Things I don’t miss about RSSB

Tell me more about the female groupies. Maybe I need to become a guru.

You were lucky that left RSSB cult. Those cult members don’t even recognise anyone who is not part of this cult. They don’t even care about their husband, wife, or any other family members. For them, this cult is the only family.

A so-called National Satsang is going on in the UK. They call other religions organised religion and are against it, but they are themselves more organised than any other religion. Now, if you want to go to satsang, you need to register first, and they will give you a ticket for each session.

Brainwashing is at its peak, using saints’ writings for their own benefit and manipulating their teachings. Even Gurinder has made many changes in old books of many old RSSB so-called Gurus.

Now, a new Guru in line is waiting. Gurinder brought his cousin/relative because business needs to stay in the family. There was no devotee/Sevadar eligible to be the next Guru. Not sure any other cult member can’t see this clearly. That is called brainwashing. Even land grabbing, real estate scams, money laundering, and supporting Drug mafia were all ignored. Blind faith is that strong.

I wish one day people can see the reality and can enjoy a normal life, as this cult life is destroying many families.

And so, the never-ending search goes on, perhaps for security, happiness, meaning, belonging, etc, etc. All trying to find some point, some meaning to life – as if life itself is not meaning enough. Maybe it’s simply all down to the fact that mentally, the self we imagine we are has the effect of isolating us from our connections to the world, from nature, from other folk, from life – and ourselves.

All we are left with is to saturate our feelings of separation with beliefs and various modes of pseudo-thinking that invariably keep us in a state of agitation and craving more and more stimuli, unaware of the fact that life is here now – not in some imagined or hoped-for distant utopia.

This is it.

Lovely guest blogger is just the kind of initiate Gurinder Singh Dhillon admires and I’ll tell you why. Like any narcissist GSD is incapable of real emotional health. And ANON has made the Path personal. It’s more important to be personal and incorrect than it is to go along to get along. Because there are no failures in Sant Mat. I can’t stress that enough since I’m a loser at the top of my game. Here’s some more direct quotes from GSD in personal direct correspondence ( send mail to him at Dera, he loves it). But he doesn’t always respond. These are from times he did.
Okay so after my vision during meditation that I was to be a guru ( hey and maybe get lots of vitamin P ) GSD started emailing me cuz I included it in my letter along with my phone number so eventually I got text as well always referring back to my physical mail to make sure who I was talking to. Anyway I didn’t want to have his job but I told him in a sarcastic tone that he was a mother f***** ( for telling me during meditation that I was a guru ). He replied ” maybe an adulterer but not a mother f***** “. ( And by the way MF is a term of endearment amongst musicians). GSD is anything but an artist.
So he continued stressing that I should grow a beard and that when this time came that I was to resonate here and there for him after his passing I took it with a grain of salt since I didn’t want that job and also I didn’t want him to pass. But this man and his insensitivity is mind-boggling. I told him there’s no way I could even follow the path unless I led it in which case I would feel a sense of responsibility (that he obviously doesn’t feel ). He’s just responsible to that clic and commune and Indian politics.
So anyway after much back and forth about whether the hairs on the body are marked or we have a right to choose , he finally said ” a lot can be learned from observing”. He was also quite sure of his position of strength amongst his million followers. Nothing was going to change his world and I didn’t want to. So I stayed quiet for years. I would check in on this blog of Brian’s occasionally and would think God Brian just has it so wrong . There’s no way he’s going to choose a nephew in that pharmaceutical business. He already chose me and I told him he chose wrong. But he said he was going to leave two sons behind when he died. Personally I’m over prepared for death after everything I’ve been through.
But taking his last bit of advice I started observing very closely him and the whole organization. That’s when I decided I didn’t want to be anything like him and be praised like that especially since I knew who he really was. I watched him say one thing and do another over and over again. And now the only thing keeping me from being a bitter old man about it is an old funky guitar.
I started observing more than ever that there was no reason to lie to me if in fact he was lying. He lied about many many short-term promises as is common amongst people that go along to get along, who say anything to be anything. So not only were the followers that I told about all this jealous of me, the guru himself was jealous of me. I have no need for jealousy. I still can’t remember the best things he said. When I quoted the famous Texan line that I never did like you he responded. ” You ain’t supposed to like me”. Another go along to get along response. I knew a long time ago that I mentally and intellectually understood the Sat Mant path but especially the people better than he did. GSD told me that his own mother was a narcissist. Why he said that I don’t really know why he said half the things he said. He was just letting his hair down with a cool guy. Cooler than him anyway…

Eight simple principles of Sant Mat and all spirituality:

1. No whining
2. No blame… Not yourself nor anything nor anyone else.
3. Full responsibility for your situation rests with you. Only you can do anything about you. That comes first, then all help follows. You have the responsibility and you have all the power necessary within you.
4 When children mature they develop gratitude. And they get the help they need, not the toys they are addicted to. And gratitude is the basis of inheritance of the Father’s wealth.
5. Gratitude is the realization of the unconditional love that is being showered upon us all the time.
6. True gratitude involves loving someone more than yourself.
7. It’s not about you. It’s about the One beautiful soul we are all a part of who has been caring for us all along.
8. In the heart of adversity is advantage, learning, growth. Accept, adapt and grow with God.

This place here is hotel California.
The conspiracy isn’t just the x files. It’s all the files A to Z.

Your escape is going within.

Progress on the inner path requires only three things

1. A living master.
2. The Shabd
3. The disciple’s determination.

Complaints about 1 or 2? See item 3.

I never heard that part about no complaining. I think that’s total BS. What are you, the bad News bears? Every time you say the five words you’re mentally complaining and whining for an escape. You seem like one of the biggest hypocrites on the planet which is not unusual for a Left Coast wacko. What amazes me is the number of mental retards that Gurinder wished for. And got. Obviously a pencil pusher. I’m incapable of progress since I’m already at the destination and I know I am.

Hi Ron
When children mature they develop gratitude. You may take your own temperature.

The five words are love poetry.

You can rightly claim he gave those to you. You can give him all the credit for those, our very lifeline.

Then you can sing to him all night long that love song, just as he has been singing to you 24/7/20,000,000,000.

To truly understand God’s infinite compassion and love one needs only to read the misguided and malnourished essays and comments posted here and see for yourself how infinitely forgiving, caring, and compassionate God truly is. He accepted such as these! He has accepted us! The miracle is evident right here.

Came across this by Robert Saltzman in his book ‘The Ten Thousand Things’. While most of us are running around looking for something we call enlightenment – or someone who can give us what we believe is enlightenment, we cannot see that this, this very life we are all living, is it: –

“The ‘I’ who is replying to questions here is not a ‘person’ at all, which is really only a legal and social designation, but an indefinable, unrestrained flow of perceptions, feelings and thoughts. That flow is not happening ‘to’ me. That flow ‘is’ me. In the eyes of the world, Robert may be a person, but to myself I am not a person, but a happening, a stream of consciousness over which I have no control.
We are all like that, but not all of us know it. Most of us were put in a trance long ago, beginning in early childhood – a kind of stupor in which the emptiness and co-dependency of “myself” goes unseen. We are lost in a fantasy of separation in which I am “in here” while the world I see (the ten thousand things) is “out there.” It is from that confusion that one awakens.”

Hi Ron E.

You quoted Saltzman, and when I read it it just raises questions:

He writes:
““The ‘I’ who is replying to questions here is not a ‘person’ at all, which is really only a legal and social designation, but an indefinable, unrestrained flow of perceptions, feelings and thoughts.”

We carry an “I”, a Persona, and are constantly grooming that, adding to it, protecting it, defending it, trying to expand and refine it, trying to justify it, trying to define it in words and values and “character traits”. We try to sell it when we apply for a job, or a date, or a marriage, or a business. It’s a big deal and often makes up a lot of what we think are our perceptions, feelings and thoughts.

And we have certain feelings about that I, generally about how great it is (“Ego”) or how ashamed we are of it (“super ego”), or just drives to feed it (“Id”). The “I” makes up practically all our thoughts and the framework all our thoughts are generated from.

And then we view the things we see as possessions or possible possessions. We distinguish “I” and “Me” and “My Family”, “My friends”, “My home,” “M country,” with “Them,” “Theirs,” “Their country”. We live in these perceptions which are mostly concepts fed by perception, twisted by thinking. Somehow “My Home” feels better than “their home.”…etc..We place values on these things, and those values may make us feel great or poorly.. Human beings are comparative creatures. It can’t be helped. It’s not a disease. It’s not a problem to be fixed, cured, or changed.

“I” and “mine” is not merely a legal definition. It’s where most everyone lives, when they stop to think about what they are spending time thinking about. Even just thinking about mowing “my lawn” or cleaning “my house” or writing to “my aunt”.

We are living in our mind.

Saltzman writes:
“That flow is not happening ‘to’ me. That flow ‘is’ me. In the eyes of the world, Robert may be a person, but to myself I am not a person, but a happening, a stream of consciousness over which I have no control.”

To you, you are what you define yourself to be. Robert’s bag of words may not be how you define yourself. When his “happening” takes the car to the store, I’m pretty sure it’s “Robert” and when anyone asks, I doubt he says “Robert didn’t drive to the store. The Happening did…which I prefer not to label as Robert…I’m the artist named Prince…yes, call me that.”

“We are all like that, but not all of us know it.”

It’s always great when a philosopher says “We are all like that.” That’s a sure sign he’s got something.

Saltzman continues
” Most of us were put in a trance long ago, beginning in early childhood – a kind of stupor in which the emptiness and co-dependency of “myself” goes unseen. ”

Maybe much earlier than childhood. Using the word “trance” suggests we can wake up. But I don’t see much in Saltzman’s writing here except replacing one paradigm with another, and neither very revealing. If you replace one dream with another you are still dreaming.

He continues :
“We are lost in a fantasy of separation in which I am “in here” while the world I see (the ten thousand things) is “out there.” It is from that confusion that one awakens.”

One “awakens”…so there is some superlevel of consciousness? That super level just seems to be a listing of the parts of how we think, leaving out quite a few of the basic parts that everyone who uses their brain to think must function with.

Beyond thought, even the parts Saltzman lists are incomplete. ‘Happening/ and ‘Flow don’t capture that.
But it this allows Saltzman to diagnose the problems of the world, and then to offer his favored treatment, so be it.

But it could just be a dog chasing it’s own tail, thinking the tail is the real dog.

One final note, Ron E.
It appears to me that what Saltzman wrote may appeal to some. They may read this and say “OMG, the man knows the Truth!”

And that may help them be a little more objective about who and what they are. Or it might just give their existing beliefs a few more elegant labels.

I get it, and that has a value if you are window shopping for new labels.

But it’s not self-realization, not raised consciousness, and not awakening.

Those are far more consequential events, generally shocking, even traumatic, and often at the end of many, many years, many decades, perhaps many lifetimes of words, of “me” and “mine” having and loss, the end of one journey of words and thinking that is only the beginning of a journey of experience beyond words, where the boundaries between Me, You and They don’t exist.

Not an empty place, a full place, but filled with just one thing, Love. And the cost is letting go of everything else. Still, we don’t let go at first. That Love wears us down. But some of us can’t help returning there, to let a little more of what we thought was “me” and “mine” disappear. To die daily. Only to realize, “That’s OK. That’s Incredible, that’s Good, that’s Fantastic.”

Briefly, it’s quiet simple; you are what you are in that moment, whether that’s what you are thinking, feeling, sensing etc. Anything else you invest onto that, whether you call that God, love, truth etc., is your own conjecture, mental musings.

After saying that, even those musings are ‘you’ as all that is arising for you in the moment is you. That moment is your reality. All the beliefs, ideas, opinions you have collected – or been subjected to – are someone else’s story.

Find your own mind free from the stories of someone else. That is the authenticity that will set you free from the conceptual content you mistake for the real world. Be your own person, be a light to yourself.

He’s too busy struggling trying to keep four vows . And nowhere in those four vows does it say to worship a guru. Just try to be a good person and you’ll have the guru beat.

The path is a path to freedom.
All your thinking is someone else’s idea. And where did they get it from? So far away you don’t remember. We think we move but we are moved.

All sensory perceptions have been altered and adulterated before you see it by conditioning and genetics you know nothing of. All ripples on a quantum sea. You just forgot.

Awake dear dreamers.

Give up worshipping your own image in the lake. It was never real.

Do I regret being initiated into RSSB, absolutely. I was influenced by well meaning friends and family.
Good point about the experience, I learned to let go and let God. I now happily attend the high mass in Latin at my neighborhood Catholic church. This 90 minute a week experience, puts me in touch with the duality of the physical world.
I accept completely that I was a failure on the RSSB path. Never ever could do the 2 and one half hours of meditation. In hindsight sight I am happy I never could.
Following RSSB religiously has turned many of my fellow Sat Sangi’s into Monks.