Below is another in a series of guest blog posts from Anon, an ex-RSSB initiate. RSSB stands for Radha Soami Satsang Beas, an India-based religious organization headed up by a guru that I belonged to for 35 years, which explains my interest in sharing criticisms of the faith that I also found lacking.
Anon makes an interesting point here. With most religions, it isn’t a big deal if the leader of the religion says things that aren’t true. Nobody’s perfect, after all. Everybody makes mistakes. But RSSB is a special religion, because its leader, the guru, is considered to be God in Human Form, a Perfect Living Master. So when the RSSB guru says things that aren’t true, this strikes at the heart of the RSSB teachings.
Because once it becomes clear that the guru is an imperfect human being, like everybody else, the rationale for belonging to RSSB fades away.
Guru Sawan’s Prophecy: White RSSB
I want to start with this.
I am not a whistleblower. This is all RSSB knowledge. All of this is public knowledge from RSSB own materials. Check the books. Do public searches on Google. Ask any AI tool.
This is all stuff RSSB people have often spoken about at centres openly. It isn’t new or a secret and has been documented. EVERYONE JUST SUDDENLY STOPPED TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS? WHY DID IT ALL GO QUIET? OUT OF NOWHERE?
THE PROPHECY
Guru Sawan was known as “Huzur” or “The Great Master”. He was head of the “spiritual path” RSSB from 1903 to 1948. He was the longest serving guru to date.
Guru Sawan prophesied that the axis of spirituality would shift from the East to the West – specifically to white people, and Americans.
THE DOCUMENTED FACTS
THE FIRST US CENTRE (1911)
Guru Sawan authorised the 1st initiations to non-Indians who were white western Americans (the Brocks) via an Indian representative in America in 1911. The first “centre” outside India was ran by the Brocks in 1911. It was their own home and they directly financed operations. The first proper official centre was later built in the 90s. Until then, RSSB in America was spearheaded by the Brocks, white western Americans.
“SPIRITUAL GEMS” LETTER: 1937
There were no RSSB books at the time so Guru Sawan wrote in letters to his overseas white american disciples. These letters are now an RSSB book called “Spiritual Gems”.
RSSB “Spiritual Gems” Book, Letter 153, dated 1937, Guru Sawan Singh (to his white western american disciples): “We are expecting much from America. The average person in America is much nearer to this Teaching than in any portion of Europe. The day will come when your people will turn to Sant Mat… Some day the Great Work there will assume much larger proportions. You may look confidently for it, in your own time. Be ready for it.”
Guru Sawan specifically said “your people”. He was addressing the white western Americans. He did not say “my people” (Indians).
DR JULIAN JOHNSON: 1937
Guru Sawan also spoke about the axis shifting because of the 1st white western american disciple, Dr Julian Johnson, an American surgeon. Sawan said he was responsible for taking RSSB to the West, which was preserved in an eyewitness transcript by disciple Ishwar Puri.
Guru Sawan, to Dr Julian Johnson, in 1937, documented by disciple Ishwar Puri: “Johnson, you have come from a great country, United States of America, and the spirituality you have come to the East to find will one day move over to your country. You are, in fact, taking spirituality to the West.”
However Dr Julian unexpectedly passed away 2 years later at the Dera in questionable unforeseen mysterious circumstances. You can Google it if you want more info.
THE WESTERN CROWD
Many of the letters about navigating a Western lifestyle while following Eastern spiritual rules – were intended for white readers. That was the audience.
This was not about Indian migrants, who settled in the West. This was not about next gen Indian kids, born Western. This was not about Indian temporary immigrants overseas in the West.
This was about white people, westerners and white americans.
So where are they?
The congregation is totally brown.
RSSB teaches the guru is God In Human Form, Perfect Living Saint Perfect Saint/Param Sant, SatGuru/The One True Guru, Divine Messenger, The Master. Guru Sawan was called “The Great Master” specifically. RSSB teaches the guru knows best due to his divine knowledge and being one with God.
So how did the guru get it so wrong?
Anon
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Anon were you ever initiated?
Have you never seen Black, Asian or Hispanic initiates?
Have you never listened to a Satsang given by a Black, Asian or Hispanic initiate?
Are you not aware of all the women in management positions in RSSB?
The blinding grudge is strong with this one.
Sant Mat teaches that the soul has no sex or color and we are all equal in the realms of spirit, as brothers and sisters.
Spend some time there, and learn to let go your grudge.
What your see isn’t even a fraction of the truth.
Spence,
When are you going to do another rap for us! 😅
The previous one was ridiculous, the one you did about Brian and Anon! (I believe it was on open thread or one previous post)
MC Spence 😆
Tej
With all the ridiculous fiction here, there’s got to be some room for poetry.
She called it ridiculous
But that’s a little suspicious.
When the fake is so conspicuous
The balance is in another universe
✨😁✨
Love the rhymes and poetic style here, awesome 👍
Unfortunately my late dear friend is no longer around to have coffee and discuss this issue.
We loved to put incidents with regard to the path and ourselves on timeliness and used our imagination to see perspective … that was great fun and helped to make sense to many things hanging lose in the air.
He had no problem with the building and owning properties in india and elsewhere … now most of the time empty but in the future needed for purposes nobody was thinking of now.
The things Anon put on the table can also be put on a timeline and imagination used to see order.
You see the coming to the west of sant mat could have happened xx years earlier or later or not at all but it did.
It could have reached the west in different ways but it came to the west by memembers if small esoteric societies and developed later by the hippy movement.
In their homes the “seeds” could grow and develop out of sight in secrecy so to say.
Than money was needed to construct, buy, rent places for larger groups. …and lo and behold … all of an sudden large amounts of money flooded to these communities that had before ample money to buy some coffee for visitors.
The foundation HAD to be laid out by local people, people that spoke the language, knew the local laws and costumes.
Then people were needed to develop … and lo and behold …all of an sudden the Indian immigrants appeared out if the blue …mind you they had been there all the time without knowing anything.
The community of western people grew and grew until 1990 and the decline sat in as described here by Anon and others.
Now the decline of the offspring of Indian immigrants says in.
Now have coffee and use your imagination to find out what will be the next step on the time line.
Ps.
I forgot to mention the most important thing namely before 1930 esoteric knowledge was available only to very small elite societies, knowledge the masses had no idea of that it even existed … and …was kept away from them by religious and worldly authorities.
What has happened after 1930 might be compared with the inventing of the printing press, the vulgarisation of religious scriptures.
It is not about sant mat only … see what is happening in the world … great tectonic shifts are taking place….the production an invention shifts to India China etc the west will lose its economic and political power …remember what Marx wrote …about the possession of the means of production
Production is ruled by materialism … and where materialism is, there is no place for esoteric knowledge
Etcetera. I am tired….time for coffee
Wake up…
Have a look at nature the plant world the animal world …nature …culture …
Have a look at yourselves …you were born, you grew quickly, growing rate changed over time and stopped and the decline starts and one day it is over.
Great empires the world has seen, great religions … they were born, grew, declined and vanished.
Just have a look around you and see.
The three abrahamic religions will not remain forever, nor Buddhism or any other form of existing religion
Yet something will remain and be born again and again
This should be an interesting thread! Considering Ronald claiming he is the reincarnation of Sawan Singh! And that the reincarnation of Jamael Singh is Gurinder Singh, who initiated Sawan Singh in both, past lives and this life , told Ronald 20 years ago to grow his beard, because he was going to appoint him Master in America. If Ronald is not fabricating his false imagination, then I think most readers here who have been following Ronald’s Rants will agree that if Ronald is the former Sawan, reincarnated, than Sawan took the wrong turn at the Cross Roads, and instead of moving 4 lives forward, , he moved 4 lives backwards, as Ronald!
But Dr. Ishwar Puri was always insinuating that he was the Master of Sawan’s prophecy that Spirituality would move from the East to the West, which was now already the new Dera in Bruce, Wisconson, with Ishwar Puri as the Western Master, altho he was Indian, not American. In my opinion, Dr. Iswar Puri’s talks on Youtube, offer the clearest teaching of Sant Mat in the English language I have ever heard any where. But Ishwar had a weird way of initiating seekers. He claimed Sawan would tell him who to accept or reject for initiation, and those accepted would be initiated by Sawan, or by proxy by Ishwar FOR Sawan.
Now with all, of the above commentary, a very important name has rarely, if ever been discussed here, who claimed to have been “The Western Sat Guru”, and had several Web Sites that he had on the Internet. One of them, was one I was the Co-Founder of, of which I coined the Name of, which was “Light From Sound Oasis.” Any way, there is a lot of controversial history associated with all of his web sites, but his Name was MICHAEL MARTIN. He was a Charan Singh Initiate, and the biggest thorn in Professor David Lane’s side! I’ll let my comments rest here,….for now,….., unless other readers who knew Michael Martin’s history surfice to comment. But very clearly, the late Michael Martin had a wide presence on the Internet until he unexpectedly passed away .
Since the Brock era, Eastern thought has indeed had a huge influence on the West. For example, the mainstreaming of meditation, yoga, vegetarianism, and the principles behind Jungian psychology and Deep Ecology.
And so, people in the West did turn to the spirituality of the East, and did so in numbers unimaginable to the Brocks or other Americans in 1911.
Ishwar Puri Ji…🙏
https://youtu.be/umldEzqhnHc?si=XD-u89TEOm_UUpfh
This is Ishwar Puri’s own website: https://ishwarpurisantmat.com/ishwar-puri-ji. The homepage says this:
‘ “The axis of spirituality will shift from the East to the West and will ultimately localize itself in America in a big way” Hazur Maharaj Baba Sawan Singh Ji.
Mr Puri was a friend of Dr Julian P. Johnson who wrote ‘Path Of The Masters’ which was an important part of bringing The Great Master’s teaching to the West. Mr Puri gave his life away in India to move to the USA where he had ‘a ringside seat’ to watch the shift take place.’
Ishwar Puri also agrees with this shift of spirituality. There is no shift – only a relocation of Indians to the West who took RSSB with them. White westerners are not following RSSB.
@ Anon
What you write is just a momental registration.
Placed on a timeline you are describing the … here and now
But… there us also an tomorrow an future.
The seed of spirituality open to the public is sown …and … it will emerge sooner or later … in some form
You see Anon, leaving the orgsnisation without resentment, grudge or whatever offers the possibility to think freely without emotional involvement.
Here’s a variation of Guru Padmasambhava’s prophecy;
“When the iron bird flies in the sky and the horses run on wheels, Tibetan Buddhism will spread to the West.”
I can’t help notice the similarity to the Sant Mat prophecy written about in this post!
You know…Maharaj Charan Singh used to often say in His satsangs that saints or mystics may come in any time, in any age, in any country and religion, but, they have the same spiritual truth to share with us….He also mentioned that after the departure of those saints and mystics, people try to bind their teachings into some organization and people may forget the real teachings of the saints and may get involved in things like converting people and collecting funds…and later another saint comes somewhere else, and starts to share the teachings…
Thank you for this message
🙏
Yesterday there was an interview with a .. very down to earth .. national recluse.
He was asked what mystics was and how to recognize it.
He said … it is quite simple … it is the experience of the presence of God…without any intermediate…
He went on to say that it has nothing to do with religion, practice, nothing at all
He also elaborated on the concept that most have … a very retlstricted view based upon poetry, often very bad, and philosophy uintelligible to most.
Moreover many mystics have no idea that they are mystics, based on that common knowledge of mystisim … something the late mcs would tell the audience with regard to humility and meekness.
So yes … many a mystic will go unnoticed
Against the background of what this recluse had to say I believe to have met a couple of these natural born mystics ..without exception they were all kindhearted and compassionate
This is agree with! No need for religious/spiritual centers. Shah Inayat to Bulleh Shah: meeting Allah is as “transplanting a plant from here to there.”
AD
The whole purpose of the rssb cult was world domination – as depicted by sawan – he wants to rule the world with his master, jot niranjan. This is no different to a religion like islam – a very aggressive religion.
ALL the rssb fake ass gurus were in on it, using their own family lineage as a vehicle, to rule the world through the satanic cult of rssb. All in a slight of hand, manipulative , manner where blind people would appear to just do it on their own will and follow the pied piper. This is done in a very evil way , where individuals give up there loved ones for a fake ass, evil baba masquerading as god and a false promise of heaven in the afterlife and escape from suffering. This is an idea that is evil, rotten to the core and these so called gurus have no empathy for people and their suffering. Look at gurinder and how he has siphoned billions, murdered people, and has an affinity for like minded people. Gurinder you cannot hide and justice will be served I this lifetime- you cannot get away with your crimes against humanity.
I love these one-liners. “Fake ass evil baba masquerading as god” is another one which made me laugh.
“Pardoning the Bad, is injuring the Good.”
– Poor Richard’s Almanack, 1748
“It is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer.”
Ben Franklin
.”… And forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.”
Jesus Christ
If we were all innocent, where would be the necessity of mercy?
Mercy exists because we all have feet of clay. The innocent do not need it, but if they are truly innocent they give nothing but mercy. They carry an infinite wealth and suffer for nothing within. They are generous by nature, and thankful for the life they were given. Thankful for every moment of life. For that is a gift.
So do not withhold mercy from the guilty, for it has no other place. And you yourself are shown it every day.
” You may not be able to forget, but you can at least forgive, just as you wish to be forgiven”
Maharaj Charan Singh Ji
Pleading the fifth eh