Criticism of Israel, a nation, is not antisemitism since Judaism is a religion

Without going into specifics, since I’m not abreast of the details of this incident, I agree heartily. No, criticism of Israel does NOT tantamount to antisemitism.
This is so obvious that it hardly bears saying. But somehow this nonsense, this vile halfwittery, has become a mainstream trope. I’ve seen otherwise sensible, intelligent, reasonable, decent people conflate, with a straight face, these two very different things. And remain impervious to reason when their error is clearly, irrefutable pointed out.
NO, CRITICIZING ISRAEL AND THE MURDEROUS BIBI AND IDF, AND INDEED THE LARGER ZIONIST PROJECT THAT HAS NOW PICKED UP SO MUCH MOMENTUM, DOES N-O-T EQUAL ANTISEMITISM.
AND NO, JEWS ARE NOT HOLY COWS. ALL RACISM IS BAD. BUT RACISM AGAINST THE BROWN OTHER IS NO LESS EVIL THAN RACISM AGAINST SEMITES.
That’s another piece of vile asshattery that has gone mainstream: supporters of genocide dressing up their own racism by playing the antisemitism card.
All racism is bad. Period. Not just antisemitism. The Israel apologist does not get a Get Out of Jail free card in terms of racism just because their great grandfather was victim to one of the most evil expressions of racism ever.
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Good of you to highlight this, Brian. This is plain common sense, fully entirely clear. Yet it’s somehow become a controversial matter to point out this obvious thing. And, depending on one’s specific circumstances, sometimes a matter of courage to say this obvious thing openly and loudly. Kudos to you for doing that, Brian. 👍

Targeting and killing people for their Jewish faith/heritage is the very definition of antisemitism. The far left’s selective sympathy is killing our credibility and the people of Gaza truly have no greater enemy on this side of the Atlantic.

@ Captain Obvious
>> The far left’s selective sympathy is killing our credibility and the people of Gaza truly have no greater enemy on this side of the Atlantic.<< Please do explain what makes you say, that the extreme left, is the greatest enemy of the people of Gaza

First, note “this side of the Atlantic” – Netanyahu is a ghoul and Hamas leaders hide abroad in comfort while Gazans are killed and starved. Major distinction.
Second, it is the far left who insisted US policy on the issue couldn’t get worse under Trump and actively protested and harangued Harris and Biden while in office. Which, fine! But it’s hard not to notice that these protests essentially disappeared once Trump was re-elected.
Almost like it was the point.
Now Netanyahu has the candidate he wanted in office and who has allowed aid blockades to Gazans for two months. Whatever you want to say about Biden he (eventually) ensured some aid was getting through.
But at least the keyboard warriors over here get to feel better about themselves and their moral clarity in a complicated world.
That help?

@ Captain Obvious
Thank you, what I understand is, that you do no appreciate Netanyahu, appreciate in some way Biden above Trump and sympathize with the fate of the people in Gaza, …the rest i fail to grasp
You are pointing at something that remains unseen for me.

“what I understand is, that you do no appreciate Netanyahu, appreciate in some way Biden above Trump and sympathize with the fate of the people in Gaza”
This is both incoherent and, I suspect, some serious cope from someone who should know better.

@Captain Obvious
What is obvious for you in your message need not to be for me ..it might be due to my lack of command of English and/or intellectual clarity.

It’s interesting how blame and hate get piled up. Fingers of blame get pointed all around, and so everyone blames each other.
But who is actually solving the problem?
The problem is that someone at some point thought it was OK to kill someone else. Of course their reasons all had to do with self-defense of one kind or another.
The solution, when you turn away from the hornets nest of blame and name-calling is very simple.
Thou Shalt Not Kill.
Just say no to tyrants and terrorists
So long as Palestinian leaders cannot take responsibility for brutal acts of terrorism, they are not qualified to represent the Palestinian people.
So long as Israeli leaders cannot take responsibility for brutal acts of tyranny, they are not qualified to represent the Israeli people.
Should we expect those of the above two groups to change or to develop anything close to peaceful attitudes and conciliation among equals?
Or will they just continue shouting blame at each other?
Palestinian terrorists want Israel gone. They have all sorts of history to excuse wanting Israel to simply disappear, not to live as equals.
And, unfortunately, Israeli leaders have their history too. When the Mufti of Palestine declared their support for Adolph Hitler, including support for the extinction of the Jews, and further said “no” to Churchill’s offer to help them if they were willing to make a place for Israel in exchange for Palestine’s political independence.
Let’s just say the two peoples didn’t get off to a good start.
And history has demonstrated that violence of any kind, whether military or terrorist, has not proven to be a sustainable solution.
Here is what peace will look like, one day. The two people will have their own nations, they will have their own sovereignty, they will actually do business together (two neighboring countries can hardly do otherwise), they will have forgiven and largely forgotten, they will teach their children that we are all brothers and sisters, and every variation imaginable, and that is all good. So long as we see ourselves in each other, and something greater than ourselves in each other, things will work out.
I suggest we find people with this attitude to begin with. Not an attitude that demands justice, because that isn’t going to work. In the name of justice all the leaders of both peoples would be in jail for life.
So, mercy and forgiveness will need to be the standard, the platform for this bridge of peace. For the sake of children who must grow up free, the old vendettas will need to remain silent, the old guard who were there will need to bite their tongue, and these hateful memories die with them, for the sake of the children seeing each other as each other and living in peace by nature, by the natural desire to be part of the same family, which they actually are, not force.
Such people exist among both peoples. Let’s find them and give them air time, give them support, hand control over to them.
What can powerful nations do when two family members are at each other’s throats?
They must separate those members for the time being, provide 1:1 interventions, and begin in tiny steps to build cooperation around small but important projects, all while protecting all concerned during this “construction” phase.
Israel and Palestine aren’t alone. They are members of a family, of a community whether they like it or not. But it is time for those wiser members to step in, with the support of the rest of the family.

Sincere apologies if it’s due to a language barrier, UM. Long story short, I believe the far left in the US particularly played into Trump and Netanyahu’s hands and value feeling good about themselves more than the well-being of Palestinians.

@ Capt. O.
No problem Captain, it just happens now and then.that i fail to grasp what is written ..not only with you

@ Spence
>> Palestinian terrorists want Israel gone. They have all sorts of history to excuse wanting Israel to simply disappear, not to live as equals.<< You forgot something Spence! let me do it for you. Israeli tyrants and settlers want the Palestinians gone. They have all sorts of history to excuse wanting the Palestinians to simply disappear, not to live as equals. That said! Personally I am never been interested in those in the very center of power, the leadership but more in the masses they represent. As I have written before the real problem lies in the mind and hearts of the common people, people that mostly will not even kill a mosquito, kind people .... that what keeps the fire burning is the religious believes the three Abrahamic religions have ...every time the pious followers of these religions bow their heads before their god and pray, they are working towards the end game, the Apocalypse. It is a self fulfilling prophecy and I do not see any power on earth able to prevent this to happen. The pious cannot give up their identification with their religious believes, doing so would be their social cultural death ...and ...as you know Spence ..humans like all sentient beings have an inborn drive to survive ..not only natural, but also cultural ....In Arlington you honor those that were willing to kill and be killed for abstract notions they identified with. The beginning of this story is to be found in the book of Genisis, that speaks of the "creation" of ONE god and how people have to related to him. People are fighten for the survival of THEIR God because without him they do not know how to live. Do not worry ..what I write is due to the coffee, Spence and ..my profound ignorance

@ Spence
Just a few more lines.
PLEASE, have some coffee and reflect for a while about all these powers that have arisen that feel themselves CALLED or ordained to …”fight for the rights of OTHERS”
Mind you most of the times without the knowledge and consent of those the fight for.
So there are those that fight for the right of the animals, the climate etc etc …but also those that fight for the rights of the Israelis and their cultural and religious heritage, the settlers the ortodoxy, and Hamas, that fights for the survival of the palestenians.
They all USE …USE ..USE ..these rights for their own purposes and these purposes are often if not always not the same as they SAY they are fighting for ..they are all for POWER.
Mahatma Ghandi did it too, in a particular clever way …he did send the UNARMED masses to stand up against the massive armed occupiers …he is niw known as the hero of pacifism but he was, in my opinion not at all a pacifist, he was a political strategist
These people use these so called rights as an stick to beat ….maybe you can but I am unable to see that many of the modern leadership in the world has any interest in religion at all …and …yes … i also believe that those fighting for the rights of animals, do hate them and those that fight for the climate want to destroy it.
Again if it sounds weird do not blame me but the coffee brand….hahaha

Dear Um, don’t be too hard on yourself, I think you pretty much nailed the meaning of Captain’s comments as well as any English speaker could!
Captain is suggesting, as have several others here, that the “far left” who protested Genocide Joe were more concerned about politics and harming the Democrats than anything approaching genuine care for the Palestinians.
This is of course absolutely mindless, idiotic and completely detached from truth and reality.
The facts are, many of those who protested Genocide Joe, the self awowed Zionist who has been paid far, far more than any other US politician by the Israel lobby, are actually Palestinian themselves, or have family out there, or are Muslim, or are just simply very compassionate people with deep empathy who think the slaughter of children is of more important than us party politics. Anyone actually familiar with the situation, as opposed to distanced and basing their views on ignorance, would know this.
On the contrary, folks like our Captain here and many others who clearly never have or will give the slightest shit about the slaughter of Palestinians, who never once thought about asking their Democratic candidates to stop slaughtering children, but are enraged when folks didn’t still vote for the “decent”, liberal choice, would have us believe they and their comments are the real “friends of Palestine”
What an absolute joke.
How about we let Palestinians decide who their own friends are, instead of you telling them must be friends with the guy slaughtering them for 14 months because the other guy’s worse.
I understand Dems live in a bubble of pure righteous delusion, totally disconnected from reality.
But it should be understood, absolutely NO actual friends of Palestine, including actual Palestinians, think Trump has been any worse
Actually, he’s clearly been ever so slightly better and actually showed some opposition to Israel unlike Zio Genocide Joe who completely rolled over.. But you need to actually care about and pay close attention to what is happening over there, not just mention it as an inconsequential side issue to trump’s election.
It’s really quite easy to understand, who really decides who are the “friends” of Palestine, Palestinians themselves, Muslims and the authentically compassionate, or anonymous folks like our Captain here who think the only purpose of Palestinian people is as pawns in US politics?
The level of self-entitlement, privilege and delusion is off the charts.
Anyone who thinks thar Zionist Genocide Joe was or would have been even a tiny fraction better for the Palestinians then Trump has drowned in Copium. If anything, Trump has actually tried to push back, even if unsuccessfully. Distortions like Genocide Joe letting more aid in is another canard, there is plenty on record about the various lies of Biden’s adminstration whilst they were enabling a genocide.
And all it takes is just paying the tiniest attention to the situation to see this is the case, and perhaps getting your head out of the ass of neo liberal and Zionist media like CNN, MSNBC etc, whose coverage of the genocide has been dire if not actually criminal.

If it walks like a Zionist, if it talks like a Zionist, but claims it’s not a Zionist
It’s a lying Zionist.
A Zionist claiming to understand compassion, empathy, and heaven forbid the true mystical experience of Oneness and connection?
Just an obscene joke.

@ Manjit
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Dear Um, don’t be too hard on yourself, I think you pretty much nailed the meaning of Captain’s comments as well as any English speaker could!
Captain is suggesting, as have several others here, that the “far left” who protested Genocide Joe were more concerned about politics and harming the Democrats than anything approaching genuine care for the Palestinians.
<< Manjit , I am sorry, but I honestly did not understand what he was writing and what you reffer to starting with "Captain is suggesting ...etc". His words and your words speak of an strategy of people, labeled as "far left", that I don't know nothing about. The suggestion is made that thwe protest of these people have made the problem for the people in Gaza worse. I simple do not see that link. I am not suggesting that the link is not there etc I am only stating that "I" do not see it and what i can't see how could I understand it. The late MCS used to say: "don't dabble in politics" he was right as far as I am concerned. It is beyond my understanding to figure out the finer workings of it.... i am not and was never much of a politic minded person. Now and then I listen to the debates of the political parties in what you call the House of commons and never have the feeling that they are interested in the welfare of the people they say to represent ..I perceive them as arm-wrestlers-with-words in a game of which the rules are only known to them

Hi Um …yes, I agree the political class appears detached and unconcerned by the collective good.
Re. This “far left” issue, I’ll try my best to summarise:
The US just had an election where neoliberal Dems lost to right wing Trump. Neoliberals are like right-wingers, but who pretend they are virtuous and “liberal”, IE. Not racist, care about the poor, sick etc, even though their actual actions suggest otherwise (case in point here, slaughter Palestinians whilst pretending you care about them and are their “friends” and it’s the other guy you need to worry about).
This was in no small part down to losing the votes of thousands of “left” leaning voters appaled at Genocide Joe’s 14 months of slaughter without even the slightest pushback towards Israel, instead faking internal reviews of Israel’s warcrimes so they could continue to support the genocide, etc etc
Neoliberal Dems who think Trump is Satan incarnated, and who couldn’t care less about the Palestinians if they tried, were and are still very angry at those “lefty” voters who couldn’t turn a blind eye to genocide. They seem to assume they are owed the vote of all Muslims, ethnic folk, people with some humanity etc, regardless of their 14 months of war crimes and genocide, because “the other guy is worse”, despite all objective evidence being to the contrary.
They then create this delusional fantasy world where this is Trump’s genocide and if only they voted Kamala/Dems the Palestinians would be in a better position now despite all evidence suggesting otherwise.
In summary, this whole issue is one of American exceptionalism, arrogance, entitlement, privilege and imperialism, as embodied within the “liberal” Democrats.

Indeed, a true post re antisemitism. It’s become almost blasphemous to say anything about Israel. Criticism of Israel has become the new expanded term for antisemitism. Recently Netanyahu has blamed Sir Keir Starmer, Emmanuel Macron and Mark Carney for fuelling antisemitism after two Israeli embassy workers were shot dead in Washington. The reality is that they – and many other leaders and people around the world – have spoken out condemning the plight of civilians, women and children in Gaza which is escalating due to withheld food and medical aid.
Europe and America have supported Israel since its inception. America, regardless of being republican or democrat governments have sent billions in military aid over the years contributing to Israel’s great success. It’s in the West’s interests as Israel is well placed to deter attacks from countries like Iran and perhaps deter wider wars.
Sadly, conflicts will always exist among people as long as there are divisions like religion and nationalism – both ways of contributing to full scale conflicts and divisions. Democratic politics should be a way to settle our squabbles but instead they themselves have become almost waring fractions – particularly when the system is tainted with personal agendas of religion or other beliefs – or just fuelled by individual greed and desire for power.
The problem is, we are not evolved enough to act intelligently toward one another and the world. We are still primitively ruled by self-protecting ego’s that can only think and act in terms of protecting the conditioned numerous beliefs, thoughts, views and opinions that we believe constitute ‘me’ that strives for security and continuance.

@ Manjit
My goodness that made was a complicated reading.
I had to read it twice, once in Dutch.
What Can I say?!
Well let me thank you for taking the trouble to explain it.
As I wrote I am not at all political minded and schooled to see clearly the intricacies of the political craft …what you write about politics, resembles the academic art critic discussing an master piece of this or that artist.
I am at best an uneducated consumer of art, politics and science ..that last is strictly not true, yet it is in my understanding so.
Afterall I am the son of a farmers-son … hahaha …sorry dad, may eternal peace be upon you.
In my understanding Manjit, all that ruled and have ruled in the past, be it organisations, religions, nations or whatever used the …Maffia deal …. you obey me. you work for me and I will protect you. Think it through ..there are hardly exceptions to be found in history.
So projection it on what is going on in the western world, what do I see?!
Since the last WW, there has been a growing decline of interest for and the welfare of the lower class, common people ..all attention and focus was on expanding the “head” over “the hands” ….education education and more education …AND ..by all political parties, left and right.
The common man has become a “burden” on society,.
Slowly this started to dawn upon them, that in the “new” society they had NO meaning and value and so they revolted and even went so far as thinking that there were dark forces at work behind the scene, the deep state etc etc.
To them I would say no you are wrong there are no dark forces at play but you, and what is dear to you, your welfare, was certainly NEGLECTED by the ruling classes and the government.
Than they, forming the masses, spit out the saviors, the snake oil sellers. with the simple solutions and worse of all the lack of training to govern.
Humas have globalized many things but the forgot to develop an “global narrative” so now the extremist, those at the ends of every GAUSS curve stand head on before one another and HAVE to fight and the poor, neglected common silent majority are PUSHED to take sides and in doing so are even losing more than they can imagine
The time of individual, regional, narratives is over ..that is painfull to accept but more painful will it be when people tru to make THEIR narrative survive, using tools and narratives that were good enough for their evolution for a short while but will prove disastrous in the future.
You see falling in love with someone, is enough to start a relationship and run it for a couple of years, most of the time some 7 years. Time enough to have the reality dawn upon them. Often disappointing and frustrating ..reason to divorce. BUT …there and then starts the marriage, in discovering the other for the first time and becoming interested in his or her welfare as a human being ..there if you like partners are given the change to respect themselves, honor their commitment and discover what love is or can be.
Politcian, humans to, prefer to fight, divorce instead of being at service of

@ Ron E.
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Europe and America have supported Israel since its inception. America, regardless of being republican or democrat governments have sent billions in military aid over the years contributing to Israel’s great success. It’s in the West’s interests as Israel is well placed to deter attacks from countries like Iran and perhaps deter wider wars.
<< Have you ever pondered about the possible psychological reasons behind the raise of the aggresive Islam? In the past I have proposed an possible answer .."The evil of wealth" I have stated that the possible questionable ways by which that wealth was accrued, was NOT the problem, nor the questionable ways that wealth was maintained and made to grow but the SUGGESTION that went with it that .... and here it comes ...I, we have that wealth and you will never have it ...AND .. without it, you can never live a human live to its fullness. Now think of the globalization of data and information through the media..what kind of impression was made for the whole world that of the superiority of the western culture in ..ALL ITS ASPECTS ....We are simply the best ..the west or america first !!! Maybe without intention, but it must have dawned upon the rest of the world that they from now on were doomed to be underclass, worth for nothing but to deliver labor, raw materials, consume products and in doing so keep the west alive and striving. What can these poor people do? Their climatological and geographical circumstances make it if not impossible or at unimaginable costs, possible to come even close to the standerds of living create in the MODERATE CLIMATE ZONES of the world. So they turned to their religion making themselves and others believe that THAT was far superior than anything else.

I agree with much of this, except where you write that the shooter didn’t “target the specific people” i.e., the 2 people he shot leaving a Jewish museum.
The fact that he didn’t personally know these people strongly implies the shooter’s actions were pure anti-Semitism. That is, the murder of 2 people for no other reason than that they were Jewish.
“It seems strange to call violent criticism of Israel “anti Semitism.” Wtf?
Again, I agree that criticism of the nation of Israel should not be labeled anti Semitism. But you’re saying that the most violent acts against random Jews can’t be termed anti-Semitism either? Where do you get this stuff?

sant64, I just read a news story about how the shooter was active in leftist politics in Chicago, I think it was, and became increasingly obsessed about the Gaza war. He was deeply concerned about the plight of Palestinians. There was no mention in the story that the shooter was anti-Jews. He was against the policies of the nation of Israel.
Think about it: if someone concerned about American policies, such as cutting food aid off to African countries that are now facing starvation, shot and killed two Americans leaving a United States cultural center, would it make sense to call that killer anti-Christian because the Americans were Christians? No. The killer was against the policies of the United States, which is mostly Christian.
Also, it’s really disturbing that a recent poll showed that about half of Israelis are fine with killing every person in Gaza cities occupied by Israeli forces. In a country founded on the horrors of the Holocaust, that’s astonishing. I’ve read several stories about how the media in Israel don’t even cover the plight of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. All the news is about the October 7 attack and how the remaining hostages need to be released. Israel really has lost its moral way, being excessively focused on itself, not on how cruel Israel is being to innocent Palestinians.

Hi Um
The secret formula to peace is to try to forget the past and carry on from a new foundation built upon basic principles.
If the past inspires you to treat all people as your equals, even your betters, to try to work with everyone to their mutual benefit, to forgive and forget and to help others to do so, and to be completely adaptable in order to maintain these basic principles then of course, that is a foundation for peace.
Blame has no place in the future. And the past is gone. So why give it so much power today?
A great poet once wrote that every inch on earth is a sepulchre (graveyard) so why shorten what is already a fleeting life?
Hope is the answer. And no hope accomplishes nothing.
How difficult is it to share resources? How difficult is it to help one another so both benefit? How difficult is it to build trust in small steps?
Every family learns these lessons. We must erase the notion of other. There are no Palestinians and no Israelis. These are mental concepts. There are just people living and trying to live. These concepts should never get in the way of helping, and where they have they must be disgarded. Where territory has corrupted thinking, “this is mine”, “this isn’t yours” that must be replaced. “This belongs to mother earth. Your children and my children are the children of life, and we must learn to honor our real shared parentage by sharing these things. There is enough for all to survive in peace, safety and happiness. Only concepts have interfered. Let’s disgard them. ”
Zen Buddhism is actually the answer. Because it erases the past and helps us see and accept the present. It’s just this. It’s just you and I now.

@ Spence
What I write are observations of ongoing psychological processes, processes that cannot be stopped …they have to run their course.
It makes little sense to talk to one that is addicted.. People are addicted to their identifications, their ethnic, political and religious narratives. They do not have the power to let go of them. That addictive power is so great that they are willing to kill and be killed
Gaza is the very truth of what I write.
As far as I know, I have never tried here to change anybody or anything for the better as I am neither Messiah, nor prophet, nor sage nor mystic, nor priest nor believer.
Everybody is free to figure out for him or herself what life is all abou.

Hines’ posturing.
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So many people pontificating on and on and on about the deaths of just two people recently killed. Their demise has been the leading ‘story’ on the mainstream news for about 24 hours, now! And they are not just on the news but are all over social media. And now they are being mentioned even here on Brian’s ‘Churchless’ blog.
And why? Why are these two humans so special that they should get such coverage?
Why? Well because they are Israelis! They were two staff members who worked at the Israeli Embassy. An Embassy that has promoted their own government’s criel and criminal, collective-punishment genocide FOR 20 MONTHS!
The main-stream, news media outlets — and the hasbara trolls on social media — want us to not pay attention to where this couple worked, and to instead focus upon them being ‘jewish’. Hmmmm? I wonder why?
The death toll across the Gaza Strip is now over 53,000 with untold numbers missing presumably dead after dying slow deaths crushed and bleeding under bombed houses and the fallen masonry. Right now hundreds of thousands are being deliberately starved to death. And this isn’t even mentioning the over 121,688 injured and maimed orphans, wives, mothers, sisters, grannies, grandads, husbands, fathers — humans. Humans who have been maimed for life: blinded, deformed, crippled, paralysed, damaged. And why? Because they have the ‘wrong’ race/religion: because they aren’t jewish.
For over twenty months this racist-motivated genocide has been going on. And it’s all been armed, supported and paid-for by America with American’s tax dollars. Yet Brian Hines said NOTHING on ‘Church of the Churchless’ since Nov 2023 that I could see (I just searched).
He pontificated at the beginning of the vengeful, illegal, collective-punishment onslaught against the Palestinians 20 months ago by SUPPORTING the Israeli’s propaganda and calling this onslaught against an imprisoned defenceless population a “war”. And he tacitly promoted their non-existent, illegal occupier claim to a “right-of-self-defence”. He called it “retaliation”!
Now 2-years into the genocide, Mr. Hines wants to present himself as someone who “supports the cause [of] freedom for Palestinians from the oppression of Israel”.
Q. And why has he suddenly decided to speak up and mention this previously silent “support”?
A. BECAUSE TWO ISRAELI JEWS WERE SHOT.
Brian was silent on ‘Church of the Churchless’ when over 53,000 Palestinians — mainly women and children — for 20 months were being cruelly mass-murdered. But a mere two Israeli jews are shot dead, and he IMMEDIATELY puts ‘pen-to-paper’.
SUMMARY:
Question: How many hundreds of thousands of maimed and murdered humans does it take to get Brian Hines to discuss the genocide in occupied Palestine?
Answer: two Israelis.

Hi Um
Yes of course.
If you feel pointing to a black rock and explaining that it is black, that may be helpful to someone, so please proceed. Maybe someone was confused on that point.
And there are certainly rocks of different colors also, should you care to see them.
I only point out that these rocks, properly reshaped, have become in times past the stones that made great roads that have helped many live better lives.
If you have no purpose then progress means nothing.
But I suspect that, as our Master taught, having the river flow within the banks, and helping run great mills is not the same as having the river overrun the banks wreaking havoc and distruction.
I don’t see the two as the same at all.
One is the product of great effort in coordination with nature.
The other is absence of mind and purpose.

@ Spence
If you have the power to end the war and the suffering in Gaza … by my guest, be the guest of humanity

Really, you are completely wrong about when I started criticizing Israeli policies toward the Gaza war. Here’s links to some of the blog posts I’ve written on this subject. They began soon after Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, 2023. I’ve listed them in chronological order. I haven’t included some recent posts, since you falsely claimed that I haven’t written about the plight of Palestinians until recently. I accept your apology for being wrong about me..
October 2023 https://churchofthechurchless.com/2023/10/religion-plays-a-large-role-in-the-horrible-hamas-israel-war
October 2023 https://hinessight.blogs.com/salempoliticalsnark/2023/10/israel-is-squandering-its-moral-authority-with-attack-on-refugee-camp
November 2023 https://hinessight.blogs.com/hinessight/2023/11/our-job-is-to-empathize-with-both-israelis-and-palestinians
March 2024 https://hinessight.blogs.com/salempoliticalsnark/2024/03/israel-is-killing-innocent-people-in-gaza-biden-is-letting-this-happen
March 2024 https://hinessight.blogs.com/salempoliticalsnark/2024/03/as-people-die-of-starvation-in-gaza-israel-ignores-the-famine

@ and Spence
before I forget …I .. I indeed have no idea about the purpose of anything, in that sense I am agnostic or if you please, ignorant or nihilist or whatever suits you.
I see the crow, but I have the slightest idea what he is doing here, or why he is and does what he is and does ..daily I am observing the black wonder in its flight.
I also have come to know many an narrative, explaining to the listener what life was all about.
I also have done my best to own these narratives and live by it
Until I found out that it were narratives and nothing but narratives, of OTHERS, that I had my head, mind and soul, filled with ..HEARSAY …and that I had not been able to verify any of these narratives, not as a whole nor in detail.
So, I am not making any statement about these narratives, not at all, I never did, they have proven to be useless for me, so now I am in the process of letting go without saying or suggesting to anybody that it is worthwhile to do the same.
When in training, using a scenery of nature, I heard my self saying ..I am like the dessert, whatever falls on me, is meant to die …hahaha …to calm the other participants, those of the moving reeds along the banks of the river characters, ..I said … but You should see what happens to the dessert when it rains.

Poor Manjit.
Manjit can’t admit they helped throw the presidential election to Netanyahu’s preferred candidate, who has allowed blocked aid to Gaza for months and is voicing support for turning Gaza into Mar A Lago East.
I agree Biden needed to do more to rein in Israel. It’s a shitty choice in a binary system.
Saying Trump is better for them is just cope. And not to mention Manjit, unless they are actually a Republican, enabled all the other awful non-Gaza things that happened and are happening under Trump. Again – almost if by design.
Lastly Brian… he just felt so deeply about Palestine that he made an effort to find some random people likely to be Jewish and murdered them in the street. He didn’t join Hamas or otherwise put his own life on the line to go fight for his cause. He just wanted to kill some Jewish people to feel better about himself. That’s the definition of anti-Semitism. Replace “Palestine” with “Israel” and “Jewish” with “Muslim” and it would be rightfully called anti-Islamic terrorism.

None of the posts you just listed except the first one (which I mentioned and criticised) were on ’Churchless’. Exactly as I wrote.
So not only is the criticism of you justified and accurate but now you add to it with denial.

@really dude it’s the same blogger, you’re technically correct but functionally wrong. And here Brian is equivocating whether targeting a specific ethnic or religious group for murder, thousands of miles from any battle lines, is more excusable because politics really made the killer mad.

You are not helpless against this assault on humanity. How to make this happen?
As you go to sleep imagine that Netanyahoo is out of office. Make it a explosion of happiness when you hear a friend tell you the news. Then sleep in this feeling. Continue this every night if you like or let it go.
BTW you can use this tech to visit the worlds RSSB gurus promised you.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/24/israeli-airstrike-kills-nine-of-gaza-doctors-10-children-reports-say
There really are no words.

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Cpt.Obvious seems to believe that he is a mind-reader who can know other’s thoughts and motivations. [He thinks he knows exactly how and why Elias Rodriguez chose and targeted the two people he shot and precisely why.]
That is delusional.
Plus, he defends Brian for neither comprehending nor responding accuratelt to what I actually wrote.
Whatever…
The ongoing mass-murder and mutilations of over a lakh of Palestinians and the destruction and ethnic-cleansing of Gaza doesn’t appear to feature in either of their replies to me?
I think that is revealing.
They appear to be more concerned with other, lesser, trivial concerns (e.g. their own egos) than with the mass-murder, maiming PLUS the imminent slow and painful deaths from deliberate starvation by Israelis, of civilians (predominantly of children) OCCURRING NOW!

@really the murder of innocent Jewish people in DC has literally zero to do with the actual Gaza situation aside from the entitlement of the killer. And the repeated insistence that it does is revealing.

@ Captain Obvious
What does it matters whether it does or not?
Most people in the world are killed, murdered or however you want to label it, without their consent and often without their knowledge. …they are simple loosing what is the most precious gift.

Capt Oblivious is now deceiving.
He is showing he now doesn’t care to discuss the horrendous extent of the 20-month mass-murder crime being committed by Israel with American, German, UK, French tax-dollars. Why? Only he knows but it appears to be because he thinks two jewish people were killed in Washington. (In reality one was a Christian zionist). So now he can show his outrage about supposed ‘anti-semitism’. The western disregard of and/or lack of importance given to non-jewish lives in the M.E.is actually a good thing to finally be given some attention to. So thanks Brian, Spence and the Captain for demonstrating it.

Really
All life is sacred.
But as Dr. King said
“Darkness cannot end darkness.
Only light can do that.
Hate cannot end hate
Only love can do that.”
We can all agree that what has happened is terrible.
No one denies it.
But what to do about it?
If you want to take attention from the light, from any effort to solve this with respect to all lives, then even if your facts are correct, it solves nothing and detracts from any solution
At some point finger pointing simply doesn’t help and wastes time.
So, presuming we agree with your facts, what is your answer?
Or are you still just looking for whom to blame?
I think we should try to protect all life in any way that respects everyone’s sovereign and human rights.
If you actually agree with this,, what is your idea for just what things will look like when that answer has been implemented, and what are the reasonable and realistic steps to get there?
If you don’t agree with the basic premises of respect for all life and everyone’s human rights, how can your complaint lead to anything helpful?
We already agree with your information.
But is it complete? A single new fact can reverse any conclusion.
And when it is complete, what is the answer going to look like 50 years from now?
And if you know the answer is the same no matter the details, what else should we be focusing on?
If it’s so important to you why are you avoiding the solution? I would think if this really were something dear to you progress towards the solution as soon as possible would be your first priority.

Oh @really.
I’ve sat here and said Netanyahu is a ghoul who is perpetuating mass suffering in Gaza. I do not excuse murder. That’s you.

Oh dear Captain Obvious.
I made a couple of points, and in your response you merely underscore and demonstrate the truth that, a) you live under the bizarre, absurd & utterly unevidenced illusion that Genocide Joe and his cohorts would have been any better than Trump despite all objective evidence; 14 months of genocide, until the very last day of being in office (even after losing the election), the self avowed Zionist Genocide Joe, who has been paid more by the Israeli lobby than any other US politician in history and his murderous team of ghouls were falling over themselves to send billions of US tax payer money and bombs to slaughter infants in their thousands, blocking every single attempt by the the international community (the UN) to bring an end to this genocide etc, The absurdity & irony of you mentioning copium in your posts is noted. And b) due to your inbred delusion of American exceptionalism, arrogance, superiority, privilege, entitlement and ignore, you simply cannot see the plight of the Palestinians as anything other than a secondary issue to US politics. Thanks for proving that with your inane response.
Secondly, let’s go back to your first anonymous interjection and post here: “Targeting and killing people for their Jewish faith/heritage is the very definition of antisemitism. ”
Really? has already pointed out the lie in your question. One of the murdered people was a CHRISTIAN ZIONIST. So what makes you think he targeted them based on their faith? Is this another one of your fantasy delusions, wishful thinking type claims?
So let’s repeat, in objective reality, 2 Zionist pro-Israeli lobbyists were murdered at an event for pro-Israeli “diplomats”, an event who’s main purpose is to apply pressure on US political parties to uphold, perpetuate, arm and finance the genocide and ethic cleansing of Palestinians. And, AGAIN, one of them wasn’t even Jewish. Captain’s entire chain of arguments here have been based on the lie both of these folks were just innocent Jewish folks going about their everyday business.
Pay attention to the sleight of hands folks.
Captain Obvious, or by now is it becoming Captain Obviously Clueless, also mentions in this thread: ” I do not excuse murder.”
But earlier wrote to me: “I agree Biden needed to do more to rein in Israel. It’s a shitty choice in a binary system.”.
You do not excuse murder, but you vote for those committing it for 14 months because you only have a “shitty choice in a binary system”?
Say it after me, M O R A L C O W A R D I C E.
And that’s precisely the point – WE DO HAVE A CHOICE. Don’t perpetuate and validate a system that only gives you 2 choices, slaughter Palestinians and admit it, or slaughter Palestinians and pretend we have some mild concerns about it. DON’T BE A MORAL COWARD. You know, precisely what those “leftys” did. Perhaps next time the Dems, or whatever actual opposition party may emerge, may actual listen to and represent the electorate, instead of billionaire Zionists. If the system is broken, replace it. Don’t wring your hands and perpetuate it, and say genocide is just an unfortunate by-product of it.
Dear Spence – thanks for being a spokesperson for Netanyahu’s talking points here. It’s good to have a voice for him, so we can tear about his ugly Zionist lies, manipulations and distortions designed for absolutely no other purpose other than to justify the colonisation, genocide and ethic cleansing of indigenous people on their own land. You here parrot Netanyahu’s talking point/lie “When the Mufti of Palestine declared their support for Adolph Hitler, including support for the extinction of the Jews, and further said “no” to Churchill’s offer to help them if they were willing to make a place for Israel in exchange for Palestine’s political independence.”.
Well, here’s a response from Jewish Holocaust experts, historians and politicians to this meeting:
“Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Wednesday on Netanyahu’s remarks: “Of course Hajj Amin al-Husseini did not invent’ the Final Solution to the Jewish question’. History clearly shows that Hitler initiated it. Hajj Amin al-Husseini joined him.” He added that “the jihadist movements today are encouraging anti-Semitism and lean on known Nazi heritage.”
Opposition leader Isaac Herzog called Netanyahu’s remarks “distortion of history” on his Facebook page.”
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4714313,00.html
You then keep asking what folks should do, with the bizarre suggestion justice should never be sought and that “balanced” hand wringing without ever being critical of genocidal monsters, even WHILST they’re slaughtering infants in their thousands should ever be done. Being critical of Palestinian parents whilst their children are being slaughtered, in their thousands, is absolutely fine though. Balance, right!
Well, the truth is very few of us have any power; All we can do is BE LOUD, PROUD and VOCAL of our criticicisms of the Genocidal ethno-state Israel, our politicians and media. Be VOCAL about it everywhere and anywhere. Protest. Sanction. Contact your local political reps, let them know your disgust. DO NOT VOTE for parties which enable and perpetuate genocide, even if there’s only a “binary choice. Complicity should never be a choice, unless for the moral coward.
Scream, shout and rave online and in real life until people start paying attention to the horrors OUR TAX PAYER MONEY is causing. This will shift the discourse, shift the culture, shift the political landscape.
It’s happening right now. Zionist hasbara has been dealt, imo and in my prayers, a fatal death blow by this last 20 months of mask-off Western Imperialism, colonialism, barbarity, genocide and ethic cleansing. This is no small part due to the dominance over western mass media by Zionists strongly waning because of the truth coming out on social media. CNN & BBC may repeatedly tell us Israel is the most “moral army in the world”, but the 20 months of tens of thousands of babies and children being slaughtered on camera PROVES otherwise to ANY and ALL DECENT folks with even a morsel of decency and humanity in their souls.
To Sant64 – Going into full “I believe in Rebazar Tarzs” mode, you mentioned genocide in South Africa a few days ago. The suggestion is so absurd and ridiculous, I didn’t address it at the time. But here’s a breakdown of the evidence Trump provided in support of this claim:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9vxve994ro
Lesson: Don’t believe ANYTHING (not everything ANY thing) the moron Trump and the racist moron Musk tell you. Musk is such a moron he’ll suck the phallus and bend the knee towards Netanyahu, and spread the lie there’s a genocide of white people going on the heart of Africa just to distract from the REAL horrors his buddy Trump is engaged in.
Re Really?’s message towards Brian. I get it, and he does have a point. From day one Brian HAS parroted western colonial talking points. But it’s hard to blame him, he is fully indoctrinated by the twin towers of American exceptionalism, since birth, and his uncritical and unquestioning acceptance of Zionist dogma via mainstream media like CNN, MSNBC etc He really is, like the vast majority of Americans, COMPLETELY ignorant of global politics, or at least the reality of them. I find it hard to be too critical of him because of this, I suspect if he were more educated and informed, he would perhaps be more critical of the colonialist Zionist project.
The subtle point here is, the VOICE of the Palestinians ALWAYS seems to need to be MEDIATED via a Jewish person. Whether it’s at the Oscars or on the News or on Podcasts or wherever, the western mind appears to only listen to the Palestinian pov when a Jewish person is holding their hand.
Here I would like to state my DEEP, deep love, admiration, respect etc towards the MANY THOUSANDS of brave, courageous, principled Jewish folks who have been protesting (and getting arrested) and raising their voice, and holding the hands of Palestinians who the western world would never listen to otherwise, etc.
My deepest and sincerest respect and love towards those folks. Beautiful human beings.
Finally, I remember reading Malcolm X’s biography years ago. There was a line it that stuck in my head, that I pondered over, but never could make sense of it. The past 20 months have clearly proven to me the depth and profundity of Malcolm X’s words here. It’s been most eye opening, and the Dems who didn’t and couldn’t care less about the slaughter of tens of thousands of Palestinians by their elected leaders for 14 months, but readily pour scorn on those who’s conscience and conscious prevented them from voting for genocidal monsters, is SUBLIME evidence for it, for those who have the clarity of thought and mind to see it:
““The White liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the Black man. Let me first explain what I mean by this White liberal. In America there’s no such thing as Democrats and Republicans anymore. That’s antiquated. In America you have liberals and conservatives. This is what the American political structure boils down to among Whites. The only people who are still living in the past and thinks in terms of “I’m a Democrat” or “I’m a Republican” is the American Negro. He’s the one who runs around bragging about party affiliation and he’s the one who sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican, but White people in America are divided into two groups, liberals and Republicans…or rather, liberals and conservatives. And when you find White people vote in the political picture, they’re not divided in terms of Democrats and Republicans, they’re divided consistently as conservatives and as liberal. The Democrats who are conservative vote with Republicans who are conservative. Democrats who are liberals vote with Republicans who are liberals. You find this in Washington, DC. Now the White liberals aren’t White people who are for independence, who are liberal, who are moral, who are ethical in their thinking, they are just a faction of White people who are jockeying for power the same as the White conservatives are a faction of White people who are jockeying for power. Now they are fighting each other for booty, for power, for prestige and the one who is the football in the game is the Negro. Twenty million Black people in this country are a political football, a political pawn an economic football, an economic pawn, a social football, a social pawn…””

“The marked change in tone this past week from leaders in the UK and EU is a clear break from the pabulum of “concerns” and reiterations of Israel’s right to defend itself. Now the rhetoric is that Israel’s actions are “morally unjustifiable” and “wholly disproportionate”, and the threats of its leaders “abhorrent”. Some of this is future-proofing. The war has amounted to genocide and ethnic cleansing in ways that are increasingly undeniable, indefensible and unspinnable. Some had a good go at it for a year and a half, but now cannot stand at a lectern or sit at a dinner table and argue that, yes, actually, there is an argument for killing 100 people a day, as was the case last week. Or that Israel has any plan other than what its leaders have consistently declared to be one of displacement and settlement. Long gone is the argument that this is simply about wiping out Hamas…But there is a disconnect between condemnation and outrage, and what happens on the ground. When it comes to Israel, the levers of international censure are broken. Throughout the war, international organisations, humanitarian missions and courts of justice have been rendered powerless by their inability to translate their findings into action. Words alone mean nothing. They simply bounce off Israel’s iron dome of impunity. Every day, the world wakes up and is confronted with an Israeli leadership that violates every law of morality and logic. Victims are aggressors, humanitarians are biased, an army that kills unarmed medics is the most moral army in the world. Up is down.
The shift feels like a breakthrough only in comparison to what came before. For so long, the act of calling what is happening in Gaza by its name has been traduced, even criminalised. There are people sitting in detention for the charge of describing reality. If anything, the past year and a half has seen a series of breakthroughs that signified nothing; historic protests, a sea change in global public opinion, a tussle at the heart of western political, legal and academic institutions over the right to protest against an unfolding genocide. Palestine, once a marginal issue, has become a mainstream one that lies at the heart of western politics and discourse. And yet, as long as governments with leverage over Israel refused to act, none of that saved a single life.
…Standing by as a population starves, watching lives ebb away in plain sight, seeing the ribs and hollowed eye sockets of lethargic children, governments are tarred with the stain of complicity. To deprive people of food, to have such power over them, is not a military campaign of strategic goals involving regrettable collateral damage – it is the creation of a ghetto of mass punishment. A defining chapter of history is being written. The sponsors of this act are clearly identifiable, emphatically supportive, and yet now seem thrown off by the position they find themselves in.
If this new attitude taken by western leaders is designed to fend off a reckoning, then it’s too little, too late: the record has already been taken. If it is to deter Israel from following through on its plans of scorching the conditions for life, forcing people to leave, and starving and killing those who remain, then they are facing down a juggernaut using little more than press releases. The gulf between Israel’s actions and the world’s reaction is still too wide to be proportional. ”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/26/israel-gaza-war-turning-point-uk-eu-changed
I have no idea what this delusional lefty is on about! Is she trying to say Biden’s or Kier Starmer’s, both of whom are on record claiming to be proud and unshakable Zionists “without qualification”:
https://youtu.be/86Nrv5izaTs?si=RMoXTbw5gtjkwBuF
https://youtu.be/DZgNBXIZ-OU?si=9BJaMDtqMH6zTs2O
https://www.ottawajewishbulletin.com/jewish-world/keir-starmer-elected-leader-of-british-labour-party
..Measly and weasly comments to their electorate pretending to admonish Netanyahu even whilst falling over themselves to send tax payer money and bombs to slaughter children every single day for 20 months and blocking every single attempt by the international community to stop the massacre is not enough?
What the hell is this delusional woman on about, only just today, just 20 months into this barbaric genocide, the German Chancellor told Netanyahu to “not go too far”!
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/22epqm4ez
What else can we hope and expect from our leaders, whilst they send billions of our tax payer money and bombs to slaughter infants in their tens of thousands for years on end!
So unreasonable these wacky leftys, no comprehension of real politik!

I know there are a lot of Americans here suffer from ignorance and attention deficit disorder. Also other, presumably quite elderly folks, from elsewhere in the world who who mainstream media like BBC or Sky News as if they were independent and fair media as opposed to outlets of Zionist propaganda, who believe folks like Biden and Starmer are essentially decent folks, avuncular uncle Joe type characters, who have been caught up unawares and against their wishes in a geopolitical situation they have no control over, let alone war crime levels of complicity. This is despite all of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Presumably this is in no small part to them getting ALL their news from mainstream Zionist media. Ignorance, willful or otherwise.
So I’ll try to make it as simple as I can. It will only take 3 minutes to understand how delusional and brainwashed this view is. If you have the integrity, decency and courage to challenge your indoctrinated minds, try paying attention for just 3 minutes:
https://youtu.be/86Nrv5izaTs?si=nNCx8cvQFf-nkvEw
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
You are seriously delusional if you’re still adding greed + racism + corruption + colonialism + slaughter and getting Saint.
You need help.

Here is a 40 odd hour podcast on the history of Palestine and the colonialist Zionist project going back to the 19th century.
It is absolutely brilliant and far more sympathetic than it should be towards the colonialist settlers imo. But still the narrator’s compassion and complete balance and objectivity shines through and I doubt anyone except extremists would even question that. Highly recommended.
I think there is 7 odd parts, first 3 linked below and a link to the homepage I think. You may need to dig around to find all episodes iirc.
https://youtu.be/G8ljzfkkIcc?si=MUoXk_aCTOhHUxul
https://youtu.be/NLYLZUeRaJs?si=7Ue3oAxIQVJo-6Nh
https://youtu.be/zlwcxX33R3g?si=s3zXhQajobz-EX69
https://www.martyrmade.com/featured-podcasts/fear-loathing-in-the-new-jerusalem

They aren’t going to watch that, Manjit.
Well done for trying, but… c’mon. Brian Heinous, Cpl. Oblivious, Spence Tepid and most ‘westerners’ are too emotionally invested in the decades of indoctrination that we’ve all been subjected to by the main-stream media and by Hollyweird film industry for our entire lives, to be open (or even interested) to that kind of truth-telling.
Cpl. Oblivious and Mr. Tepid in particular, quite openly express sentiments showing they operate from the assumption that jewish lives matter more. Brian’s belief in that premise, though equally manifest, appears to be subliminal.
I suspect they all voted for one of the two ‘genocide’ candidates (‘Kid-killer’ Kamala or ‘trust-me’ Trump).

So Manjit what are you doing to move past the two party system? Are you organizing, raising money, and doing the hard work that would need to be done to achieve something no one has done in 160+ years — put a third party in actual power?
Or are you putting people of color, LGBTQ+ people, immigrants, and yes Gazans in more danger to satisfy your own sense of moral purity?
And btw you and @really actively harm your cause every time you equate protest (or even legitimate combat) with the murder of noncombatants. It’s not antisemitic to kill someone just because the killer THOUGHT they were Jewish but turned out only one was? By your own logic Netanyahu has the right to kill every Gazan because he’s big mad at its violent ruling party.
The left will be much better off when you throw your lot in with Trump and the fascists like you so clearly want to.

@ Captain Obious
It is obvious that Isaeli and jews are humans in the first place.
Humans are able to hate and do hate.
Some of these forms of hatred are labeled … like anti-semitism
Do Israeli’s and Jews hate too?
Have they forms of hatred that equal anti semitisme?

@ Caoptain Obvious
Is the ongoing taunting of random innocent people [Farmers] en making their lives humanly unbearable, so that they ultimately react violently and revolt and then labeling them as a “danger” against one has the legal right and duty to defend oneselve by all manners, not the same as killing two random, members of that society?

Dear Captain Oblivious,
I’m not from the United States so your questions are irrelevant.
Re. “equating protest with the murder of non combatants”, where precisely have I or indeed anyone else done that?
And as Really? has already asked you, how do you “KNOW” exactly what the attacker “thought”? Again and again you presume we must all accept your wishful and delusional fantasies and mind reading as fact.
The facts are they are the political wing of the world’s greatest terror organ, the Israeli government, and one wasn’t even Jewish. Yet here you are mind-reading the motivations of this attacker.
And let me please remind you my tax payer money did not fund this lone attacker who killed 2 Zionists from the political wing that causes PRECISELY the issues in your “binary choice” between genocide and genocide, as my government and yours kill tens of thousands of children, dozens every single day WITH my tax payer money.
Your entire argument is based on mindless mistruthes and American arrogance.

Captain America(n Exceptionalism),
“Or are you putting people of color, LGBTQ+ people, immigrants, and yes Gazans in more danger to satisfy your own sense of moral purity?”
Here you are again telling us what’s Palestinians, People of colour etc really want and need
All whilst completely ignoring what Palestinians and “people of colour” like Malcolm X etc are actually saying.
I’m sure they’ll be touched by your condescending concern for their welfare.
Well, just as long as they vote for the team who’s been slaughtering their family members for 12 months!
Utterly absurd.

@manjit @really the man said out loud why he killed them. “Free Palestine!” to noncombatants who he targeted at a Jewish event. He certainly didn’t have the guts to join Hamas and shoot at people who could shoot back. Targeting people because of their perceived faith or affiliations. Textbook bigotry in any country, US or not.

This Captain fella is so far up their own American Asseceptionalism they were unable to pick up I’m not an American citizen despite numerous clues in my comments.
They simply cannot envisage a reality comprised of non Americans or not obsessed by the farcical two party system, or by Trump, then asks what I’ve done to change it, despite his entire raison d’etre here being that some “leftys” voted for non genocidal Zionist candidates 3rd party candidates, like Stein.
The farcical nature of this discussion and Captain’s thoroughly confused and incoherent position should be transparent.

@Cspt the man killed a non Jewish person at a political event where they put pressure on US political parties to continue their unqualified support of the massacre of children every single day for almost 2 years.
That is facts.
One could draw parallels with Israeli’s illegal assassination of numerous members from the political wing of Hamas. You can’t, however, draw any parallels whatsoever to the daily slaughter of dozens of infants for almost 2 years with it. Not even close, and the fact you’ve only come here to provide a false narrative as to the attacker’s motives, literally excusing Biden of the murder of thousands of Palestinians and saying he’s still worthy of a vote, and to lament the death of 2 adult members of the political wing of the most murderous and barbarous terrorist group on the planet speaks absolutely volumes.
Your imagination is of no interest to me, and the mind reading skills of somebody who couldn’t even tell I wasn’t from the US despite numerous clues isn’t really worthy of anything other than ridicule and scorn.
Welcome to ChurchoftheChurchless!

Here’s something to ponder: What if Trump were allowed to win in 2020; would there’ve been less of a chance of that Hamas attack on Israel?
I think the answer is yes.
The question applied to Russia/Ukraine: Would it have been less likely for Putin to invade Ukraine had Trump been president?
On that, I know the answer is yes, given Trump’s anti-neocon stance.
You may disagree with that. But I think it will be hard to argue that America’s enemies didn’t take notice that the Commander in Chief was senile, thus a time to strike.
And our enemies weren’t wrong, for Biden took a wishy-washy approach to Gaza. With Russia, Biden’s strategy was similarly feckless, and also insanely reckless: OKing missiles sent deep into Russia. That was a flirtation with WWIII, and thank God Trump stopped it when he returned to office.
“Oh, but Trump’s an authoritarian”! You can use that term, but ask yourself how Biden’s dithering and aimless approach compares to a strong leader of the free world who actually works for peace and gets things done, rather than — and this is truly incredible, and sad, and outrageous — a leader of the free world who had no idea what was going on, who had dementia and who was dying of cancer, and who was a puppet of unseen faces in the West Wing.
I don’t care. You can take your whole bundle of criticisms of Trump, and even if every one of them is true, they don’t hold a candle to the harm Joe Biden did to this country and the world. Not always directly, but by virtue of holding the highest political office in the world and being completely unfit for the job, thus making America as well as countless other countries, immeasurably worse off.
That is what war does. That’s why the world needs a leader who can prevent wars and end wars. Joe Biden was the opposite of such a leader. Donald Trump, for all his imperfections, is precisely an anti-war leader. It’s the most important quality a world leader can have.

@sant64 you do know Russia launched its biggest drone attack on Ukraine since the invasion in the past few days?
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russian-drone-fragments-set-kyiv-apartment-building-ablaze-official-says-2025-05-24/
The only way Trump has been anti-war is by discouraging Ukraine’s efforts to defend itself – and yes, do onto Russia as it has done onto you. Fewer people died when Neville Chamberlain appeased the Nazis, but it’s only a path to a stronger and more dangerous Russia.
Why is it, when given the opportunity Trump sides with bullies, invaders and dictators? Only he can an$wer that.
But @sant kudos for being real about your Trumpism, unlike Sanjit who cheers Trump on from abroad but doesn’t have the guts to say what he really thinks.

Really?: “They aren’t going to watch that, Manjit.
Well done for trying, but… c’mon. ”
Ah, seems you nailed it.
But, to be fair, having posted here for nearly 25 odd years, it is exceptionally rare for certain folks to acknowledge their mistakes, errors in cognition, ignorance etc when it is pointed out to them.
Integrity, honesty and intellectual decency really isn’t a thing here in my experience.
I just go through the motions, in case stumbles across a moment of clarity and honesty. I keep waiting!
Captain: “unlike Sanjit who cheers Trump on from abroad but doesn’t have the guts to say what he really thinks.”
Your levels of delusional American Exceptionalism, inability to comprehend simple arguments, and lack of insight into what people “really think” is so off the charts and in inverse relationship to your actual comprehension skills and what you imagine you understand that it’s genuinely quite sweet to witness! Thanks for the laughs!

Here we have Sant64 fantasising a reality where with Trump in power from 2020 there would have been no genocide in Gaza.
On the other hand we have Captain Mind Reader and others who fantasise a reality where if Kid Killer Kamala won in 2024, the Genocide in Gaza would magically cease.
Yet, back on planet earth, under both these candidates, the genocide rages/d unabated.
The fantasies and delusions the mind can conjour up to avoid reality and one’s complicity in horrors are breathtakingly spectacular.
The Cup of Copium overfloweth!
Cheers and bottoms up! 🍻

There are almost no Semites in Israel
To hide this, DNA testing is forbidden
U Need permission fromm a judge to do this
Palestiniers are mostly SEMITEs
during the ages forced to convert
LET S CHECK 4 DJENGIS SEED
NET first
the world from jahweh_lusifer . ; upside down

Dear 9, genetic testing shows the majority of Palestinians are genetically related to the ancient Levantines, from before the advent of Biblical religions. You are right in your observations as to the provenance of the colonial settlers.
https://www.juancole.com/2023/05/palestinians-indigenous-palestinian.html
(Random link I haven’t read, assume it’s accurate)
The whole land without a people for a people without a land is just another a Zionist colonialist lie to justify their brutalisation, colonisation, genocide and ethic cleansing of indigenous people on their own land.
The absolutely mind bending thing is folks who support this are able to delude themselves as to their moral and cultural superiority, even whilst US taxpayer’s bombs slaughter brown children sleeping in homes that cost less than the bombs in their tens of thousands for decades on end:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/may/26/yemen-us-israeli-airstrikes-houthi-famine-humanitarian-crisis-civilians
Delusion and ego is a very powerful thing

@ Manjit
>> The whole land without a people for a people without a land
……. is just another a Zionist colonialist lie << LIE??? When used by Golda Meir, Yes as a cover up But not now ... an openly conscious pursuit. When Golda Meir started out, I was a clever cover up, given the spirit of the time and the media covering. Today they face an another problem in how to make "a conscious pursuit" SEEN in such an way that they remain NOT SEEN as colonialists etc. The foundation of the state of Israel was ..."a conscious pursuit"... from the very beginning and it never changed. As they can command the powers to do so, political, economical, religious and military ....nothing and nobody is going to stop it. Israel is not only a Zionist project ..It is also a Christian project, and not only religious it is also an american strategic, economic project to control the Islamic world = OIL

“The absolutely mind bending thing is folks who support this are able to delude themselves as to their moral and cultural superiority”
I cannot emphasise this enough. The past 20 months has been painfully eye-opening & heart-breaking as to the human condition.
I used to genuinely believe that most human beings had high levels of empathy and compassion for their fellow human beings, but this view has been totally shattered by the response of our governments, mainstream media, politicians, celebrities, society and individuals to the unimaginable horrors our governments inflict on innocent people, mainly children, with our tax payer money.
Hell, we even see folks who’ve been preaching spirituality, compassion, connection, empathy and a whole lot of other empty flowery BS here for years, but revert back into tribal cruelty when faced with reality.
I think the problem really is that, for most folks, most certainly including religious folks, things like compassion, empathy, love, understanding etc are merely concepts, thoughts or ideas in their head which do not reflect any kind of deep, authentic and genuine connection?
How many folks who like to talk and preach about all things “spiritual” have actually sat down and deeply listened to the “other”, be it in race, religion, country, sex, age, gender, sexuality etc? How many actually try to understand their reality?
How many have actually shed a tear for the “other”?
Without that, all talk is merely empty and hypothetical, and when shit gets real it gets dropped instantly. We revert back to our true, biologically determined tribal, racial, sexual, economic etc self-centeredness.
I’m not talking to those folks with no interest in “spirituality”, or being a decent human being, or who place no value in ideals like love, compassion, empathy etc. Good luck to them!
But to those who do – have you actually ever shed a tear for the “other”? Ideally you want to get to a place where there is no “other” and only “us”, but you got to start somewhere.
When tears have been shed, the voice changes. I don’t sense that here from quite a few who have pontificated about decency and morality over the years. Just the moving about of concepts and thoughts, completely disconnected from the heart.
Here, I’ll start. I’ve been accused of being an antisemite here recently (a classic zionist lie, but still it should be concerning in theory).
Well, perhaps, perhaps not. But I can certainly be honest with myself and the forum here, and may the Divine strike me down if I lie even in the slightest;
The very first film I ever cried watching as an adult was Schindler’s List (and only the 2nd film ever, the first was Mother India, which I watched as a 5 year old or so…..shout out to those who know this classic and what I mean :).
Also, about 12 months or so ago, several months into Israel’s genocide, I cried watching the new Netflix WW2 documentary (forget what it’s called. perhaps WW2 in colour or something).
The horror and suffering inflicted upon the Jewish (and others) community was inscrutably painful and incomprehensible. It is beyond my comprehension how humans can treat each other like this.
I was also struck, and saddened, by the fact that many, many of things done to the Jewish people by the Nazis were being done in exactly the same way by the Israeli’s to the Palestinians whilst I was watching the documentary. The parallels were so uncanny, so much so it almost seemed like it was intentional, perhaps sub-consciously so. The cycle of immense suffering is just too much to bear. Tears must flow for all human beings.
I do not understand how the western world and it’s citizens can stand by idly whilst the same horrors are committed again, this time actually funded by almost the entire western establishment, justified by the excuse they did the exact same things to Jewish people 80 years ago?
Where has our humanity gone? Where has our sanity gone?
We can pretend how liberal or non racist we are or write blogs on how being silent about bigotry and hatred is not okay, or how spiritual and connected we are, and how love and compassion are such great things, but unless we demonstrate it with our words and actions in situations these qualities are actually needed, it’s just one big circle jerk isn’t it? And an unusually obscene one at that!
But what do i know, I’m just your regular anti semitic kind of guy screaming into the abyss of our broken humanity.
As you were with the charades.

“revert back into tribal cruelty when faced with reality.”
That’s really one of the incredible things here, what utterly pathetic and ugly tribal leaders folks have so easily, so readily, completely abandoned all morals, integrity and deceny etc for, Biden and Trump!
So worthless and valueless were there values!
I can understand Trump followers not caring – compassion and empathy really isn’t a strong trait in that demographic.
But so called liberals?
It’s just an embarrassment how quickly they tossed integrity and morality out the window to support, and continue to support, their tribal gods Genocide Joe and Kid Killer Kamala.

@ Manjit
>> I used to genuinely believe that most human beings had high levels of empathy and compassion for their fellow human beings,…<< Maybe you should ingest more coffee instead of mushrooms etc and delve in psycho-biology, to understand that whatever humans do is ..SURVIVE., guided by pleasure and suffering Empathy, compassion etc are just the "positive" tools they use ..have a look outside the door...in nature most survive on eating others beside maybe plants. Religion and spirituality are in my opinion also survival tools

@um, I have delved into Psycho-biology quite, quite deeply, thank you!
I am no stranger to coffee, either.
I guess question then becomes, how deeply have you dived into mushrooms?
Experience and knowledge are very, very different from ignorance and speculation. We should be alert to the difference!
😉
I disagree quite strongly with the implied fatalism and powerlessness of many of your viewpoints as I mentioned many, many times.
I suggest a) you do not presume this is based on an ignorance of the theories of psycho biology and evolution, and b) get experienced in psychedelics before you speculate and make statements as to the depths of their revelations into the human condition. Ignorance is no basis for wisdom.
But you do you 😘

It’s too bad Biden didn’t step down from office. That was a big strategic error. Then Kamala Harris could’ve been the first female president, had a chance to recalibrate policy and proven her mettle before the election.
Now it’s all on Trump, who “runs the country and the world.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/06/trump-second-term-comeback/682573/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/28/trump-the-atlantic-i-run-the-country-world/83326268007/

@ Manjit
You are write with how you see me and I? …I am satisfied with what and whom I am.
I am quite aware that in the eyes of many, I am an good-for-nothing-ignoramus as they all have toiled and worked heart to achieve the top in science, art, spirituality and even as human being and they did and I did not.
I might like them and I did and do as a human being but what was and is so dear to them was and is not to me …I(n te past I love to present myself as an cultural barbarian. These days I would add to it ……it is even worse.
As I wrote a couple of days ago ..T am like the dessert, whatever has come upon me must die ..so yes Manjit ….. I am as barren as the desert ..that was quite a good observation of you.

@ Manjit
before I forget .. I also do miss compassion, empathy love and devotion
I know these words, know how to write them and how they linguistic are used but nothing more
AND …
It doesn’t mater to make myself some coffee.
Before the late MCS, during an christmas – evening in the guesthouse I was more or less “forced” to play a patient that needed L&D injections, love an devotion. The whole audience laughed their heart out and MCS had to bite his hand in order to prevent a laughing fit.
Hahahaha ..but there is a secret here Manjit

Hi Um, again your fatalism is noted.
But it doesn’t make any sense to me.
You have a choice to eat sacred medicine like mushrooms or Ayahuasca, and all your fatalism and nihilism, or whatever you call your hands off approach to human society and culture, will be washed away in less than 5 hours. With near certainty.
So it is not things cannot change or that the barren desert can’t become an oasis.
It’s simply that you cling to your views and limitations… and ill advisedly try to give advice to those who are objectively more knowledgeable and experienced than you about a subject, without recognising the absurdity and irony of it!
I’ve made the courtesy of drinking coffee for decades, and spending thousands of hours researching bio psychology – damn if I haven’t posted links to hundreds of hours worth of books, online articles or documentaries about that right here or RSS – before having the temerity to discuss them with others!
Can you say the same? Think about the words you are saying!

Hi Um, that the idea that the very fabric of our being, God, reality etc is love and compassion (not the words, but actual experiential and ontological realities) is something you can no longer relate to or understand after an experience with Charan Singh, and that there is some sort of “secret” to this is noted. I may understand this more than you think.
Neither is this view unique, Bernadette Rogers writes quite beautifully on the falling away of love.
I just don’t think you appreciate that I don’t consider this shift in your perspective to necessarily be either a positive thing, and certainly not the depth of the “spiritual experience”.
As they say, YMMV.

@ Manjit
I agree with you about the way you see me with one exception … It might so appear to you and others, that I do not know but I have no advise to give to anybody.
You asked If I can put on the table the same effort You invested … I gave that answer … NO …I just read from my own book, without expertise or leaning on the expertise of others ..as the good lady of my youth characterized me …young man you are an artist without art. ..just read my previous two contributions again.
What you write about me I take fore notice of how you attribute value and meaning to what I write, nothing more nothing less

@ Manjit
In order to be a human being no effort is needed, to expertise is require, no necessity to read or write books, no degree in science, no consumption of mind altering drugs.
All these things do not make a person a better human being, it never did and it will never do …I the very first letter he wrote to me …humbleness and meekness are indeed great virtues but they are not so easy to develop
He was right

https://youtube.com/shorts/yxx8m4vsILM?si=-XglOFlAimFugAPT

https://youtube.com/shorts/qL8w3NpWry0?si=d9RijzqHu78TCVFu

Hi Manjit
You wrote
“Dear Spence – thanks for being a spokesperson for Netanyahu’s talking points here. It’s good to have a voice for him, so we can tear about his ugly Zionist lies, manipulations and distortions designed for absolutely no other purpose other than to justify the colonisation, genocide and ethic cleansing of indigenous people on their own land. You here parrot Netanyahu’s talking point/lie “When the Mufti of Palestine declared their support for Adolph Hitler, including support for the extinction of the Jews, and further said “no” to Churchill’s offer to help them if they were willing to make a place for Israel in exchange for Palestine’s political independence.”.
What I wrote is correct. You may read the source here
https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler
You wrote
” Well, here’s a response from Jewish Holocaust experts, historians and politicians to this meeting:
“Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Wednesday on Netanyahu’s remarks: “Of course Hajj Amin al-Husseini did not invent’ the Final Solution to the Jewish question’. History clearly shows that Hitler initiated it. Hajj Amin al-Husseini joined him.” He added that “the jihadist movements today are encouraging anti-Semitism and lean on known Nazi heritage.”
Opposition leader Isaac Herzog called Netanyahu’s remarks “distortion of history” on his Facebook page.”
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4714313,00.html
Yes Netanyahu claimed the Mufti invented the idea of the Holocaust. That is false. He merely pled his allegiance to support Hitler and the holocaust. See the historical record above.
You have still to offer any solution. And that is what happens when you let hatred prevent you from seeing how all people regardless of their history can live together.
Since you don’t get this single point, why continue heaping blame, actually making false accusations when the reality is plenty horrible as it is?
But indulging in the hatred such horror engenders solves nothing. Because it doesn’t move anyone a single micron closer to a solution that works for all involved. You will have to find a way to give hope to Palestine, Israel and even Hammas. For that path, forgiveness is a core requirement. Then trust must be built in tiny, controlled steps
Humans are filled with flaws, we are children running with scissors every day. You might as well shout at the wind to let yourself become so angered by the inevitable.
Use that brilliant and clever voice to think forward and move forward. If it is in you to do so. It’s there somewhere.
Hint: If it doesn’t work for all concerned it won’t work. So, what will?

Dear Spence, this Netanyahu TALKING POINT that you raised multiple times WHILST Palestinian infants were being slaughtered in their thousands….WHILST…and which was widely condemned by Jewish historians and politicians etc, are you able to provide a source to anyone else raising this incident to damn the Palestinian people like you have here multiple times over the past 20 months? Like I say, nice to have a spokesman for Netanyahu here.
You can mischaracterise my position as “hate”, but you have to wonder if it is hate for a to be person shouting, kicking and screaming at the attacker raping and murdering your neighbour and their children, or if it is hate for the attacker’s cousin to stand by whilst that rape and murder of your neighbours infants is going on in front of your face whilst it is happening, wring their hands and say “well this is an unpleasant situation. Not nice at all. Tut tut. Though to be fair do you remember when that child’s great great grandfather 80 years shouted at our great grandfather? There’s w sides to all stories, balance is on needed!
But oh, isn’t the world so full of love and compassion and understanding! Come to my blog and I’ll preach to you on that, you’ll love it!”.
WHILST the slaughter is occurring…..
Whereas the first “hateful” neighbour, the screaming and kicking one, will promptly cease to have ANY interest in the situation and people involved just as soon as the SLAUGHTER stops.
I’ll leave it to morality and decency of the reader to decide where hate and love lie.

Manjit
Your anger is not justified once you aim that towards innocent people.
Isn’t this what you are complaining about?
The real victim here is your own mind.

“Raise your words, not your voice.
It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder.”
Rumi

https://youtube.com/shorts/c0XASh7-UNs?si=YY1X4qy7-yVaDFeP
https://youtube.com/shorts/vJUHZUpnrc4?si=NdJo4RxR-gz3VnaV
https://youtube.com/shorts/sDytAtgUK88?si=NXF0HjaZCnYfbVrK
https://youtube.com/shorts/2_gMIhbfq94?si=4Rv0vHq5ybVnD7Ld
https://youtube.com/shorts/OTVQ8DQke9A?si=sicPtVtugavWfl14
https://youtube.com/shorts/ng0jAynGN9E?si=dSzTuIkxpv9bijt5
Etc etc, ad infinitum

Spence “The real victim here is your own mind”.
Jesus fucking Christ almighty.
Absolutely shameless and thoughtless.

https://youtu.be/4L_2cicoetU?si=w9D3KbeR1CJ4ldq4
https://youtu.be/jnE4ko8jrqI?si=j89X4KN1eqqqZ6s7
https://youtu.be/eNGXBmlJa4Y?si=ehOdNe2QXuplg2hV
Etc etc, ad infinitum.
I think they might be the real victims here, Spence.