end up fooling some of the people some of the time.
Lovely shtick, for such as get their rocks off doing this.

Hehe.
You are so out of your depth it really is embarrassing to witness.
Completely oblivious to your cluelessness!
Your desperation and bankruptcy is showing.

Haha, the man has no shame at all. Completely, utterly without the smallest vestige of shame.
Amazing.
I’m a bit embarrassed at having wasted so much time and effort taking his halfwittery seriously. Except, I’d always been skeptical, in the positive sense of the term; but it seemed reasonable to engage with this then.
Ah well.
*shrugs*

There are four kinds of gurus:
1) Imposters who exploit their pupils
2) Deluded persons who believe they are great saints
3) Persons who have been squeezed into the role of a guru
4) Persons who got rid of their illusionary personality
In Fihi Ma Fihi Rumi states that it is better to have a moron as master than none.
I do not believe that any guru can be God.
Yet, I believe that some of them have reached a certain closeness to the Infinite Light.
Holiness is purity – purity of mind and heart. That purity I saw in Darshan Singh.
Surprisingly, he wrote that his father brought him to Anami – not Sawan Singh
who gave six-year-old “Darshi” naam up to the stars.

The late MCS, when he had to face this or that complaint about the lack of concrete experiences often reacted with saying ..turn around and see from where you have come ..or something like that.
After I woke up in the cinema … i started to focus more and more upon myself as the one that came to know about spirituality, asked for initiation, practiced for years and participated in the different activities of the community … in the sense as one of the USA presidents said, do not ask what the country can do but what you can do for the country. So i more or less let go of focusing on the teachings and the teachers but mmore and in the ende solely upon myself as a participant.
Strange enough in doing so I came more and better to understand where spiritual teachings and practices are good for.
So i found that my way of practicing meditation …a word i never use for myself but “sitting”instead .. had changed over time and me with it. Meditation is an excellent tool to get to know about yourself, your conditioning etc etc.
Maybe is focusing on the teachings and the teacher in fact THE way to keep you away from getting to something.
I was not born for the teachings or teachers, ..they find their meaning and value in my personal practice.
Ayahuasca has only meaning if you take it ..mediation has only meaning and value if you do it ..and as Sawaki Roshi or Ushiyama said, first do it ten years, then another 10 ywears and again ten years or in the words of the late MCS … it is a life long struggle.
That struggle has meaning and value whether you ever had an so called experience or not

“You are so out of your depth it really is embarrassing to witness.”
To be clear, I don’t find AR’s desperate & hysterical claim that my plain & straightforward recollection of my experiences with a shaman in the Peruvian rainforest are lies, despite never once in over 20 years of copious posting across 2 RS related forums ever really being accused of lying, let alone actually shown/proven to be lying or even exaggerating about a single one of the many hundreds of life recollections that I have shared openly and without censorship.
That I find to be desperate, spiteful, cowardly, dishonest and objectively delusional etc.
The EMBARESSING part is that he would choose to make such a miserly, baseless & manipulative claim about something that is SO EASILY provable to be untrue; just ask Brian to send me his mobile phone number and I’ll whatsapp across the many pictures and videos I took in the rainforest, of my fellow ceremony participants, my residence, walks in the rainforest and sailing down the Amazon. I’ll top it off with sending the email confirmation of my flights to Iquitos, Peru, from March 2024, the global capital of “Ayahuasca Shamanism” and the closest airport to sailing deep into the Amazon, with my name printed in full on it? It’ll literally take no longer than 60 seconds to provide copious evidence. 🙂
Just too far out of his depth, too desperate, too incoherent, too little substance to his juvenile & immature responses and too much on tilt to take seriously. Obviously.
Anyway, here’s a documentary about the non existent, Don Juan like shaman I conjured up, Hamilton Souther, made 10 years ago. I can assure you he has greatly fine tuned and “improved” his power and control since then, which was in the early days of his being a Maestro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz0XLVUq3WI
There are dozens of EXCELLENT podcasts available on youtube of this excellent but made up shaman. Highly recommended for folks with a real interest in mysticism. Here’s one with the famous youtuber/influencer Aubrey Marcus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cexA69i12Lk
@4.11 “you go from hearing about a lot of things that are outside of the box to then all of a sudden you ARE outside of the box. And then at this point, it’s just, it’s just, REAL…..”.
Some shorts for the attentionally challenged:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OMpZK22MQVA
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TzXeJoH0p-E
Hi Um – you write: “Ayahuasca has only meaning if you take it ..meditation has only meaning and value if you do it ……
That struggle has meaning and value whether you ever had an so called experience or not”.
I think it worth making a few distinctions about “experiences” with the Ayahuasca technology and the Radhasoami Mat technology.
You will note that many satsangis think RS meditation is about visionary experiences, including things like meeting inner radiant forms, past “Saints”, and other light and sound based phenomena. Jim embodies this when he claimed to have had “the exact same” experience as Christopher Bache, who anybody who has read his book could tell you that the title “diamonds from heaven” is merely an arbitrary label he chose for the thoroughly transformational & ineffable ontological experience he had which was the culmination of dozens of other ontologically, ego and being shattering experiences over a long period of time, and not just some visionary experiences of seeing diamonds in front of your eyes like some sort of cartoon character who’s been clubbed over the head by a mouse. Completely different ball games, leagues and arenas.
With Aya, the visionary content is almost entirely IRRELEVANT. Diamonds, clouds or puddles of piss. It makes no difference. There is absolutely no point talking about inner regions, the sights and sounds that are seen, if they are not ONTOLOGICALLY TRANSFORMATIONAL. This is not a sight seeing tour.
I note that even my earlier, far simpler, far more linear and basic arguments were so wildly and bizarrely misunderstood by AR, that the sense of futility in trying to communicate more subtle ideas looms large, especially without writing volumes on the subject. And this is a subtle area.
So rather than trying to explain, I will just provide an example of what I mean with my observations.
In RS they claim to transcend all mundanity of the physical world and leap right to beyond the 3rd eye, past the 5 pesky naughty boys of lust, anger, greed, attachment and ego. Thereby, ALL work on the physical and psychological is by-passed as unneccessary.
And what we are left with is grand egoists and astral fantasists like Kirpal Singh, money hungry masters like Gurinder Singh, and the endless flow of dissatisfied RSSB satsangis who thank Gurinder for being the best master in the world, but can he please help them with their parents/children/spouse/exams/career/health/living arrangements etc.
What use is seeing sparkling diamonds, or listening to flutes, here, if there is no change in the being of the person?
In the ceremonies I participated in, almost every single participant was violently pissing, shitting, puking, crying or in sheer terror for the majority of their experiences. Visionary joy, ecstasy and basking in the glow of the “Divine” was more often than not just a parting gift from the medicine. A lollipop from the doctor to the child, if you will.
Yet they went away – often visibly transforming in front of my eyes – cured of a whole range of personal, physical, mental and spiritual challengers, diseases, complexes etc.
It is not about superficial “experiences” of inner light and sound phenomena which can be replicated, imo identically by smoking 50mg of DMT.
Medicine works with you at your own level, and as any satsang, or even this board will demonstrate, most folks have a whole lot of egotism, vanity, pride, delusion, arrogance, ignorance, bitterness, insecurities etc etc etc to deal with before they can get anywhere near CLOSE to being legitimate inner “warriors” or authentic psychonauts with enough of their own inner power to walk the path others merely talk about.
But to each their own I suppose 😉

What is “desperate” is clearly manjit’s plight, at has his pose, that he has assiduously cultivated over years and years of haunting internet forum, being flung off like this now, and his pathetic empty reality exposed for all with eyes to see.
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Has manjit actually been lying about his Peruvian adventures? For that matter, has been actually lying about his other “experiences”, elsewhere?
Naturally no one else can presume to know that. But here’s the thing. Someone that is demonstrably disingenuous about simple, mundane matters (and I’m willing and able to quote chapter and verse to clearly show these instances of the man’s lack of integrity); someone that is seen to lack integrity when it comes to simple, mundane matters; in short, someone that is plain dishonest: simply CANNOT be trusted, when they make these extraordinary claims.
Maybe he’s just been sitting in his mom’s basement all this time. Maybe he’s gone to Peru, but went through none of these. Maybe he did go to Peru, and did participate in a Ayahuasca ceremony: but even so, the experiences proper, we have nothing but his word that they are what they are. The word of a man who has repeatedly been caught lying through his teeth. (And again, I’m able and willing to clearly quote chapter and verse, even though it’ll take some digging through past comments, to clearly demonstrate such. It’s clearly documented here, for all to see.)
Nah. I reject every extravagant claim made by this dishonest-to-the-bone serial liar.
Claims are easy to make. Which is precisely why the field of religion and spirituality as so full of all manner of liars and charlatans.
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More seriously:
Some thoughts about actual religious “experiences”:
Should someone that we trust implicitly report all of these experiences. Should we ourselves end up experiencing such ourselves. As to a very limited extent I have myself, although I find it distasteful to keep beating my chest over it like this specimen here does. Should the actual having of these experiences be taken as fact in our own case, or in the case of those whom we have reason to trust given their complete integrity and honesty generally: Then what do we do with this?
Here’s what:
(I’ll put that in the next comment, in order to make the comment less unwieldy, and also to leave that serious discussion on spirituality, which to me at any rate is hallowed territory, free of the taint of this shameless charlatan’s incessant lies.)

SOME THOUGHTS ON SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCES, AND WHAT TO MAKE OF THEM
(Genuine experiences. As in not lies. In cases where we’ve been able to rule out simple dishonesty, maybe because we’ve had these experiences ourselves, or maybe because the person making those claims has always shown themselves to be perfectly, scrupulously honest and sincere and possessed of integrity.)
1. The first step would be to consider if these might be such obvious things as simple suggestibility, or maybe hallucinations under the influence of drugs, or some deeper-seated psychosis or atypicality in one’s brain-and-neural-pathways. That’s by far the most likely possibility, when compared to more extravagant interpretations.
And a really serious examination of such would necessarily involve extensive investigation by a team of actual psychiatrists, that are open-minded enough to actually investigate such, but not credible as sometimes even professional doctors and scientists can be. Whose brief will be to clearly rule out simple self-delusion or schizophrenia or some other kind of psychosis.
2. Once we have ‘real’ experiences: That is not the end of the process of understanding, that is not in itself “proof” of anything. That is the STARTING POINT for a long, patient process of finding out what that actually does mean. That experience itself is no more than just a data point.
3. And again, an important point here. The technician collecting the data is no especial position to evaluate and interpret the data they have collected. In religion it is always Moses that determines what the “meaning” of his visions are, and Soamiji Maharaj that declares what his own visions tantamount to. That’s a folly, right there.
4. It is precisely to weed out this kind of subjectivity, that we need the methods of science. All of these data points — including our own, ours are no more special in this regard than anyone else’s, beyond ruling out outright lies — can then be used to properly evaluate and understand what it might mean. Using the sum total of our knowledge so far, of neuroscience, of physics, of cosmology, or everything else, as base.
5. Almost certainly the results of such a wide-ranging study will not be anywhere near as dramatic as the woo-minded might hope. But that’s the only way to get reliable results, as opposed to these wild claims and these instances of outright charlatanry.
Again: There’s NOTHING in these spiritual “claims” that elevate them beyond the reach of the scientific method. To imagine that is to simply not understand what the scientific method actually entails.
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It would have been a pleasure to seriously discuss all of this, in depth, with the person I’d imagined, for the longest time, that our manjit is.
Unfortunately, I was mistaken about him. He’s not what he presents himself as.
Still, I think these thoughts are a useful outcome of this generally not very pleasant run-in.
Particularly the insight that the person having experiences is NOT the person who is best equipped to interpret those experiences, any more than a technician collecting data points is best equipped to interpret such.
The subjectivity and the bias that these experiences come with inevitably, it is the methods of science that are our best answer to unraveling those and arriving at what all of that means.

“just ask Brian to send me his mobile phone number and I’ll whatsapp across the many pictures and videos I took in the rainforest, of my fellow ceremony participants, my residence, walks in the rainforest and sailing down the Amazon. I’ll top it off with sending the email confirmation of my flights to Iquitos, Peru, from March 2024, the global capital of “Ayahuasca Shamanism” and the closest airport to sailing deep into the Amazon, with my name printed in full on it? It’ll literally take no longer than 60 seconds to provide copious evidence.”
“Anyway, here’s a documentary about the non existent, Don Juan like shaman I conjured up, Hamilton Souther, made 10 years ago. ”
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In order to be scrupulously fair, let me also highlight these portions out here now, from manjit’s comment, and say this:
Fair enough, if so. That a man is generally dishonest does not mean that every word of his will necessarily be a lie. If he can produce evidence for what he claims, then certainly we’ll accept that. But only if he produces evidence, and only to the extent that he’s produced evidence.
In this case, given what he says here, I’m inclined to accept that he’s actually been to Peru. It is only fair to clearly mention this, and highlight this now.
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But here’s the important thing: The specific extravagant experiences themselves, that manjit has long tomtommed here: whether stand-alone or DMT-fueled: those specific subjective experiences, that he has no way to back up with other than just his word: that is the part that is being questioned here, given his documented lack of integrity.
Any time manjit is able to back up any specific claims he makes with specific evidence, sure we’ll accept that, same as we would for anyone else, why not.
(And as for what those experiences actually mean, regardless of who has actually had them: well that’s again a different discussion, already touched on in my preceding comment.)

I met Darshan Singh three times in Munich.
When I was initiated (1st encounter), I saw no light and heard no sound.
That’s why he touched my forehad. After the ceiling lighting had been dimmed,
I perceived some light (four times in succession). Other than expected, I saw no central light (bright star etc.).
It seemed to me that the ceiling lighting had been switched on and out. My eyes were closed.
When I asked, if anybody switched the light on, I was told that that was definitely not the case.
Nevertheless, I wished I would have opened my eyes, when I sat on the chair. So what?
The 2nd encounter was much more memorable:
As pure student I had no money for a hotel room. I placed my sleeping bag on the moist high grass within the English Garden. After a while I saw a bright light from above:
the flashlight of the park guard. “You must not sleep here”, he said. He was unexpected kind. He lead me to a nearby “Indian temple”. To me, that overnight accommodation was first class. Coincident or not, my eyes were full of tears; the whole night long. Deep in my heart I knew that
Darshan Sing was very close to me.
I was not at all happy with his lecture next day. I loved his gentle voice but not necessarily the words.
Besides, i was not happy that he nominated his son as successor. “If that’s the case, I’ll leaf that organisation”, I said to the organizers. And I did it somewhat later.
In the evening Sant Darshan was sitting among us. We were hardly more than half a dozen pupils. I don’ t know what he spoke. Out of the blue there was an unprecedented feeling of happiness. After a long, long time I reached my home: that was my impression. There were questions anymore, no complaints, no fears. It was a state which I did never realized before.
To be continued

Edit:
There were NO questions anymore… It was a state which I never experienced before; neither before nor afterwards.

I never spoke about my shortlasting blissful state to anyone.
The indirect experience:
There was a small picture of Darshan Singh which I placed on a shelf near the telephone. In fact, I forgot it in that place. My mother was not very much amused about my Indian Guru. She was Catholic with a slope to Our Lady.
I was not at home, when she got a renal colic. Her glance fell on the picture. She told me that she thaught “Please help me!” Thereupon the eyes or just one eye – she was not sure – turned large. He was looking directly to her. At the very moment all the pain was gone. Not merly that: she perceived a similiar feeling as I described before: ultimate bliss!

The very last time I met my beloved Master at the hotel’s urinal. What a cosy place! Just he and me were there. He greated me, when he came in, and his eyes sparkled like stars. Nevertheless, my decision was made: I couldn’t accept Rajinder Singh as Master.
Cordially,
Roland

@ Manjit
I almost missed your answer as it was within an message to somebody else and I no longer read all and every message.
For many many years I consumed with much pleasure, whatever I read or heard about the happenings on this or that so called spiritual path, be it of a guide or others. It was kind of mesmerizing like watching and getting lost in an movie in the cinema … like the lord of the rings and harry potter types …hahahaha
Many things I do understand now I new before, sometimes from the age of three but in an different way as “truth” has depth = at different moments the same truth makes it self seen in another way, like the sound of a river changing in its course from the source to the sea.
One of them is ts something I came to understand at home and was taught to us without words by our father. His wife, loved to read books and on reading she got lost of the reality around her. By the way reacted, i came to understand that getting lost in something, can be a welcome distraction from everyday life but it can also work as drug, that, consuming it makes, simple every day life, more and more miserable.
The mystery of everyday life is an personal act and iut comes from within. In order to understand one’s own role in it that bond with outward temptations has to be broken.
It is a shift from the outward to the inward, from the OTHERS to the self, …it is a matter of taking resposibility for one’s own life.
Against this background I wrote yesterday:
>> Ayahuasca has only meaning if you take it ..mediation has only meaning and value if you do it ..and as Sawaki Roshi or Ushiyama said, first do it ten years, then another 10 ywears and again ten years or in the words of the late MCS … it is a life long struggle.
That struggle has meaning and value whether you ever had an so called experience or not<< AND .. many other things I write have that same understanding attached to it What matters to me is what I do with that gift of life ..what others do with theirs is up to them. There are different ways in being a teacher, there are different ways in being a student. I am no longer the man of a couple of years ago, That one has died.

@ Roland
You described your experiences.
These experiences can be attributed meaning and value from outside the “sant mat narrative” or from within.
Let us for a moment look at them from within. From within the narrative these experiences are or can be seen as an “gift from the Guru” as not all people have these type of experiences and they did not create them [ at will].
WHY ..than, would Darshan singh, make you this gift?
Within the narratives these gifts are often seen and made seen as encouragements etc etc….to help a disciple to invest more and better.
What has been the effect of having had these experiences? Did it change you in any way?
Please do not feel pressed to answer these questions as they are not “real questions”

@ Roland
Your name suggests you are from the Netherlands. If so, let me know if Darshan sing ever visited The Netherlands.
Reason:
Many years ago, I can’t remember how, I came to know about and Guru from one of the Sant Mat lineages that visited the Netherlands an people were given the opportunity to meet him and have an interview. I did but I can’t remember who it was ..I was not Rajinder

@ Manjit
and … it was naif, childish not to use other subjectives to believe, think etc upon coming to know about these mind blowing experiences of mystics, sjamans etc etc. that it could and should be done by common people like myself.
Doing some extraction of medicinal mushrooms, I tried to read some of the many scientific studies on this or that particular mushroom that are available on the net. In the end I gave up realizing that I am not an mycologist and for that reason unable to attribute proper meaning and value to what they write.
That was just an example of the many things I let go of realizing that only experts on the same left are able to properly attribute meaning an value to academical work
The very idea that I could and should read works of kabir, rumi etc , works all written in an heightened state of consciousness, makes me laugh and force me to go to the kitchen to make myself a cup of coffee.
I still do it now and then for a “strange” reason being …My late dear friend, that had access to his inner world, would stress time and again, that [1] we were all on the same spiritual level, even if some know it to be true and others not and [2] reading these books and certainly these poems do effect the reader even if they do not understand. … it is for his sake, I sill try to do it now and then
My inner world was and is as empty as the dessert and over time I came to accept ….AND ..adapt …..to this simple fact of life …..The grass growing near the roses, although seeing these roses whole life, do not become a rose.

Hi Um. You wrote: “Many things I do understand now I new before, sometimes from the age of three but in an different way as “truth” has depth = at different moments the same truth makes it self seen in another way, like the sound of a river changing in its course from the source to the sea.” & “What matters to me is what I do with that gift of life ..what others do with theirs is up to them. There are different ways in being a teacher, there are different ways in being a student.”.
Insightful post, thanks for sharing.
Let me also take this opportunity to briefly clarify where my “Against this background” is, as it has seldom been understood by those who communicate with me, despite EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY POSTS in 20 plus years has been deeply, deeply engraved into this “background”:
I do not believe there is some sort of “chaurasi lakh” “prison” of reincarnation from which we are trying to escape. I do not believe human life is some sort of tribal zero sum game where you must pick the “right” path, right religion, right denomination, right “guru”, right meditation practice, right mantra or right alignment of astrological stars to achieve some “true” or “ultimate” purpose of life.
I do not think there is some sort of fixed “highest region”, or “ultimate state” of conscious experience, ie. a “Sach Khand” as detached from what is happening RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. I do not think somebody who has ACTUALY & GENUINELY dived deeply, deeply, deeply into the infinite mystery of consciousness and being, and has overwhelming familiarity & access to infinite worlds within worlds and ecstasies within ecstasies within has won some sort of ego-ic, indivualised “game of life”, whilst there poor fellow souls who are stuck in the church, mosque or weekly atheist meeting have lost.
This is, imo & ime, to COMPLETELY misunderstand what the deeper experiences actually are and signify.
The mystic is simply one who is in love with the mystery and they are playing a game without rules and without keeping score. Everything is already “God”, “Oneness” and the “Divine”, perfect as it is, and the infinite variety of experiencers and experiences happening within consciousness are simply manifestations, outpourings or expressions of that ONE, infinite Consciousness. There is nowhere to go, nothing to do, nowhere to escape from, and nowhere to escape to. Separateness is merely an illusion, it is not substantial enough to attain “Sach Khand” or eternal bliss. It is like imagining a shadow can grasp the sun.
Within this mysterious play of consciousness, some are limited by darkness and heaviness, and live entire lives dominated by deep fear, hatred, anger, madness, jealousy, abuse, loneliness, death and murder. Luckily, most live lives with just bearable amounts of these emotions and frequently mixed with feelings of joy, love, excitement, compassion, laughter etc to create enough balance in life as to keep going on.
Within this mysterious play of consciousness we also have the human (not all consciousnesses are human, of course, but that is to make the story too long, this was meant to be brief! 🙂 search for meaning and purpose, of religions, philosophers, scientists, atheists, psychedelic users, cults, gurus and obscure internet blogs and forums with like 6 participants :).
It is just the way it is that to the other extreme end of the spectrum of *human* conscious experience to those who live entire lives under negative or “evil” influence, serial killers and their victims or those who commit or suffer genocide for eg., there is what I personally believe to the “peak” of human conscious experience, the so-called “mystical” experience, which at the extreme end is to be catapulted through infinite realms, realities, universes, samadhis and ecstasies, far, far, far beyond the means of the mono-phasic, everyday “human consciousness'” and language’s ability to describe them.
It is like you say, some people like to climb mount Everest without a guide and without much equipment. Some folks like to climb hills. Some people like to walk on the beach. And some folks like to put their feet up on the sofa, grab a beer and watch grown men kick a misshapen ball around a field for 3 hours.
It goes WITHOUT saying, climbing mount Everest without a guide and equipment is NOT FOR EVERYONE. It is, in fact, hardly for ANYONE and certainly not recommended. There is no right or wrong way to spend your time, there are no winners and losers. It’s just different bubbles of consciousness following their own nature, that is all!
And so it is with mysticism, exploring consciousness and “inner experiences”, at least at the extreme ends. There are no “winners” or “losers”, there is no ultimate end point in the Infinite, there is no “Sach Khand” as the goal of victors whilst infinite “other” souls continue to “suffer in chaurasi lakh reincarnation”. These are all conceptual fantasies of an illusory, individuated ego-mind. The flickering of a feeble ant’s shadow plotting and scheming about how to grab hold of the mighty sun.
All this said, I am personally thankful for, and believe there should always be, some voices and resources speaking up and sharing for the solo Everest climbers, even if it is best they are ignored by the vast majority of folks. One Everest climber always appreciates the tips of another, even if the fellow on the sofa watching a sports match insists there are no mountains anywhere in the world, because if there were the ball would always roll downhill 😉
Radhasoami Ji!

Hey Brian – I think your boy AR is asking you to send me your mobile phone no. by email? He seems to be having a complete break from reality, full on tilt mode. Perhaps you can help him out?
I can 100% guarantee you can trust me with your no. Of course AR has me rightly pegged as an irredeemable liar, but you have my absolute word I would never share your number with anybody, ever and under any circumstances. Or I can email you my tel. no. and you can message me (whatsapp preferably) first?
We can have a lovely chat about my pictures from the Amazon rainforest!
If I haven’t deepfaked them of course. Along with my flight details. And hotel booking. And emails to the shaman’s group discussing my participation.
I’m all in on this lie!
🙂

Roland wrote: “I met Darshan Singh three times in Munich.”
Hi Roland, as we witnessed here in the above thread yesterday, the ego, self-image & it’s cherished narratives are a very fragile thing and when it gets challenged and cornered with it’s lies, it can very quickly spiral into delusion, projection, incoherency and a complete break from consensus reality.
I hope that you are able to take my comments not quite so personally as that and instead in the non-personal, meta-perspective, universal way they are intended? I get the feeling you probably can.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. But to go back to your earlier comments suggesting Sai Baba and Muktananda were not genuine satgurus, or gurus you are impressed with, here’s some context for your 3 stories:
1) Muktananda’s shaktipat:
“The room was thick with an air of serenity and contentment, and suddenly, to my surprise, there was simply nothing to say or think or do. In the fullness of that moment, all needs were met….
….
…He peered into me intently and as he did so his gaze seemed to be burning through all the veils I customarily hid behind…..
……That’s when the miracle began to unfold.
His dark eyes did not falter. They stayed on me, or rather, in me, dark and glittering: and instead of judging me I began to see they were filled with a warmth such as I hadn’t seen since infancy. Yes, he saw me alright, saw right through my defences and my fears and into my secrets, but there was no hint of blame, nor, for that matter, praise. Instead there was delight, acceptance and, above all, respect. What was looking at me was Love, and Love responded. Tumbling helplessly into his visual embrace, I was home. He had shown me the Self.”
https://spiralledlight.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/baba-muktananda-a-personal-experience/
“I first encountered him when I was in graduate school at FSU in 1977. I went to the local Siddha Yoga center in Tallahassee and saw a video tape of him. That night, immediately after seeing that video, the quality and character of my meditation experience changed dramatically. I went home and experienced extraordinary waves of kundalini energy – and shakti – that I had never previously experienced. And I thought, “WOW! If he can transmit that kind of shakti through a video, he must be a pretty amazing teacher!”
A few years later – in 1980 – I met Baba Muktananda at his ashram in South Fallsburg, New York, and went back to visit him on several occasions after that. As soon as I met him, I didn’t want to leave the ashram. I wound up staying for four days, when I had originally thought I was just dropping by. I just went up to the front desk and said, “Can I have a room. I don’t want to leave.” I just wanted to keep floating in his aura. His influence on me was profound, but primarily energetic. He specialized in transmitting shaktipat. He could awaken amazing outpourings of spiritual energy – or kundalini – just through his glance, or his touch, or his Presence. He could intuitively remove blockages in your chakra system. Being with him was like getting your atman (soul) steam-cleaned and revitalized. He was like a transmitting station for all the spiritual energy in the Universe. It was truly mind-boggling. I would have to say that he was the most powerful teacher I have ever met in physical form – and I have met some amazing teachers! Being in Muktananda’s aura was just awesome. The atmosphere at his ashram was palpable. It was like walking into a warm, thick ocean of shakti, and bathing in it for as long as you stayed.”
https://onesoulonelove.com/2012/06/11/meeting-swami-muktananda/
2) I once wrote on the RSS about my 1st experience of visiting Beas sometime around 98-99 I believe. I had just turned up without booking. I had expected to stay in the sadhu ashram which was very basic accommodation, cold water etc for resident Indians. Getting a room in the NRI hostel was near impossible for those who just turned up (during Bhandara time where several hundreds of thousands attend in total). Through a series of events, I was near miraculously not only given a room in the NRI hostel, but was given my own, solitary room which I didn’t share for my entire stay. This is despite me not expecting or requesting one, and the NRI lady in front of me having a huge argument with the administrator about not getting a room in the NRI quarter (she hadn’t booked also). Several folks in the NRI area told me that this was some sort of miraculous blessing from Baba Ji (Gurinder) as he was looking after me as I was sincere and not expecting anything.
Unfortunately, I cannot now locate that post on the RSS forum for the life of me.
But what we me being the inveterate liar that I am, you should of course assume the above is just a lie I told to make an untrue point to satisfy my ego.
I’m actually a 60 year old overweight Korean lady who is a Hare Krishna, and this is just a misinformation campaign!
And I was doing so well until that darn pesky AR kid caught me out!
3) This is an interesting experience your mum had. But is there really any modern Indian guru who has had more of these sort of experiences amongst their followers than Sathya Sai Baba? I have heard several from people in person, and hundreds online:
http://saibaba.ws/miracles.htm
I am inclined to search through and find ones near identical to your story – I know they exist, I have heard them – but there are probably just too many examples to pour through to get a near identical match, and surely…..surely….we just know this to be true?
Don’t get me wrong – neither am I denying you had these experiences, that they were very meaningful and impactful on your life.
My questions are more “meta”:
1) why even bother to mention false, fake, fraudulent, incomplete or gurus you don’t appreciate as much as Darshan Singh, even going as far as to mention them by name, to then only reinforce your opinion by providing examples of experiences that are even more commonplace within their organisations?
Can you see the unresolved conflict or tension in your argument?
and more importantly, 2) What do these phenomena ACTUALLY reveal about “gurus” and their paths, or do they actually reveal more about the universal human condition and potential of the human consciousness?
I have no problems calling Muktananda, Sathya Sai Baba and Gurinder – the source of my 3 responses to your 3 stories – “fake” or “fraudulent” gurus as opposed to “genuine” ones, whatever they may actually be. I’m genuinely sorry to say, especially to many readers of this blog, that I think the case is probably closed on that actually.
I don’t even think “Satgurus” are even a “real” thing outside of their geo-religious-cultural-lingustic-historic context.
I’m fairly certain most if not all these gurus would crumble in the shaman’s context or arena, for example (with possible exceptions for Soamiji, Faqir Chand and a few others, who were probably masters of the endogenous DMT release).
And the fact the experiences of followers are clearly indistinguishable between that of “fake” or “real” “Satgurus” is strongly suggestive of that imo.
But to each their own conceptions.

Oh dear – my response to Roland has been chewed up the Internet Gods!
I will take that as a sign and leave it there.
PHAT!

Hi Um – I think the meaning of your comment overlaps with the meaning of mine. Coming from 2 directions we have arrived at the same place.
And with that I pack up my bag of lies and move on until the next time.
OM SHANTI OM!

@ Manjit
Untill then.
Have a good time

“Hey Brian – I think your boy AR is asking you to send me your mobile phone no. by email?”
You outdo yourself with every post, manjit. When your pose is clearly exposed, then it’s simply one content-free insult after another. Thank you for making perfectly clear the essentially Jim-ish creature lurking behind that carefully preserved polished exterior, and finally removing all doubts about the nature of the man underneath.
And no, there’s no need to send such. No question of imposing on Brian like that. Like I’ve I’ve already freely conceded, and went out of my way to clearly highlight — because unlike you, I’m handicapped by that intellectual integrity thing that you’re a complete stranger to — that, basis what you say, I accept that you’d gone to Peru. Could be you were bluffing about the photos, but I think probably not. Again, as I’ve clearly gone out of my way to highlight. The going to Peru part is, after all, not quite an “extraordinary claim” — as would be the claims of your “experiences” pere se, DMT-fueled or otherwise.
Heh, and yet again, even in this short content-free exchange, you display your trademark lack of integrity now, yet again you clearly demonstrate your essential disingenuousness. Despite clearly being told that the Peru part I’ve accepted, you nevertheless lie brazenly, shamelessly, about my asking you to send you those pics of yours, just so you could take that cheap shot, and get a chance to throw out that insult. Completely utterly shameless. As befits a charlatan and a conman.
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” He seems to be having a complete break from reality, full on tilt mode.”
The one that epitomizes the term “delusion”, says that. The halfwit that believes telepathy is real thinks that. The irony.
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“Of course AR has me rightly pegged as an irredeemable liar”
Demonstrably and demonstratedly so. Time and time again, you have shown yourself completely lacking in integrity. That’s been clearly shown up here, and clearly documented here. Time and time again.
Again, the fact that you lack integrity cannot mean that every word you speak is a lie, obviously. But it does mean that your word is not to be trusted, particularly when it comes to claims of spiritual “experiences” that you befool trusting folks with on all of these internet forums that you keep haunting for years and years in order to puff your empty self up, and for which there is zero support, other than just your word.
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Like I said, manjit, you’re just a Jim, is all.
Don’t want to waste my time with you, if it’s all the same to you. Unlike you I don’t make a thing of haunting whichever internet forum will have you, and …doing this weird thing you do, interminably, for years and decades on end. My time is limited, and I come here, and only here, and for a very specific purpose, which is to know about and to understand spirituality — to clearly, sincerely build up a sane conceptual basis for my practice. You will not understand the sentiment, you will not grok the concept, but my purpose here is serious, and this place is hallowed territory for me. Not a place for this …this thing, that you spend your days and months and years and decades doing, at whatever forum will have you.
Unfortunately, lowlifes like you are part of the territory, when it comes to things spiritual — spirituality does attract charlatans like flies, given how easy it is to make these claims, and given how people are often wont to trust people. Like I did you, for the longest time.
Your halfwittery and your dishonesty have been clearly, completely exposed now — actually done, not just claimed, and clearly documented. Certainly to my complete satisfaction, and I’m sure to the satisfaction of anyone else with eyes to see and with a functioning brain to actually think with. Those that might continue to be befooled by your nonsense despite this clear extended demonstration, well that’s their business, not my lookout. After all, even a Jim has his adherents, occasional fish he’s able to snare in with his oafish bullshytting, and who’ll give him the time of day: so why not you, with your far more polished wares, eh?
Carry on doing your thing all you want, I don’t generally molest people posting their halfwittery here, not unless something particularly leaps up and catches my eye, or unless I’m directly addressed. You can do that too if you like, spend hours and hours puffing yourself up with your cock and bull “spiritual” bullshytte, and beating your chest incessantly over your “experiences”, like you’ve been doing since like forever, in whatever forum you can find gullible folks in.
…Fucking weirdo. To imagine that up until a few months ago, I used to think of you as a sincere decent honest soul, as someone that is a whole different category than a Jim, and actually took your lies at face value (even despite remaining skeptical about the import of them, that always). …In my defense, how on earth could I have known, until the polish finally came off, to reveal this complete lack of integrity underneath?

Dear um,
Perhaps your explanation and your polite question is of some importance for me. What is your opinion on following poem: can it be seen as imperdinence?
A fair (?) translation from German into English:
„I don‘t know
who you are.
Wind above the fields,
rain in May
or the fire of nameless longing.
Perhaps a (long) forgotten smell…
Who knows how love smells?
An old blink of the eye,
a distant sound of bells…
Do I know you from former times?
Behind my memories night is dwelling.
There you hide yourself.
Who are you – who am I?
Sometimes I think
you would know the answer,
but I am deaf.
I see your body,
I hear your voice.
When shall I see and hear YOU?
Sometimes I think
you would know the answer.“
I can‘t say exactly, how it came about to recite that early poem (by me) in the hotel‘s conference room in PERSIAN language.
I had a friend from Persia, who translated above poem from German into Persian. I didn‘t understand that language, but I knew that Darshan Singh was familiar with it.
I’m afraid I was a rude jerk! At least, I should have checked the words! Of course, it would nowadays be much easier…
„Ke patrowe nurist“ – I think that was the first line.
Perhaps, what happened to me, respectively, to my mother was Darshan‘s answer.
His poems are much simpler and hence more beautiful.
For example:
„Every grain of sand in the desert
is a mirror;
Amidst your infinite reflections,
your mad lovers are lost“
or
„O men of lust, beware of entering
this land of love,
Here you will find only
the cross and the gallows.“
„Countless are the oases which have blossomed from the blisters of my feet,
They are reminders to the desert of the delicate beauty of the madness of love.“
As I said before, that „mad lover“ may have got lost in the Beloved. He opened my heart: never before my eyes became wet (with tears), when I „remembered“ HIM. Call it God, Allah or Waheguru; it makes no difference.
BTW, what is your suggestion concerning „from outside the “sant mat narrative”“?
Coincidence?
I‘m sorry, I don‘t know whether any Sant Mat Master was in the Netherlands or not.
Cordially,
Roland

@ Roland
First of al thank you for the answer in the last sentence.
I don’t know what to answer Ronald as what you write does ring so many different bells at the same time
Why should I have an opinion on how a person behaves in front of an other human being that he attributes the highest meaning and value too and label it as “impertinence”?
Being several times in the Beas ashram I had to witness several times that people asked for, were given and invited to perform before their Guru as kind of “celebration” of Christian events like Christmas and new year.
Honesty demands to write that I disliked it very very much. Whether it was due to “them” performing or to myself, their performance touch onto an personal metal hang up, i do not know. In general I keep the blame for these feelings onto myself. …but again …there could be something terrible “wrong” with these show off’s
Honesty demands also that I participate in one of little plays that were performed before the audience on one of these Christmas celebrations. A lady from Germany, I believe she had something to do with the Movie-industry, asked me to perform as an actor in a little play she had written. I refused, as just the idea made me sick. As I liked the lady and the enthusiasm of those around her was that strong that I finaly insisted, just for their pleasure, to read out loud the script. They realy laughed their hearts out especially because I could not figure out what was so funny in the script and me reading it. That was even more oil on the fire and finally I insisted in playing the role she had in mind.
So far so good, I performed what was asked from me, to the pleasure of the audience, but i was so frustrated and embarrassed that I went on and of the stage with my head between my shoulders, not having the guts of even for a single moment to look upon the late MCS that was sitting on the first row.
Later on friends told me …Um if you had only looked for an single moment you could have seen MCS biting his hand from laughter and sheer joy.
That all said i am not an Bullah shah .. out of myself I would never even think about these things. … and I do not know what forces make people do these things, there ego, their love or whatever …fortunately I am not in a possession to answer these things finaly …so just see it as a personal opinion

@ Roland
Just for fun I love to label myself before family and friends as an “Cultural, art barbarian”
I had never any drive to go to any “temple” of art, museum, art gallery, concert hall or whatever. Whenever I went I was invited to keep somebody company ..maybe the performance of Indian classic musicians was an exemption to that rule and listening to qawwali performers made me sometime weep and even create and light stuppor.
Writing this makes me think of good old days … hhahaha …that man, by now has died
Moving around with my dear late friend Iin Satsangi circles I came to visit many artists and had no problem to laugh at them in their own studios …again with the exception of one Belgian painter ..any word to honor the man from me would be as tar clot on a white canvas …you see I always was aware of the humans, and how they hid themselves behind their art ..or tried too …hahahaha
So Roland, art in general, an in particular poetry is not my thing, I just do not understand it and it irritates me when I cannot grasp its meaning.
When my late dear friends stepped through the door of perception, like many others before him was FORCED to express himself by means of poems, songs etc .. To him every word had deep meaning and value but to me the opposite.
These ar the words of an artist without art …hahaha who loves to drink coffee

@um
I thank you too.
@manjit
I really don’t know what‘s going on here – I mean between you and AR?
Sorry, I didn‘t know your proximity to Muktanananda. I have no doubt, that he had power. I appreciate his guru who had also the power to control his sexuality.
There is a fascinating report on transmisson of energy by a Tantra Master to his pupil in Lilian Silburn‘s book about Kundalini. L. was also a disciple of Irena Tweedie‘s fascinating Sufi master „Bhai Sahib“.
There is also a connection to „Sahaj Marg“.

„Evolution of Sahaj Marg from Vedic and Yogic Practices“:
That‘s a lie! Lalaji‘s Master was a relatively unknown Naqshbandi Sufi.

“I really don’t know what‘s going on here – I mean between you and AR?”
Apologies, Roland, for that nonsense. I stand by everything I said, and more; but I really shouldn’t have intruded on what was, after all, a conversation freely engaged in between him and you, to say it!
Don’t mind me, carry on.

Don’t worry about it.
Sometimes, we have to live up to its name and express our gratidude. 🙂

hooooooly mother of jesus!!!! what a read that was!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
let me think how i ended up here… oh ok, started watching today the documentary children of the cult, and i thought wait a minute, let me use AI to see if there are any negative things about master rajinder, and the only thing i got was this here and the 1 i already knew from many years back with the disciple who was expecting master to do miracles and change the karma of his father and give him some extra time….
a joke compared to what i was seeing in this documentary…
the only reason i am commenting is coz some here have expressed general interest in the spiritual path and showed qualities of a genuine seeker of the truth, so i thought i could give some useful info which could benefit them by seeing things from a different perspective which could motivate them to invest some time into their spiritual journey back home…
i see that there is a general misunderstand about what a true or perfect master is, his role, his true essence, and how a disciple can make the best use of this help…
for now i just wanna say those few introductory words to see if this works, and then write tomorrow in more detail as it’s pretty late here, or early — 4:00 🤣🤣🤣
just 2 more things for now… the other day i was reading some PDFs from hazur, and 1 thing that stuck with me and fits to this discussion was when someone asked him who gets initiated, and up until then i just knew that it’s the result of good past karma, and that based on it everything is set, when and where someone gets initiated by the living godman of your time, but then hazur added that the connection to naam is only given to souls where there is a chance for them to make use of it and progress on their way back home, and since many here have already gotten initiation, even though making the decision to distance themselves from master and the path, it still shows that those are people who have the qualities of a true seeker in them, so there is always the chance for them to make the best use of the time they have left…
and finally, this is think is very important >>>>
“All the great teachers of humanity, at all
times and in all climes — the Vedic Rishis,
Zoroaster, Mahavira, Buddha, Christ, Mohammed, Nanak, Kabir, Baba Farid, Hazrat Bahu,
hamas Tabrez, Maulana Rumi, Tulsi ahib,
wamiji and many others — gave to the world
but one sadhna or spiritual discipline. As God
is one, the God-way too cannot but be one. The
true religion or the way back to God is of God’s
own making and hence it is the most ancient as
well as the most natural way, with no artifice
or artificiality about it. In its practical working,
the system needs the guidance of an adept or a
teacher well versed in the theory and practice
of Para Vidya, the cience of the Beyond, as it is
called, for it lies beyond the grasp of the mind
and of the sense-faculties. ”
to be continued tomorrow… 🙏

@Um,
Just before GSD visited The Netherlands for the first time in 1992 Rajinder Singh came to Hotel/Restaurant v.d. Valk in Eindhoven to give darshan and to answer questions.
Um, you wrote -it was not Rajinder- so I have some doubts that my memory is still ok 🙂
Perhaps someone could verify if it was him or Darshan Singh.
I went to see him but left that place because of the terrible music that hurted my ears..

@ La madrugada
I have never been in that Restaurant nor did I ever see him

@ La madrugada
I have mentioned in the past that I had once an interview with an guru of the Kirpal singh lineage in Utrecht. I can’t remember the date nor his name but it was certainly NOT Rajinder singh, given the available pictures on the internet.

ok, so here we go…
let’s see if we can get something useful out of this to benefit those who feel disappointed or even “scammed”, lied to etc
1st of all let’s define what a perfect master is…
a perfect master is someone who went all the way to the end, became 1 with the source, has lost his individuality/ego, and therefor is in essence god himself…
that sounds big, doesn’t it! and i can see already people waving their hands…
let’s try to unravel this… what or who is god?
as someone pointed out we are all god, or parts of god… it is said that god was alone and wanted to become many, so he separated parts of himself and sent them down to inhabit all the worlds til down to the physical we live in right now… so in essence the whole thing is god playing with himself from billions or trillions or more vantage points as souls in all the bodies, from human to animals to any other body which is inhabited by a soul, or awareness, which is expressed here by a poem of the great rumi :
I died as a mineral and became a plant,
I died as a plant and rose to animal,
I died as an animal and I was Man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?
Yet once more I shall die as Man, to soar
With angels blessed; but even from angelhood
I must pass on: all except God doth perish.
When I have sacrificed my angel-soul,
I shall become what no mind ever conceived.
Oh, let me not exist! for Non-existence proclaims in organ tones
To Him we shall return.
the drop merges back into the ocean…
didn’t jesus say me and my father are one? others said i am that?
this happens when a seeker reaches beyond the mind, has thrown away all the bodies, can see themselves as soul or light, see the father as the same, and express this in their own words…
I am neither Christian, nor Jew, nor Magian, nor Muslim.
I am not of the East, nor of the West, nor of the land, nor of the sea;
I am not of Nature’s quarry, nor of the heaven circling above.
I am not made of earth, nor of water, nor of wind, nor fire;
nor of the Divine Throne, nor the carpet, nor the cosmos, nor mineral.
I am not from India, nor China, nor Bulgaria, nor Turkestan;
I am not from the kingdom of the two Iraqs, nor from the earth of Khurasan.
Neither of this world, nor the next, I am, nor of Heaven, nor of Hell;
Nor from Adam, nor from Eve, nor from Eden nor Rizwan.
My place is the Placeless, my trace is the Traceless;
‘Tis neither body nor soul, for I myself am the Beloved.
I have cast aside duality, I have seen the two worlds as one;
One I seek, One I know, One I see, One I say.
He is the First, He is the Last, He is the Outward, He is the Inward;
I know no one other than He, none but he who is He
Drunk with Love’s cup, the two worlds have been lost to me;
I have no business save carouse and revelry.
If once in my life I spent a moment without you,
From that time and from that hour I repent of my life.
If once in this retreat I win a moment with you,
I will trample on both worlds, and dance in ecstasy
O Shams of Tabriz, I am so drunk in this world,
That except for drunkenness and revelry, I have no tale to tell.
ok, so if god is everything there is, if we all are already a part of god, countless drops of awareness of the total ocean known as god, then there is nothing to do, right?
wrong 🤣🤣🤣
and here is why… we may have the same value as to the core essence, there is no difference between a perfect master, a guru, a fake master, a liar, a thief, an animal, an insect, a mineral, coz in all of them the life giving force is the part of god, same essence, same worth, but the difference lies in the amount of REALIZATION of this potential! we may all have the same core and the same value, but we don’t have the same ACCESS to it, just like if we all are super rich, billionaires, but we have forgotten that we have this account on the bank, and live in poverty when in reality we are kings…
so the role of a perfect master is to IGNITE that power of god in us, so we can step by step detach from the body, rise above it, leave behind 1 body after the other til we reach beyond the mind, experience our true essence, see it’s the same as god, unite with him, become one, return home…
now how we do that in a practical manner day by day? that’s why i posted this yesterday >>>
“All the great teachers of humanity, at all
times and in all climes — the Vedic Rishis,
Zoroaster, Mahavira, Buddha, Christ, Mohammed, Nanak, Kabir, Baba Farid, Hazrat Bahu,
Shamas Tabrez, Maulana Rumi, Tulsi Sahib,
Swamiji and many others — gave to the world
but one sadhna or spiritual discipline. As God
is one, the God-way too cannot but be one. The
true religion or the way back to God is of God’s
own making and hence it is the most ancient as
well as the most natural way, with no artifice
or artificiality about it. In its practical working,
the system needs the guidance of an adept or a
teacher well versed in the theory and practice
of Para Vidya, the Science of the Beyond, as it is
called, for it lies beyond the grasp of the mind
and of the sense-faculties. ”
there is one way all of them used, and that is to collect at the 10th door or 3rd eye or single eye as jesus said behind and between the eye brows by concentrating there and stilling the body and mind, connect to the word or naam or shabd or light and sound, and travel on it back home, as jesus describes here >>>
from the fourth book of the gospel of peace, the essaíōn: (Jesus) I tell you really, your body wasn’t just made to breathe, eat and think, but it’s also to enter the holy stream of life. And your ears weren’t made just to listen to people’s words, the song of birds, the music of rain falling, but they are also to listen to the sacred stream of sound. And your eyes were not made only to see the sunrise and sunset, waves of the elements and the reasons of the holy cylinders, but were also made to see the sacred stream of light. One day your body will return to mother earth ∙ even your ears and eyes. But the sacred stream of life, the sacred stream of sound and the sacred stream of light, these were never born and can never die. Enter the holy currents, in life, the sound and light which gave birth to you ∙ to reach the kingdom of the heavenly father and become one with him, like the river flows into the distant sea. More than that can’t be said, because the holy currents will carry you to this place where there are no more words and even the holy cylinders with the scriptures cannot record the mysteries that exist there.”
some other mentions >>>
“In the realm of mysticism, receptivity is our ability to receive the waves of divine Light and Sound flowing from the source, God Himself.”
“The knower of the mystery of sound knows the mystery of the whole universe.” — Hazrat Inayat Alex Khan
“A tuning oneself to the Sound-Current is the only way to calm the mind and practice concentration” sks
“It is by constant and patient practice that we learn to bind our attention to the Holy Naam within; and once it learns to ride the Sound Current, it is carried in no time to higher spiritual regions.” – SKS
” When our simran is complete,and we have totally withdrawn,we will not only c Light,but the Sound Current will come from above 2 lift us up ”
and THAT, my friends, is the REAL essence of a perfect master, he IS shabd! it’s not the human form, which is nothing but a container for that power, and master rajinder said it himself, what we call master is not the human body, it’s the power of god which pulls us towards him and on which we travel back home… the body is just the human pole so we can also have communication on that level, but what does the job is the power of god in him, as it was said about jesus the word made flesh, drink me, eat me said master kirpal.. how can we drink and eat him?!? in the form of light and sound, just as jesus said water and bread of life… and that’s why they say master is everything, not his body, but shabd, coz that’s the way back home, the word was in the beginning, the word was with god, the word WAS god! it created everything there is, and is also the way back home, and that’s why when Guru Nanak was asked: Who is your Guru (Master)? He replied: Shabd (Naam, the light and sound principle) is my Guru !!!
the body is just like a light bulb, it is not the power, the power is the electricity running through that light bulb, this is what does the work…
and the job of a perfect master is to give us a connection to that power which is also latent within us, give us a boost, and then also protect us in this and the other worlds, but it’s still us who will need to make the journey, nobody can do it for us… the master just gives the connection just like the internet provider gives you access to the signal, but then you are the one who needs to upload, as hazur says here >>>
“It is the business and duty of every disciple to make his mind motionless and reach the eye center. The duty of the Master is to help and guide on the Path. To control the mind and senses and open the tenth door depends on the disciple’s efforts. If there is any difficult work in the world it is the fight with the mind. Because the soul is positive and the mind is negative, therefore the teachings and Satsangs of the Master are to encourage the soul and make it stand against the mind, fight it, and win the battle. When the mind has gone in, it tastes sweetness such as it has never before tasted in worldly objects. Then it becomes obedient, and faithful. So long as it has not tasted that sweetness, there is no greater enemy.
“The primary factor in this success is the effort of the disciple. Sometimes it so happens that the mind loses faith even in the Master and puts forth strange arguments in support of its case. This is the result of past bad karma. Even rishis and yogis have been deceived by this cunning mind.
so since the connection has been made, it’s now up to us to put in the needed time on a daily basis… you don’t like the current master (the physical form) ? no problem, don’t go to him, don’t watch his videos, just sit and meditate, just sit in the eye center and let everything happen by itself as hazur says here >>>
The reservoir may be filled
if the inlet pipe is large and the outlet pipe is small.
But it cannot remain filled if the outlet is wide open or
even leaking. And the sooner the outlet is stopped,
the faster the reservoir will be filled.
Now, take Pinda or the physical body as the
reservoir. So long as the attention is at the eye focus,
it is filling, but when the attention is running below
the eye focus, it is leaking. And the lower the attention below the focus, the faster it is leaking. The
sensual center is located very low; therefore, playing
of the attention on this center causes an enormous
leakage, and there is a considerable amount of dissipation of energy.
or master rajinder here >>> https://youtu.be/pwJkqVhq2VA?si=Aec-CvoVu7Urqghn&t=278
we dont have to do anything, just find the time to sit! and that is 100% on us!! nobody is taking our attention and pulling it into the world outside, it is OUR DESIRES!!! we WANT things from this world, so much that we are on the outside all the time, and the ONLY thing we have to do is to reverse that, put the attention inside at the eye center, and let things happen automatically, that’s all we have to do, and that has nothing to do with master rajinder or gurinder or machmud lamachmud talib maud coco jumbo!! its us and ONLY US! WE have to make the decision to know ourselves on the deepest level and experience ourselves as souls, and the 1st step is to take the attention from the outside and place it within, just looking into the darkness in front, relaxed, and if we are initiated by a perfect master then we get an extra boost with the charged words which help us still the mind faster and give us also some joy and peace coz of the charging, but we can progress also without as hazur confirms here >>>
“An imperfect Master would not be able to lead the initiate to the highest goal. Please remember we are talking of the highest ultimate goal, and for that the Perfect Master is absolutely necessary. One may make progress, as it is ordinarily understood, even without such Initiation and, if ardent enough, may reach the region of the stars, the sun and the moon, but he will not be able to go beyond that” .
and i have tested it many times coz i have a scientific mind, i want proof, not blind belief, and although i got so many proofs in those 25 years i am on the path, i saw many times inner lights, i can hear the sound 24/7 even with open eyes and without closing my ears, like now while writing, i have traveled on the sound into another world through the tunnel and the lights just as described in NDEs, i have experienced joy and xtasy which in this world is only possible with drugs, and STILL there were doubts, coz that’s the job of the mind, to keep our attention on the outside and stop us from going within through any means possible! so i bought the muse EEG headband to measure my brainwaves and see if there is actual scientific data which supports the subjective inner experience, and there is… i have meditated more than 2.5 hrs every day since i got the muse in 2018 , more than 7000 hrs, and it’s clearly visible when the mind calms down and you go within deeper and deeper, and i have posted every single graph in my FB group all those years…
i have also have recorded sessions of someone who is pretty advanced, and the graphs were just as predicted by master, since he has talked quite a few times about brainwaves, that by meditating we calm the mind more and more til we reach 4Hz , and this is what the graphs of this disciple showed, which goes also along with findings about DMT, which was mentioned here, which does exactly the same thing as they showed in studies at the imperial college of london where people who had peak experiences and OOBEs during their DMT trip would have dominant delta/theta which is around 4Hz, and it actually proves the teachings coz they found the same thing, that DMT stopped the mind, or what they call DMN – default mode network = the monkey mind, just that this is a chemical doing it out of our control, and in meditation we do it ourselves, controlling it, and we can do it as long as we want without any side effects but only benefits in all areas, also physical and psychological as research has shown…
i wanna leave the following here in the end, as a reminder for why we are here in this world >>>
The Purpose of Life
The greatest purpose of human life is that one should know one’s Self
and know God, and all the rest is mere dissipation. (Kirpal Singh)
There are other worlds inside of man, not made up of this coarse material but of
stuff which can be called non-material. These worlds cannot be seen as long as
the mind is shaking. We are connected with this outer material world through
our organs of sense. Through eyes we see, through ears we hear, and so on.
Suppose our mind does not run outward through these organs of senses. Then
our body is a mere object like other objects, and we, for the time being, are
entirely cut off from this world – in other words, as good as dead. When we let
the mind go down through the organs of sense, we again become alive as far as
the world is concerned. If we go a step further – that is, direct the mind
inwardly, after disconnecting it from the organs of sense – the inner worlds will
become visible. When this practice of disconnecting from the external organs
of sense and connecting with the inner worlds becomes a habit, then man can
function at will either in this material world or in the inner, non-material world.
So long as the mind has not developed the capacity to throw away, at will, the
impressions of this world, it cannot sit inside, disconnected from this world, nor
can it have access to the inner world. But it has the capacity to do so and it has
to be trained. It is a slow affair, requires patience, perseverance, and faith.
Ever since creation started, the mind…has not gone within, nor has it found
peace and rest. The task, therefore, is difficult, but it can be successfully
completed, and this is the object of our life. If man is the highest achievement
of creation, his responsibility is great also. Man is born so that he may merge
his soul in its source and not be born a second time (in this world). The greatest
service one can render is to merge his soul, by freeing it from the attachment of
mind and matter, in that ocean of peace and bliss of which it is a particle or drop.
(Letter 150)
If, during lifetime, entry has been made into the eye center and the sound current
(bell sound) has been grasped, life has been usefully spent. If this has not been
done, even though all else has been done – and most successfully – then life has
been wasted. This done, all is done; this not done, all else done is as if nothing
is done. Such is the finding of Sant Mat and it is a fact. It is not an arbitrary
mandate. (Letter 104)
This life is for the purpose of ending our coming back into this world. (205)
and this effort is in our own hands, master or no master, WE are the ones who need to make that decision and put in the daily time to collect at the eye center and start the journey within, so i hope this will help some of you focus on what is REALLY important here, and decide to invest the needed time to finish the journey back home, if the desire is there 🙏

ok ,so i tried to post, said posted, but i don’t see anything, maybe coz it was too long?
so i will try to post 2 parts…
ok, so here we go…
let’s see if we can get something useful out of this to benefit those who feel disappointed or even “scammed”, lied to etc
1st of all let’s define what a perfect master is…
a perfect master is someone who went all the way to the end, became 1 with the source, has lost his individuality/ego, and therefor is in essence god himself…
that sounds big, doesn’t it! and i can see already people waving their hands…
let’s try to unravel this… what or who is god?
as someone pointed out we are all god, or parts of god… it is said that god was alone and wanted to become many, so he separated parts of himself and sent them down to inhabit all the worlds til down to the physical we live in right now… so in essence the whole thing is god playing with himself from billions or trillions or more vantage points as souls in all the bodies, from human to animals to any other body which is inhabited by a soul, or awareness, which is expressed here by a poem of the great rumi :
I died as a mineral and became a plant,
I died as a plant and rose to animal,
I died as an animal and I was Man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?
Yet once more I shall die as Man, to soar
With angels blessed; but even from angelhood
I must pass on: all except God doth perish.
When I have sacrificed my angel-soul,
I shall become what no mind ever conceived.
Oh, let me not exist! for Non-existence proclaims in organ tones
To Him we shall return.
the drop merges back into the ocean…
didn’t jesus say me and my father are one? others said i am that?
this happens when a seeker reaches beyond the mind, has thrown away all the bodies, can see themselves as soul or light, see the father as the same, and express this in their own words…
I am neither Christian, nor Jew, nor Magian, nor Muslim.
I am not of the East, nor of the West, nor of the land, nor of the sea;
I am not of Nature’s quarry, nor of the heaven circling above.
I am not made of earth, nor of water, nor of wind, nor fire;
nor of the Divine Throne, nor the carpet, nor the cosmos, nor mineral.
I am not from India, nor China, nor Bulgaria, nor Turkestan;
I am not from the kingdom of the two Iraqs, nor from the earth of Khurasan.
Neither of this world, nor the next, I am, nor of Heaven, nor of Hell;
Nor from Adam, nor from Eve, nor from Eden nor Rizwan.
My place is the Placeless, my trace is the Traceless;
‘Tis neither body nor soul, for I myself am the Beloved.
I have cast aside duality, I have seen the two worlds as one;
One I seek, One I know, One I see, One I say.
He is the First, He is the Last, He is the Outward, He is the Inward;
I know no one other than He, none but he who is He
Drunk with Love’s cup, the two worlds have been lost to me;
I have no business save carouse and revelry.
If once in my life I spent a moment without you,
From that time and from that hour I repent of my life.
If once in this retreat I win a moment with you,
I will trample on both worlds, and dance in ecstasy
O Shams of Tabriz, I am so drunk in this world,
That except for drunkenness and revelry, I have no tale to tell.
ok, so if god is everything there is, if we all are already a part of god, countless drops of awareness of the total ocean known as god, then there is nothing to do, right?
wrong 🤣🤣🤣
and here is why… we may have the same value as to the core essence, there is no difference between a perfect master, a guru, a fake master, a liar, a thief, an animal, an insect, a mineral, coz in all of them the life giving force is the part of god, same essence, same worth, but the difference lies in the amount of REALIZATION of this potential! we may all have the same core and the same value, but we don’t have the same ACCESS to it, just like if we all are super rich, billionaires, but we have forgotten that we have this account on the bank, and live in poverty when in reality we are kings…
so the role of a perfect master is to IGNITE that power of god in us, so we can step by step detach from the body, rise above it, leave behind 1 body after the other til we reach beyond the mind, experience our true essence, see it’s the same as god, unite with him, become one, return home…
now how we do that in a practical manner day by day? that’s why i posted this yesterday >>>
“All the great teachers of humanity, at all
times and in all climes — the Vedic Rishis,
Zoroaster, Mahavira, Buddha, Christ, Mohammed, Nanak, Kabir, Baba Farid, Hazrat Bahu,
Shamas Tabrez, Maulana Rumi, Tulsi Sahib,
Swamiji and many others — gave to the world
but one sadhna or spiritual discipline. As God
is one, the God-way too cannot but be one. The
true religion or the way back to God is of God’s
own making and hence it is the most ancient as
well as the most natural way, with no artifice
or artificiality about it. In its practical working,
the system needs the guidance of an adept or a
teacher well versed in the theory and practice
of Para Vidya, the Science of the Beyond, as it is
called, for it lies beyond the grasp of the mind
and of the sense-faculties. ”
there is one way all of them used, and that is to collect at the 10th door or 3rd eye or single eye as jesus said behind and between the eye brows by concentrating there and stilling the body and mind, connect to the word or naam or shabd or light and sound, and travel on it back home, as jesus describes here >>>
from the fourth book of the gospel of peace, the essaíōn: (Jesus) I tell you really, your body wasn’t just made to breathe, eat and think, but it’s also to enter the holy stream of life. And your ears weren’t made just to listen to people’s words, the song of birds, the music of rain falling, but they are also to listen to the sacred stream of sound. And your eyes were not made only to see the sunrise and sunset, waves of the elements and the reasons of the holy cylinders, but were also made to see the sacred stream of light. One day your body will return to mother earth ∙ even your ears and eyes. But the sacred stream of life, the sacred stream of sound and the sacred stream of light, these were never born and can never die. Enter the holy currents, in life, the sound and light which gave birth to you ∙ to reach the kingdom of the heavenly father and become one with him, like the river flows into the distant sea. More than that can’t be said, because the holy currents will carry you to this place where there are no more words and even the holy cylinders with the scriptures cannot record the mysteries that exist there.”
some other mentions >>>
“In the realm of mysticism, receptivity is our ability to receive the waves of divine Light and Sound flowing from the source, God Himself.”
“The knower of the mystery of sound knows the mystery of the whole universe.” — Hazrat Inayat Alex Khan
“A tuning oneself to the Sound-Current is the only way to calm the mind and practice concentration” sks
“It is by constant and patient practice that we learn to bind our attention to the Holy Naam within; and once it learns to ride the Sound Current, it is carried in no time to higher spiritual regions.” – SKS
” When our simran is complete,and we have totally withdrawn,we will not only c Light,but the Sound Current will come from above 2 lift us up ”
and THAT, my friends, is the REAL essence of a perfect master, he IS shabd! it’s not the human form, which is nothing but a container for that power, and master rajinder said it himself, what we call master is not the human body, it’s the power of god which pulls us towards him and on which we travel back home… the body is just the human pole so we can also have communication on that level, but what does the job is the power of god in him, as it was said about jesus the word made flesh, drink me, eat me said master kirpal.. how can we drink and eat him?!? in the form of light and sound, just as jesus said water and bread of life… and that’s why they say master is everything, not his body, but shabd, coz that’s the way back home, the word was in the beginning, the word was with god, the word WAS god! it created everything there is, and is also the way back home, and that’s why when Guru Nanak was asked: Who is your Guru (Master)? He replied: Shabd (Naam, the light and sound principle) is my Guru !!!

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the body is just like a light bulb, it is not the power, the power is the electricity running through that light bulb, this is what does the work…
and the job of a perfect master is to give us a connection to that power which is also latent within us, give us a boost, and then also protect us in this and the other worlds, but it’s still us who will need to make the journey, nobody can do it for us… the master just gives the connection just like the internet provider gives you access to the signal, but then you are the one who needs to upload, as hazur says here >>>
“It is the business and duty of every disciple to make his mind motionless and reach the eye center. The duty of the Master is to help and guide on the Path. To control the mind and senses and open the tenth door depends on the disciple’s efforts. If there is any difficult work in the world it is the fight with the mind. Because the soul is positive and the mind is negative, therefore the teachings and Satsangs of the Master are to encourage the soul and make it stand against the mind, fight it, and win the battle. When the mind has gone in, it tastes sweetness such as it has never before tasted in worldly objects. Then it becomes obedient, and faithful. So long as it has not tasted that sweetness, there is no greater enemy.
“The primary factor in this success is the effort of the disciple. Sometimes it so happens that the mind loses faith even in the Master and puts forth strange arguments in support of its case. This is the result of past bad karma. Even rishis and yogis have been deceived by this cunning mind.
so since the connection has been made, it’s now up to us to put in the needed time on a daily basis… you don’t like the current master (the physical form) ? no problem, don’t go to him, don’t watch his videos, just sit and meditate, just sit in the eye center and let everything happen by itself as hazur says here >>>
The reservoir may be filled
if the inlet pipe is large and the outlet pipe is small.
But it cannot remain filled if the outlet is wide open or
even leaking. And the sooner the outlet is stopped,
the faster the reservoir will be filled.
Now, take Pinda or the physical body as the
reservoir. So long as the attention is at the eye focus,
it is filling, but when the attention is running below
the eye focus, it is leaking. And the lower the attention below the focus, the faster it is leaking. The
sensual center is located very low; therefore, playing
of the attention on this center causes an enormous
leakage, and there is a considerable amount of dissipation of energy.
or master rajinder here >>> https://youtu.be/pwJkqVhq2VA?si=Aec-CvoVu7Urqghn&t=278
we dont have to do anything, just find the time to sit! and that is 100% on us!! nobody is taking our attention and pulling it into the world outside, it is OUR DESIRES!!! we WANT things from this world, so much that we are on the outside all the time, and the ONLY thing we have to do is to reverse that, put the attention inside at the eye center, and let things happen automatically, that’s all we have to do, and that has nothing to do with master rajinder or gurinder or machmud lamachmud talib maud coco jumbo!! its us and ONLY US! WE have to make the decision to know ourselves on the deepest level and experience ourselves as souls, and the 1st step is to take the attention from the outside and place it within, just looking into the darkness in front, relaxed, and if we are initiated by a perfect master then we get an extra boost with the charged words which help us still the mind faster and give us also some joy and peace coz of the charging, but we can progress also without as hazur confirms here >>>
“An imperfect Master would not be able to lead the initiate to the highest goal. Please remember we are talking of the highest ultimate goal, and for that the Perfect Master is absolutely necessary. One may make progress, as it is ordinarily understood, even without such Initiation and, if ardent enough, may reach the region of the stars, the sun and the moon, but he will not be able to go beyond that” .
and i have tested it many times coz i have a scientific mind, i want proof, not blind belief, and although i got so many proofs in those 25 years i am on the path, i saw many times inner lights, i can hear the sound 24/7 even with open eyes and without closing my ears, like now while writing, i have traveled on the sound into another world through the tunnel and the lights just as described in NDEs, i have experienced joy and xtasy which in this world is only possible with drugs, and STILL there were doubts, coz that’s the job of the mind, to keep our attention on the outside and stop us from going within through any means possible! so i bought the muse EEG headband to measure my brainwaves and see if there is actual scientific data which supports the subjective inner experience, and there is… i have meditated more than 2.5 hrs every day since i got the muse in 2018 , more than 7000 hrs, and it’s clearly visible when the mind calms down and you go within deeper and deeper, and i have posted every single graph in my FB group all those years…
i have also have recorded sessions of someone who is pretty advanced, and the graphs were just as predicted by master, since he has talked quite a few times about brainwaves, that by meditating we calm the mind more and more til we reach 4Hz , and this is what the graphs of this disciple showed, which goes also along with findings about DMT, which was mentioned here, which does exactly the same thing as they showed in studies at the imperial college of london where people who had peak experiences and OOBEs during their DMT trip would have dominant delta/theta which is around 4Hz, and it actually proves the teachings coz they found the same thing, that DMT stopped the mind, or what they call DMN – default mode network = the monkey mind, just that this is a chemical doing it out of our control, and in meditation we do it ourselves, controlling it, and we can do it as long as we want without any side effects but only benefits in all areas, also physical and psychological as research has shown…

the body is just like a light bulb, it is not the power, the power is the electricity running through that light bulb, this is what does the work…
and the job of a perfect master is to give us a connection to that power which is also latent within us, give us a boost, and then also protect us in this and the other worlds, but it’s still us who will need to make the journey, nobody can do it for us… the master just gives the connection just like the internet provider gives you access to the signal, but then you are the one who needs to upload, as hazur says here >>>
“It is the business and duty of every disciple to make his mind motionless and reach the eye center. The duty of the Master is to help and guide on the Path. To control the mind and senses and open the tenth door depends on the disciple’s efforts. If there is any difficult work in the world it is the fight with the mind. Because the soul is positive and the mind is negative, therefore the teachings and Satsangs of the Master are to encourage the soul and make it stand against the mind, fight it, and win the battle. When the mind has gone in, it tastes sweetness such as it has never before tasted in worldly objects. Then it becomes obedient, and faithful. So long as it has not tasted that sweetness, there is no greater enemy.
“The primary factor in this success is the effort of the disciple. Sometimes it so happens that the mind loses faith even in the Master and puts forth strange arguments in support of its case. This is the result of past bad karma. Even rishis and yogis have been deceived by this cunning mind.
so since the connection has been made, it’s now up to us to put in the needed time on a daily basis… you don’t like the current master (the physical form) ? no problem, don’t go to him, don’t watch his videos, just sit and meditate, just sit in the eye center and let everything happen by itself as hazur says here >>>
The reservoir may be filled
if the inlet pipe is large and the outlet pipe is small.
But it cannot remain filled if the outlet is wide open or
even leaking. And the sooner the outlet is stopped,
the faster the reservoir will be filled.
Now, take Pinda or the physical body as the
reservoir. So long as the attention is at the eye focus,
it is filling, but when the attention is running below
the eye focus, it is leaking. And the lower the attention below the focus, the faster it is leaking. The
sensual center is located very low; therefore, playing
of the attention on this center causes an enormous
leakage, and there is a considerable amount of dissipation of energy.
we dont have to do anything, just find time to sit! and that is 100% on us!! nobody is taking our attention and pulling it into the world outside, it is OUR DESIRES!!! we WANT things from this world, so much that we are on the outside all the time, and the ONLY thing we have to do is to reverse that, put the attention inside at the eye center, and let things happen automatically, that’s all we have to do, and that has nothing to do with master rajinder or gurinder or machmud lamachmud talib maud!! its us and ONLY US! WE have to make the decision to know ourselves on the deepest level and experience ourselves as souls, and the 1st step is to take the attention from the outside and place it within, just looking into the darkness in front, relaxed, and if we are initiated by a perfect master then we get an extra boost, but we can progress also without… and i have tested it many times coz i have a scientific mind, i want proof, not blind belief, and although i got so many proof in those 25 years i am on the path, i saw many times inner lights, i can hear the sound 24/7 even with open eyes and without closing my ears, like now while writing, i have traveled on the sounds into another world through the tunnel and the lights just as described in NDEs, i have experienced joy and xtasy which in this world are only possible with drugs, and STILL there were doubts, coz that’s the job of the mind, to keep our attention on the outside and stop us from going within with any means possible! so i bought the muse EEG headband to measure my brainwaves and see if there is actual scientific data which supports the subjective inner experience, and there is… i have meditated more than 2.5 hrs every day since i got the muse in 2018 , more than 7000 hrs, and it’s clearly visible when the mind calms down and you go within deeper and deeper, and i have posted every single graph in my FB group all those years…
and i have also have recorded sessions from someone who is pretty advanced, and the graphs were just as predicted by master, since he has talked quite a few times about brainwaves, that by meditating we calm the mind more and more til we reach 4Hz , and this is what the graphs of this disciple showed, which goes also along with findings about DMT, which was mentioned here, which does exactly the same thing as they showed in studies at the imperial college of london where people who had peak experiences and OOBEs during their DMT trip would have dominant delta/theta which is around 4Hz, and it actually proves the teachings coz they found the same thing, that DMT stopped the mind, or what they call DMN – default mode network = the monkey mind, just that this is a chemical doing it, and in meditation we do it ourselves…
i also wanna leave this here in the end, as a reminder for why we are here in this world >>> The Purpose of Life
The greatest purpose of human life is that one should know one’s Self
and know God, and all the rest is mere dissipation. (Kirpal Singh)
There are other worlds inside of man, not made up of this coarse material but of
stuff which can be called non-material. These worlds cannot be seen as long as
the mind is shaking. We are connected with this outer material world through
our organs of sense. Through eyes we see, through ears we hear, and so on.
Suppose our mind does not run outward through these organs of senses. Then
our body is a mere object like other objects, and we, for the time being, are
entirely cut off from this world – in other words, as good as dead. When we let
the mind go down through the organs of sense, we again become alive as far as
the world is concerned. If we go a step further – that is, direct the mind
inwardly, after disconnecting it from the organs of sense – the inner worlds will
become visible. When this practice of disconnecting from the external organs
of sense and connecting with the inner worlds becomes a habit, then man can
function at will either in this material world or in the inner, non-material world.
So long as the mind has not developed the capacity to throw away, at will, the
impressions of this world, it cannot sit inside, disconnected from this world, nor
can it have access to the inner world. But it has the capacity to do so and it has
to be trained. It is a slow affair, requires patience, perseverance, and faith.
Ever since creation started, the mind…has not gone within, nor has it found
peace and rest. The task, therefore, is difficult, but it can be successfully
completed, and this is the object of our life. If man is the highest achievement
of creation, his responsibility is great also. Man is born so that he may merge
his soul in its source and not be born a second time (in this world). The greatest
service one can render is to merge his soul, by freeing it from the attachment of
mind and matter, in that ocean of peace and bliss of which it is a particle or drop.
(Letter 150)
If, during lifetime, entry has been made into the eye center and the sound current
(bell sound) has been grasped, life has been usefully spent. If this has not been
done, even though all else has been done – and most successfully – then life has
been wasted. This done, all is done; this not done, all else done is as if nothing
is done. Such is the finding of Sant Mat and it is a fact. It is not an arbitrary
mandate. (Letter 104)
This life is for the purpose of ending our coming back into this world. (205)
and this effort is in our own hands, master or no master, WE are the ones who need to make that decision and put in the daily time to collect at the eye center and start the journey within, so i hope this will help some of you focus on what is REALLY important here, and decide to invest the needed time to finish the journey back home, if the desire is there 🙏

I don’t get what is the role of his wife everywhere he goes or gives out a lecture? Plus what is with all the makeup while he himself dawns on the Sikh getup, just very very controversial . Preach something and practice something else, this is the peak of ignorance.