Writing the title of this blog post just reminded me of an unexpected “A” I got on a high school English exam. The teacher asked me to explain what “vicious circle” meant. I must have been in a recalcitrant frame of mind, because even though I enjoyed writing essays of that sort, I simply drew a circle on my exam paper with a mean looking expression. Somehow my paper came back with an “A” on it. Guess the teacher valued creativity over correctness in my case.
Vicious circles abound in life. Here’s how one definition explains it.
A sequence of reciprocal cause and effect in which two or more elements intensify and aggravate each other, leading inexorably to a worsening of the situation. “debtors were caught in a vicious circle: they could not be freed until they had paid their debt, and were not able to pay their debt as long as they were in prison”
In Michael Pollan’s new book, A World Appears: A Journey Into Consciousness, he says in a next-to-final chapter that consciousness is really difficult to understand because everything we know requires consciousness. So how do we come to know that which enables us to know? Vicious circle! Pollan quotes what Kristof Koch, a noted investigator of consciousness, said in a Zoom call.
Real things are things that exist for themselves and not just for their observers. Right now, I’m looking at a tree outside my window. Without a mind to observe it, the tree doesn’t exist — as a thing with a certain form differentiated from the ground and the sky. Without that observer, it’s just ontological dust — particles and waves. What does exist for itself is consciousness. In fact, only consciousness exists for itself.
Pollan then says:
I couldn’t dismiss what I was hearing, but I also couldn’t quite believe what I was hearing. I tried to imagine Koch’s tree in a universe emptied of consciousness — that is, with no observer and therefore no perspective whatsoever, not human, not microscopic, not quantum, not from the sky, not from outer space.
Remember the sped-up beings that Stefano Mancuso described, the ones who moved so quickly that humans appeared to them as immobile slabs of meat? Perspective determines everything.
So if no one’s there to observe the tree, in what sense does it still exist? And does this mean that the world itself must be conscious in order for it to exist?
I wouldn’t go that far, though some physicists do, as I noted in a 2007 post, “Consider a cosmos with no consciousness.” In that post I shared a quotation from a well-regarded physicist, Andrei Linde.
“The universe and the observer exist as a pair,” Linde says. “You can say that the universe is there only when there is an observer who can say, Yes, I see the universe there. These small words— it looks like it was here— for practical purposes it may not matter much, but for me as a human being, I do not know any sense in which I could claim that the universe is here in the absence of observers.
“We are together, the universe and us. The moment you say that the universe exists without any observers, I cannot make any sense out of that. I cannot imagine a consistent theory of everything that ignores consciousness. A recording device cannot play the role of an observer, because who will read what is written on this recording device?
“In order for us to see that something happens, and say to one another that something happens, you need to have a universe, you need to have a recording device, and you need to have us. It’s not enough for the information to be stored somewhere, completely inaccessible to anybody. It’s necessary for somebody to look at it. You need an observer who looks at the universe. In the absence of observers, our universe is dead.”
Perhaps.
But rather than calling the universe dead in the absence of observers, I prefer undefined. Something would be there. There just would be no way to describe that something, because describing requires a conscious observer. I wrestled with this question in that 2007 blog post in somewhat the same fashion Pollan did. Here’s an excerpt.
I consider a universe with no life, no awareness, no sentience. It’s easy to do. I think: “What a marvelously simple thought experiment!” The universe appears to me just as it does now, planets, stars and galaxies filling the fabric of space, yet with nobody conscious of it.
Obvious questions then crash the party of my thought experiment: Who is doing the considering of this cosmos with no consciousness? From what perspective is this entity contemplating the universe?
It dawns on me that this entity, namely me, is equipped with eyes that translate a certain wavelength of electro-magnetic radiation into perceptions of which I’m aware. Photographs of distant galaxies, for example, from which I derive some of the raw imaginative material for my thought experiment.
Yet what if I had the body of a bat and sensed with sonar? Or that of a snake with heat-sensing capabilities? The world would look entirely different.
So my envisioning of the cosmos as illuminated by light is terribly anthropomorphic, a fact I’m reminded of every time I walk the dog and watch her spending enthralled minutes sniffing a bush that my smell-impaired brain considers to be nothing special.
Still, my thought experiment has led me somewhere, though not to my intended destination of an imagined cosmos with no consciousness. I’ve understood that different sorts of consciousnesses are aware of the cosmos in different ways. We may not create reality, but our own unique perception of it is indeed created.
However, the question still remains: What is the “it” that any consciousness is aware of? Even if it isn’t possible for any of us to know whether “it” exists independent of awareness, isn’t there an answer that could be known, if it weren’t for that damn existential abyss?
Pollan says that after investigating the nature of consciousness from various perspectives, and writing a book about what he learned, he ended more mystified about consciousness than when he began his quest to understand it. I like how Pollan concludes his Self chapter.
Chalmers seems to believe he has spelled out the complete menu of metaphysical options [regarding consciousness; idealism, materialism, etc.]. But is that really the case? Couldn’t there be, somewhere out there in the space of all possibilities, some idea about the fundamental nature of reality and consciousness that the human mind hasn’t conceived of yet?
We can hope so. But how will we ever know if that new idea — which will itself be the product of consciousness — is true? Because consciousness is the only means we have of knowing anything, we can’t step outside it and take up a god-like perspective from which to render a final judgment.
So where does that leave us?
Exactly where we already were: wandering in the exitless labyrinth of consciousness.
Nearing the end of this journey, I find myself not at all sure what to believe, if anything. I’m abashed to say I know less now than I did when, naively, I set out to unravel the mystery of consciousness. But then, most of what I thought I knew or took for granted, like the assumption that consciousness is a product of our brains and materialism will eventually explain everything, turned out to be unproven or wrong.
When I confessed to Koch my fear — that after my five-year journey into the nature and workings of consciousness, I somehow knew less than I did when I started — he simply smiled.
“But that’s good,” he said. “That’s progress.”
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Super conciousnes creates conciousnes.
Super Conciousnes states are one exception experience
Some Drugs induce those states but that weans off quickly
Imagine your whole body vibrating internally with pain as guide
And whole world is vibrating with you… You consume conciousnes and ascends to super Conciousnes
I’m still not aware and certainly not convinced that consciousness exists but since I’m a live and let blog type of libtard I’ll let it be whether it exists or not. I’m kinda pissed off I didn’t hear the Sound this morning.
Do you think that’s why Gurinder has those armed bodyguards? Some followers pissed that they didn’t hear the Sound this morning.
Lol😁
This comment is just me poking around the subject of consciousness. I am aware and also aware of there being a ‘me’, a ‘me’ that on inspection is an amalgam of my history into which ‘I’ insert thoughts, beliefs, feelings and opinions – and call them mine. Are these mental attributes that I am conscious of – or aware of?
Typically, consciousness is described thus: awareness is absolute; consciousness is relative to its content; consciousness is always of something. Consciousness is partial and changeful, awareness is total, changeless, calm and silent.
Presently, I am more inclined to see consciousness as an illusion. Not that it is not real, more that it is not a tangible ‘thing’ that can be identified – much like the use of the term’s self, or mind. Mental states surge through our brains; we name them for convenience – thoughts, memory, emotion, belief, desire, intention, ‘me’, etc.
I can see, though, that we are aware, in fact, our whole organism, cells, neurons, bacteria are aware, even single-celled beings demonstrate a measure of self-awareness (There is a theory called The Cellular Basis of Consciousness.)
No one knows what consciousness is. Most agree that self-awareness is a key component of consciousness. Could we then do away with the idea of consciousness and instead describe all life as exhibiting various levels of awareness? Self-awareness being the awareness of a mental construct we call my ‘self’.
Polland says: “So if no one’s there to observe the tree, in what sense does it still exist? And does this mean that the world itself must be conscious in order for it to exist?” Maybe it just takes an organism (any organism, no matter how primitive) that is aware by virtue of it being alive, to sense, in its own way, trees, food, predators, mates, etc.
No abstract consciousness is needed, just a planet teeming with life, organisms that have varying ways of navigating their way around, but all, in different degrees, aware of themselves in relation to their environment. Everything exists, observer or not – in fact, the tree exists as a tree, the snake as a snake, a primate as a primate, all with their own unique ways of sensing.
Consciousness is not needed, just an organism aware of itself and its environment.
To finish: No abstract consciousness is needed, just a planet teeming with life, organisms that have varying ways of navigating their way around, but all, in different degrees, aware of themselves in relation to their environment. Everything exists, observer or not – in fact, the tree exists as a tree, the snake as a snake, a primate as a primate, all with their own unique ways of sensing.
Consciousness is not needed, just an organism aware of itself and its environment.
The author writes
“Real things are things that exist for themselves and not just for their observers.”
That is a very strange, convoluted notion. There is no basis for it.
The use of the word ‘real’, and the phrase ‘exist for themselves’ make a lot of unfounded assumptions. It makes sense that the author would realize that this mixed up thinking cannot be truthful, and that they have over thought things, rather than more deeply experienced and felt things as they are, not how the author wants them to be, without the burden of such thoughts.
Because these are all connected, not isolated. We are all fields of energy. We are one data base parsed as distinct for our tiny brains.
One database of pure energy vibrating at different but sympathetic frequencies that resonate a little differently from different dimensions, different layers of perception.
One database parsed into different files, different documents, different videos, for our ability to understand, different capacities for consciousness, but all part of the same incredible stream of information.