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132 Comments

  1. Vinny

    What Christians are propagating is plutocracy in the name of democracy where few people with wealth control the destiny of nations leading to wars, death and destruction. Education system of Christians is based on unconscious mind to create army of slaves for plutocrats.

  2. Sonia

    I think I posted this in the wrong place. Not sure, but I’ll post it here as well.
    Sorry O’Jen, didn’t see your comments till now. I don’t always read everything. 😬 I came back to this post because I wanted to make a comment about Ranbaxy and saw your comments. The answer was in 017 and Brian has written a blog post about it since then in which I at least acknowledged that I don’t think the questioner was offended, just thought it was interesting he said he gets angry but has a purpose for it. But again, we all get angry and we all think we have a purpose for it. That’s just how people are. I don’t like it when others get angry either but I can’t tell them not to.
    Anyway, that’s old news. What’s new to me is the story about Ranbaxy as told in ‘Bottle of Lies’. After reading that book I was dumbfounded. The FDA worked on the Ranbaxy case for 8 years and even had a picture of Malvinder in the war room where they had drawn devil horns on his face. That company was rotten to the core and fraudulent on every front. It’s mind blowing! The complex, convoluted, deceptive, twisted, criminal manner in which that company was managed can only be described in one way, FUBAR.
    In a news article, Shivinder was compared the way his brother ran businesses to a particular demon. When I read that article (before reading the book) I thought it was an absurdly extreme statement. But after reading the book I totally get why he said that. It is entirely possible that Mal and others completely sabotaged everything. Malvinder might have been worse than Trump. It’s truly mind boggling. And I hate to slander Malvinder, but you have no idea. I have no idea… I mean I’m sure there are far more skeletons in his and his associates closets. Sociopaths. It got to the point where you wondered if they even knew they were lying. Well, of course they did but it was pathological. I feel sorry for him because he is so messed up. And he must have learned it from his father.
    So, what role GSD played in it is impossible to know at this point. I do believe now that Malvinder initiated the corruption within those companies.
    Posted by: Sonia | August 27, 2020 at 08:46 PM
    I’ll add to that, I believe Ranbaxy had little regard for human life and no regard for people’s health.

  3. s*

    Maybe Babaji just try to help them really..who knows?!

  4. Jesse

    https://nbc25news.com/news/local/cdc-94-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions
    OMG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAAAA!!!!!!
    B-b-b-b-b-b-but SCIENCE said….
    “94% of Covid-19 deaths had underlying medical conditions”
    “The following are the top underlying medical conditions linked with COVID-19 deaths.
    * Influenza and pneumonia
    * Respiratory failure
    * Hypertensive disease
    * Diabetes
    * Vascular and unspecified dementia
    * Cardiac Arrest
    * Heart failure
    * Renal failure
    * Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events”
    Meanwhile in the world’s hardcore party zone, Wuhan China- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4pv-sR0_kA

  5. s*

    Jesse,
    Itś all political ..
    Now they work on vaccins.
    In India there is said that they will have a vaccin in early 2021..
    Omg.

  6. Monster

    Jesse,
    Those are probably the top underlying medical conditions linked with all contagious diseases.
    OMG, I apologize for my “splurge” of comments but I stayed up all night to meet a deadline for work and drank FOUR Monster drinks!!!! 😳🧟‍♀️😵
    Anyway, this will be my last comment for a while…
    This is a REALLY fun article.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02278-5
    “If immunity to the virus lasts less than a year, for example, similar to other human coronaviruses in circulation, there could be annual surges in COVID-19 infections through to 2025 and beyond. Here, Nature explores what the science says about the months and years to come.”
    “June 2021. The world has been in pandemic mode for a year and a half. The virus continues to spread at a slow burn; intermittent lockdowns are the new normal. An approved vaccine offers six months of protection, but international deal-making has slowed its distribution. An estimated 250 million people have been infected worldwide, and 1.75 million are dead.
    Scenarios such as this one imagine how the COVID-19 pandemic might play out1. Around the world, epidemiologists are constructing short- and long-term projections as a way to prepare for, and potentially mitigate, the spread and impact of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Although their forecasts and timelines vary, modellers agree on two things: COVID-19 is here to stay, and the future depends on a lot of unknowns, including whether people develop lasting immunity to the virus, whether seasonality affects its spread, and — perhaps most importantly — the choices made by governments and individuals. “A lot of places are unlocking, and a lot of places aren’t. We don’t really yet know what’s going to happen,” says Rosalind Eggo, an infectious-disease modeller at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM).
    “The future will very much depend on how much social mixing resumes, and what kind of prevention we do,” says Joseph Wu, a disease modeller at the University of Hong Kong. Recent models and evidence from successful lockdowns suggest that behavioural changes can reduce the spread of COVID-19 if most, but not necessarily all, people comply.”
    -Sonia

  7. Jen

    And now for something different, whilst living in a world of chaos, hatred, fear and anger…
    Love conquers all.
    A pure love, an unconditional love which perhaps is very rare. It also does depend on what upbringing, what country and family and what the people are like where we live, and especially what we experience in our childhood.
    My youngest son could be quite defiant, and at the age of four he would stand with his hands on his hips and say “you’re not the boss of me, no-one’s the boss of me”. “I do what I do”. I just melted with love when I saw this little fella with such a strong defiant attitude and would simply talk to him, quietly and gently and also listening, especially for a child, listening with full attention is important.
    He grew up to be so very honest and so genuinely kind and agreeable, my guardian looking after his mother now. So I often think about how he was and the kind and generous human being he became and how pure love can conquer all.

  8. ❗4 Sonia ❗

    I can’t share that on an open forum. Email me.
    Posted by: Sonia | September 01, 2020 at 06:16 PM
    Please send me your email address bitte,
    Mine is 7.77@mail.com
    777

  9. Sonia

    @Jen
    Very sweet. 🥰 You’re very blessed and so is he. When you look at someone with love you eventually only see the good. But you can’t love anyone if you don’t love yourself. Some parents don’t love themselves and their children end up suffering because of that. That said, every relationship can be healed if people are willing to try.

  10. 💮💮 777 💮💮

    Long before the 2004 loan affair
    I still think the Phil from ‘UK” 1997
    10M$
    went partly to the generic Mohan
    family
    Now apply these interests
    they are used to agree upon
    15%
    and see
    Who owes Who What?
    HE owns the brothers nothing
    on the contrary
    May be a strange way with Indian Verbal agreements
    but it’s not uncommon in Europe either
    but my feel says that Grinder still has some papers for Sept; 7
    777

  11. Jesse

    Here’s some really fun info for the chronically ill-informed and chemically sedated nerd class who frequent these kinds of sites-
    https://twitter.com/cabot_phillips/status/1301516424276578305
    By the way, some of you, at the barely-subliminal behest of mega corporations, offered your moral support on this blog to an organization that is now linked to the killing of about 30 people in the past 2 months in by-definition acts of terrorism. Hopefully you weren’t foolish enough to offer material support as well because if political winds change, you’re not gonna want to be associated with those orgs. Good luck with the drooling.

  12. 💮💮 777 💮💮

    Hi ALL
    May I here proof the total innocence of Grinder
    and even the fact that HE is a Sant SatGuru Saint
    Just think
    Nobody writing the most awful here
    has received the slighted repercussions
    Think
    777

  13. 💮💮💮 777 💮💮💮. . . . . . . . 💮

    for who didn’t understand me
    When HE was bad , he wouldn’t be a little bit bad
    as a few stated here
    Combine now very bad bad bad with a billion of $
    Indeed ; it would make Capone breaking.
    Would hire the best hackers and have all your items in seconds
    But nothing happened
    I came here to ‘defend’ my Master and His successor
    You won’t believe I see them Both radiant – not always – its like waves
    So now let’s use LOGIC
    777

  14. Jen

    An interesting conversation in Australia where the culture is usually very matter of fact and blunt. There are a couple of short videos taken with a young chap and an older man speaking about political correctness. I think many people are scared now and so they are very careful with what they say and imo political correctness can be overdone and it seems like telling little lies and being fake because of fear of speaking about their real opinions. But things are rapidly changing especially now with the availability of the internet and access to all sorts of information.
    “Has political correctness gone too far?”
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-09/political-correctness-australia-hear-me-out/9043730?nw=0
    “Jason and Grus are both former soldiers, but they have very different views about how political correctness affects Australian society. They haven’t met before but have agreed to sit down and hear each other out.”

  15. s*

    Beautiful Jen,what you write about you and your son!

  16. 💮 777 💮

    Both radiant – not always – its like waves
    Then They are bigger than this planet, The Sun, The Galaxies
    exactly as in JapJi
    Then I ask why they accept this shit
    and They Smile
    When it happened to be higher even, . . I understood, . . .
    but now – I must say – not anymore so clear
    I m not Rumi – I guess HE had the Truth in waves either
    Love upon Love and so on
    That’s the way and not thinking a few seconds
    I prayed a lot for NiMMI , – even angry-ed, towards Charan OMG

  17. Vinny

    Is David Lane sleeping ? Why he is not speaking against plutocracy and plutocratic systems??

  18. anami

    All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

  19. Hubbard

    for who didn’t understand me
    When HE was bad , he wouldn’t be a little bit bad
    as a few stated here
    Combine now very bad bad bad with a billion of $
    Indeed ; it would make Capone breaking.
    Would hire the best hackers and have all your items in seconds
    But nothing happened
    I came here to ‘defend’ my Master and His successor
    You won’t believe I see them Both radiant – not always – its like waves
    So now let’s use LOGIC
    777
    Posted by: 💮💮💮 777 💮💮💮. . . . . . . . 💮 | September 03, 2020 at 05:12 PM
    True. Be grateful RSSB isn’t the Church of Scientology. 😂

  20. 🎸7 🎸

    Let’s all be glad that the resident doesn”t has the nuclear codes anymore
    7

  21. Sonia

    “Forgiveness is the answer to damn near everything. The problem is we don’t really understand what it means. Forgiveness doesn’t tell me to overlook something someone did to me. It means it’s impossible for anyone to DO something to me. For me to think even for a brief moment that I understand the world from the tiny bits of my perception is an epic fail. All I can see, all I will ever see is what the viewfinder of my limited perception shows me. If my perception is fixed nothing can come between the goal it has chosen. Let’s say I choose the perception that so and so is a misogynist asshole. If that perception stays fixed—meaning I refuse to forgive—nothing, not a miracle not a sign, not an evidential slap in the face allows any other reality to manifest. Likewise if my perception is convinced that money is hard to come by, the world’s unlimited abundance cannot get through my blockade. It’s right there eager to unfold in my life but my perception has put up orange cones. Forgiveness means knowing my perception is forever tiny and incomplete. Forgiveness is to defy the lie that life blows, that so and so is a horrible, evil person. The best feature of forgiveness is that it relieves me of having to make judgements. Knowing I can’t and don’t understand the whole relieves me of having to decide what’s *good or bad — [judge what happens to me is either good or bad] decisions I’m incapable of making. It literally sets me free.” -Pam Grout

  22. Sonia

    I like Pam Grout’s fun and down to earth personality but she and many others use New Age (and Old World) wisdom to “manifest”. I don’t believe in manifesting. I mean, I don’t think that’s what life is about. I think we’re supposed to learn how to be truly happy wherever life puts us. Things, people and circumstances aren’t at the core of what makes us happy. True joy comes from being at peace and learning to be content regardless of whether you get the things you think you want. But, to each his own…

  23. Sonia

    The key to happiness is learning to be content in all situations. Whatever the lord has given you—good, bad, indifferent—you should accept and learn to live in peace. Peace comes from within, not from outward circumstances. This is what the saints come here to teach us. Happiness, joy, peace and contentment are a state of mind not circumstance.

  24. Sonia

    Philippians is one of the more helpful books of the Bible. This is my favorite bible verse of all:
    Philippians 4:7
    New King James Version
    7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
    You can substitute “Christ Jesus” for whatever entity, identity or concept you want. I just like the message that even in the most painful and troubling circumstances there is a “peace that surpasses all understanding”. It may have nothing to do with the logic that we rely on to get us through each day. But it points to that fact that it’s possible to find peace even in the most difficult of circumstances. And the kind of peace we feel when theoretically we shouldn’t be feeling any peace at all is the peace that surpasses all understanding (logic).
    It’s comforting.

  25. Sonia

    The problem with most New Age teachers is the idea that you can manifest anything you want—anything your heart desires. But how does anyone really know what they want or what’s going to make them happy? Beyond that, regardless of how good you are at “manifesting” you’re still going to face hardships and disappointment. It’s called life.
    The Zen Buddhist approach isn’t focused on getting what you want, necessarily. It’s focus is on connecting with your inner self and finding peace regardless of circumstances.
    “Oh Lord won’t you give me a Mercedes Benz…” I like the song. It’s fun. But there’s nothing you “need” to be happy that you can’t find within.

  26. Sonia

    The desire for anything other than God isn’t a God-given desire.

  27. 💞💋🧡🧡🌸🌸.💋🌼🌺🌺💛💛💜💜 💞💞❤️❤️💋🧡🧡🌸🌸💮💮

    24/7 franticly be in Love
    you can have other desires as well as long you see HIM in him/her/it
    HIS Simran produces that
    777
    ps
    Covering the entire Path
    and all inter mediar stages
    from your first Simran up to >Satori
    It accumulates exponentially like an inverted Fibonnacci Spiral, never really touching the center

  28. Jen

    How I feel and think nowadays is that we really don’t have any idea of who and what we are and how and why we were created. I feel like humans are little tiny ants living on the surface of this spinning ball called earth which is a tiny little speck in a huge universe which could also be a tiny speck in the multiverse.
    “The word ‘universe,’ I suppose, should properly mean the whole thing — everything. But when we think of ‘universe,’ we sometimes use the word to mean just our Big Bang, the things we can see out to almost 14 billion light-years in all directions. And in this manner, it’s reasonable to question: Is our universe unique? Are there multiple Big Bangs? Could there be multiple Big Bangs in different senses?”
    Dictionary: Multiverse: a hypothetical space or realm consisting of a number of universes, of which our own universe is only one.

  29. Horton

    @Jen
    Yes, we’re all living in Whoville!
    -Sonia

  30. s*

    Good questions Jen!!
    Our own body is even a universe..maybe multiverse..

  31. Horton

    We should have a like button for comments. Just a thumbs up… 🙂

  32. Sonia

    I’m currently taking a college course on Health Psychology and I know most of you are familiar with this but it bears repeating. According to The Six Dimensions of Wellness Model developed by Dr. Bill Hettler, co-founder of the National Wellness Institute (NWI), Spiritual Wellness is defined as follows:
    “The spiritual dimension recognizes our search for meaning and purpose in human existence. It includes the development of a deep appreciation for the depth and expanse of life and natural forces that exist in the universe. Your search will be characterized by a peaceful harmony between internal personal feelings and emotions and the rough and rugged stretches of your path. While traveling the path, you may experience many feelings of doubt, despair, fear, disappointment and dislocation, as well as feelings of pleasure, joy, happiness and discovery. These are all important experiences and components to your search and will be displayed in the value system you will adapt to bring meaning to your existence. You’ll know you’re becoming spiritually well when your actions become more consistent with your beliefs and values, resulting in a “world view.” Spiritual wellness follows these tenets:
    • It is better to ponder the meaning of life for ourselves and to be tolerant of the beliefs of others than to close our minds and become intolerant.
    • It is better to live each day in a way that is consistent with our values and beliefs than to do otherwise and feel untrue to ourselves.”
    Even if your an Atheist you are on a spiritual path when you think about it. And the dark night of the soul along with confusion and doubt and developing your own value system are hallmarks of the search for meaning.
    Tolerance is probably the most important and hardest to learn.

  33. um

    @ Sonia
    Tolerance based on self confidence is the hallmark of one that has mastered an art or craft, knowledge or inner experience.
    In a masterclass of music, most students are stressed in one way or another, afraid of making miss takes, and wondering how that would work out in others, and that shows off in their non-verbal behaviour.
    The teacher on the other hand, that knows what he knows and is capable of never dhows such behaviour.
    Not that the teacher does nt make mistakes or that he even is a better talented musician.
    The only difference is that he no longer needs a prop to walk … he stands on his own legs and uses them according his own ideas.
    This confidence giving way to tolerance can also be mastered as a student of whatever … the ones that have made up their mind, set a goal and are on their way.

  34. Sonia

    Hi Um,
    Yes, there’s definitely something to be said for one who masters a certain discipline.
    Maestros?
    10,000 hours to become an expert?
    🙃

  35. um

    @ Sonia
    Any master freed by fear of others can do and say as he deems free.
    See the difference between seekers, students etc asking their spiritual teachers questions. Listen to the voice, look at their body language. The teacher can give any answer he deems fit and they do.
    They cannot be moved …. and they react never ever insecure, whatever the question might be.
    They don’t have to prove anyrhing and … they never do … it just doesn’t matter how a seeker reacts to them.
    Normally, talking to others both sides are in the position of the “seeker” …as all take what another says to heart

  36. Sonia

    Gosh, it’s back to karma, karma, karma again. No hope. No joy.

  37. The Splurge

    I was so depressed today. Some days are just like that. Anyway, this may seem really cheesy (and it kinda is) I found these inspirational quotes encouraging.
    “If you’re trying to achieve, there will be roadblocks. I’ve had them; everybody has had them. But obstacles don’t have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don’t turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.” —Michael Jordan
    “Just don’t give up trying to do what you really want to do. Where there is love and inspiration, I don’t think you can go wrong.” —Ella Fitzgerald
    “There is no failure except in no longer trying.” —Elbert Hubbard

  38. Hi guys – anyone into the Smashing Pumpkins? Have watched/listened to this new track on youtube several times. Great song imo. Bit retro/synth//early 80’s dance about. Some great illustrations of flexibility of the female form and interesting lyrics. I think it has this ‘freeing’ lighter quality to it:
    https://youtu.be/2AN_GRWlU7k
    Should get the body moving a bit – but also a bit of an ear worm 🙂

  39. S

    Smashing Pumpkins, OMG. 😂
    The 90’s were the best—we just didn’t realize how good we had it.

  40. 💞💋🧡🧡🌸🌸.💋🌼🌺🌺💛💛💜💜 💞💞❤️❤️💋🧡🧡🌸🌸💮💮

    About the Delhi High Court
    When they have all paperwork
    they might decide the main transaction “not done”
    Like : I sell Brian a Ferrari and.
    Brian sells it for the double to Sonia,
    next he asks his money back from me because Sonya was stopped by the sheriff
    Don’t forget : Sankyo sold for the double value to “SUN”
    The court might ask Sankyo cancel the sale and and pay Sun back
    Next the boys ( I remember them both ). sell it for a triple
    and after re-manufacturing HYDERGINE and sell me 10 packages , case is solved
    That would indeed be a ‘boom’. as the beholder of Charan’s Shabd,-package once declared
    777

  41. Sonia

    OK, I’m just gonna say it, I’m getting a little tired of people judging me by my skin color. People make all these assumptions. I swear, sometimes I thing people are nicer to my mom and my best friend just because they have darker skin. Or maybe it’s just my personality. 🙄
    Seriously though, everything makes these flash judgements and it’s like you have to prove to them you’re not racist. Quite frankly I feel like they’re being racist. 🤨

  42. anami

    Most caterpillars KNOW that butterflies are TOTAL FRAUDS.

  43. Sonia

    Most caterpillars KNOW that butterflies are TOTAL FRAUDS.
    Posted by: anami | September 18, 2020 at 08:07 AM
    😂😂😂

  44. Jen

    Have been looking into Aged Care Homes with my family and feeling like I don’t want to give up my freedom and my independence, but I know that this is what I need now, so will have to give in and accept whatever comes my way…
    This quote makes me laugh…
    “Forget safety.
    Live where you fear to live.
    Destroy your reputation.
    Be notorious.”
    ― Rumi
    “When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy.”
    ― Rumi
    “Be grateful for whoever comes, because each has been sent as a guide from beyond.”
    ― Mawlana Jalal-al-Din Rumi

  45. Spence Tepper

    Hi Splurge
    Here’s one I really like
    “Your weakness, in the eyes of the world, is actually your secret weapon.”

  46. Sonia

    Wisdom of The Wise One:
    “Remember. Don’t know what you don’t know. Only know what you know.”
    https://youtu.be/jY0JK0S5e4E
    Posted by: anami | September 18, 2020 at 04:57 PM
    anami,
    That was the trippiest thing I’ve seen in a very long time. It went deep into the creepy valley. It’s like you’re hearing these profound words of wisdom but they sound like they’re coming from the mouth of a serial killer. And then the visuals were like ‘Deliverance’ on acid.
    Thanks for that. I’ll probably have nightmares tonight.

  47. The Splurge

    Hi Splurge
    Here’s one I really like
    “Your weakness, in the eyes of the world, is actually your secret weapon.”
    Posted by: Spence Tepper | September 18, 2020 at 06:32 PM
    Love it 😻

  48. Sonia

    Have been looking into Aged Care Homes with my family and feeling like I don’t want to give up my freedom and my independence, but I know that this is what I need now, so will have to give in and accept whatever comes my way…
    This quote makes me laugh…
    “Forget safety.
    Live where you fear to live.
    Destroy your reputation.
    Be notorious.”
    ― Rumi
    “When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy.”
    ― Rumi
    “Be grateful for whoever comes, because each has been sent as a guide from beyond.”
    ― Mawlana Jalal-al-Din Rumi
    Posted by: Jen | September 18, 2020 at 06:05 PM
    Jen, after you find the right place and get settled in you may find it even more comfortable and enjoyable than where you are right now. Change is scary when you’re afraid of the unknown. And that makes sense. But be fearless—it’s another adventure. I agree with Rumi. 🙂

  49. Dungeness

    @ “Remember. Don’t know what you don’t know. Only know what you know.”
    @@ It’s like you’re hearing these profound words of wisdom but
    @@ but they sound like they’re coming from the mouth of a serial
    @@ killer. … I’ll probably have nightmares tonight.
    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there’s the rub,
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come.
    –Hamlet

  50. Sonia

    If I had to summarize what spirituality means to me in just a few sentences it would be this:
    Spirituality is connectedness. Connectedness is love and unity. The greatest barrier to connectedness or unity are the ones we create when we view everything through me, myself and I.

  51. Jen

    Going through some big change in my lifestyle and realising how much I don’t want to let go and want my life to continue on in the same way I am used to. Realising that this is fear of the unknown. Found this quote which is a reminder that the ego will try to cling to its old habits and does not like change.
    Non-attachment is freedom from things.
    It is a self realization of the truth of reality –
    that you, ‘consciousness’, cannot be affected by anything.
    It is only the Egoic mind that makes
    you believe otherwise.
    ZEN THINKING

  52. Sonia

    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there’s the rub,
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come.
    –Hamlet
    Posted by: Dungeness | September 19, 2020 at 03:40 AM
    Dungeness,
    There are two things in this world that I find very strange if I think about them too deeply. The first is sleep. Why do we sleep at least a third of our lives. And I don’t want the biological reason for it. I know the answer to that. What I want to know is why we need to dream. That’s technically what keeps our minds sane as far as science is concerned. But why are we dreaming one third of our lives that are already a dream??
    The second is God. Of course I believe in God but I couldn’t even begin to tell you what it is. It’s not a person. It’s not a place. The best I can come up with is it’s an energy of love—the opposite of chaos. But if I think about it long enough it gets sort of trippy. It’s like thinking about the fact that the universe has no end (sit and really think about that for 15 minutes or more 😱).

  53. Sonia

    Some say you have to go through the darkness to get to the light.
    Any thoughts about this statement?

  54. Sonia

    Tiny piece of Time, PAST when remembering? FUTURE when remembering
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKdpEvzKoj4&lc=z22ggpwqfumxftavpacdp43ajjbg3tjzspkbks5el2pw03c010c
    What 999IQ aliens and 99999IQ Archangels CANNOT DO
    maybe stop the hairsplittings
    777
    Posted by: 💋💜 💞💞❤️💋 | September 21, 2020 at 04:12 PM
    Lovely Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto. Thanks for sharing. 😊
    My musical tastes are all over the place. Here’s one of my favorite groups—Pink Martini. I saw them live in Boston. It was the best concert I’ve ever attended. Simply love their performance of this song: https://youtu.be/nuzaSmVyBlA
    (BTW, you’re killing me with the aliens.)

  55. Sonia

    Yes good memory for a 97 year old.
    “People grow… they change… they evolve. I can change my view on things and admit to my mistakes”. – happy for you, child.
    Posted by: Brian Ji | September 19, 2020 at 11:05 PM
    Wow. You are 50 years older than me! Not bad at all.
    As far as Kal goes, the Saints sometimes take energies and concepts and personify them to help people understand their meaning. People are a little more sophisticated today. They’re capable of understanding that God didn’t create a devil. I’m not even sure what Kal is myself. I think it’s just simply the natural law of cause and effect. Kal is karma. We don’t really need a ruler to enforce the law of karma—it just is. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Why make it more complicated than that? Creating additional fear around the consequences of our actions doesn’t do much for helping people grow spiritually.
    To be honest, I don’t understand the purpose of any of the “rulers” but I’m not exactly an enlightened soul either.

  56. 💋

    Yes Sonia
    Such a lovely film- It s raining here and I found 2 snails on my screen
    Found a nice surface outside for them
    Hermaphrodites – what a busy life- I like Love in all it s forms
    Then google offered
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpTCZ-hO6iI
    No end in sight actually
    77

  57. 💜 💞💞❤️

    Some say you have to go through the darkness to get to the light. Any thoughts about this statement? Posted by: Sonia | September 21, 2020 at 11:53 AM
    No No – Some only – “You go where your ‘heart’ is” , . . . so if it is very much encapsulated. maybe. – Love is the best drilling holes in that –
    Remember when we had a lot of it!
    Some forgot most highlights of normal life
    777

  58. Sonia

    ‘Being a Teenager Today’ is an excellent book. I was so impressed with it. Found it to be incredibly helpful. The other was ‘Introduction to the Dao’. Both books newly released. Extremely balanced and progressive.

  59. Sonia

    A Siberian Strict Vegetarian Group
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Cv5hZfOmk
    How many sevens to place?
    77+7
    I think that guy is like-able
    Posted by: 777. Other choices are here. | August 29, 2020 at 10:33 AM
    Posted by: 77 | September 24, 2020 at 08:48 AM
    Likeable?? Did you see his School of the Maidens??? Nope, not very likeable in my book.
    However, while we’re sort of on the subject of off-grid living, check this out.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-foundation-helps-invent-tiger-toilets-powered-by-worms-2019-1
    The Gates’ are pretty down to earth considering. 🙂
    There’s also the Bollywood movie ‘Toilet’ that I think everyone should see… we take so much for granted.

  60. 7

    Likeable?? Did you see his School of the Maidens??? Nope, not very likeable in my book.
    Sonia. You are right
    Also
    That purposely making difficult to attend their festivities
    going through the mud
    like if Beas would forbid cars to approach
    Perhaps Putin wants his ‘knowledge’ of UFOs
    now , after trump on May, 12th killed 3 aliens with his new plasma weaponry
    in MAGE, Brazil – ( source : earthfiles on youtube )
    7
    OK, I redraw my ‘advertising’
    rest the. vegetarian SuperMaster in Malaysia

  61. Dungeness

    @ But why are we dreaming one third of our lives that are already a dream??
    I’ve often wondered too. They seem to be coded messages to
    higher consciousness: “wake up! quit dreaming!” But, since you’ve
    already descended, dreams say let us analyze events for you, My
    scenes will be confusing, fragmented, pleasant, terrifying, and
    even prophetic at times. A weird phantasmagoria that will leave
    you wondering “what the hell was that about!?”

    It will be a nagging reminder too that our consciousness is multi-
    layered and we must awaken to higher levels to really understand
    what they mean. If you try at the current level, you’re on a fool’s
    errand. You might as well ingest bleach to clean out the cobwebs
    in your mind. No, don’t make the mistakes we’re all making. But,
    since we’re gonna dream anyway, turn your attention inside and
    have sweet dreams.
    –Baba DreamDoc
    @ The second is God. Of course I believe in God but I couldn’t even
    @ begin to tell you what it is. It’s not a person. It’s not a place. The best
    @ I can come up with is it’s an energy of love—the opposite of chaos.
    Beautiful.

  62. After perusing the last few posts and enjoying the recent exchange of views. I’ve taken stock of the general themes on this blog and how I now think about some of them. I’ve put a few up:
    Meditation – still practice it, though not as set down in teachings such as RSSB. Like Brian sometimes do Simran, but more often endeavour to use breathing to relax and quieten thinking.
    Thinking – seems to be one of the key things to sort out (and yes we need it!) Clearly, most of what we take ourselves to be is something created by our thought process. We spend a great deal of our time identified with this and generally believe it to be our ‘self ‘. Meditation and other methodologies can show us how this thinking and the ‘I’ associated with it creates a sense of separation from each other/nature and what we actually are. Which seems to me to be that which remains when thought and/or identification with thought has ceased.
    Soul – many of us continue to think this is what we truly are. Problem for me here is that both my intellect and to some degree my experience tells me this ‘soul’ thing is not a thing be The ‘Thing’. If it’s The ‘Thing’, then it’s tied up with the truth of things. My experience says the truth is that we are not actually ‘separated’ – we just think we are (most of the time). If this is the case then soul is not a separated thing – just don’t see it your way Jim. I also think the word is so loaded with religious association both from West and East that it should be ditched – let’s use ‘consciousness’ instead.
    Karma/Reincarnation – teachings such as in RSSB (as I remember) continue to say souls are reborn, souls undergo karma. As I consider soul ‘consciousness’ to be associated with truth then these teachings are either not correct or at least misinterpreting/selectively interpreting how things are. I believe it’s the mind and so-called subtle body that is reincarnated/undergoes karma. I also believe that as such things are not ultimately real being associated with a thought-created self, then why keep thinking along these lines? –
    RSSB – it does look like GSD is changing some things (as Osho often points out).
    Yet as often discussed on this blog, most of the time the RSSB default mode operates. Quite a few here including myself clearly consider RSSB to be a religion these days. Yet as I think Sonia pointed out RSSB has been integral in the process of getting and evolving? us to where we are now so gratitude is in order imo. Who knows how things will be in the future?
    This blog/comments – I came across Brian’s blog about 6 years ago and have really enjoyed reading and occasionally commenting on the wide ranging topics particularly those regarding the nature of self and what consciousness is. There’s a wealth of useful info from a diverse group of cool people. I always enjoy what Manjit has to say. And tucson’s comments often resonated – hope you are OK mate.
    The now – what prompted this reflection was Brian’s recent post on living in the present. I’ve been assessing what he’s actually on about when he mentions being in the present with our thoughts inside our head or present with our thoughts/perceptions of the outside. I think Brian is raising the issue of where consciousness lies. This is definitely one of the fundamental questions we come to this blog to get a handle on. As mentioned earlier re meditation – what happens/remains in the absence of thought and perceptions? Dungeness talked of the ‘eternal now’ I like the term being with ‘what is’. Letting everything ‘be as it is’ is another topic Brian’s raised. Seems to me this is an incredibly powerful teaching, simple but a real challenge to the I tied up in discursive thought and not with present experience. However, as Adyashanti says (in a recent Youtube clip) – when we can really just stop and release this grasping/pushing away ‘a tremendous intimacy with everything’ can occur. This is a great way of putting it imo. I also read this the other day in Wallis’ Recognition Sutras:
    ‘The real I is not personal but universal. That most intimate wordless sense of yourself is felt in exactly the same way by all sentient beings, because it IS the same. Awareness is one and undifferentiated’ (p.195).
    Both point to a ‘now’ where the inner and the outer are no longer distinct – that’s my take on it.
    Best wishes

  63. Randomness

    I love Howard’s End. The TV series is even better than the movie. It’s closer to the book.

  64. Sonia

    @Tim Rimmer
    I very much enjoyed your comment. And I heartily agree, the big debate seems to be over what in fact is consciousness. The one thing we can all agree on is everything we see in this world is just a swirl of vibrating atoms that create seemingly solid objects. But science tells us nothing is truly solid.
    An octopus is the most intelligent of all the invertebrates and yet the majority of their intelligence is not inside their head. Our brains don’t really hold our thoughts either. So where are our thoughts if they aren’t in a physical location inside our brain? And again, what IS consciousness?

  65. 💋💜 💮💮 777 💮💮 ❤️💋

    ONLY LOVE DOES IT
    The only discrimination between jeevas
    is the degree of love on generates a certain moment in illussioiry time
    So, it helps a lot to love a Human being instead of a stone
    In fact we are ALL God and Creator of our pleasures and pains and surroundings
    777
    PS
    The sun might be later in Love than U, so don’t complain

  66. 💜 💮💮 777 💮💮 ❤️

    “The separation is in our MINDSET”
    So stop the (ask DrPhil) ‘Internal Dialogue” and True Masters giving the Tool to do that
    Further more : IT S HEAVEN to stop that
    Some here are afraid of Chaurasi –
    Masthers give an exit between a nano second and a zillion big bangs
    777

  67. Sonya

    ONLY LOVE DOES IT
    The only discrimination between jeevas
    is the degree of love on generates a certain moment in illussioiry time
    So, it helps a lot to love a Human being instead of a stone
    In fact we are ALL God and Creator of our pleasures and pains and surroundings
    777
    PS
    The sun might be later in Love than U, so don’t complain
    Posted by: 💋💜 💮💮 777 💮💮 ❤️💋 | September 28, 2020 at 04:12 AM
    Yes, humans are much softer than stones–more cuddly.
    Start where you are. That’s all one can do. 🙂

  68. 💋 💮 GORGEOUS 💮 💋

    There exists layer upon layer upon layer of notReality. Posted by: Sonia | September 28, 2020 at 03:55 PM
    Yes Soami JI. Seth Shix and Adi Granth says it
    The bible speaks only about the Higher than ArchAngels
    “Powers of God”
    They have immense IQ s and do the work
    God has no time for IQ – SHE knows only Love
    We can speculate about what is ment by Seth’s “Wonders upon Wonders”
    I guess because eternity is going on a long time
    So many other and even stranger than time stuff )
    The axtual universe going in ON/OFF state a trillion times per second
    Please remember “How it works”. SHE is just a Love generator – So many types of Love
    Wehn we blame HER got fucking things off, . . we blame ourselves
    It’s almost stupid to praise HER, praising ourselves
    BTW. JIM
    There is only ONE Soul but many Jeevas (Soul+Ego)
    What stays forever is each accumulated attempt for Love ; . . from helping an oldie crossing the street, give your life to save another
    to Being the Anahabad Shabd all the days
    It’s fabulous, Gorgeous, Exciting Makes one cry from the start to the end
    777

  69. Osho Robbins

    “Sach Khand is not a sight you see in meditation” – 271 days
    what do you think Sach Khand is?
    do you think it is a PLACE – where your soul (whatever that is!) visits?
    and where sat purush lives?
    until you get clear on what you mean by sach khand, you cannot figure this out.
    GSD has said so many times that there are no regions.
    what do you take that to mean?
    the idea of regions is flawed.
    anything that is eternal
    necessarily has no time and space
    so it cannot be a place
    and
    it cannot exist within time (kal)
    hence gurbani calls it AKAL
    so you cannot visit there.
    so what do you understand by sach khand?
    in meditation, where are you trying to reach?
    what is the purpose of meditation?
    are you trying to attain something?
    and who are YOU? that is trying to attain?
    all scriptures state that there is no YOU
    so how can you attain?
    “There is no ME” is a realization – not an intellectual statement

  70. Sonia 💋 🌱

    @777
    Diana Krall has such a beautiful voice.
    On another note, here is a wonderful documentary for all you earthers, ‘Kiss the Ground’. It’s uplifting.
    https://youtu.be/K3-V1j-zMZw

  71. 💋💜 💮 777 💮 ❤️💋

    Some original RS info
    0 Seeker! Every moment remain engrossed in the practice of Surat-Shabd-Yoga [union of the attention-faculty of the soul with Divine Light and Sound within during meditation] for there is no other comrade like the Word. Close your outer ears and then listen to the reverberations of the Word inside. The Word will drive “I-ness” (arrogance, self-centeredness, ego) out of you. Gain access to the Word and then you’ll attain to steadiness and control of mind. After that you’ll perceive the glowing and brilliant light of the flame and remain rapturous in the resonance of the Word every moment. You will then feel sick, disgusted and satiated with the objects of pleasures and forsake all of them for you would have soared high and heard the sonorous and resonant sound of the Word that is rich, deep and impressively loud.
    The guru directs that you must remain contented and engrossed in that Sound; and then you will hear the diapason and crescendo of the sound (glorious and harmonious burst of musical sound and gradual increase in its volume). Then the surat [soul] rises from there rapidly, as if walking with heavy or noisy footsteps, impressively, and arrives at Sunn (Spirit-Sphere) hearing the euphonious tinkling sound.
    Thereafter, you will hear the sound produced by overtones rather than volume and pitch — that of timbrel and tambourine; what shall I say about the majesty of the Sound which is infinite and unlimited. Whatever I may talk about it, it will be found wanting. This is a matter which is enigmatic and mysterious; how can I unravel its mystery. The surat [soul] now gains access to the depths and dimensions of the Spaceless and Timeless (Adhar).
    It now sits with her beloved Lord enjoying his perennial blissful company. All the darkness and dirt of the inner recess of the heart is now eradicated; showers of Sound are falling like murmuring rain. Inside you, as the light spreads, drops of ambrosia fall as the drops of dew. The mind has become fed up (annoyed and bored) with all other modes and methods (except Surat-Shabd-Yoga); the surat is now constantly applying to its wounds the healing and soothing balm of the Word (Sound). I now surrender my body and mind and all to the guru; Radhasoami [Lord of the Soul] speaks in this wise, time and again, with every breath.
    — Swami Ji Maharaj
    Sar Bachan Radhasoami Poetry, Volume One
    “The Quintessential Discourse Radhasoami”
    Translated by M.G. Gupta
    M.G. Publishers, Agra

  72. ShabdSwelling 💜 💮 777 💮 ❤️

    yes Sonia
    That voice together with the text goose bumps by
    arousing my 4th & 5th chakra, . . not really bad for an hour or so. <3
    When directing the focus on HIM. is 50% 6th and 17% 7th and Shabd swelling
    💜 💮 777 💮 ❤️

  73. Sonia

    One of my brothers best friends committed suicide. I’ve known since he was a kid and he was like a little brother. He was so successful. From the surface his life seemed perfect. So this is a terrible shock. He was such a kind and generous person. The last person you would think would commit suicide. Two boys 9 & 12 left behind and his amazing wife. How do these things happen? We’re all in shock and I can’t help but feel society has failed them in some way. We don’t recognize the signs… don’t encourage “successful” men to get help for depression. He was embarrassed about his depression. It’s just too heartbreaking to really talk about. Everyone is silent.

  74. 💋 🌱. 777.💋

    @Osho
    Please be exact and careful paraphrasing Charan
    HE started every sating with
    Why are people unhappy – reason : Everything they are attached to will be taken away
    So attach yourself to the most eternal stuff in existence : Naam
    Now, when you have that privilege you realise at the same time that HE is in The Wife/Man. you love
    In Everything . . . The Ice Cream as well
    Also that yourself IS HIM and is That Musical Reverberation which existed for ever and. always will be
    I hope this makes you happy
    777

  75. Sonia

    I think this is really important—it’s a profound lesson I hope people will share with others.
    I think my friend’s suicide hit me so hard because of the nature of his death and the fact that he had everything in the world going for him… and our families are all very close. I’ve been so depressed about it since last week but I’m coming to terms with it and I’m not depressed anymore. Just really sad for his kids and wife and immediate family. It touched so many people. It hurt so many people. My brother and all of his closest friends had a Zoom call on Sunday and they decided to set up a fund of some sort for their friend’s two boys. Anyway, gave me time to reflect on my own experience and personal attitude towards suicide and made me realize nobody cares how successful you are and being successful isn’t going to make you feel better. It obviously doesn’t ensure happiness. People just want you Alive. At the end of the day no one cares if you’ve failed—not the people who love you. They just want you around. All the things that get people down—they’re all “curable” but suicide isn’t. Pain goes away. Death doesn’t. I’ve felt bad about myself many times for “failing” at things but I realized other people may not even see me that way and they certainly don’t care about my perceived “failures”. Your friends and family only care about having you in their life. Life is so very precious. Just the very thought of suicide profoundly affects your subconscious. Even if you don’t act on it, just thinking about it sends a strong message to yourself that you’re not valuable. I just realized how horribly destructive even thinking about it is. It’s really awful. I’m certain that “scaring” people away from thinking about or even attempting or committing suicide doesn’t work. But helping people understand that just the thought of it is an attack on themselves that exacerbates self loathing and depression—just helping people understand that might be empowering. Respect yourself. Love yourself.

  76. Spence Tepper

    Hi Sonia
    ‘The suicide and the Saint share much the same experience. It is the interpretation of that experience that makes the difference.’
    Saint Augustine
    There is nothing wrong with wishing to end pain. Pain which serves no purpose but to harm oneself and through us, others.
    But an interesting thing happens in deep meditation. If you can get their, if you can vigorously do simran to overcome the mind’s anxious grip for a little while. If you can, through force of will, hand all problems to Him in prayer or meditation.
    And that event is the death of the persona.
    I did daily just a sure as the suicide dies once.
    And it is the happiest moment of my day.
    When my failings come forth, when I am publicly humiliated, filed with fear or anger, and I can give this to God. That is my happiest moment.
    Not because God will give me any acknowledgement that I am right. I am part of the flawed system and we are all just fulfilling our roles.
    But when I step off the stage…
    Total bliss. My boss is there with open arms telling me ‘you’ve played the hero / villain / ignorant fool /wise man (foolish man with a couple if good points by sheer luck) very well. Now leave all that nonsense and let’s have tea in my celestial garden! The pot is steaping.’

  77. Spence Tepper

    And when He sends me back, I don’t want to leave. So then he puts me to sleep, so I forget. But I wake happy, without knowing exactly why, and ready to play my role as a failure and a fool with a few decent qualities, once again.
    And when it becomes to painful, he showers with Shabd, draws me back. I cry and hand Him my hurt. And He pulls back the curtain, and I remember His love, and our relationship.
    It’s a daily thing. I have a job to do. That’s all it is.

  78. Sonia

    It’s a daily thing. I have a job to do. That’s all it is.
    Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 05, 2020 at 04:01 PM
    Yes, absolutely. Thanks for your comments. My friend wasn’t involved in any sort of spiritual practice as far as we know. My brother and I were talking about it this afternoon—it’s like (let’s call him Mark) Mark self-medicated and kept his depression hid. And self-medicating is always a bad idea for treating depression. There are still a lot of people—even here in America—who are ashamed to admit they have a mental condition and they just silently suffer until one day they snap. Which is sad because depression and even severe depression is actually treatable.

  79. Spence Tepper

    Hi Sonia
    The person we think has a problem is actually only the visible part of a system that shares some responsibility with them. It’s always a family system. The alcoholic, the addict is a member of an addicted family, culture and toxic workplace even if it appears only they carry the pathology. But the pathology is shared. And what is most sad is that to maintain the status quo it is often necessary for others, subtly, to keep them in their role.
    A friend of mine, the person who brought me to the path, taught me about this. He called it psychic blackmail. The psychiatrist, Murray Bowen, called it the family system. Bowen’s theory went on to become part of systems theory of organizations. It has led to the psychological concept of enabling in addiction psychology. No one is free of the role others around them help perperuate through various subtle behavioral dynamics.
    Bowen coined the phrase undifferentiated ego. Others called it shared ego mass. Basically, against our own will, we identify with the family, the group, the society we are in and participate in its disfunction, share its identity, usually at great personal cost.
    When we emerge psychologically from that shared identity, into our own self, we gain a level of freedom.
    This is also a way of explaining Brian Ji’s work, as well as that of true Saints.
    We learn not to identify with the family, group, organization or culture. In doing so we begin to see its toxicity, and in this way find emergence and a level of freedom from that unconscious but persistent influence. Just as when the addict realizes that to overcome their addiction they must sever ties, often with close family members, friends, work, or religious organizations.

  80. uM

    @ spence
    >> When we emerge psychologically from that shared identity, into our own self, we gain a level of freedom. << I would not state this that categorically as it is doubtful if people can really escape from the imprints in their youth, their conditioning. Even MCS made comments in that direction saying, that although the teachings were passed on unchanged, the way it was taught by individual teachers, was recognizable from their background. To really understand teachings in other fields even those of the beta sciences, one has to research the background of the scientist, musician, etc. Psychoanalysis as developed by Freud becomes clear by grasping in what time he lived and what his family was all about. So .... we marry with our expectations, expectations developed in our childhood etc, and we search for the person that best can fulfill these often unconscious ex[expectations. We all try to recreate the habitat we are born in ... both natural and cultural. Culture being nothing more than the whole of recreation of an habitat. If you delve in the world of children born from an enter racial, national, cultural, religious, social marriage, you will understand the problem. Not being part of the peer group of the father nor the mother, they have to face the difficult of making choices of identity. Finally ... the Dalai Lama said that there is no future for Tibetan Buddhism as it has it roots in the geophysical place it became alive. Concepts and language are related to the soil, the weather etc etc. If you paint the beak of a crow yellow and send him to music class, his voice will remain raspy ... hahahaha The sea, seeing it is always changing never the same ... but that is just the surface ... no doubt interessting and often just the only thing we can deAL WITH.

  81. Spence Tepper

    I am reminded of the three basic stages of meditation, the three rungs of the ladder.
    First, to simply engage in Simran and Dyan, hearing the words and seeing Him, or hearing the words and just sitting in His presence in the dark.
    Next, to become the words, merge with them, put my entire consciousness within them, speaking my whole situation to Him in each word of Simran, engaging Him directly in that dialogue. Simran, and His response, love and peace. And merging with Him to become that love and peace, opening the orchestra that is Him.
    Finally, to merge in the resounding Shabd.
    Let no day’s meditation pass without working through each of these three.

  82. Spence Tepper

    When you can see that the entire world around you is actually constructed of the words of Simran, living and ringing with Shabd, then what these wordly constructions look like, how the blocks have been stacked up by time, chance and impressions, and reactions upon one another, hardly matters, but for the love they are actually made of. And you are that.

  83. 77

    Beautiful to hear that and so without transgressing Brians rules
    Now I see why I need a whole fresh birth to feel fine again =. 🙂
    7. 77

  84. Sonia

    Beautiful to hear that and so without transgressing Brians rules
    Now I see why I need a whole fresh birth to feel fine again =. 🙂
    7. 77
    Posted by: 77 | October 18, 2020 at 09:46 AM
    Funny, I’ve always know that I’d get reincarnated into another life—2040 born in France. 🙂 Not that I really want another life but it’s my destiny. It looked like a nice home with a loving family. I’ve seen it—the vision was as real as my waking state is right now. I guess that means I’ll die before I’m 68.

  85. Sonia

    I had the vision between the time I applied for initiation and actually got initiated. I had this angel or whatever grab my arm and pull me through time to the year 2040 (swear to God). It was so bizarre but like I said it was as really as I am typing this comment right now.

  86. Kumar

    Don’t tell the atheists they won’t believe you

  87. Neptune

    Karma can’t exist without free will and free will isn’t free.

  88. 🙏🌺. 777. 🌺.🙏

    I believe You but dates might vary
    It ws BEFORE initiation
    These fantastic revelations can only be believed if one had some themselves
    like serendipities that atheists have maxi one time per life; mostly “to late”;
    but what is to late!
    ——————————
    What would an All Powerful Being, (God)
    BEYOND TIME , Self Existing, Almighty
    possessing everything , . . still need?
    LOVE is the answer, one can never have enough of that.
    So S/HE does anything imaginable & un-imaginable
    and each resulting quantum or being will transform in LOVE
    Via Karma(s) it may take long ( many many Big Bangs) or flashed ( in a nanosecond)
    the result is fantastic
    You ( Reader here ) are HIM / HER
     
    Even if one Soul per Galaxy succeeds p. year , this is a Giant Stream
    and thatt’ only for this little universe
    of Love
    Please ask the AI_20/500QUBIT IBM Quantum Computer – It will confirm.
    Even a stone will transform in Love
    There is just no other place to go!
    Great concept
    777

  89. 🎸777 🎼

    Neptune
    It ‘s only a misunderstanding about who u are
    Seeing each nanosecond that U are God
    softens largely the eventual ” hardships ”
    and enlarges exponentially the sweetnesses
    Writing this even without mentioning the giant Anahabad Shabd
    777

  90. Sonia

    777,
    Can’t remember if I already shared this with you:
    https://youtu.be/C6hq5cziIHc
    Time isn’t constant. So, nothing is set in stone. Might be a high probability for me but nothing is certain. There’s always that pebble that gets thrown and creates a giant ripple through time-space. We’ll see. Otherwise, look me up in 2040 🙂
    The relativity of time—
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/einsteins-theory-is-proved-and-it-is-bad-news-if-you-own-a-penthouse-2088195.html
    The relativity of time should be a big wake up for Karmists. 😯

  91. amouse

    Shahid Kapoor and his wife keep asking questions that make it sound like there’s a lot of trouble in paradise. They do realize everyone knows their voices, right?

  92. Sonia said : Otherwise, look me up in 2040 :) That would be so nice Like physical laws, yes time is dynamic, ne HE will do that 777.

    Sonia said : Otherwise, look me up in 2040 🙂
    That would be so nice
    Like physical laws, yes time is dynamic, never the same
    Time indeed is a Jeeva , exercising this task
    Nothing exists what is not HER/HIM
    Take care in between but HE will do that
    777. 🍀 🍀.🍀 🍀.🍀 🍀

  93. Sonia

    Has anyone read this book?
    The Mystery of Dr. Johnson’s Death: A Spiritual Scandal in the Punjab
    Book by David C. Lane
    published 2017
    It’s available on audible. I’m going to order it…

  94. Spence Tepper

    “In the midst of hate, I found there was, within me, an invincible love.
    In the midst of tears, I found there was, within me, an invincible smile.
    In the midst of chaos, I found there was, within me, an invincible calm.
    I realized, through it all, that…
    In the midst of winter, I found there was, within me, an invincible summer.
    And that makes me happy. For it says that no matter how hard the world pushes against me, within me, there’s something stronger – something better, pushing right back.”
    ~Albert Camus

  95. Sonia

    @Spence
    Lovely quote 🙂
    Just finished listening to David Lane’s book about the mystery of Julian Johnson’s death. Good Lord, David put a ton of research, facts and details into the book which basically concludes Johnson died from a concussion after a scuffle with a few people at the Dera. Somebody hit Dr. Johnson in the head after an argument. Then Johnson fell and his head hit the pavement. He died a couple of hours later. So, it was an accident. Mystery solved. Some of the details about the Dera, different RS masters and life in India during those times is interesting. But certainly doesn’t sound like it was murder at all—just handled chaotically which led to a hundred different versions of the story. And I don’t think anyone could or would have covered it more thoroughly than Lane.

  96. Sonia

    Like Ranbaxy—so many stories, so many versions. It was messed up like many generic drug companies in India at the time. But Malvinder was running it the same way that his father had. The mistake was selling Ranbaxy because it had too much wrong with it that needed to be cleaned up before selling. Or at least, they should have given full disclosure to DS. But no one knows who’s idea it was to sell. Who was pushing for it… probably the Board but who ran the Board is anyone’s guess. Whoever they were, they had a lot to profit from the sale… short term. Long term it turned into a litigious hell for everyone.

  97. Sonia, Tara, the person who left so many informative comments that I put together into a RSSB insider blog post, says that it was Gurinder Singh Dhillon who was instrumental in selling Ranbaxy. Here’s one of Tara’s comments, along with a link to the blog post. You can do a search for “Ranbaxy” to see other mentions of that company in the blog post.
    https://churchofthechurchless.com/2018/07/devastating-criticism-of-gurinder-singh-dhillon-by-a-rssb-insider
    ———————-
    Nietzsche. Great ! You’ve made the effort to backtrack into Gurinder’s current financial status and what you’ve stated sums up the facts very well. I’m relieved that what I’ve been harping about on the COTC ( that makes me sound like a conspiracy theorist in the process ) has some validation from an independent fellow blogger… 🙂
    My additional thoughts are : Gurinder ordered the Ranbaxy sell-out, and as a faith policy, Shivinder and Malvinder do not over-rule anything HE decides. The final ” go ahead boys ” was given by Gurinder. I know this because the celebratory cheers resounded with a boisterous ” Baba-ji does not make any mistakes ! ” that came from none other than Sunil Godhwani, Baba-ji’s right-hand man.
    Before the news hit the press, everyone knew that a chunk of that booty would be pumped into Religare. Of course, Ranbaxy’s health was generously inflated, but the sell-out was the best possible move from a financial standpoint — considering that the Singh Brothers made quite a mess of the succession when they inherited the company, which subsequently reflected in the company’s performance over the years.
    There was a joke in the corporates circles here that Parminder Singh was in a big shock in heaven when he learnt that Gurinder had advised his sons to sell Ranbaxy. His reaction was : ” What ? Who the f*** is he ? ” ( LOL ) This entire Religare affair that Gurinder’s having with the Singh Brothers is in direct conflict with his role as a Guru, whether he’s teaching 1.0 or 3.0. His insatiable appetite for wealth is sick, specially when there is no charitable initiative for the poorer sections of the Sangat that make up for ninety-five percent of his following.
    IMO, Gurinder wants them to remain hungry and foolish otherwise they will not be interested in the salvation promise, which is why I think that Sant Mat 3.0 will never be introduced to the langar. You are absolutely right about the Mc-Donald’s style of operations at Fortis. Also, the services they provide are the Micky-D’s equivalent of fries and nuggets. It is all about the money, with little regard for ethical practice and human life.
    But, it is interesting to note that post Ranbaxy, none of the Singh Brothers’ businesses have been particularly profitable. It is too early to call, but Fortis is struggling. And, going forward, the competition will intensify. Religare is hemorrhaging under the acumen-devoid leadership of Sunil Godhwani and is showing no signs of recovering. Religare continually gets mini bail-outs from the huge cash reserves that the Singh Brothers are currently sitting on, but the well could dry-up in less than a decade if their current run continues.
    It is also possible that Gurinder could make some bad ( not-so-GIHF ) decisions. Our comments here are forming a valuable archive for those who will seek to find out more, specially after the radical shift in the Sant Mat teachings. I like the Japanese quote, it applies to all of us.

  98. Neo

    Fascinating, Brian. Tara’s comments show how differently RSBeas is experienced depending upon one’s socioeconomic status and proximity to the guru. Beas did not foot the bill for the guru’s jet-setting, the Singh brothers did via (re)Ligare which turned into a massive money pit.

  99. 🙏🌺. 777. 🌺.🙏

    Sonia to me
    Can’t remember if I already shared this with you:
    https://youtu.be/C6hq5cziIHc
    Time isn’t constant. So, nothing is set in stone.
    Yes. in stone until some Jeeva (with His Satch Khand Level of Free will
    is re-carving it in TungstenDiamand
    another Greatness of RSSB with all those already mentioned
    Like with all Brian’s uttering Hell is carved in stone
    but Charan / perhaps a successor changing this
    Remember myself: Seth Shiv Dayal around 1874 – made a Quid pro Pro with me
    proposing : I will change your hell-destiny and save you if you
    spend half your money on a queeste of mine
    I said Yes (see older comments)
    Spence will find such a Saint horrible and chase both of us out of SK!
    777

  100. Sonia

    @777
    Funny. 🙂
    I found it interesting that in Great Master’s day, everyone living at the Dera was expected to put all of their money into a communal pool so that it could be shared among everyone. Very socialist.
    GM also helped appoint the Master of a nearby RS branch when there was a big dispute over successorship. After that the two RS camps became close and shared bhandaras. (I never know where the “h” goes in Indian/Hindi/Punjabi words).
    All of the masters spent a lot of “apprenticeship” time with their Masters before being appointed as the next Master. They never selected a disciple to be Master that they had not worked closely with for years

  101. 777

    Yes Sonia
    Like God – Prakiti
    changes all the time
    and TMnHO Purusha too
    the Saints change ttheir behaviour
    They see Karma interactions much more precisely
    Which human can argue around nanoseconds and trillion big bangs
    This is so long_”time” in action
    f I
    how about the fact that one of our comrades here was an entire
    causal world some ‘time’ ago governing innumerable ParaBrahms
    We really don’t know in what kind of business we are involved
    and SO blocked on all fronts by our so often stupid inner dialogues
    When they use the parabel of flies diving in a flame
    it’s not so bad
    only
    WE will go a la Fibonnacci, like everything in nature
    up to the Galaxies but we go the reversed way
    Following the spiral to the (never) middle , while
    each cm doubling exponentially our Love
    is the way
    We couldn’t t stand if we hadn’t meditated
    777

  102. Sonia

    Hi 777,
    Appreciate your comments… even the ones I don’t understand. 🙂
    I must say this because it’s rather serious (and just came up again)—There is an alarming increase in ppl having very bad experiences during SSY meditation practice (just look at most recent v). Over the years I’ve had numbers of conversations with ppl practicing SSY who described negative experiences in detail and it seems to be increasing especially among the younger INs.
    I don’t think everyone takes this seriously enough. This particular type of yoga meditation actually ***strengthens the mind*** before it moves beyond to a more still space. That can be v negative without proper guidance.
    It doesn’t seem like everyone appreciates the seriousness of this. This is not some sort of prescription that should be dolled out to the masses indiscriminately. That’s like handing out LSD to everyone who walks through the door of a shopping mall.
    ‘Set & Setting’ as they say… = close teacher/student relationship which is impossible to achieve without one on one teaching. Every serious discipline in the world understands this concept. It’s fine to have masses join the Catholic Church because the most serious thing they are going to do is go to confessional every now and then.
    A shaman doesn’t pass out peyote to random ppl at a party. The mind is very, very, very powerful and this practice empowers it 100 fold in order to move it to higher levels.
    ⚠️
    (asterisks for emphasis)

  103. Sonia

    So far, the most disturbing negative experiences with SSY that I’ve heard about were from Eckankar followers. I don’t know what’s going on there… but it’s not something that should be taken lightly in any org.

  104. That's a No-No

    Sonia, you wrote: “It doesn’t seem like everyone appreciates the seriousness of this. This is not some sort of prescription that should be dolled out to the masses indiscriminately. That’s like handing out LSD to everyone who walks through the door of a shopping mall.”
    “‘Set & Setting’ as they say… = close teacher/student relationship which is impossible to achieve without one on one teaching. Every serious discipline in the world understands this concept. It’s fine to have masses join the Catholic Church because the most serious thing they are going to do is go to confessional every now and then.”
    Lol, remind you of RSSB in anyway? No close teacher/student relationship, initiations handed out without discretion. Only difference in your example is that it’s supposedly strengthening the mind. Maybe I’ll go spend some quality one on one personal time with GSD on the Q&A videos…
    Also, Ranbaxy board of directors were appointed RSSB higher ups, so any decisions bad boy Malvinder made had to be approved by the board. Sunil Godhwani famously said I only listen to what my Master says! So GSD has his fingers in the pie. That’s a no-no.

  105. anami

    “WE will go a la Fibonnacci, like everything in nature
    up to the Galaxies but we go the reversed way”
    777,
    We’re astronauts! With that in mind, all the training makes more sense.

  106. Jen

    Being aware of who and what we are…
    A few examples of behaviour a self-actualised person might exhibit include:
    • Finding humour in a given situation.
    • Getting enjoyment and satisfaction out of the present moment.
    • Understanding what they need in order to gain a sense of fulfilment.
    • Tendency to feel secure and unashamed in who they are.

  107. 💛💛💛💛💛 

    @Jen
    and be/ feel superhumanly_happy and invincible
    Being in Love – it ever grows – it ever grows
    When we visited Beas even the land had those qualities
    this blog is. not the place to ask about that, . . I guess
    Apart from GSD radiating lights – the buildings he has constructed
    beautiful
    they give me Darshan as well – no wonder
    777

  108. Jen

    777 you say…
    “and be/ feel superhumanly_happy and invincible
    Being in Love – it ever grows – it ever grows”
    The understanding of the different types of love is interesting because there are so many types of this so called ‘Love’ and many people believe in some kind of God or guru or religion, which can also be some kind of self delusion. We can definitely learn from others but then there is this loving one’s own self which is not always that easy. I like this quote…
    “When you truly love yourself, you realise that confidence comes from within and that no one can make you feel as good or as happy as yourself. You become less likely to feel pressured to do things just to be liked. Caring less about the opinions of others gives you the freedom to walk your own path and be your genuine self.”

  109. s*

    Jen,
    This feels very true to me..
    I got this feeling trough mindfulness more and more..
    Feeling what is ´happening´ inside,
    makes one closer and more initimate with ones own self..
    Then one can even feel ´at home wherever one may be´
    Words are not sufficient really..
    <3

  110. 777- 💛

    Do the olympics
    -WITH a trainer
    or
    -WITHOUT a trainer
    long ago I trained for Melbourne Olympics ( 24.5 sec 50M 1956 butterfly) without a trainer
    so I learned about that
    777

  111. Spence Tepper

    There are no more words when the pull comes. When the inner pull comes to take us inside, into our own place, let it speak to us. Let us listen to it. Honor the pull, our true Master.

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