Imagining the impossible is a cool feature of human minds, but it creates philosophical enigmas

I’m enjoying Michael Pollan’s new book, A World Appears: A Journey Into Consciousness. My first post about it came after I’d finished the Introduction, also called The Wager. Now I’ve read the first chapter, Sentience. After that comes Feeling, Thought, Self, and The Cave.

While I don’t expect Pollan to clear up the mysteries surrounding consciousness in his book, going along with him on his journey will be enjoyable. He’s got a knack for making complex ideas understandable, and for describing fresh takes on old problems. That’s what I’m going to focus on in this post, a fresh take on the so-called hard problem of consciousness.

Which basically is why there’s “something to be like” a conscious being. There’s something to be like a bat. There’s something to be like a dog. There’s something to be like a person. Meaning, an interior subjective sense that seems distinct from the exterior objective goings-on of the brain: neurons firing, electrical activity, chemical secretions, all that sort of stuff that seems very different in kind from perceptions, thoughts, and emotions.

Figuring out how the brain operates is called the easy problem of consciousness. Not that it is really easy. Just that compared to the hard problem, it appears to be easier. Neuroscientists have made a lot of progress with the easy problem, but hardly any at all with the hard problem.

In 2007 I wrote “Digging into the hard problem of consciousness.” In 2013 I wrote “‘The hard problem of consciousness’ may not exist.” Some of what I said in that post echoes a passage from A World Appears that I’ll share below. Here’s how I put it in the 2013 post:

Some people, though, don’t agree that there even is a hard problem. I’m coming to agree with them. To me “the hard problem” bears a lot of resemblance to the famous question, “why is there something rather than nothing?” This presumes the validity of “rather than nothing.”

Why not solve the problem of why there is something rather than nothing by simply saying, “there is something.” End of story. No one has any experience of a cosmos that doesn’t exist, of absolute nothingness.

Yet philosophers act as if this is a possibility. So, wow!, isn’t it amazing that there is something rather than nothing!!! Let’s ponder why this is so!

Noted philosopher Daniel Dennett doesn’t believe there is a hard problem of consciousness. Here’s what he says in his new book, Intuition Pumps and Other Tools of Thinking.

“The Hard Problem, for [David] Chalmers, is the problem of “experience,” what it is like to be conscious, the inexpressible, unanalyzable thusness of being conscious.…Some of us, myself included, think the Hard Problem is a figment of Chalmer’s imagination, but others — surprisingly many — have the conviction that there is or would be a real difference between a conscious person and a perfect zombie and that this is important.”

There is, of course, no evidence that a perfect zombie actually exists, someone who acts exactly like a normal person, yet has no conscious experience.

Again, this reminds me of the “something” rather than “nothing” question. Philosophers imagine that an entity which shows no sign of existing does, then wonder how it can be that what exists isn’t what doesn’t exist.

And here’s the passage from Pollan’s book:

The distinctive human ability to imagine and weigh the most elaborate counterfactuals suggests an intriguing, if indirect, line of attack on the hard problem of consciousness, according to Friston. Or, to be more precise, on what is sometimes called the “meta-problem of consciousness” — the curious fact that philosophers, scientists, and, well, people like me (and you, if you’ve read this far) puzzle over the mystery of consciousness, something that other creatures, even conscious ones, presumably don’t do.

When I asked Friston for his take on Nagel’s famous question (“What is it like to be a bat?”), he suggested, “It’s probably a bit like what it’s like to be you” — a sentient creature — “with one exception: The bat would never worry about what it is like to be a bat.”

“I don’t think the hard problem itself is nearly as interesting as the fact that we have philosophers,” Friston offered, with a sly twinkle. “How do we account for the existence of people who worry about the hard problem?” Clearly, he was enjoying this provocation, but I wasn’t sure how seriously to take it. I took the bait. So, I asked, what did cause philosophers to worry about the hard problem?

The extraordinary capacity of conscious humans to imagine the most improbable counterfactuals, Friston said, including the one about the philosophical zombie. This is the famous thought experiment posed by David Chalmers. If we can conceive of a being indistinguishable from a normal person, with all of a person’s behaviors, gestures, and expressions, but utterly lacking in conscious experience — it’s completely dark in there — then consciousness must be something above and beyond the physical.

“The hard problem of consciousness itself emerges,” Friston explained, “from being able to entertain the counterfactual hypothesis that we might not be conscious.”

Let that sink in for a moment.

Could it really be that simple?

“The ability to imagine the impossible is the great gift of consciousness,” Friston said as our time together neared an end, “but it also leads to all this puzzlement and existential angst.”

I tend to agree. Which isn’t surprising, since in my 2013 post I said something similar: “Philosophers imagine that an entity which shows no sign of existing does, then wonder how it can be that what exists isn’t what doesn’t exist.”

It seems to me that quite a few difficult questions fall into the category of imagining the impossible.

— Why is there something rather than nothing?
— Why do we humans possess consciousness rather than lacking consciousness?
— How is it that God can be omniscient while giving us unpredictable free will?
— How can the soul escape the physical world and return to God?

People worry, even agonize, over questions that only arise because of our ability to imagine the impossible. Or if you prefer a term other than impossible, things that are extremely unlikely to be possible.

Philosophy, spirituality, even science, become much more tractable when we deal with what clearly exists, rather than imagining what clearly doesn’t exist, and then worrying about why we don’t have that nonexistent thing.


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17 Comments

  1. Diamond

    Good read. Intriguing ideas.

    Mind and Matter

    Can they exist without each other

    So they make a unipolar thing to bipolar

    That becomes essence of creation

    • Ronald

      I don’t consider myself a saint but I do have a few things in common with one, just like with everyone else. But in my case I’ll only speak of what I’ve had direct experience with. There’s nothing on earth like the Sound or Word or Logo , whatever you want to call it. It saves your soul! I can see you trying to imagine what I’m trying to say unless you’ve experienced it. But that’s why things are there. To be experienced. Or not. Narcissism is something that you can only imagine if you’ve never experienced it and that’s something you don’t want to experience. Some people feel that a thought about something is actually better than the actual experience. So just think about it until it happens because if you try it will. I don’t think everything is possible. I didn’t think that was possible for me anyway and look now.

  2. Diamond

    The Hard problem isn’t Experience
    The Hard problem is to recognise the Experience

    This is Hardest problem for ETs

    We are blessed to be Humans.

  3. Ronald

    Babaji and Huzurji, two wrongs don’t make a right. I find them less than intimidating uninteresting and wrong.

  4. Ron E.

    The fact that we have the ability to think in the abstract means that we will probably always be coming up with impossible questions, such as ‘Why is there something rather than nothing? ’‘What is the meaning of life?’ “How did the universe begin?” and so on.

    Apparently, such questions arise from a desire to know everything, to ‘fix’ it as some say, all in the interests of making ourselves feel safe from the unknown. Which is not to say that questions about matters that may have physical outcomes and benefits, such as in the realm of health and medicine, food production, etc., are not valuable. But, questions such as those above are generally best left to religions and the philosophers who are welcome to tie themselves up in knots trying to answer questions that, in reality, just do not matter.

    But sadly, as we all have various vested interests in wanting to make something out of our lives and of living that does not accord with the reality of nature, we scramble to invent (and desire) all sorts of metaphysical ‘answers’. Answers that generally only have the effect of separating us from each other and ourselves.

  5. Ronald

    I have no need, want or desire to be cool.

  6. Ronald

    The end result is like Brian and so many others I was drawn to RSSB by the charisma and holiness of Maharaji Charan Singh who I thought of everyday and still do since my introduction to him in 1974. And now I see this Babaji character ( who initiated me btw) as taking advantage of , then squandering Maharaji’s life work . Volume does not equal intensity in music nor does size of congregation correlate to power of the message. It might be better if we all knew when we were going to die and quit guessing like that babbling idiot guru does. So don’t quote me because I have the power to change my mind.

  7. Ronald

    People have a tendency to blame the guru for their problems but I’m not like that because I don’t give them any credit for anything so there’s nothing to blame him for. “If you’re right and you know it, speak your mind. Even if you’re a minority of one, the truth is still the truth.” – Mahatma Gandhi . If he dies it’ll be like the American Indian leaving no trace that he ever existed.( Work with me on this)

  8. Um

    @ Ronald

    Several times I mentioned that in order to understand the actions etc of this or that Guru, listen to what is said in the very beginning, hours, weeks.

    The honorable late MCS started out by saying that he was going to serve the sangat .. and that is what he did.

    His sangat was “prepared” for his successor by using the comparison of the sangat with a plant that grows to fast by to much “fertilizer” in the form of sun, water and soil, so that it cannot grow “wood” to keep iself upright.

    And …

    How “wise” parents deal with children that only consume and do not their duties. Whatever was given to them, to make their life comfortable, will eventual be taken away, piece by piece, until the bare necessities are left … a cold room, a table and a chair to study

    It is not my business what they do and who and what they are .. they are known as gurus

    What i write is just what I remember that was said and after those many years, they make me smile as whatever happened just fits perfectly in these images.

    To put it simple .. when he died, he took with him whatever attracted people in the first place and made and makes it difficult to forget him and those days.

  9. Um

    @ Ronald

    Several times I mentioned that in order to understand the actions etc of this or that Guru, listen to what is said in the very beginning, hours, weeks.

    The honorable late MCS started out by saying that he was going to serve the sangat .. and that is what he did.

    His sangat was “prepared” for his successor by using the comparison of the sangat with a plant that grows to fast by to much “fertilizer” in the form of sun, water and soil, so that it cannot grow “wood” to keep iself upright.

    And …

    How “wise” parents deal with children that onlt consume and do not their duties. Whatever was given to them, to make their life comfortable, will eventual be taken away, piece by piece, until the bare necessities are left … a cold room, a table and a chair to study

    It is not my business what they do and who and what they are .. they are known as gurus

    What i write is just what I remember that was said and after those many years, they make me smile as whatever happened just fits perfectly in these images.

    To put it simple .. when he died, he took with him whatever attracted people in the first place and make it difficult to forget him and those days.

      • Um

        @ Ronald

        How funny … this is the second time that I was asked to have a look at this video today.

        For a very long time I did not listen to his Q&A as what I took from listening to him in his presence, is day to day available.

        I am not a great reader and when i do, I start with the very first book, than the next etc. Seldom did i manage to read all the books of an author. Most of the time, somewhere in book 3 or so I , in the midst of a chapter, alinea or sentence i stop, close the book never to read again of that author

        Why? … because from there onwarts, there will only be repetition or to use his words .. hamering of the mind [with the same hammer]

        This time I listened with other “ears” than before and was draw more to the psychological side of the interactions people have with him than to the content.

        Do not ask THEM any question as they will NEVER answer you.

        Why?

        Because they cannot or will not step into the world of the questioner nor can the listener step into their world … that being the case is a recipe for frustration if not more.

        Further more, they have nothing to say of themselves to anybody and they never say a thing .. they cannot … is my personal understanding as they have, as human beings, crossed a mental bridge and left behind a world to which they can never return.

        These are just simple psychological observations of “free” people …. other wise … about their spiritual attainments, the depth and truth of their teachings, I have no idea whatsoever.

        The gardener, the artist, the biologist, the poet, the lover, the child, the one grown old by age and the many, many more that should be named, have all their own way at looking at the same flower .. not to forget coffeedrinkers

  10. Ronald

    I know I’m old because I saw half of Traffic ( Dave Mason and Steve Winwood ) jam with half of Cream ( Eric Clapton and Ginger Baker) all at once with the future Dominos. So in fact I watched that band form for one of the first times ever. Derek and the Dominos except with the mentioned guests. Plus Delaney and Bonnie and my friend Bobby Keys were all on that stage too. San Antonio 1969 . Blind Faith. Encore .Look it up

    • Um

      @Ronald

      Reading your words reminded me of the rule that people of the same kind are attracted to one another … the late MCS an charismatic human being by nature, was followed by many charismatic people of those days, in particular musicians, painters and writers. apart from the many first generation of Theosophy, etc. and people that brought yoga to the west.

      Hahaha … these days, replaced so it appears to me by business men and women, and the “white collar” army of officials.

      Like in the movie “the last emperor” where the charismatic class of feudal mandarijns was replaced by the army of green uniforms and the emperor had to be taught to be a human.

      Maybe the coffee is affecting my brains oor jus mental house rot

      • Ronald

        I have referred to Gurinder as the last emperor and also as Dracula since he liked movies so much. This is all straight to him I also told him everything I’m telling everyone now. It didn’t have to be like this. I didn’t have to feel this way. You didn’t have to do me wrong. He’s been told. So I’ve let it go a long time ago. ” It doesn’t have to be this way”. Those were my exact words to the uncaring guru. But he told me they were giving him opium and I do believe the cure was worse than the disease. Cancer

        • Um

          @ Donald

          I did not intend to write he was an emperor.

          As stated many a time, I have nor had, issues with either of them .. what ever little personal contact I had with them, I do remember as pleasurable.

          The rest is all “hearsay” for me what people write and say about them and find its way in the media

          What i wrote is how I saw and see them with respect to their own narrative and the social cultural changes in the past decades and the psychological effects they created

          Again I have nothing to say about anything spiritual .. my world and worldview is restricted to what my ears and eyes offer me and how that is digested by my conditioned mind.

          Most people would consider me a loser in any field of human endeavor.

          Why I had to meet so many influential people and people with respectable achievements in society, I never knew and still don’t.

          I did not and do not need anything from them, I never asked them for anything and I have nothing to offer

          That said .. I liked most of them, not for their achievements but for the good company they made …. and ….. often found, that behind their “harsh” personal expressions, lived a kind-hearted human being.

          Again .. one will remember roses for their thorns and others for their color, smell ..and nobody is free to chose to act and react other that what they happen to be.

          Those that end up in history books might not always been the same as those that actual change the course of history, unknown and unrecognized by anybody

    • Ronald

      Correction 2/3 of Cream but Clapton had two drummers during the encore. Baker and Gordon. Dave Mason was playing with Delaney and Bonnie like the rest of the band Eric stole. Drugs might have still been doing Eric some good. Don’t ever count them out. Especially if you run a pharmaceutical company.

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