“Guru” often is used in a way that goes against the original meaning of the word, a religious or spiritual guide. The literal translation apparently is dispeller of darkness. So I guess a lighthouse keeper would definitely be a guru.
More broadly, guru can mean a skilled instructor. If a golfer benefits from some putting tips provided by the club pro, they might say “That guy is a real golf guru.”
We all need that sort of advice from someone knowledgeable about a particular area. When I contact my doctor’s office about a health problem that has popped up, I have considerable confidence in what they think I should do. After all, they are medical professionals who know me, and I know them.
I could ask the same question of an A.I. model, and indeed, I frequently do that also. But I put more stock in what my doctor’s office says, as their advice is more personalized to me and my particular situation.
Spiritual gurus, though, typically are much more generalized. And not in a good way. Meaning, their advice tends to be one size fits all. Robert Saltzman says in his book, Depending on no-thing:
Numerous gurus, guides, and spiritual teachers — to say nothing about the gang of self-help authors eager to sell books — offer advice on this matter [spiritual unfoldment], but many of the people who come to me for therapy have not found such advice to be particularly helpful. In fact, some have found such advice to be demeaning, misleading, or confusing, and have come to psychotherapy partly in order to try to sort out the confusion or heal the damage.
This happens, I believe, because the advice of such gurus and spiritual teachers almost always refers either to some traditional religious practices which are to be followed more or less blindly, regardless of individual temperament or individual need; or else depends on what that particular teacher believes has been helpful in his or her own approach to spirituality.
But my experience tells me that each person much find his or her own way to ‘unfold,” and that following a doctrinal religious system or the generalized advice of a guru is not likely to do the job. As Jiddu Krishnamurti put this, “Truth is a pathless land.”
When I started studying and teaching yoga in college way back in 1970 (I enjoy sharing an unposed photo taken of me then), I thought that the notion of four basic types of yoga made sense. Pick and choose the type that best fits you.
1. Karma Yoga – the yoga of action and selfless service
2. Bhakti Yoga – the yoga of devotion
3. Rāja Yoga – the yoga of meditation
4. Jñāna Yoga – the yoga of will and intellect
But even this strikes me now as much too general. For example, there’s good reason to believe that there’s no need to engage in any sort of path that supposedly leads to our True Self. Who we are right here and right now might be the only “yoga” we need — union with the present moment, no matter what it consists of. Spiritual searching of any sort might take us farther away from reality, not closer.
Saltzman has an interesting chapter called “The artist versus the art.” It consists of responses Saltzman made to people who asked him about the oft-observed phenomenon of religious or spiritual teachers either behaving badly toward other people (sex abuse, for example) or toward themselves (alcoholism, for example).
Alan Watts was discussed. One of Watts’ children, Anne Watts, said to Saltzman:
Ram Dass once said to me, “Alan knew it, and knew that he, Alan, wasn’t it.” That landed well for me. Humans seem to have a need to idolize people. Then they are disappointed when they discover that those people’s lives do not match their picture of who they should be — so then they knock them off the pedestal. Well, they never should have put them there in the first place!
Anne Watts also shared something she copied out of one of her father’s books, This Is It. The last paragraph strikes me as wonderfully wise. Alan Watts wrote:
These experiences, reinforced by others that have followed, have been the enlivening force of all my work in writing and philosophy since that time, though I have come to realize that how I feel, whether the actual sensation of freedom or clarity is present or not, is not the point — for, again, to feel heavy or restricted is also IT.
But with this point of departure, a philosopher is faced with a strange problem of communication, especially to the degree that his philosophy seems to have some affinity with religion.
People appear to be under the fixed impression that one speaks or writes of these things in order to improve them or do them some good, assuming, too, that the speaker himself has been improved and is able to speak with authority. In other words, the philosopher is forced into the role of preacher, and in turn, is expected to practice what he preaches.
Thereupon the truth of what he says is tested by his character and his morals — whether he shows anxiety or not, whether he depends upon “material crutches” such as wine or tobacco, whether he has stomach ulcers or likes money, whether he loses his temper, or gets depressed, or falls in love when he shouldn’t, or sometimes looks a bit tired and frayed at the edges.
All these criteria might be valid if the philosopher were preaching freedom from being human, or if he were trying to make himself and others radically better.
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Look for Gurinder Singh Dhillon to die this May 5th. And that’ll be a short trip because he’s been living as a ghost his whole life. But I was told that by sources I can’t reveal because I don’t want to be accused of following anything. And when it does happen don’t follow me. You may however refer back to this public post . All things must pass away.
Cinco de Mayo.
There’s a window between then and All saints Day. My vision gets cloudy at that point. It might be a Freudian slip.
# Ronald
After reading your words I took a shower, and when i was enjoying the water coming down I was thinking abou your words.
Suppose, that he is going to die that day or any day later, by natural or other cause, what is going to happen with those that are left behind.?
Those that loved him in some manner, those that hated im in some manner and all the other mental make up’s one can imagine to exist?!
Some, maybe most, having projected their thoughts and feelings upon him, will be sad or rejoice in the event.
However, projection is an illusion, so whether they think that their love or hatred will be burned with his ashes and resolved in the river forget that their feelings and thoughts cannot be burned, they cannot separate themselves.
Some will realize that upon the burning to ashes their object of love and hatred does not free them from these emotions. They will also know that they have cultivated these emotions, emotions that have grown over the years and years of feeding them with energy.
Now think for a moment what will happen with many a writer here in this blog when he is no longer around!
People like myself, will have their coffee as before, an nothing will be lost for them, they remain who they were and continue to have what they had but what will happen to those that outsourced their feelings, projected them on him …. they too will have to deal with the feelings of love and hatred as before and missing now that object of projection what will happen to them?
Nothing matters in the world. Facts are meaningless and have no value. bur what matters is what a person does with it and what he does with it affects him or her.
The honorable Baba Sawan Singh is said to have said with regard to anger . If you only knew what anger does with your body, you would never do it again ..and I know. …and … this holds for all other [negative] emotions
I’m not mad I’m happy. He’s the one that told me. Don’t let me be misunderstood. Sorry about everybody that dies but it happens, he only warned you two years ago he warned me 20. But I agree with what you said about anger because I lived with a narcissist one time and they will do it to you. You learn how to climb inside it’s like the easy path to meditation. So is concentrating on anything but I’m not concentrating on him so don’t give my words a second thought either.. Maybe place your bets or something. I myself was Sawan. The dream is over.
@Ronald,…..I have been rather intrigued, reading your recent posts here, identifying your self as the late Sawan Singh, as well as identifying Gurinder Singh as Jamail, the Originator of the RSSB break off of Saligram’s Soamibagh RADHASOAMI group of Sant Mat. I am curious, ….wondering if you, as the present Reincarnation, of Sawan, but now initiated by Gurinder, still retain Sant Mat, as you taught when you were Sawan, or have you now revised those Teachings to conform to how Gurinder has modified the teachings,…SPECIFICALLY , that once initiated by a PLM, that Initiate would NEVER Transmigrate to a lower than human specie,…..such as Gurinder no longer guarantees, and says not only can HIS Initiates loose their human forms, transmigrate to lower species, but Masters don’t meet their Desciples at death, to escort them to Sach Khand, So, do you have an honest answer, for the many Exers here, who have not only severed them selves from RSSB completely, such as Brian Hines, but even ME, a Charan Initiate! Could we die and suddenly wake up as Beasts? Is our RSSB Initiation Insurance Policies that were supposed to protect us against from ever taking birth in lower species, now worthless DOCUMENTS that were Bogus Bait and Switch promises?
Later, I restarted communication from that poster, who asked about my experinces during my 2017 Dera visit. I told the person, I had shared it in Brian Hines forum, where it could be found by searching. Here was her response” I am not interested in reading brian hines vlogs as i have read all about him before i had met Ishwarji and they are all about criticizing the path and rssb . What i asked you was your personal experiences which could be helpful but as earlier you are not giving me straight forward replies so i would not like to ask you anything further.” Then, later, she/he? proved they were a liar, because they said,……” I dont know Brian hines so i am not interested in what he experiences. I only asked you because you yourself mentioned about GSD and your 2 day visit to the Dera and being a initiate of charan singh you directing me to brian hines is a very very odd thing which made me curious as to what exactly happened. Are you a rssb/santmat follower or a brian hines believer ? Kindly pick a side before blogging or talking to anyone on the spiritual path ! I have been as clear as get as to what I wanted to know from you it was in regards to how your faith developed on the spiritual path . Please don’t bother with giving unnecessary details about your inner spiritual experiences . Also please spare me of this strange and confusing behaviour for asking simple questions .Why would i be vindictive to you I dont even know you ? I am only responding to your messages and they are very very ambiguous and complicated to understand.I have already said i am sorry i contacted you it was a fault on my part and wont like to engage with you any further 🙏”Here was my last response to the mystery person. “ I don’t know why any one would communicate with you, because you are very pushy, rude, and disrespectful, and your interrogation methods infers that you are owed answers to questions you ask, that I told you, are already available on Brian Hines forum. All you need to do is search my name there, and every thing I have posted there will come up. Since you say I don’t know you, and you don’t know me, why did you quickly lock your profile after I asked if you knew BBJ, since you live in the same city where he just bought a house recently? And who are you to demand who I choose to follow, Brian Hines or RSSB? That’s absoutely NONE of your business who I choose to communicate with. I think you have a FAKE profile. Prove me wrong.”
The person who’s Facebook profile stated she lives in Chandigrah, the same city where Gurinder purchased a home in 2025, then deleted her profile ,….. posts under the Name of “Tanya Sekhri”, in case she PMs any one here, probing for dirt on me or Brian Hines. Again, the face in the profile is of an Indian female, looking to be in her 40s or so. She claimed to have been initiated by Ishwar Puri in 2017, and wants to know if there are any existing Perfection Living Masters who succeeded Ishwar, and if not, where else can she find any?
I had not read Ronald’s posts , until after she contacted me. Had I known Ronald was the present reincarnation of The Great Master, Sawan Singh, I would have given her Ronald’s referral. But she would have had to look for him on in Brian’s Church, of which she doesn’t read, because ?all they do there is say nasty things about Gurinder and RSSB. “
@Ronald, why don’t you PM her, and tell her your a PLM IN drag? 😇😁🙏🏽
The teachings never have changed. I had to air his ( babaji) dirty laundry in his last life too. I’ve only drawn an outline here. I guess I have my own continuous books to do. Path of the Masters… continued. I’ve explained before that initiates aren’t the only ones exclusive to protection.
Are you talking to me ? I’ve never asked you anything nor would I ever have a need to. The only thing I might change is one letter of my name. Out of respect for the foreigners who can’t stand Trump. Philosophy of the Masters. I was Sawan but not on Facebook haha
@ Ronald
I reacted to the content of what you wrote, I did not write a word about you,.. who you are, what you do ..
what i have here to react to are just the words others write here and whatever I came to understand about the workings of the human mind listening to the late MCS.
Excellent policy. I might even give you my phone number because words are separate from the people saying them. Remarkable observation that most people don’t get . Like Keith Richards said talk is cheap. And that’s why I do so much of it because I don’t have much money.
@ Ronald
I consider myself to be a consumer
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Consumers might step into the role of connaisseurs, but in my opinion, that is stepping outside their role .. like academic experts in one field allow themselves statements that are not at all based on personal expertise an knowledge.
All things I learned to understand listening to MCS.
So, I am a consumer of everything and do my best to refrain from making my labeling and evaqlyation of that personal consumption, seen as having anything to do with the producer.
Consumers ar best advised to never think about producers let alone make statements about the …unless they nare themselves producers .. and .. even then is is wiser to refrain from it.
I try to make myself a tasty cup of coffee for that i do not need anything to know about the whole proces of growing coffee peens etc.
As a youngster I worked I high level Hotels and access to famous wines like petrus, latife Rothshild etc but I did not like any of them with the exception of a small glass of simple chateau la commanderie or a sweet wine like the white yquem .. unnecessary to say that it should not be a surprise being just an consumer of life … hahaha why should a simple coffee drinker be able to appreciate, the drinks of the elite.
The involvement with spirituality is not different.
Saltzman, somewhere, uses a term for reliance on gurus and the like. It is imago, coming from the term for likeness or image. It is a fitting description for many in the Guru business as in psychological terms it refers to: ‘An idealized image of another person, usually a parent, acquired in childhood and carried in the unconscious in later life.’
It says a lot as to how we become fixated on another person. In the case of a Guru, fixated on what he/she is offering and as Saltzman says here, regarding the advice coming from such teachers as emanating from traditional practices and followed blindly regardless of temperament or individual need.
Is this why we all (at some point) follow a particular teacher or teaching? Are we unconsciously looking for an idealised image of another person or parent – perhaps even in the guise of a traditional God/father?
It may just lessen the sense of self-importance that we hold of ourselves, where we believe we are the apex of creation and deserve to enjoy the touted spiritual realms and states offered to us, in the sense that we are special, more special we believe even than every other life form we live here with.
@ Ron
The motivations with which a person does a thing can be very diverse from person to person, from social class to social class, from culture to culture..
Most of these motivations are related to other interest that the object at hand ..making its use as a means to an end.
What Mr Saltman does, is picking just one of the many and generalize them to the sole motivation for all …. well that might be the case if it suits one to believe that and use his words as a prove.
Just read about a spate of suicides of people who did 10 day vipassana courses.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/04/us-news/silent-meditation-retreats-under-scrutiny-after-suicide-of-aspiring-artist-22-comes-to-light/
I concur re the dangers of guru “one size fits all” advice. That’s because I’ve attended these 10 day Goenka vipassana courses, and know first hand how the Guru (Goenka) and his teachers make grand claims that their method is wholly beneficial, and that anyone experiencing negative effects from sitting 11 hours a day is “not a person with little dust” and is to blame for their own mental problems.
As I’ve said before, Buddhism really isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. That’s because it’s one thing to read a Buddhist author and to dally with Buddhist thoughts, or to do Buddhist meditation a short time each day, and a whole nother thing to seriously practice Buddhism in a traditional monastic way.
Even 10 days of serious Buddhist meditation can cause suicidal ideation. It didn’t experience that level of mental disfuction, but having done or tried to do 3 10 day retreats I can say they only made me feel miserable.
Yet, against my better judgment, I continued taking these courses with the guru’s assurance that I was just experiencing a mental cleansing of sanksaras.
That was a mistake. But at bottom, it was my mistake. I don’t blame the guru. The fault for my falling into spiritual pitfalls is mine alone.
I feel that way because “gurus” are just another word for any kind of group authority. Social, political, religious, it’s all the same. Every leader and their followers always claim to have a method that’s 100% flawless. They never admit criticism.
That’s human nature. The true critical focus is how to discern the false from the real.
You’re better off to stare at a candle than any modern day guru because like I said they’re graded on a sliding scale. This is Kali Yuga and it’s only getting deeper. You’d like to believe that enlightenment is just around the corner but enlightenment is not even possible now so just pay off your dues and get the hell out of here. Sinchit karma. Gurinder was Baba Jamail Singh the soldier in his last life and I was Sawan. That means I initiated Charan Singh. When he wrote me letters he said there were reasons for all the “red tape ” (he was my grandson and knew it )and finally I had to get initiation from the soldier in this life just like the last one. Instead of a horse back accident I had a motorcycle accident. It’s just a big loop until you pay off all the karma. The human body is only capable of grasping Sach Kand for a millisecond. So death is really the final release. He can die full of sin and still go to heaven as long as the karma is finished. I was shown these things and much more during meditation so as not to detract from it babaji verified it all. All saints Day. May 5th
I spent a time in a lower heaven after I died for all the good deeds I had done. And it is possible to pay off karma in those higher realms but only if the people that are involved with you are in them too otherwise we all come back to this rotten Earth. I’m not a consumer. But I like coffee. I have been here before in the days of ice and of course this is why I’m so concerned. Whoever said it is correct ,Sawan thought art was a hindrance on the spiritual path. I mentioned that too the wannabe Bob Dylan , Gurinder and he didn’t agree. He always wanted to be something he’s not. Plus he loves the celebrity and the acclaim and fame. It’s a child’s claim to fame.
“I have been here before…why I’m so concerned”
Jimi Hendrix! Axis Bold as Love! That lyric is in the second track, “Up From the Skies.”
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lWur3SpNnxqZ_ad3ovCDjRSTCmjYYR6i8&si=Y4VjauQCt0BJxI4r
I wonder what else he got for Christmas that year other than the wahwah pedal
P.S., All Sants Day is November 1st.
Um. You’re quite wrong here. No generalisation, just observations in psychology that the idealized parent image regarding gurus, even God’s or celebrities etc. is commonplace.
@ Ron E.
That is HIS interpretation, HIS explanation, all meaning and value HE ATTACHED to these people but he cannot see inside these people’s mind so he doesn’t KNOW what their motivation is ..it is HIS conclusion …. maybe … even his projection, HIS defence mechanism.
People, and de Saltzmans of this world, defend their worldviews Ron at all cost and they do so for a good reason.
MAKES NO SENSE FOLLOWING THESE DEALERS
RADHA SOAMI NARCOTICS BABA CHARAN SINGH AND NOW GURINDER SINGH DRUG DHILION
NOW LEAD BY NEW FAKE BABA JASSDEEP…
SAINTs nope, a person having the qualities of always having good intentions these 2 never had or have
Hahaha lol can never be Charan Singh or Gurinder Singh Dhilion , Jassdeep
Just look at all the sick and bad things they’ve done throughout the years to all, even to they’re very own family’s to get power and wealth that’s what Radha Soami is about Greed
Gurinder Singh Dhillon is a Drug Baron and a Coward and Hides after he’s done so much bad to others, because he might get a good hiding for it too. He’s definitely not who he is believed to be nope . Look at his actions on stage now a show of utter bull
He’s no Saint but someone who’s lost his Sanity, send him away to a psychiatrist and get him seen too as he thinks he’s God. Lol
Even the Initiation meditation is of Kaal (Satan) the first name spoken means the “light of the devil” that’s where you’re going if you repeat it repeatedly
Ask Gurinder Singh Dhilion in the next Questions and Answers session and see him hiding and avoiding it, go on
His love for Power, money and women is absurd if anything he needs hospitalization for these sick acts which make no sense of his seedy nature. Saying things of a Sexual nature is his very nature , he has said many a times these sexual questions and answers in his q&a
He needs help he really believes he’s a God and he’s got people believing that too.
Come on Wake up he’s a Lying Little Donkey ripping people out of pocket and land and hiding behind a facade
He is now at the end of his life and is going around being a celebrity in front of the cameras too all of a sudden, because he knows its nearly over, looks like he’s finally got over being camera shy lol
Just look at the way he has made a fool of himself recently with the drugs fiasco Gurinder is at the heart of this and it looks like he has a very big share of the pie too.
Just look how he ran over to save his buddy knowingly he will lose face and reputation, but now you know why, he’s up to his neck in it too.
They have ruined thousands of innocent lives and murdered them through pushing drugs. So many families have been destroyed by Gurinder
He should be exposed and punished for these crimes against humanity
Please God punish this Evil Donkey and put him away in jail for the rest of his evil little life.
He hasn’t much time left anyway.
Karmas coming for You Gurinder Singh Dhilion
Thank God for that we’re all saved from this Evil Narcotics Cult and the Devil himself Gurinder Singh Drug Dhilion, oh and not forgetting whos running the show now, Jassdeep too
Jasdeep was Jagat Singh
Guru. The teacher and chemist.
Wouldn’t that be something if Gurinder and Gill were denied entrance visas to the USA because of their dope dealing. They’ll probably get a full body cavity search if they do come again.
@ Ronald
Yes I do remember what was said about art as a hindrance. And upon some pondering why such an statement was made I came after a while to see why they might have stated it …. it is ..as I understand it an expression of an inspiration and that is like walking backwards after having completed a distance.
It is as i came to undersand it a squandering of energy …. BUT …that is said only to those that walk the path.
So, for others there is nothing wrong with art.
It makes me think of an Psychologist from the states that wrote me an letter, explaining that he counseled fellow satsangis in an other way than those that were not.
@Ron
About motivation to do something!
Would all children that frequent to schools if they were not send there to go?
Many a student, ends up in the office of counselors on realizing that they are acting out their parents wish and their desire to be a good son or daughter. Most of the time to the end of their academic education and upon proving that they are grown ups want to quite their studies.
With some hours of counseling, these students soon will find that their relation with their parents etc was just a [tiny] part of their motivation for their choice of a particular academic schooling and to invest in it for 4, 5 or more years.
It does not take much effort to explain everything away by relating it to the past, to the parents etc. and that is a misrecognation of the authonomy of a person ..
It’s strange to watch people without any serious interest or knowledge in spirituality denigrate spiritual teachers.
To paraphrase Job in the Bible,
‘What can you know without knowledge?
‘ And how can you help without the power to do so?
‘What can an ignorant person teach another ignorant person?
‘ How can you heal what has no life in it?
‘Truly dead things arise from the dead.’
‘And why do you continue to repeat the obvious as if it meant anything at all? ‘
Well Spence …it is as strange as those who do the opposite.
With regar to the writings of Mr Saltzman.
Upon having an experience at the level of enlightenment, satori etc etc, discovering that he needed nothing more that his animals, his love for photography and expertise as a psychotherapist, willing to accept what ever the world had to offer, in the here an now and his own mental reactions to it would have been enough to life forward to the ends of his days.
Yet, he found it necessary to declare that based upon that experience and his mental digesting of it, that there was also nothing more to life and that others who claimed that there was more by necessity must talk nonsense.
Letting go of the conditioning or seeing how it operates, is a great good and that is what he accomplished , experienced .. to make that accessible to a greater public is also laudable and can be a source of inspiration for many a reader. or understanding of the proces readers are going through themselves.
To find out that climbing the mnt everest is just one of the things humans can do but that the mountain is not there to be climbed nor are human born to do so or accept the suggestion that climbing tal mountain is the goal of life itself .. to realise that one need not to be or do anything particular to be human .. is an great experience, joy etc etc …. but upon that realization there is no need to say anything about those that have chosen to climb that mountain. .. speaking about them is an distraction of the gained insight
It’s one thing to learn something technical or practical from someone else. Skills and procedures, such as trades and crafts, the sciences and their many disciplines, can be learned through a person or organisation that has the necessary skills to teach that information and process. It is quite another thing for someone to teach metaphysical ideas, ideas that often are lost in the mists of history, rather, less than history, more in the gloom of myths and ancient cultural traditions.
We like to think that we are aware and cognisant of our ever-active mind, but in reality, we are only ever conscious of the final outcomes of a series of thoughts, feelings, and emotions. If we were totally aware of our mentation when, for example, we voted for a particular leader, we would be able to see the whole spectrum of our reasons; as it is we only see a surface part, usually that part that says “This man/woman will make things better for me.” We brush over (or avoid) his/her other negative characteristics in favour of the candidate’s surface appeal, or rather the particular spiel that grabs our attention. His/her damaging psychology appears after the election!
“This man/woman will make things better for me” approach is perhaps the sole motivation for attaching to a particular spiritual teacher or teaching. In the end, as many a ’seeker’ can testify and as Saltzman says here: “But my experience tells me that each person much find his or her own way to ‘unfold,” and that following a doctrinal religious system or the generalized advice of a guru is not likely to do the job. As Jiddu Krishnamurti put this, “Truth is a pathless land.”
>> “This man/woman will make things better for me”<<
If one approaches a teacher of an craft, art, psychological counseling or spiritual practice it is doomed to end in frustration.
None of these teachers have anything to give of themselves, in the sense as bringing a car to the garage and leave it there to be repaired.
No music pedagogue that mastered his craft, say for example playing the cello, can put anything INTO a student, a pupil etc but he can and does help that student to develop his talent by monitoring the students efforts. = guidance.
So if a gifted and willing student has to deal with a miserable teacher, the outcome of his efforts will be meager.
IF a student with meager talent and and low level of motivation has to deal with an high quality musician, the best possible will come out of that talent and effort.
In all the named activities, what matters is the quality of the mutual interaction, the quality of the teacher and the student.
As I have stated several times .. training textbooks for Psychotherapists to become, irrespective of the school, does start of some where in the beginning that the succes of the therapy at hand DEPENDS on presence of an so called "therapeutic relation"
In all the established global practices of meditation, starting monks and nuns, trained for years and years under the guidance of a master that knows all the ins and outs of the practice and how it affects the body and the mind.
Meditation is also a craft and nobody can learn a craft from a book.
The problem with sant mat and other schools today is, that they have grown so large, that the personal guidance, that is to be found in the scriptures as a "sine qua none" is no longer available.
THAT … is the real issue … and … the many that believe themselves to be called.
The lofty things lat people are reading in the many books are not available for them as they do not have the talent, the motivation to invest themselves in anything that can only be developed by love and devotion to the complete exclusion of everything else.
If a reader wants to know what that kind of mentality means look on the internet for"the video's:
[1] "kings of Pastry
[2] "Kendo's Grueling Challenge" or "Hanshi – The Path to 8th Dan" or "Warriors of Budo" (Episode Five: Kendo).
What to say of the role of a teacher in Za-Zen or non-dual schools as represented by Shri Nisargadatta.
It is related to the way we learn language …. One of the mogul emperors in India is said to have conducted an cruel experiment done by placing new borns with nannies that could not speek
In Nature what ever is to be transmitted is done by example
That all written … nobody needs to follow such an path to become a better human …. as nobodies needs to have two donkeys as pet , be a gifted photographer, well educated and succefull therapist, and equal writer, to live a life to its fullest
Not even any satori, inner experience etc is needed
They simple do happen and if they happen one has ro deal with them.
There are also many hidden treasures. Some are intrigued and want to find the whereabouts of these treasures .. that to is just a thing one can do.
Again, to be human there is nothing that needs to be done and all are free to invest the gift of live the way they deem fit
um, Most of your observations are off the mark somewhat, but as you say folk are free “… to invest the gift of life the way they deem fit.” Or are they?
Remember that 95% of our thoughts and actions are performed unconsciously (according to the science) so who’s this who is doing all this investing? And ‘freely’ visiting gurus – and voting for dubious leaders?
@ Ron
Yes You are free to write here as I am free to make coffee.
That this sense of freedom, freedom of CHOICE has its roots in the darkness of time and matter, is irrelevant.
Strictly my choice to make coffee started with the bigbang.
@ Ron
Yes You are free to write here as I am free to make coffee.
That this sense of freedom, freedom of CHOICE has its roots in the darkness of time and matter, is irrelevant.
Strictly my choice to make coffee started with the big bang..
There are many “ways” of life … the question is whether a person has the right understanding of what he or she wants and if the chosen way will make the fulfilment possible.
SO …..
[Q] Why it doesn’t make sense to take the advice of spiritual gurus
[A} Because they cannot give you what YOU, deep down want from them .. because YOU are not at all interested in what he has to offer, because you are not even interested in anything but your own sensual gratification
No .. it is not the outcome of and twisted mind of an coffee drinker
He writes just what is there for everybody to read in all traditions, all activities that demand love and devotion to the complete exclusion of everything else …AND .. this coffee drinker is not as kind of heart as many masters of art, craft and practice are, masters that give all a CHANCE even if they know that “few are chosen”
If you want yourselkf to be repaired, made better, by another human being .. than .. bring yourself to the nearest workshop or garage.
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Um and fellas that remember Charan Singh (my grandson from a previous life). He was Swamiji himself , the originator in his previous life. He even said during meditation there comes a point where you can determine who you were in your previous life, it just comes to you. He described the way you see scenes in an amber haze , you remember events and he also said he must have been someone great in his previous life, and he said it rather slyly. It’s also been stated by others that those who have had this previous experience of meditation go inside immediately, almost at the moment of initiation in the present life. The only reason to look up to a guru or anything else is to lessen your own ego , it’s almost just a psychological necessity to establish the humility. My mother told me that that man babaji was no better than me and no greater than me when I first got initiated and I just couldn’t explain to her why that wasn’t true. That I was not great and definitely not as great as him. But now I realize mama was right. You have to take baby steps on the path. Will The circle be unbroken by and by Lord , by and by, there’s a better home in the sky.
Here we have a different take about states of raised consciousness: The perspective of a scientist who is learning, not a pseudoscientist justifying unfounded conclusions. Instead we have open minded learning from others’ experience as well as one’s own.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-of-the-darkness/202602/higher-states-of-consciousness/amp
Thanks that’s true more often than not. But there are tricks of the mind and that’s why we have experts of the field to clarify. I never believed just anything amazing that my mind told me unless I got it clarified with an expert like babaji. Or in the past ,Charan Singh. That’s why they say that meditation can be dangerous. What’s sorely lacking in this Kali Yuga is a sense of discretion and a sense of humor.
Hi Um
You wrote
“If you want yourselkf to be repaired, made better, by another human being .. than .. bring yourself to the nearest workshop or garage.”
That is this entire creation, a school. It’s right there in your own cup of coffee, your next lesson.
You have no choice, you were assigned the role of student only. Whether you are a good student, always learning, always putting into practice what you are being taught, or a student who resists today’s lesson by justifying themselves as they are, that is the only wiggle space we have.
There is not a single centimeter on earth that is not a classroom. And your classroom is always the space around you. Your teachers are the ones around you. You don’t get to choose them. They are your assigned teachers.
Practically all these teachers around us are themselves students. And if they are good students they are decent teachers. Lousy students often get mediocre student-teachers. We learn from their errors, mostly.
If you should ever come in contact with a real teacher, one assigned to be a teacher, one who is not just a student whom you learn from, that is a sacred event. Truly rare. It is only out of ignorance that we can speak of it. It is beyond sacred, and we have no real idea, no measure except that they are more than anything words can communicate.
@ Spence
As I wrote I am an consumer …. The painter is just an producer and his product is consumed by me an others … there is nothing to learn as I never enter his studio, I never asked to be trained as an painter.
I consume to survive in nature and culture and as I was born I will die like everything else in this uivers.
That drive for survival is inborn and cannot be outsourced.
You cannot add to my life or change it .. it was given to me.
And all that is alive has given what is needed to do so … no tree grows in the snow
I understand you consider your self a teacher and the rest of us standing in need to be tought by you.
Hi Um
You wrote
*I understand you consider your self a teacher and the rest of us standing in need to be tought by you.*
I’m sorry Um, but as I wrote we are all students. I’m a student Um.
Yet you seem to place yourself into that role of a teacher, one who has nothing more to learn.
I have met real teachers Um. Even they practice learning, if only to model for the rest of us students. They want us to learn, and we are much better adapted for learning than pontificating. Are you even above them?
Ah the mind. It thinks it contains the entire creation. It may, but I humbly suggest pride in one’s own static identity stands as an iron wall keeping us out.
SPIRITUAL DRUG BABA
Gurinder Singh Dhillon is a greed ridden guru taking all for a ride. He is a sleezy old man known for his so many criminal activities that he’s an insult to all of our intelligence
Gurinder and his family are a stealing and lying bunch of thieves, who have frauded millions from many, including relatives, just so they can enjoy the riches of the Devils playground. Shame on you all, rot in Hell,…you will
They say God is hidden? Is he hiding or is he hidden by someone? What’s he hiding from and why? Has he a reason to hide?
God would never hide from us, would he ? From his children ? None of this makes any sense does it? NO
And why would a God in human form like Gurinder be doing all kinds of these crimes like Stealing money and Stealing land from starving poor farmers and also fraud? And then going on Stage to preach saintlyness to us all? LOL
Is that God’s nature? Submission to a Guru is more important than God?
Where did this stupidity come from that a Guru is God in human form anyway? Isn’t that blasphemy?
These are the Endless lies for the so called Baba to take advantage of the innocent people of this world.
This is the very lie that has abused God’s good name and needs to be now finished.
In God’s name all these things, that these hypocrites do like Gurinder singh dhillon and still think they will get away with it.
Think again and hard, God is coming and soon it’s finally finished
Gurinder Singh Drug Dhilion will face his karma for destroying so many innocent lives by pushing drugs in to Punjab and wanting to take over it eventually too.
Beware of Jassdeep fake Baba now as he takes the helm of this Narcotics Cult as they always have ulterior motives in Radha Soami
@ Spence
I am just what I am, a consumer
not what I appear to be, teacher or student
let alone how I am made to be seen otherwise.
Hi Um:
There is consumption. People do consume. They want to be something, they consume to become something.
But that isn’t real love.
And maybe you aren’t actually a consumer at all.
Maybe you don’t need to consume to become.
People think they are consumers of ideas. Can information be created or destroyed? I don’t think so. Information may be coveted, but not for long. It most certainly cannot be owned. It can be converted, translated. We are all a part of that.
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We are what we eat.
@ Spence
>> There is consumption. People do consume. They want to be something, they consume to become something<,
Maybe in your mind, consuming has something to do with becoming and becoming with something, but not in mine.
I wouldn't know who becomes what, if there is anything to become beyond being human ..being born, live a life as a human and die as a human.
Maybe that is part of your social cultural upbringing but in the natural sense of life nothing van become anything.
So gurinder singh dhillon aka , the EPSTEIN BABA OF BEAS, is the drug lord master mind behind a Rssb front.
Why else was gurinder so eager to get Majjithia, the Punjab drug baron and brother in law, out of jail? Majjithia is a crucial cog in the chain of a drug dealing and money laundering machine / empire , engineered by gurinder the crook. Gurinder has said on many occasions that he could be the biggest crook on the planet , sangat please believe him.
Further more through making children and people dependent on drugs, they sell their assets and land to dera beas thugary, which is consistent with the LAND GRAB BABAs cruel nature. Gurinder, you may run, but theres no where to hide. You cannot escape God’s judgment.
Ronald, ….and other Detectives or Impersonators,….. “CHANDIGARH” is a high rent district City where BBJ has a very expensive home, or bungalow. I read that a couple of weeks ago , posted in Hines church by one of the 2 posters who keep posting about the evils of RSSB and BBJ. Didn’t mean any thing to me,when I read it, until,……..I received a kind of intrusive message on this same Messenger Chat. The message started right off sounding like a Troll, with the greeting,…”Hey, I saw one of your posts on Ishwar Puri group, saying some thing about meditation.” The poster Included a name. Plus a photo of a female that looked Indian, and a name. She said she had been initiated by Ishwar Puri in 2017, but now since he died, the only gurus left are all Charlatans? I told her I was not a Master, and I gave her the link to my blog, and told her most of my spiritual journey is there. But if she had any SPECIFIC questions for me after reading my blog, I’d try to give an answer. I saw that she was typing some thing. So I saw she included a Profile under her photo, which I quickly checked, which I IMMEDIATELY saw, was that her present residence was in CHANDIGARH!
I quickly went back to her message, of which she was still writing, and wrote,….I checked your profile, and see you live in the same city that Gurinder Singh Dhillan has an expensive home. Do you know him? Then, I saw that she deleted 2 messages she was in the process of sending me! I then asked why she deleted them, and she said that she decided they would not have any interest to me! The next couple of days, I waited to see if she would write any thing else, but she didn’t. I rechecked her profile, and saw that she had removed her Profile, and there was nothing really posted on her Facebook Book wall. So,after a couple of days, I became suspicious of bad intentions, and deleted our entire chat messages, which were mostly mine, and blocked who ever that poster was. I should have saved her profile and name but did not. I didn’t want that person, who ever it was, to have free access to my FB information.
What do you think? I imagined it could have been from BBJ him self, or at least one of his house Sevadors living in Chandgarh.
@ Brian
Is it possible to make the lines that link one message to another more visible.
The lines that are now used can hardly be seen apart from its background
Um, I’m not sure what lines you are referring to. Do you mean the lines that separate comments? They seem clear enough to me. I have no problem telling where one comment ends and the next one begins.
@ Brian
There is a rectangular line around a message and sometimes a vertical line that connects an message with an earlier one.
Both are not good visible on my screen but if the interconnecting vertical line would be of the same color as the letters for example that would be helpful.
The rectangles under “Name” etc are also hardly visible.
Maybe drinking coffee has affected my eysight, who knows.