I was busy yesterday so forgot to check Typepad's spam folder for this blog. I just discovered a comment on my "Another strange use of force at a RSSB meeting" post that was in the spam folder.
Wow. This shows for sure that Radha Soami Satsang Beas is an uncaring organization, based on how horribly a man was treated who simply wanted to ask a question of the RSSB guru, Gurinder Singh Dhillon.
Since the guru allows crap like this to happen, it's obvious that the guru is uncaring also. Makes me so glad I left this so-called "spiritual" group. Here's the comment. I've broken it into paragraphs for easier reading.
In regards to the incident on Sunday 16th July at the RSSB centre in Coventry. My faith has been completely shaken. I know the person whom this incident involved and he is devastated, traumatised and at a loss in life. He’s been attending babajis satsangs with full devotion for over 30 years with zero incidents.
On the day of the satsang, he arrived very early to be able to be seated at the front and have an opportunity to ask a question as he really needed his guidance. When advised a token was required, he went to get a token and was told they’d all been taken, so he started crying and then he was lifted out of the satsang centre. He then quietly sat outside upset.
The sevadars then proceeded with force and picked him up and imprisoned him into a shed for the duration of the satsang until babaji left. For someone who suffers with severe claustrophobia he cried and shouted constantly that he couldn’t breathe and they did nothing.
All of this occurring within distance of babaji inside the hall. I am a non satsangi who has been watching babajis videos online so maybe one day I can seek his initiation. I am completely taken back as to how this is allowed to happen to his disciples in RSSB as this path is based around love.
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Here we are again.
Another satsangi involved altercation. Poor Osho and now another guy. Satsangs man, those can be a deadly place. With all those linebackers who regularly visit. Not to mention WOKE people like me, who have to beat up cops any day, any time, and anywhere..
Those satsangis can be tough though. Yes sir, I remember my 1st altercation. I think I was hogging the stage at the time to see if anybody had the guts to do anything about it. And yep, I suffered mental anguish by the short but buffed up attendee who was just about to give a discourse. Almost had to see an Audiologist from all the yelling.
But no, it didn’t end there. This time just before Satsang began I tried showing some brotherly love and Wham! I got the People’s Elbow! Fortunately I was able to pop my shoulder back in and gladly took my seat as this was another satsangi about to start that day’s program. Silly me, for accidentally blocking the big guy’s way to the podium.
But didn’t Great Maharaj Ji Charan Singh say that us disciples or satsangi were all struggling souls on the spiritual path?
No need to expect perfection, when we’re only beginners on this path.
To end here’s a quote in his own words:
“In the life of every person there come moments of trials and tribulations, which should be faced bravely and courageously. Keep the principles of Sant Mat always before your mind and never admit defeat. A satsangi’s life is a life of struggle against the mind..” (Divine Light)
The spiritual leader Gurinder Singh Dhillon has never condoned this type of behaviour, and in fact relies on it to instill fear into the soft hearted sangat in his hierarchical structure. The security sevadar are hand picked by the chief mafia boss gurrinder Singh Dhillon. Gurinder is heartless and rotten at the core and hides behind a manufactured front of a guru that is enlightened. Check out his anger at the farmer, the death threats to Telvir the film producer , and also the death threats at mulvinder , his own nephew. Not forgettimg the suspected death of his wife , murdered to drop court charges. So it’s not surprising that his inner evil circle of friends he has hand picked are ruthless, violent and thugs just like gurinder Dhillon – there are many people who were given death threats whos lives have become totally destroyed. Your days are numbered evil baba of beas, god is certainly not a criminal and land mafia, which only means you are on the side of kaal, satan, Lucifer.
“Gurinder Singh Dhillon has never condoned this type of behaviour, and in fact relies on it to instill fear into the soft hearted sangat..”
Posted by: Kranvir | July 31, 2023 at 02:49 PM
You agree that he’s never condoned the behavior?
Perhaps he’s the only one who has perfected mindfulness. And why he is Present Master
“Perhaps he’s the only one who has perfected mindfulness. And why he is Present Master”
Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | August 01, 2023 at 12:26 AM
How do you know that he has perfected mindfulness?
He is present master coz he is nephew of guru charan singh , if you see any other reason than plz share with us .
@ AA
Your parents are just like any other male and female human being.
Why do you differeciate them from the rest as your parents,
parents you might love or hate??
Fakir Mustafar demonstrates how to see The Great White Spirit in the Light. Imagine being born in to a family of Sun Dancers , of initiated Parents waiting for you to also be initiated by the Sun Dance ceremony to see the Light!
https://youtu.be/kr9t9YtjdAQ
Any guru who allows such violence has lost control.
why are goons allowed to do such things?
It’s easy to bully weak individuals.
I would like to see them handle someone strong who fights back, or who comes
with his own gang of thugs. One day someone is going to beat up the goons and they will go crying to babaji
those who live by the sword shall perish by the sword
“How do you know that he has perfected mindfulness?”
Posted by: AA | August 01, 2023 at 05:34 AM
Your question, it only looks to the surface. To the obvious. Many true Gurus were related. But not all of them.
A simple take on logic should help. Even the writer of this blog you’re on took Hazur Maharaj Ji Charan Singh to be a prolific spiritual adept.
But what does it mean to be truly spiritual, or truly mindful? A quick look at wikipedia has several definitions of what ‘mindful’ is. Take a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness#Definitions
I guess anyone of us could pick and choose which definition we want. Hell Mr. Kranvir may come up with his boldness and see it as having horns. Still then, what it the true context Siddhartha Gautama the 1st Buddha used it? Do we want just ANY definition or do we want His definition?
So in my earlier post here I quoted the spiritual teacher who taught Baba Ji. And right there if I’m logically correct, he said to focus on spiritually to ultimately fight one’s own MIND. Baba Grinder Singh teaches almost exact and to the letter the same thing.
That’s how I can logically surmise that He has accomplished the same perfection of mindfulness. And he can properly teach others, as Charan Singh Ji knew.
Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | August 01, 2023 at 05:44 PM
You spoke at length but could not give a correct answer to my point.
My question is still the same
How do you know that baba gurinder singh has perfected mindfulness?
@AA
Can it be known that a person “has perfected mindfulness”
and if so…
how can that be known?
@AA
Grandma would tell us little bpys,
“You can see peoples head, you cannot see inside their heads”
And even Inside your own head it might be difficult to find out whether you are mindful or not let alone having perfected it.
So … if you can know what is going on in your own head how do you know what is going on in any bodyies head.
If your parents, friends etc tell you … we love you, what do you know?
Can you know their love, given that you know what love is all about?
You can ask OTHERS these questions, ask THEM to solve these riddles for you but even if they could you would still be left empty handed as the only think people can share with one another are …WORDS ….EMPTY words as all attribute their own meaning and value to the words they read and hear.
So … you will never know whether and if, how your parents love[d] you and I dear to say that you even have no idea yourself whether you love them as you have no idea what is love all about.
@ AA
I love to listen to this or that classical Indian music.
On youtube many are to be found that are presented as being a MARSTRO, one that has mastered his particular instrument and the style of his Garana, [school]
They SAY this or that person is a MAESTRO but what is a MAESTRO all about, is the question and HOW is that to be kown?
What remains is the personal appreciation… the attribution of meaning and value to what is heard and seen …. what ultimately results in listening to a given player, a given saga, in a given mood …the fact that sometimes tears of joy are shed, does that mean the pleayer is a maestro of music and instrument?
Personal I do not care ..I do not play an instrument myself, what is mine is my personal responsibility for what I hear and the values I attributed to them and it should be clear that these personal, these subjective evaluations cannot and should not be taken as having the power to say something about what is seen and heard.
YOU will never beeen able to know for sure whether a person is a MAESTRO, let alone an spiritual master.
Those that do and seek to find do not stand on their own legs and are by nature insecure…before they can be a perfect student, they have to find self confidence.
@AA
Can it be known that a person “has perfected mindfulness”
and if so…
how can that be known?
Posted by: um | August 03, 2023 at 12:31 AM
That’s exactly I asked to Karim.
The person who claims something ( like perfected mindfulness ) will answer it.
How can you claim about complete strange person what he knows and what he does not know?
though “um” preach well even nobody’s need that..
@AA
I write when and what I want and you AA, you read when and what YOU want … you are free to attribute whatever meaning and value YOU want to MINE words.
You are preaching to yourself … do not blame me.
Be glad there are others that take the time to address you
Dear “um”
My point was not what you understood. I read your writings very carefully and some points are very interesting and well explained. I am sorry if my words hurt you.
@ AA
That possibility is always there to mutual misunderstanding one another..
English is not my mother tongue and that adds to misunderstandings of sorts.
Otherwise … no ill feelings.
Gurinder Singh dhillon is a Shameless soami his reputation is in tatters internationally and still he goes on endlessly how Godly he is
A uncaring selfish little man on a lustful journey of greed and power.
As long as he’s enjoying his pensioner years he doesn’t care about anybody but himself selfish Shameless Soami Gurinder Singh Dhilion you’re a Disaster in the making.
Another true incident but the blind will stay blinded
“YOU will never beeen able to know for sure whether a person is a MAESTRO, let alone an spiritual master.
Those that do and seek to find do not stand on their own legs and are by nature insecure…before they can be a perfect student, they have to find self confidence.”
Posted by: um | August 03, 2023 at 01:08 AM
Taking our first steps towards mindfulness ain’t easy imo. But if we have a good role model like Maharaj Ji Charan Singh was. True mindfulness could be a hop, skip, and a jump away.
Plus, grown to learn that my coffee is best at 3 am right before the contract of meditation.
I like mines black.
@ Kariim
What I wrote and write cannot been seen apart from my association with him.
As the sun shines on all, all do benefit from its warmth in their own way.
Yes I do understand that many a thing I express in relation to him might be not “appropriate” to his followers, because they do not understand what I write,or I do not understand his teachings. or their understanding of these teachings.
That said … I am very, very grateful for that association.
The harder one tries to look like a perfect guru, and to portray a manufactured image to the rest of the world , the more fear he has of being found out and the more you know he is a fake ass hiding baba. So what does he does he get up to when he is not clowning on stage – sangat only see him for a fraction of his life . If he got caught out stealing billions from his own blood nephew’s, do you really think the sangats money is safe ??? Further you can bet he has illegal sex, takes alcohol, drugs , and ordered the murder of many exposing this baba of beas. He thinks he is not accountable to anyone given he believes he is a god in human form. But, karma will bite you in the ass fake gurinder, when people find out the double standards you are working – 1 rule for us and another for yourself and family.
Let’s get this straight once and for all. RSSB is based on the delusional experiences of Jaimal Singh. A man more who tricked “Great Master” into paying for EVERYTHING while Jaimal was Master. Great Master paid for the building of the original temple at Beas. He was constantly receiving letters from Jaimal Singh asking him for money. It was absurd. Jaimal Singh didn’t do anything except meditate in a cave in haunted woods on free land for 17 years while receiving these COMPLETELY bizarre instructions from the “negative power”.
The whole thing is so stupid that it’s sad.
Jaimal wasn’t very cautious or intelligent or good with money. And yet millions of people to this day are deceived by his original teachings which he got from the negative power. Sad. Pathetic really.
It’s much like the Catholic Church.
No RSSB Master has ever made it past Trikuti.
I can assure you GSD has never been to Sach Khand in this lifetime. We all originated from there but he has never traveled “home” in his current role as head of RSSB.
How can you follow a supposed leader who hasn’t been able to achieve what he prescribes his followers?
It’s sheer hypocrisy. It’s lunacy to follow such a false leader and a person that only serves as a false god to millions.
What I resent about GSD the most is that he was too foolish and too lazy to travel beyond Trikuti.
Some days I actually feel sorry for GDhillon because I recognize that he had such bad mentors. And other days I’m like fk him for being so stupid!!!
A lot of ‘Honest’ ‘Truth’ from men with NO names.
@ For the ….
>> We all originated from there but he has never traveled “home” in his current role as head of RSSB.<< What do you mean by "we all orginated from there" What is "There" How do "we" inhabitants of this earth know that to be true?