Below is another in a series of guest blog posts from Anon, an ex-RSSB initiate. RSSB stands for Radha Soami Satsang Beas, an India-based religious organization headed up by a guru that I belonged to for 35 years, which explains my interest in sharing criticisms of the faith that I also found lacking.
What Anon describes about the demands put upon RSSB initiates seems particularly true for Indian members of the organization, whether or not they live in India. The pressure to be viewed as an exemplary RSSB member seems greater when a person’s culture and family connections encourages this.
But during my experience as an American member of RSSB, there were plenty of times when people in our local sangat (RSSB group) would be judged harshly via the RSSB rumor mill. “I’ve heard that ______ is off the path,” someone would say. Meaning, supposedly they weren’t following all of the RSSB rules expected of them. Of course, that person may have been totally content with their spiritual path — just as I am now that I’ve left RSSB.
RSSB ALL OR NOTHING culture
I’ve said before.
There is no casual following with this and it’s all or nothing with them (unless you have the “famous multimillionaire free pass”). It is ALL or NOTHING.
RSSB states you don’t have to give anything up, can follow your religion, and they encourage a normal householder lifestyle. Although RSSB says this – their RSSB requirements end up creating an environment where you can’t really achieve this.
Although they say they encourage you to live a normal life – they monopolise your time so much so that it is virtually impossible to actually live a normal life in order to be RSSB.
RSSB MONOPOLISING YOUR TIME
It’s a requirement to attend satsang regularly. These are long and on the weekend – which cut into your free time. (Frequently a Sunday). Many also have satsangs during the weekday.
SUNDAY GONE TO RSSB
It’s a requirement to attend seva regularly. This is an all day (or sometimes week long) commitment – which cuts into your free time. (Frequently a Saturday)
SATURDAY GONE TO RSSB
Now you have your entire weekend taken up by RSSB and you’re expected to go regularly.
You need to do this in order to be initiated.
WEEKENDS GONE TO RSSB
Once initiated, you must meditate 2.5 hours daily and and you are encouraged to cut socialising and sleep time.
EVENINGS/EARLY MORNINGS GONE TO RSSB
Many satsangs/visits are also held over on public holidays and you’re expected to go.
PUBLIC HOLIDAYS GONE TO RSSB.
You are expected to go to the major satsangs as well abroad and do long stints of seva – it likely means giving up your actual free holiday/PTO/work leave time – in order to spend it at RSSB.
PTO/VACATION TIME GONE TO RSSB.
End result. This means you have no free early mornings or evenings, saturday, sundays, weekends, no public holidays, PTO/vacation leave – if you want to follow RSSB.
You simply don’t have time to do anything else.
RSSB AND WORK
RSSB encourages you to “earn an honest living”. This means in reality “get a job”. This is the one thing they do encourage.
In reality – outside your actual full time job, you’ve got no time for anything or anyone else. This isn’t a healthy life. RSSB seems to think it’s fine. They don’t actually encourage anything else.
The Guru view which he preaches on his podium is typically “DO YOUR DUTY”. In practical reality means work your job and pay your own bills/your kids bills – and it is framed as a “householder duty”. That’s all – don’t go off and quit your job and be a recluse – but largely so you don’t turn around and sue them.
They frame “being a householder” as someone who just has a job and ensures their bills/ family’s bills are paid. In reality – a life is more than just work and paying bills.
A home is more than the bills in it’s name. Life is more than working. They would disagree.
You are also encouraged not to go around environments where you may be led astray. Even if you did have any little free time – you’re not really encouraged to go places really. The outside world is demonised and framed as an illusion.
You are also left with very little time to attend your actual religion. RSSB ideology is different from other religions (chances are it does not align with what your religion teaches) and so they do replace their views with your own. It is also a requirement to read their literature and the expectation is you follow and accept their spiritual views.
The practical lived reality of following RSSB is this: Do Your Job, Pay The Bills and the rest is RSSB.
I don’t intend to diagnose – but this is all very controlling and comes across as coercive control and isolation. They do not actually tell you all this from the beginning. They also do state that you’re here voluntarily – but they never tell you how the goalposts shift. This is very much a “mission creep” scenario that nobody will tell you about.
People in RSSB don’t actually tell you this and they don’t set out what is practically required on their website or at any point during your experience. They say “seva, satsang, meditate” but following all this literally takes over your life to a point that you don’t have time for anything outside RSSB except your work. You are also required to do all this in order to be RSSB and people also don’t really let others leave – it is seen as becoming non-RSSB which is seen as a direct attack on the faith by many and there is a culture of surveillance/policing.
Again, if people really knew – would they go? I went voluntarily but I didn’t know I was signing up to all this.
Good luck out there.
Anon
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Again, this “one size fits all” portrayal is not only inaccurate, it’s wildly misleading. Nobody is kidnapping satsangis, throwing them into a van, and forcing them to surrender their critical faculties at the satsang door. Much of what happens comes from our own minds, our own projections, and, yes, our own tendency toward cultic ways of thinking.
The description is so over-the-top that it almost reads like a parody of itself.
RS, like most religious traditions, is neither all nectar nor all poison. Take what is insightful, useful, or transformative and discard what isn’t. But turning every satsangi’s experience into the same cautionary tale simply replaces one kind of dogmatism with another.
And there’s the irony: if you criticize a tradition for encouraging black-and-white thinking, it’s probably best not to criticize it in black and white.
Nuance matters. Individual experience matters. And sweeping generalizations—whether made by believers or critics, usually tell us more about the person making them than about the complicated reality they’re supposedly describing. Sometimes our criticism is a boomerang that comes back and hits us in the head, only to force us to look at the mirror and ask a wiser question, “don’t project when I have the chance to reflect.” Then and only then can we do the necessary changes… and if that means leaving RS, good. If that means being wiser in what we take in and what we don’t then good.
No. Anon says the truth. The hardcore RSSBists (especially the middle class) do all this. Their entire life is dedicated to RSSB. Anything other than that fact is seen as sinful.
Where do you think you are? This is not the RSSB website and you are deluded, unhinged, crazy, if you expect to find pro-RSSB content on a website run by ex-RSSB people. Anyone RSSB coming here to this website knowing what it is and getting mad at what they find – you need your head checked – you’re doing this to yourself and might be mentally ill if you continue to consciously do this. Nobody made you log onto the website and nobody forced you to read this. If you dont like it go and read something else. This isn’t the RSSB website, just to remind you. You might be clinically insane if you think you’ll find stories about loving the guru on here.
The carrot of RSSB is what I will refer to has a wet meditation( going within). Is the sound current real? Is it a point that major religions have no idea of? Is it exclusively available to initiates of RSSB? Is having wet meditations on a daily basis healthy for the human mind? Or is it a form of a psychological mental psychosis? Are Satsangi’s who regularly have wet meditations actually mentally normal in the view of psychiatry. Does RSSB validate modern psychiatry’s scientific findings? RSSB forbids the discussion of initiated satsangis openly talking about their wet meditations.
A example of a Satsangi talking about his wet meditation,(the Satsangi having a wet meditation and being told by his master that he will be the next head of RSSB) Is this wet dream a true epiphany or a phychotic episode?
Well, reading many biographical accounts of inner experiences, I got the impression that they were all related to the experience of extreme urgency and or trauma … in case of urgency …. there was a kind of ultimate cry for … HELP.
all the experiences that have been recorded through history and by all that had them from all over the world, … that help was given … given as content in that experience.
Many of these experiences have formed human history to this very day and are operating.
Just think of the revelation of Abraham, the elder of a tribe in dear need of a place for his people to live, the cattle to graze and be left in peace….him was offered land and the protection of the divine as his chosen people.
In its wake it gave birth to three religions and endless bloodshed until this very day.
Of course HEARING of these things people desired to recreate these helpful experiences… artificial and at will….so many practices were developed to manipulate the brain into a state of crisis, trauma.
What matters is the CONTENT of the experiences and how they relate to the experience of living a life as a human being.
Anyway … enough… I need some coffee now
So coffee had … time to reflect….
Based upon what I came to understand of the content of these experiences is of such intensity, that it has been impossible for all that had one not to believe it as a higher level of reality .. so much so that they came to label this live as a dream they woke up from.
Often these experiences are related to epilepsy, so the structures in the brain that cause it are related to these experiences. Epilepsy, everybody can understand is a state of vital urgency.
The saying ” many are called, few are chosen ” tells that lots of people feel the need to follow a path that will bring an final end for their suffering … suffering can be anything …so they practice…each according their circumstances and conditions.
Few will reach that goal as the biographies of those that invested their lives in it…the monks and nuns, the recluse etc …of … these a part will find satisfaction in “walking the path” … others that cannot let go of their need and their goal, will suffer … and might and up here…grumbling …
So … walking any path with the right spirit, finding pleasure and satisfaction in the walking will do …love for and devotion to the walking is what matters …at least if one wants a path …others must wander around … that too can be done with love an devotion…it is the path of surrender, advaita …”knowledge” …or just drink coffee
It doesn’t sound like an ex initiate to me. It sounds like he/she is still there coping with the dutiful situation. And Gurinder couldn’t follow the path so they made him king. Steal a little and they put you in jail, steal a lot and they make you a king . I wondered why some of these military type men and women at the meetings seating people and attending, project discipline. But Gurinder is not disciplined at all other than curling his mustache and marching around with folded hands. How hard can that be? What I don’t sense is much love or much fun. So I can get that from anywhere not just from satsangi. I follow the vows religiously but I’ve never meditated two and a half hours at one sitting . I have no set time for meditation although it usually comes naturally when I wake up in the morning. I have to feel the love to even begin to meditate. And like I say I meditate better without Gurinder Singh in the picture. Yes I had those inner experiences that felt that it came from him and yes I never mentioned them to him but he knew about them and talked about them in real life to me personally. Maybe he tries to be such a jerk on the physical plane so people will go inside because inside he’s beautiful and not the same man. So what I should say is I meditate better without the physical form of the master anywhere near. At least not this master. I won’t know whether he lied to me until he dies. He said he was leaving two people in the world to take his place. I just assume it’s because of world war 3. There’s always a practical reason behind everything a real master does. And I never said that this jerk wasn’t a real master. In fact I told Brian that I believe that a narcissistic ego maniac lying sob could still be a actual sound current master. I also said all you need them for is initiation even if it is just psychological. And once you become initiated there’s no way you can become uninitiated. There are no X’s in Sant Mat.
And before you satsangis who are also jerks say anything judgmental just remember who the real Master is. He’s ( It’s) already revealed to me more secrets than you could ever know and reminded me of my shortcomings in ways that you wouldn’t know how. So just mind your own business and everything will be fine. I’m minding mine as I write this. ( The Blues is my business and business is good). An actual sound.
If Anon has tried the two and a half hours per day even if the mantra was “I am not a wet kipper”, then it should give Anon enough resilience to stand on Anon’s own two feet and not be intimidated by such projections as pushed out on Anon’s post. Clearly intimidated and not from a valid angle.
If he or is it she ? does not have enough strength of character to simply refuse all that stuff. If you’re “expected” to attend a Satsang or do seva, it’s your decision Anon. If you’re a man get some balls.
Yes the atmosphere has changed dramatically after 1990 in local, national centre’s and beast.
Yes not all were willing and able to adapt to the emerging time spirit.
When everything dear to me and that was a lot little by little slipped through my fingers I had to let go. … that was not easy in the beginning .
… but it has been proven a blessing in disguise.
Away from the day to day affairs 9f the community i got a much deeper understanding of everything spiritual.
One of the greatest discoveries was that if one does an practice and everything related to it like community.munity work, in the same way an with the same mentality as one uses to do things at home and at work, one is asking for problems.
I had the great good fortune to do community work with “good” people in a ” good” …what made it easier for me to do things I otherwise never would do for nobody … finding that it did not harm me it opened my eyes for what I now call the small path leading to and through the small door …and I do now enjoy the fruits of it .. even for having left everything behind.
It is in frond before all but simple to overlook what forces to continue as one used to and than one might end up as anon describes.
How many RSSB people come to an ex-RSSB blog fully knowing what the site is, and then get mad when they read posts which are unfavourable – this is insane behaviour. What were you seriously expecting here? “I LOVE RSSB!?” Go onto the RSSB website if you want positive RSSB content. This isn’t the RSSB website. You can’t be mad if you come into here yourself an ex RSSB website and get mad at what you read – be mad at yourself because you did it to yourself – nobody forced you to come on this site and read all this nobody kidnapped you. Its your choice and if it doesn’t suit you just let it go and leave quietly, forget your grudge against the writers and set better boundaries with yourself.
Hi Anon:
I think you know that you have grossly confused your experience for the actual “requirements”, and appear entirely unaware of the benefits of meditation.
But I take it that this was real for you and accept it as such. As we have written before, your capacity to set social boundaries appears compromised. Everyone has to struggle with how to set appropriate, and loving boundaries with family members, friends and significant others. When you do this, you do not need to leave anyone or any place. But it does require that you master your own life. It is a universal condition that we must manage our lives through appropriate limits, based upon self-respect. Meditation can give you that strength, guidance and inspiration.
You most certainly know there are only four vows we are required to take on this path. Let’s go over them in careful detail, just as you have gone over claims that are objectively false.
The four vows:
1. To maintain a strict lacto-vegetarian diet which accomplishes three things. First, we reduce the killing needed for our own survival by not killing animals. That’s an ethical plus. And there are nutritional benefits.
While a diet including meat naturally provides certain essential nutrients like vitamin B12 and iron with less planning than a vegetarian diet, frequent consumption of processed and red meats is linked to a higher risk of chronic conditions like heart disease and colorectal cancer, whereas well-planned vegetarian diets rich in whole foods are consistently associated with a lower risk of these diseases. Ultimately, the healthfulness of either diet is heavily influenced by the inclusion of nutrient-dense whole plants and general lifestyle habits.
So you can’t say one diet is better or worse overall, because it depends on how you balance it. A diet of very little red meat and healthy lifestyle and a similar vegetarian diet both are associated with improved longevity.
What you can say is that you can make a healthy lacto-vegetarian diet for yourself, if you are careful, and you are doing much less harm, in terms of killing animals, and to your own self. And if you do it right, it’s very healthy also.
It’s really the impact on our own consciousness that is the basis of that requirement. A vegetarian diet is much lighter and so meditation, quieting the mind, becomes much, much easier.
When we examine our own lifestyle and choices carefully when we are struggling to improve meditation, we often find diet has a huge HUGE impact, even within the lacto-vegetarian diet. As personal scientists, we can see how greatly varied our meditation is as we make efforts to balance and lighten our diet and our lifestyle even within the vows. What we put into our stomachs affects our thinking, our behavior, even our ethics and morality.
2. No recreational drugs, alcohol or anything made of these. This is just common sense. These things reduce the brain’s awareness and functioning. And for many, as in the case of drug or alcohol addiction, they destroy lives.
Here is what Gemini reports: “While the negative impacts of illicit recreational drugs (such as opioids, stimulants, and synthetic substances) on lifespan are well-documented due to overdose risks, organ damage, and addiction, the scientific consensus around alcohol has undergone a massive shift. Modern epidemiological data has dismantled the old belief that moderate drinking extends life.”
” When researchers isolate lifetime abstainers and compare them to light drinkers with the same exercise, income, and dietary habits, the supposed “survival advantage” of alcohol completely vanishes. Alcohol provides zero net health or longevity benefits.”
“Alcohol is a known Class 1 carcinogen. Public health updates from organizations like the American Heart Association stress that avoiding alcohol directly lowers your risk for at least seven types of cancer, including breast, liver, colorectal, and esophageal cancers.”
” While it was once thought alcohol protected the heart, current cardiology guidance notes that even low levels of consumption raise the risk of hypertension, stroke, and cardiovascular disease. Avoiding it maintains a lower baseline blood pressure.”
“When looking strictly at longevity statistics, recreational drug use (outside of medically managed prescriptions) drastically truncates the average life expectancy of a population cohort.”
“In large-scale population tracking, living completely substance-free is one of the foundational pillars of maximum longevity, alongside a healthy diet, daily exercise, weight management, and never smoking. Health agencies worldwide, including the World Health Organization, now explicitly state that when it comes to long-term health, no amount of alcohol or recreational substance use is considered safe.”
3. Lead a clean moral life to the highest ethical standards, earn your own living, take full responsibility for yourself. Well what more needs to be said? Don’t cut corners, don’t lie, cheat, steal. Pay your bills, pay your taxes, don’t cheat anyone. There are circumstances where we are tempted all the time, and where opportunity exists to cut corners without any apparent repercussions. But they are there. This vow helps remind us that what makes our meditation work is a life free of these weights on our own conscience. People on the path do fall, also. But the Path is there to help us get back up and do the right thing. And meditation can also give us strength, balance when we accept meditation as the center of our lives. The strength to live to the highest moral standards.
4. Meditation. To have a goal to get to and hold to 2 and 1/2 hours per day. When we actually put in the time, it is clear that to silence the mind can take far more than that. It is only then that we have access to that bliss of the spirit directly within. Even getting there, getting to taste that nectar after 2 1/2 hours reliably every day, even that is actually great progress! So, what does it take to make that kind of progress?
No different than what a professional athlete must do: What they eat, their mood, how they deal with others, all that affects their performance.
And in meditation practice we become more and more aware of what condition our mind is in each day. Sticky mind, soft mind, firm mind, spongy mind, quiet mind, loving mind, receptive mind, mind at peace, mind silent.
It’s serious work, with incredible benefits.
There is no requirement to love the Master nor to attend Satsang. They are the reports of those who have made progress. They aren’t in the vows. There is no vow that you must accept the Master as anything at all, and no vow that you must attend any meeting once you are initiated. Zero.
Just the four vows.
We just discover these things, the power and love of Master, his compassion, and the power of Satsang to protect our efforts to build our meditation, as part of our own progress. We often discover these things, as a child learns to walk, by falling. But like a good child, we aren’t insulted by falling. We don’t blame anyone else. We get back up and continue to learn about the process.
You have taken initiation. You may reject the Master, you may fall in any number of ways. You may continue to write hurtful things. But the Master has never and will never reject you. You can leave him, at least in your thinking. He does not have that luxury. He made a comittment, just like you did. But unlike you, he remains steadfast.
BINGO. Got 6 this time.
Sorry Anon
Those six are mine.
Score now Spence /Anon 6/0
What are you doing? Are you seriously, as an RSSB person, on an ex-RSSB website by ex-RSSB people, and grtting mad at them and preaching RSSB values to them? You came to this website yourself, nobody forced you or made you read this or do this. You can’t be mad at what you find on an ex-RSSB space as an RSSB person fully knowing what it is- you’re doing it to yourself. Set better boundaries and let go of your grudge against ex-RSSB people. You can’t be mad on here. This isn’t the RSSB website.
Just as an example … the buddha to become.e started out with suffering in this world …NOT… with any other motivation.
it is a common understanding that each and everybody that is satisfied with himself and his situation … and … convinced that he will be able to look after himself, will not take steps to change chance for the better let alone seek help or advice from others. ..divine or not
So all that asked for initiation in the end will have to deal with the things mundane that pressed them to ask for initiation.
The late mcs has made it clear to me that the path he teaches is of no help in any mundane
capacity .. sant mat is to find God to the complete exclusion of everything else.
Only understanding these psychological issues properly one will e able to take the right decisions.
I dear to say that most people are not interested in God…the want their problems solved by something other than themselves.
And .. in coffee house is coffee served an no paint
Anon,
It may be of interest for you to know that no place is off limits to any Satsangi.
In 1978, as a new initiate, working on a mental health team with two gay part time actors, I was invited to march down Hollywood Boulevard in the Gay Pride parade along side them. My friend who brought me to the Path, Tom Curtis, and his wife Maria, joined me. My girlfriend also came along. But once she saw the leather and the skin she, even amidst all the celebration, as a Catholic, decided to walk along the sidewalk rather than join us in the midst of the parade.
It was all inclusive, everyone was invited to join. It was a celebration of free expression. And it was then that I learned, and realized, that Sant Mat is the ultimate in freedom and united in brother/sister/otherhood. You can go anywhere, and enjoy anyone’s company within the bounds of those vows, and fueled by the power of spirit. And that means you can accept everyone also. We are all souls here, going through our different experiences.
Of course good company is best. But my friends, who were openly gay, were two of the kindest human beings I ever had known and to this day, have ever known. What brought us together was an appreciation for all that is good in human beings, in all its varied forms.
From the Sant Mat perspective, grounded in that very center of life that is Shabd, the world is an incredible place of souls each striving for what is good in their own way. And no place is off limits. Learn to master every situation, to become the master of that setting, and then you can, within the vows, enjoy what experience Master brings to you.
Anon
Learn to build that atmosphere of the Path within and around you, to take it with you wherever you go. Master is right there beside you and within you.
Become portable. Adaptable.
Because the Path isn’t a building, a location at all. It isn’t a group of people. It isn’t actually a book of ancient teachings or even vows.
It’s in YOU. The four vows are part of the practice to get you connected to YOU.
Learn to build that and take it wherever you go. Then you enter God Mode: You become bulletproof and no one can sway you. Now you are really standing on your own two feet, making your own decisions, aligned to Truth, the Master within you. And finally, learning to set appropriate and healthy boundaries.
It’s a requirement to attend seva regularly. This is an all day (or sometimes week long) commitment – which cuts into your free time. (Frequently a Saturday)
UTTER CRAP. NEVER BEEN TO SEVA. NO ONE ASKS WHY I DO NOT GO
Many satsangs/visits are also held over on public holidays and you’re expected to go.
NOT WHERE I AM FROM. ONLY SATSANG ON SUNDAYS
You are expected to go to the major satsangs as well abroad and do long stints of seva – it likely means giving up your actual free holiday/PTO/work leave time – in order to spend it at RSSB.
NO ONE ASKS ME TO GO ABROAD. MORE CRAP
End result. This means you have no free early mornings or evenings, saturday, sundays, weekends, no public holidays, PTO/vacation leave – if you want to follow RSSB.
ONCE AGAIN ANON IS SIMPLY DELUDED
Another RSSB person who is mad at finding ex-RSSB content on a website run by ex-RSSB people. Nobody forced you to read this. If you don’t like it, go on the RSSB website and read pro-RSSB content. What were you thinking you’d find here? “I love Radha Soami?” Manage your expectations, set better boundaries and evaluate your life choices. If you’re mad, it’s because you came here yourself and did this to yourself – nobody forced you to read this or visit this website. If you did, you did so yourself and can’t be mad at the bloggers. They never promised an RSSB Fan Club. Continuing to seek out anti-RSSB content on an ex-RSSB website and then being mad at it while being an active RSSB member is mentally ill behaviour.
I have seen massive work done onsite in Texas from sevadors from as far away as Canada. They bunked them in a dorm for months doing heavy construction. A local sevador pick them up at the airport. Mostly satsangi Sikhs from Canada originally from India. I lasted a half a day being only one of two white men in a bunked workforce of thirty or forty men . But I did do seva there with loving devotion and to spy since I only lived about 20 mi away from that new center I even donated a punch bowl to mix their Kool-Aid in. For real I did that. But I didn’t return to go see Dumb and Dumber when they came last summer to give a two day seminar. Anon is not wrong about that.
Ron you are mistaken.
Seva is available, if you wish to do it.
You can work as much as you like.
But no one asks.
There was a mention that if anyone was interested, to sign up on a sheet of paper at the back of the Satsang.
When the Masters visited here in Petaluma, no one mentioned Seva to me at all. No one spoke to me.
When I asked, I was referred to the sign up sheet.
Then, I was called on the phone and interviewed by a small group to see how and where I could help, to tell me about the work, and to ask what I was interested in.
They welcomed the effort to volunteer but it had to be useful to them, and meaningful to me. But at no point did anyone ask me to do anything. 100% exactly the opposite of what Anon’s experience was.
Some worked very long hours and others less so. Some worked for days in preparation: People picked what they could do and what they wanted to do.
So there is a difference between culture, pressure of family, etc., even the internal pressure to help, and what the actual organization asks of Satsangis, which is ZERO, Nothing. If you volunteer, if you choose to take a job, then like any job you report to someone and they give you assignments, etc.
Don’t confuse what you see other people doing with what the organization asks. If they need help they say so, and then anyone can sign up to begin the process of helping. They don’t ask anyone. People ask to help, then something is put together for them.
Anon has an issue with setting boundaries, and in particular, that interferes with the boundaries of one’s own responsibility and agency. And of course this colors the entire world according to our own loves and hates.
But if you need to place blame, if you need to complain, no one is stopping you. But if you are interested in personal progress, then no blame is permitted in Sant Mat. You can’t blame your way into meditation progress Ronald ji.
I signed up. Are you talking to me? What am I wrong about now a whole? Who am I blaming now except myself for believing a perfectly effed up master ? You don’t know me and I’m not a ji. I guess you’re calling me a liar. I don’t appreciate that. I don’t lie that’s the one thing you can count on. You don’t know anybody online and you can accept that rule I guess since you’re so good at acceptance. I am not your friend either. I am no one’s friend who I’ve never met in person. You idiots been way too much time believing everything you read and I’m telling you what I saw. Months of construction off of free labor and cheap Mexican labor in the mix too. I took pictures if you want to send me your email I’ll send them to you.
I don’t know what your obsession with Anon is but go look in the mirror because you’re the one criticizing and putting blame on whoever Anon is. If you’ve never met anyone in person you don’t know them from what they say online. You’re the super critic aren’t you ?
Agree. Anon lives rent-free in this commenters head. He just needs to set better boundaries and let go of his Anon obsession. It isn’t healthy- for someone actively in RSSB to seek out an ex-RSSB blog knowing what it is and getting mad at anti-RSSB content and preaching RSSB on the site – is mentally ill behaviour.
Hey
Do I live rent free in your head? Yuck!
I’m not asking for meditation progress. I’m in a state of meditation 24 hours a day so I’m too busy to do that. These people that sit for two and a half hours and then start a blog criticizing the path is not my thing. I criticized it from the start. I don’t want to sit for two and a half hours or I would. I can sit all day if I wanted to but I don’t want to. Man’s attention span is only good for 45 minutes at a time. I didn’t say that , Jagat Singh did. You see I’m in constant communion with the Sound and I hear it just walking around. No brag, just fact.
I guess I was chosen and you weren’t hahaha
It’s not the meat it’s the motion Ronji. It’s not the quantity it’s the quality a hole.
45 minutes? I guess you never watched a two hour movie.
I guess you never climbed a mountain.
I guess you never built a detailed circuit board, model or prepared a large meal.
I guess you never designed a software program, a house, a building, a car, an engine, a spacecraft.
I guess you never put on a concert.
I guess you never put in a solid day of intellectual and collaborative work.
I guess you never planted a field.
45 minutes? Give me a break.
We are attending to our stuff 24/7. That’s the problem.
10% is nothing, if we can at least do that much.
You’re an idiot ( I guess)
I don’t deny it. Do you?
I see it every day.
Thank God I have a Master!
drama queen . I’ll forgive him when he’s dead
Why punish yourself when you can release that burden now?
Forgiveness has nothing to do with the other person. It is all about the effect on ourselves.
“Being angry at someone is like drinking poison and thinking the other person will die.”
Dalai Lama
I don’t remember saying that I was angry but if you want me to be I will try oh fake guru.
Then you should be much more forgiving. I’ve already forgiven Anon and Brian Ji. And I’ve already forgiven you, all before breakfast!
I’m about to forgive myself now, too…but to be honest, that’s much more work.
And do you know why?
You can’t listen to Shabd with hate or anger, or any resentment. Not possible. Not the true Shabd.
But you can take your own guilt and shame into Meditation, and like the Philosopher’s stone, Shabd Master will transform that into love, and light, and music.
So by all means, forgive me whole heartedly, to help yourself, and then do the work to find the real Shabd, the true Christ within you.
Yeah I found it. It’s great there is a destination after the two and a half hours and I’m at the destination awaiting on you all. I don’t have to start all over either. I think the Indians call it Sach Khand and it’s wonderful. I don’t want to waste another moment reading your BS, it’s so wonderful. Now go forgive God for creating someone like you.
Look, I can’t make you take your meds. But I do encourage it.
If you volunteer with Love, if you offer yourself because your heart is full, in any endeavor, that will be a fruitful endeavor, and every moment is filled with meaning. You could be cleaning toilets on a bus, as I did once, yes I’m bragging about that. I was so proud of how clean I kept that bus toilet for the Satsangis going to see Master. They didn’t have the money to pay for a flight. They had the desire to see Baba Ji. Keeping that toilet spotless had meaning for me. And I had Master’s company to keep me company. It was a miraculous experience.
But if I felt that someone had asked me to do this, that somehow “the organization” had some agency over me, of course, that wouldn’t work. And I can see from Anon’s perspective, and Brian Ji’s how these things felt to them. They see things differently.
They wanted to give up their individuality, their agency. But not their ego.
In Sant Mat you don’t give up your individuality. But you work hard to give up your ego…in stages: You leave all that to emerge into your true self, a soul, in the company of God. That can only happen in a sea of love and kindness, which is Sant Mat, and RSSB.
You can say there was nothing magical about a bus toilet. But it was magical to me. I was right there cleaning with Master!!
Your Mileage May Vary…
But as for what the organization asks, it asks NOTHING.
The issue is, what is it you really want? What are you asking for? Own it. And when you can’t get the tiny things, give that up for the big things.
Find that out first, take responsibility, take a step, then the entire creation moves to help you, including Master.
I wouldn’t volunteer for anything except to be a perfect Master on that path anymore. I don’t go to those meetings unless I’m giving them. I become so humble ( like you) that I don’t need seva. At least not for that Mafia organization.
I didn’t say it so go quote your Indian idols. I never said they made me do anything because they can’t. But why criticize some young person who hasn’t had the experience I have huh. That Master is no higher than you or me or this other anonymous person. He might be here for the movie stars but I’m the master for the least among you. Anyway my daddy can beat up your daddy without even using his fists. I think you’re diluted and you might be the one I choose to clean my toilet too.
Ron, I’m not criticizing anyone. You need to put your glasses on. I’m acknowledging Anon and Brian Ji’s experience and encouraging progress. They can’t do anything about RSSB, and complaining isn’t going to change anything. And it hasn’t helped anyone. Anon started with one list of complaints, now there are ten. And for Brian, it’s hundreds, no thousands of pages of complaint. It’s an addiction, a road to nowhere.
Their learning to live with a grudge that grows all on its own into a deep resentment, that cuts into the very fabric of understanding, compassion and our own persona.
So the only thing left for them is to get right with their own personal responsibility, own the grudge, it’s in them now, realize what is also in them, the positive power in them, and go within, where all the real good stuff is.
And, buddy, you too.
Why don’t you just get off this blog then. It’s here for the people who want to complain and all you do is complain about the complainers so you’re like second-hand. It’s not affected my meditation one bit if anything it’s helped clear the air. Don’t let his resentment eat at you and your meditation. I don’t even know why you read this blog if it’s so upsetting to you. But you seem like you like to be upset. I think you’re probably a closet gay or openly I don’t know you so I don’t know.
I can introduce you to Angelina Jolie’s brother if you’d like. You seem to miss everyone’s point completely except your own. And everyone else misses yours so no I am not an idiot and I do not need a master, after initiation no one does except idiots. Gurinder Singh Dhillon has the same boss I do.
Ron, you made this about yourself.
But don’t we all?
That’s what we are all working to get past, once we see it.
But it seems like we can’t help but making it about ourselves.
We live in a narcissistic age. But it’s only such an age because we are participating too.
Best wishes. Whatever your process is, when you put down the keyboard and start whatever you do to take your next step beyond “Me” and “Mine” and “I”. Best wishes, buddy.
Why do I say best wishes? Because I see the pain in you, and in me. And it is no different. And I see the hope that was once in you, that still burns in me. But it’s still in both of us.
One more response to my comments will be like cleaning my toilets for now but only for now.
Just as you say it’s here for the complainers. And since blame isn’t permitted in Sant Mat, I guess it makes sense that this is where angry people with a grudge would come.
Just own it.
I forgave you when I was a fetus, so that’s how good at forgiveness I really am, Ronald!
But there is no one to forgive in Sant Mat. It’s already been done.
So here I am with the complainers forgiving and encouraging.
It’s what I do.
It feels so light and refreshing, really, you should try it.
I’ve done nothing that needs forgiveness from you a whole.
I have two toilets so one more response to my comments will be like cleaning my toilets for now but only for now. And now has passed. Oh I’m just making s*** up man I’m not mad. I’m Jesus Christ Superstar. Well I had real children who were born at home but I didn’t eat the afterbirth. In fact that’s what you remind me of. After birth placenta and I think it’s gone to your brain.
This fool doesn’t know anything or the many ways I’ve done it. Some of us don’t have to try very hard we have a big stockpile from previous life of meditation. Gurinder was the one who told me they were giving him opium for his migraines. So yes medication helps when needed. He could give a f*** about you or your meditation. Sissy
I’ve been told I’m a great storyteller and writer so I’m sitting here perfectly calm and stirring up the hornet’s nest of religious fanatics. I’m working on Angelina Jolie’s biological clock right now and her biography.
I give Spence Tepper an Unsatisfactory mark for responding well to criticism and correction. Even his name reminds me of placenta. RFD . Religious fanatic deluxe. I hope he hands himself some empathy while he cleans my potty.
It’s difficult to explain what happens over time when we hold a grudge, and step away from personal responsibility. When we embrace anger instead of love. I don’t think I can explain adequately what that does to an individual’s thinking, psychology or emotions over years of time.
But what you write is a good example.
When you forgive others you begin up forgive yourself, you lay the groundwork to let all of that go. That’s letting go of baggage, even burning karma.
And when the identity is so tied up to holding that grudge, defending it against perceived attack, naturally all kinds of negative defensive reactions emerge when the topic comes up of letting these things go.
Ron, I must thank you for expressing yourself as you have.
But even seeing it isn’t enough. That’s why we return to Master and meditation. We cannot clean up our own issues and mental addictions alone. We need the help of a higher power.
Injury cannot heal injury.
That’s where Master comes in to help us.
Fudge you. Go adjust some numbers or something okay. Get off of my cloud. Go make it add up in your feeble mind and then ask for help from the dalai lama. Not everyone is an alcoholic.
You’re like some little worm that needs to have the last word like a little baby. It’s in the genes. I’ve saved you some space below. Knock yourself out and you know where to go. Well you’re the type that took Paradise and put up a parking lot. You’re the type that makes argumentative statements for the sake of your religion. While your perfect C of a master is laughing at you. That’s why I’m starting a new religion and ain’t no arguments allowed. It’s my way or the highway. And what else did you learn from that perfect C of a master. A divisive personality. I’ll ask for advice when I need another vice.
Gurinder Singh Dhillon is obviously a divisive personality much like Trump as has been pointed out. Tepperji is just a weak writer and very poor at expressing himself. So all I’m doing is criticizing his writing. Not his soul and not his person because I don’t know him. And I don’t want to.
Disagree. He’s very clear cut. People are either RSSB followers who believe he’s a perfect human being and god in human form and wont listen to anything else. Then theres everyone else with their own religious beliefs who dont believe hes any sort of saviour – and they believe the news/reporters/courts/legal system/executives who say he’s a multimillionaire fraud executive
Sometimes you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone, Ron.
Sadly, it is your way or the highway.
Everyone thinks, without question, their own thinking is perfect. It’s not anyone’s fault. It’s how we work. We are looking at other people, outwardly, not at ourselves, inwardly. It’s mind in action.
It will always be our way or the highway, even when we realize we have been wrong, and then try to make course corrections. Even when we submit all things to God, it’s always on our own terms.
The mind is an absolute tyrant that has monopolized every centimeter of space and every second of time in our consciousness.
But having a Master who is always their, liberation from this tyrant is only a matter of diligently following the instructions for meditation given to us with patience, punctuality, and persistence.
Divisive GSD, a C there . Yeah I keep telling you I did all that in my last life so why would I want to go backwards. I even told you who I was in my last life ; what is it about Sawan Singh that you don’t understand? Hopefully GSD will just die and not leave me as a teacher again. But just peacefully die. What’s wrong with that ? Not while living but from natural causes.
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Tearing down paradise again?
You think a tree museum of your opinions is the same as a living forest?
Ron, how many lifetimes do we have to go over the same material? Really?
The walking dead have forgotten they are dead. Again.
So yah, complete your degree and avoid having to reenroll a fourth time. Nothing to be proud of.
Return to sender, address unknown
No such number, no such zone🤣☠️😂
Die while dead
Flush twice, it’s a long way to RSSB
I think its obvious that most of the above commenters are westerners who can afford to separate RSSB and their personal lives. This is certainly not the case for Indians. The middle class who are into RSSB, are painfully intertwined with RSSB. Your entire life revolves not around god, but around a man in a turban with a white beard who is supposedly watching everything you do…
I think this form of bigotry actually comes from the west.
So I’m assuming you’re an Indian. Praps you need a western guru, and if you think I’m worthy here’s your new(ish) mantra:
“I am not (another) wet kipper.”
Two n a half a day please.
RSSB Gurus say there are no failures for Initiated Satsangis, even those who are the Exers on this site. The only catch is, Charan at least, guaranteed , at the worse, 4 more human lives, but none in lower species. As far as I’m concerned. 4 more lives of not my choosing g would be 4 more horrible nightmares. Gurinder doesn’t even guarantee protecting his initiates from transmigrating to lower species.
To any readers here who have researched enough teachings by Physicists, who are convinced there can never be ANY measure of TIME, or SPACE boundries, in the Non physical, PURE Spiritual Realms, as described as Heavens, in the Bible, than we who have asked Christ in to our hearts and lives, and have taken the Bible Teachings as Truth, this will be our last incarnation here in ANY material physical realm. It says in the Book of Revelations that those who believe Christ was crucified, and then was raised from the dead, will not reincarnate ever again.
That’s why Christ is “The same yesterday, today and forever.” No 4 lives for me! My sentence is over this time, when I check out. Like the Apostle Paul said,…..”when absent from the body, present with The Lord.”
One day I had a conversation with a orthodox protestant couple … it so happened that we came to speak about the messiah to come.
I told them in fact nothing has changed … there is a religion, the clergy, the devotees and the waiting for a messiah …they did not agree, as they were waiting for christ to return … I said that it made no difference as to what would happen if a man would come to their community presenting himself as christ
I asked them to think about what happen with such a man …they remained silent.. upon which I said well .. they will not hang him this time but will end in prison or an institution.
Then I ask them to turn the table an ask themselves what they would have done standing before the tribunal of pirate…
I can’t remember but probably their faces became palr
This is the huge issue. You seem to think ex initiates still have further human lives to continue their journey. They’re out! In this life! Let alone next lives! They probably have past karmas or sanskaras from this life which will keep them away in future lives – if they still even believe in reincarnation/karma etc. Its this weird way RSSB keeps ex people in – by taking a “deposit” in your next future lives. Leave it alone.
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