This is Part 3 of a three-part series of guest blog posts from “Anon,” an ex-RSSB initiate. Part 1 is “RSSB trauma is an example of spiritual abuse.” Part 2 is “Here’s thirty-five RSSB trauma issues.” RSSB stands for Radha Soami Satsang Beas, a religious organization based in India and headed up by a guru that I belonged to for over three decades.
I found a similar list a long time ago by ex Christians who struggled with their faith and left. Some of the struggles were relevant, as spiritual/religious trauma has some similar themes. The RSSB list is a bit more specific to the RSSB faith.
If you’ve read the list and find some of it (or all of it) reflects you – consider if it’s time to take a break from RSSB. You don’t have to wake up one morning and announce a departure. It may take time and you may wind it back slowly over time.
It may help to treat it like a “diet” (such as going “sugar free”).
Do a short RSSB-free trial and see how you feel. You don’t need to tell anyone (it may risk RSSB efforts to pull you back).
Some guidance:
>Stop the restrictive diet and eat everything – get all your vitamins in from meat and/or animal products. No food pressure (you’ve had enough). Get well fed.
>Stop reducing sleep and put 2.5 hours into your sleep again (if you cut it from sleep). Get well rested.
>Social life – avoid seva and satsang. Connect with the people you love (maybe friends or family) but not at RSSB – meet outside RSSB. Get away from RSSB places.
>Enjoy yourself – start enjoying the desserts you love, have a cake, or have one drink with a meal, or eat the gummy sweets. Remove the pressure.
>Remove all RSSB books and photos from view. Get mental rest.
>Avoid RSSB content (e.g. videos, website) and conversations and shabds/music. Get spiritual rest.
>Connect with people you love who are not RSSB – family or friends. Get outside the RSSB echo chamber.
Once you’ve had your RSSB free period (and you feel better and have made your mind up) – there are a few things to consider.
>RSSB may have totally put you off. There are many atheists and agnostics, or people who just quietly believe. However RSSB people may continue to pressure you back in the “absence” of faith – they will try to “fill the gap”.
>As RSSB is “a spiritual path and not a religion” you can return to your major organised religion if you need a “safety net” (the one you tick on the box on forms). This may also help stop a lot of RSSB pressure. It may be much easier to just say “not my religion” going forwards.
>You can also genuinely return to your original organised religion or explore another religion – if faith is important to you.
>If you can’t totally leave RSSB (e.g. due to a partner or parents in it – set boundaries and be firm with those in it).
>DO NOT pick a partner with any ties to RSSB. This can be a major source of hoovering back.
Anon
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Sheesh, I’ll ask for advice when I need another vice. I’d rather stay vegetarian and just start doing heroin. But to each his own. Sounds like some daddy issues. I’m glad I never went to church or meditated enough to get crazy. I’ll tell you what if you can’t find a partner just grab a wooden chair and let’s rock!
>> >DO NOT pick a partner with any ties to RSSB. This can be a major source of hoovering back.<<
Hahahaha
Hahahahahaha
Hahahahahahaha
If you do not want to leaf the path you are on DO NOT pick an ATHEIST partner
Hahahaha
I married a nice Unitarian.
From the time I was actively associated with the organisation, by now, quite a while ago, I had conversations with several “brothers” that were emotional blackmailed by their spuses … IF you do [ xxxx = something related to them being on the path and or active in the organisation] I will divorce you.
Hahaha ..some times i would ädvice” them in this way:
Stand before your wife, very close to her face, look her straight in the eyes without blinking and then say:
Look darling, I did not hear quite well what you said, but if it is what i heard, I warn you not to do it again ..not even once .. as I will kick you out ..now heed my words.
Haahaha.. poor characters that had to serve their spouses a lie in order to go to satsang. Grown up man and often ceo’s of companies.
Maybe it is this the “eden syndrome” EVE forcing her husband ADAM to eat from the forbidden fruit.
They started life by being breast fed, kept alive, by woman, by EVE … and developed an survival fear for women.
Yes I’ve seen couples within that religious organization break up and commit adultery and everything else that regular people do. That’s what they don’t understand is that they’re just regular people and nothing special. What I’d like to know is why someone like Gurinder would have to write a letter and send it to everyone he knows that he did not have sex with that Sheena woman. It’s always the guilty master that tells on himself. He’ll be around for several more years with this hypochondriac narcissistic self. Looking for pity.
@ Ronald
I read your words and many both inside and outside the organisation will share your point of view.
To me these things are immaterial.
Why?
Well, As long as somebody has faith in the narrative of sant mat, and he needs that faith to continue his practice, he has to believe that it is “all in his hands”, the lords will, his Mauj.
Or to put it in my own words ..I one wants to walk this path and at the same time act, think and feel as one is used to do at home, or at work etc, one is best adviose to step of the path and stay at home and at work.
That said about the narrative, it is not in my character to be very much interested in judging my surroundings. As an example I have used here in the past the metaphor of “a guest going out for a diner in a restaurant”.
If being in the restaurant, something appears that I do not like, I will get up and go away, and not to return again. If I do no like the food served, that “disliking” is enough to go and there is no need to ponder about the chef’s qualities let alone what he is doing in his private sphere.
That said, and I cannot stress that enough, the fact that I like or dislike what is served can not and should not be seen as a qualification of the food served or those that prepared it.
I liked the company of the late MCS, his teachings etc etc ..BUT .. my liking doesn’t make him a guru, master let alone a perfect master …..AND …. for the simple reason I do not have the qualifications to “measure” it … I am just a simple consumer.
Whatever little personal interaction I had with MCS’s succesor gives me no reason to complain …the rest is all what was put before me as a matter of hearsay.
For a while in the past I did listen to his Q&A and was often very much amused by the way how he played the game ..he can be very funny ..that said I understand that that need not be the case for those that are asking a question and being emotionaly involved in it.
Anyway ..this is all bygone ..and these days, I more and more start to question myself as to why I write and read here at all.
This is a really thoughtful and kind article. I appreciate how calm and practical it is, and how it doesn’t push anyone to make sudden decisions or announcements. Treating stepping back from RSSB like a “diet” or a trial period really makes sense — it takes the pressure off and lets people notice how they actually feel.
The emphasis on rest really stood out to me: physical rest, mental rest, social rest, and even spiritual rest. Eating properly again, sleeping enough, reconnecting with people outside RSSB, and removing constant reminders all feel like basic but often ignored needs. It’s not about rebellion — it’s about recovery.
I also think the later points are very realistic and honest. Acknowledging family pressure, the difficulty of fully leaving for some people, and the idea of setting boundaries instead of dramatic exits will resonate with a lot of readers. And I like that it leaves room for people to end up wherever feels right for them — faith, no faith, or something in between.
I personally know a family in India where the wife follows RSSB very strictly. She goes to the centre every weekend (Saturday and Sunday) and also during the week. They have two kids, and the husband and children hardly see her on weekends. Whenever the husband cooks non-veg food at home, it leads to big fights. The kids are suffering, but she doesn’t seem able to see it.
She doesn’t work and spends most of her time watching RSSB videos on YouTube or talking on the phone with RSSB followers. Their family life is clearly suffering. Following RSSB has cost her professionally, personally, socially, and financially, but none of that seems to matter to her. The only thing that matters to her is the belief that one day GSD will come at the end of her life and take her to Sachkhand. She has no friends outside RSSB and gives credit to GSD for everything in her life, even things mostly provided by her husband.
For me, spirituality should show up as kindness, understanding, politeness, and respect for other human beings. But according to her husband, she can be very aggressive at time. That contradiction is deeply troubling.
The husband is extremely frustrated but doesn’t want a divorce because of the children. From the outside, it’s hard not to wonder whether this is devotion or something closer to brainwashing. Many RSSB followers I know don’t even seem to believe in God anymore — GSD is God to them. Preachers often quote saints in ways that emphasise worship of the Guru, and then directly link that Guru to GSD. With the introductionof new Baba Gill, it also feels like there is a strong PR push online to promote his image, especially on YouTube.(But there is nothing about his personal spiritual achievement apart from he is related to GSD)
That’s why this article matters. It gives people permission to pause, step back, and honestly look at how this path is affecting their real lives and relationships — without fear, guilt, or pressure.
Well I’ve had personal experience with Babaji that I guess not many other people have had except possibly Mr Gill. Except they’ve consummated their relationship and I’m just waiting at the altar. But yeah from what I see I’m just glad to have a place to say anything because it’s always the same few people that do all the talking at those religious meetings. And if I do say so myself they are boring people. I guess us ones that have actually had inner experiences and happy to be with or without any guru aren’t needed there. I find that Gurinder uses people like they are his little pawns and I don’t envy his position because I’m not a user of people more than I have to. The interesting thing is what Paul McCartney said about the guru man. He’s got a lot of influence in England because England believes in Kings. They need to have one day a year or a month here at Churchless where we can post pictures to this web page. I’m not trying to hide and it’d be interesting because a picture is worth a thousand words. I don’t like religion and I don’t like big business and when you combine the two there’s nothing to like at all.
When someone asked Babaji many years ago if there was any method other than meditation to achieve enlightenment he replied yes there is one other way and it’s through submission. But meditation is easier. And if you look at the Great Masters book My Submission he describes the teachings better than anyone before or since. Personally I was never trying to achieve anything. I already knew the second you close your eyes and see the darkness you’re right there inside. Instantly. But a picture would describe it better than me going on and on about it. I never expected anything but I never wanted next to nothing and that’s all Gurinder had ever had to offer.
@ Ronald
I manged to follow and understand? what you wrote until were you start with “Personally i was never ….”
From what you write I get that you have or had in inner experience, something that made my dear late friend and lifelong companion on the path, say after he had his experience: “what you people seek whole day outside, is whole day with me inside” after which he turned his back upon everything related to Sant mat and did not want anything to do with it or for it. Needs to be mentioned here that I have known nobody that enjoyed his time with Santmat as he did.
So I am puzzeled reading your words and the relation you have with MGS
@Um. Did your friend quit having inner experiences? Did he continue to meditate yet not go to Satsang? Trying to understand turning his back? Thanks
@ Alex
“Turning his back”, Alex is my appreciation of what little managed to make him say. Maybe “turning his back upon the organisation [after 1990] would be better.
I would like to answer your question but I can’t because whatever I have to say are my personal observations understandings etc
Whatever I came to know about the content of his experience(s) were his poems and songs he asked me to type out
Let me state this much in order to prevent any misunderstanding here .. Turning his back, had nothing to do with any qualification of anything or anybody outside himself .. in that sense he was like me, there was no longer any need for him to go to a “restaurant”….and .. the two of us worked for years together in that “restaurant” with great, pleasure and when we finally left .. we did not leave empty handed or with negative feelings.
https://ia801409.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/29/items/rekap-sd-08072023/REKAP%20SD%2008072023.zip&file=REKAP%20SD%2008072023%2F1%20DATA%2F2%20EXTRA%2FEBOOK%2FEBOOK%20TAO%2FTao%20te%20ching_%20annotated%20_%20expla%20-%20Derek%20Lin%20ENG.pdf
Read page 61 of the PDF = chapter 18 of Lao Zi’s “tao te ching”
especially the annotaton an explanation nr [3] by lama surya das on the following pages of the PDF
It is his way of pointing at the small door, ar narrow path pointed at by mystics when they say: “Love your enemie”
Please do remember … that those admonitions by mystics have NO-THING to do with the person of the enemy, let alone his or her behaviour ..NOTHING at all … the speaker is adressing the one that faces an enemy or unwanted behavior of others.
The mystic asks to step apart from what one is used to do at home and or at work and seek a new approach to the situation.
Correction:
The book has only a foreword by the named lama and was written by Derek Lin.
This ‘diet’ reads like a pathway out of prison; no doubt it is! If this is true with regard to RSSB then there are similarities (as I mentioned previously) with some orthodox religions and also with other types of organisations.
I met an elderly gentleman a few years ago who, while talking, became quite upset at having realised that he had spent all of his life under a cloak of fear and guilt through his Catholic faith or indoctrination. So, this ‘diet’ could serve many estranged groups of people.
It is though, a fairly normal happening that young people in searching for something – perhaps for who or what they are – gravitate toward all manner of organisations – worldly or spiritual. It is unfortunate if they end up in one with a particularly obnoxious leader and group.
Several that I was involved with were luckily very open and even supportive. But even so, my initial grounding in religions and cults carried me through to the point where none of this circus was necessary. In fact, I would say that an initial awareness of one’s place in life, in the sense of the natural world, helps keep one’s feet on the Earth. But that’s not everyone’s way, basically it’s just ‘the luck of the draw’.
Even so, we still have a strong tendency toward feeling that we are ’missing out’, that there is something more. Maybe if we were to discover the reason, we gravitate toward something more, something more than the realities of the remarkable world we live in, then perhaps we may discover that there is nothing more to discover other than what our senses are always conveying to us every moment.
It simply means treating concepts and conjectures as the mental noise that they are, and no different from the cacophony of thoughts that are always, automatically arising.
@ Ron E.
Take a sip of tea and ponder for a while how the world would look like if it was populated with people all thinking etc as you do.
Not that there is something wrong with your point of view
What I mean at is that the world can not be populated with everybody being a [zen] monk, a mystic, etc etc.
You have as you write outgrown what you did earlier in life but does that make those things “a circus act”.
That gentle man has outsourced his personal responsibility on the church and in doing so he made himself into a victim. There are other ways to depart.
“Stop the restrictive diet and eat everything – get all your vitamins in from meat and/or animal products. No food pressure (you’ve had enough). Get well fed.”
Really?
What a load of bullshit…. oops, that too is animal.
In any case, sounds like RFK jr is posting here.
@ Rinku
>> ….. and honestly look at how this path is affecting their real lives and relationships — without fear, guilt, or pressure.<<
The path has no legs, arms, body,. No brain, no thoughts no feelings … it is not a person … it does not excist in that sense, it does not act and as it has not the power ot act it can not inflict any harm to anybody or anything.
That said Rinku …
Humans act and they all do it according their personal interests, irrespective of who they are … and all are responsible for what they do, the decisions they make … even the guru.
Religion in any form, is just an tool and tools can be handled in different ways, to do good or bad.
The lady you bring up to p[rove your point is just USING her beliefs and her relationship with RSSB as it SUITS HER she is not forced by anybody to do it as she does.
Christ did not prescribe the inquisition, the forced conversion of indigenous people. Nor did he ordered to split in fractions an kill in his name as is doen for centuries in Europe between Roman Catholics and Calvinist Protestants …The blood that was shed and the misery brought upon fellow human beings was all done by humans …USING their religious believes to kill and be killed
The list is endless ….
People love to act and to wash their hands as pilate did.
Whatever is done is done by humans for their own selfish reasons …. of course when you cripple a complete population in such an way that it takes generations to recover as is happening in GAZA it feels good to make one self belief that one is fighting terrorists or protecting the world.
If RSSB would be the cause of what is happening in the House of that lady, than it makes no sense to address her or others with advises … in that case one should start a legal course before the high court to forbid the organisation
Rinku
In France , Russia and China people revolte against the worldly and religious authorities of the day.
Now so many decades later are the evils they attributed to the religious clergy and the nobility of their land, disappeared from the earth?
If not how come??
Because they did not change humans ..others took their places, did put on other cermonial clothes etc and otherwise all remained as before .. or sometimes got worse.
RSSB TRAUMATISED SANGAT
Gurinder Singh Dhillon says alot lot but its all garbage and should be binned
He goes on about all the other religions in the world but why, he isn’t a religion as he says, so is he putting them all down or showing the world he’s going on about nothings.
There’s no truth to anything he has ever said sitting on that mountain up there on stage acting all Godly as others sit way down there at his feet.
High and mighty egotisticaly big headed as a know it all who contradictes everything in life he himself say.
Dogma Dog
Lives off others land and money and acts like an God sent man
He’s not even a Man
Who earns a honest living and pays his own way through life has he? Ever? Never
Same goes for his family too
Ridiculing the sangat who can’t see anything and can’t hear anything beyond his lies.
Gurinder is no God not even a God man
He’s a Con man who has lived a lie of a life and still does.
Don’t believe this Baba who has no proof or facts about what he says on stage and off
Gurinders Shameless act is over and so is he
DON’T have anything to do with this insidious sick evil Devil ridden Radha Soami Cult and Gurinder Singh Dhilion and that New Clown Jassdeep Fake Baba too.
Now there’s 2 idiots whatever next, 3 ?
Don’t go near any Radha Soami followers let alone get married in hell with some woman from this cult they are pure evil and abuse they’re partners.
This is the Devils own religion with the Initiate repeating the Devils 5 names constantly so the individual gets possessed by the devil Inside and doesn’t waver the path, whi h leads to a Hell
Now Jassdeep sits on stage and does Devils dirty work with Gurinder so they can live the lives they always wanted, power , greed and ego with womanising to they’re hearts content.
How sickening soamis are these 2.
Hi Trez.
I am an initiate of the RS path. I actually have broken the vows. My question to you is how do you know that the 5 words are the devil’s words?
MGS being Gill? My relation to him is that I was also told to let my beard grow long and when that day comes after Gurinder’s death that he was going to leave two teachers in his place. One being here in America. Except Gill was appointed before Gurinder even died . And that’s a first . I have not initiated anyone and apparently neither has Mr Gill. All the initiations take place on a inner plane done by God Itself. Not by man. Anyway I know I’m losing the plot. I’ve already left that restaurant never to return in the same capacity.
Rinku , who commented on this post , said it all. I’m not seeking attention I’m just dealing with trauma.
And here is a diet for those wishing to flee from the rampant narcissism found in Nihilism driven by an unchecked hedonism.
1. Love something or someone greater than yourself, even by your own flawed standards. Find them. No excuses. Don’t blame them for your own shortcomings. If they don’t rush to your rescue when you call, let that longing grow, even from the distance between you. Let it make you a better person. That love will save you from yourself.
2. Practice deferred gratification. Every great being does it. It’s all the rage among life long high achievers. Set your goal and build it within yourself with the help of real friends. A real friend won’t short circuit the process. They to tell you the Ugly truth about yourself. You can take it. Find the better you within you.
3. Don’t run. Accept. Be happy with the higher understanding that you must live as you are, right now, though you most certainly work upwards. No escape from this or any other moment.
4. Don’t harm other beings just to gratify yourself. You debase yourself, and were meant for more.
5. Don’t be lazy. Find pleasure in the process.
@ Spence T. and others
Only those that have received the gift of an inner experience after a trauma, can and probably will act as you describe.
For those that love to see how that works out in practice, they might sit down with not a cup but an thermos of good coffee and some sweets and watch the the life story of Father Lazarus El Anthony, who was an Australian atheist, teaching philosophy at the university, had an severe mental trauma and ended up in the Egyptian dessert to live as the early Christian dessert fathers had done.
Start, if you will, with episode one, that is number 21 of the list of video’s ..there is a video where all the episodes are combined but I cannot find it now:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFF0AE2889CB3EA46
And Spence …before I forget there was an journalist that wanted to know how life as an dessert father was like and asked and was granted permission to stay with father el antony and to live a couple of weeks as he does.
Even zoeken ..AI is toch handig … hahaha
The person you are referring to is Peter Owen Jones, an Anglican vicar and journalist. The documentary is part of the BBC series titled Extreme Pilgrim, which originally aired in 2008.
In the episode titled “Asceticism” (or “Ascetic Christianity”), Jones travels to the Egyptian desert to live with Father Lazarus El Antony, a former Australian university lecturer who became a Coptic Orthodox monk.
Where to find the video:
YouTube:
You can watch the full episode by searching for Extreme Pilgrim – Ascetic Christianity.
Vimeo:
A shorter, award-winning documentary focusing solely on Father Lazarus called The Last Anchorite is also available.
Coptic Youth Channel:
Father Lazarus has his own extensive series of talks and spiritual lessons available on the Monk’s Life playlist.
Father Lazarus is well-known for his move from a Marxist, atheistic background to a life of complete solitude in a cave near the Monastery of Saint Anthony.
Very nice reply Rinku. ‘Im sure Anon’ and Brian will appreciate your comments. After all, such is what this blog of Brian’s is all about.
Part of the interaction with AI:
Your statement:
“How on earth do you want to demonstrate that a difference exists, let alone address the question of whether such a reality exists at all? Mystics experience it as an existing reality, but they do so through their bodies. That doesn’t mean that this reality also exists in and of itself.”
The AI response:
“You hit the nail on the head: scientifically and objectively, that difference cannot be demonstrated.
We are at the boundary of neurophenomenology, where the gap between a subjective experience and an objective measurement seems unbridgeable.
The problem with proving an ‘independent reality’ is twofold:
[1] The Biological Prison:
Every experience a human has is, by definition, filtered through the nervous system and the brain. Whether you are looking at a tree or having a sense of ‘oneness,’ you experience it through your body. There is no ‘view from nowhere’ to check if the experience corresponds to an external source.
[2]Circularity:
The claim that a reality exists ‘behind the veil’ is a metaphysical assumption, not an empirical one. For mystics, the experience is so overwhelming and ‘more real than real’ that they see the experience itself as proof. To an outsider, however, it remains an internal, neurological process.
[3] Why the distinction is made nonetheless:
The distinction is primarily used in philosophy and psychology to interpret the meaning of the experience:
[a] If it is a purely biological mechanism, the process could theoretically be explained by looking at neurotransmitters like DMT or serotonin. The experience is then ‘false’ in the sense that there is no external object attached to it.
[B]The ‘veil theory’ is mainly a working hypothesis by thinkers like Aldous Huxley and William James. They argued that the brain must limit the vast amount of cosmic data for us to survive. Trauma breaks that limitation.
In fact, your position confirms a purely materialistic viewpoint:
if the body (the brain) stops the process, the reality stops. Everything we call ‘mystical’ is then a complex reaction of an organism in distress.”
Question:
Does the fact that the healing is ‘merely’ a biological byproduct of trauma change how we should value the moral or personal transformation it produces?
Janis Joplin told my drummer one time ” there’s two kinds of musicians. Talking musicians and working musicians, which kind are you? ” . Because Sonny rapped so much to her and wouldn’t shut up but he was like that with everybody. So now with my experience as a master I can apply what I’ve learned from rock and roll (yes that’s how old I am). There’s two kinds of meditators, talking meditators and meditating meditators, which kind are you?
Anyway through the years since I started talking to Babaji 20 years ago (about the same time people noticed a change in his happy-go-lucky attitude at the time and it was because of me) . But anyway he took a lot of my personal messages and made satsangs and suck songs out of them. That one about closing your eyes and seeing the darkness and Bam you’re inside meditating just like that that’s all it takes to start. In the time I took to talk about it I could have been doing it but I’ve done plenty. Dealing with Criticism (2:02-2:35): Baba Ji explains that criticism can be a valuable tool for self-improvement, helping individuals identify and correct their flaws, likening critics to good friends
I don’t know why he told me to grow a beard long because an online guru doesn’t really need one he can invent one. I might shave after he dies but don’t tell him. I would never accept spiritual directions from AI because it’s never done a second of meditation and has no soul.
Grow a beard? Of course. 😀
You know how the beard magically appears the moment someone becomes Baba. Before being appointed as the Baba of RSSB, both GSD and Gill were perfectly fine trimming their beards like regular mortals.
But once the title arrives, so does the full, flowing beard—almost as if enlightenment is stored in facial hair. Apparently, a long beard helps impress people and makes them listen more carefully. Wisdom, it seems, travels better when framed by a majestic beard.
I’m still not sure what the spiritual connection between God and beard growth is, but in RSSB guruship, growing a beard looks less like a spiritual awakening and more like a mandatory uniform. Over time, it has become a tradition: no beard, no gravitas; full beard, instant Baba credibility.
@Ronald
Apart from that several times having problem understanding what you write .. as in the last message .. with regard to criticism .. he is presenting the same point of view as his Uncle …. his uncle did not use it for ALL sorts of criticism and not with regard to all people expressing criticism.
Sometimes one is well served by taking criticism at heart but at other times it is best ignored.
So far you’re the only one that doesn’t understand it and that’s probably just the language or ethnic barrier. I don’t have a problem with not being understood. I mumble a lot but usually over a microphone
These aren’t messages. These are public posts. So if I’m affecting you in a personal way well that’s my artist in me. I’m a lyricist a musician and a poet so sometimes you need meaningless words to fill up a few beats to get to the good part. The lead guitar. We now have two martyrs in the good old USA. Pretti Good. I might use that as my stage name
@ Ronald
|Hahaha ..YOU need not have a problem with it …. but I do. ..I love to understand what ba writer tries to communicate.
Yes language etc might be a problem.
@ Ronald
There you touch a soft spot ..
I was never much interested in music, had troubles hearing lyrics and if I did had problems understanding them …I am an poetic uneducated barbarian.
My dear late friend was a bas-guitarist in one of the early rock bands and later after having inner experiences wrote many poems and songs to express what he went through. He asked me to type them out, what i did but they were meaningless to me.
And my remarks about music of the time and the painting works of his friends made him keep me out of that part of his life … but being an ceramist also we went together many a time visiting musea with ceramic art and that was a great pleasure as my down playing of what I saw made him laugh …and agreed with ..probaly because he was not emotional attached to his ceramic works …hahaha
And Ronald
I start to realize that people like yourself, and the honorable gentlemen like:
SpenceTepper,
Ron E.
Bryan Hynes
all others that are not writting here at the moment like:
Manjit,
Mr. Sutherland
Sant 64
The many others that I forget of cannot recall their names …
all of them deserve a better public that would do justice to what all of you have accomplished in life both material and spiritual.
The question arises why does who write here!
Oddly enough I’ve had that same thought especially about Brian. But my excuse is that I’m not on any social media and this is about the total extent of my online activity. I’m trying to get Angelina Jolie to sponsor my podcast though. I’d like to join a dating site too.
Ironic as it is coming from a vegetarian, glad to hear that the vegetarian diet is “trauma.” I’ve long believed that the veg diet is the only objectively harmful part of Sant Mat.
Just the other day, a lifelong vegetarian friend (his parents were Sai Baba devotees) told me that he’d recently started eating meat. His iron levels were dangerously low, and it’s far more effective to get iron from meat than from supplements.
In other cult news, I’m fascinated at the number of professionals who are throwing their careers away for the sake of making violent TikTok videos. A good portion of the country has lost its mind, somehow forgetting that we had an election where removing illegals was to be job 1. These cultists seem to believe that the world has been invaded by ICE men from another galaxy. Their advocacy for violence is truly disturbing to me. But never mind that, let us pretend RSSB is evil.
“Their advocacy for violence is truly disturbing to me.”
Of course, there is no violence in killing animals for food. BTW, you can get Iron without resorting to killing and eating animals.
Not that hard, and, btw, way easier than developing slaughterhouses.
Oh and why are you watching violent TikTok videos? Watching them just feeds the algorithm.
Signed,
Donald Trump’s lost nephew
Just got this with a quick search. Maybe helpful for those who want to avoid eating animals.
How Vegetarians Can Manage Iron Intake
Eat Iron-Rich Foods: Include lentils, beans, chickpeas, tofu, fortified cereals, spinach, and dried fruits.
Boost Absorption with Vitamin C: Pair iron sources with foods high in Vitamin C (citrus fruits, bell peppers, broccoli).
Limit Inhibitors: Avoid drinking tea, coffee, or milk with iron-rich meals, as they can block absorption.
Consider Cast Iron: Cooking in cast-iron pans can increase iron content in food.
Is Low Iron Always a Problem?
While lower stores are common, many vegetarians in developed countries don’t experience adverse effects, as plant-based diets can also reduce risks for other chronic diseases.
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Gurinder Singh Dhillon says alot lot but its all garbage and should be binned
He goes on about all the other religions in the world but why, he isn’t a religion as he says, so is he putting them all down or showing the world he’s going on about nothings.
There’s no truth to anything he has ever said sitting on that mountain up there on stage acting all Godly as others sit way down there at his feet.
High and mighty egotisticaly big headed as a know it all who contradictes everything in life he himself say.
Dogma Dog
Lives off others land and money and acts like an God sent man
He’s not even a Man
Who earns a honest living and pays his own way through life has he? Ever? Never
Same goes for his family too
Ridiculing the sangat who can’t see anything and can’t hear anything beyond his lies.
Gurinder is no God not even a God man
He’s a Con man who has lived a lie of a life and still does.
Don’t believe this Baba who has no proof or facts about what he says on stage and off
Gurinders Shameless act is over and so is he
DON’T have anything to do with this insidious sick evil Devil ridden Radha Soami Cult and Gurinder Singh Dhilion and that New Clown Jassdeep Fake Baba too.
Now there’s 2 idiots whatever next, 3 ?
Don’t go near any Radha Soami followers let alone get married in hell with some woman from this cult they are pure evil and abuse they’re partners.
This is the Devils own religion with the Initiate repeating the Devils 5 names constantly so the individual gets possessed by the devil Inside and doesn’t waver the path, whi h leads to a Hell
Now Jassdeep sits on stage and does Devils dirty work with Gurinder so they can live the lives they always wanted, power , greed and ego with womanising to they’re hearts content.
How sickening soamis are these 2.
Gurinder is on the run. Hes ran away and hiding from the shame and embarrasment and calls this retirement. Theres gonna be allot of angry sevadars when they find out the gurinder was just pretending to be a god and loving the atrention. The peodophile sympathysing womeniser baba of beas is going through his karma for his sickly acts. Theres much more karma left to get, you will not get away with it, god will serve his justice.